We are not depressed. We are not autistic. We are not ugly crabs. We are individuals caught in a malfunctioning culture. The "mental illness" we are all suffering from is cultural malfunction. In the past, people who suffered from this disease died quickly and were thus hardly visible. Today, there are enough crumbs falling from the system to let us live for a while. Suddenly, we have become a crowd. What now?
>>186356 I disagree on every point except that society has contributed to the state we find ourselves in. It is not the sole reason, but it’s a factor.
Nah, speak for yourself dude. There is no we, you are just projecting how you personally feel on others. You don't represent me or how I feel on the matter.
>>186378 You don't know shit about me or anyone else. Your opinion is ignorant. Speak for yourself and not others and stop trying to act like wizards are some sort of collective.
I am all for taking a cynical stance towards psychiatry however your stance does not align with reality and is the expression of ignorance. Depression is real even when most diagnoses are for meme depression. Autism is real even though people can qualify through a checklist despite not being truly autistic.
If you think mental illness is not real you should be glad to even have such a grand misunderstanding because it is real and it can rule your life like a sadistic tyrant. >>186378 >I am not "representing" you. I am just expressing an opinion about how someone like you (and many others) can end up on Wizardchan Threadly reminder that this is not a crab website and you may have the impression that we are all here because we "cant get" a SO but the reality is anything but that.
>>186382 I am speaking for more than "Wizards". People suffering from cultural malfunction are many. They identify in all sorts of ways, or none at all.
>>186384 > …it can rule your life like a sadistic tyrant The sadistic tyrant is cultural malfunction. It is not a joke and it will thoroughly destroy you. But it is not "mental illness" as the psychiatrists define it. The official psychiatry discourse is nothing but a smokescreen used to hide the inconvenient fact that our culture is malfunctioning and that therefore all our concepts and words lack a basis.
>>186384 >As the other mage mentioned, who is "we"? I use "we" to denote all who suffer from cultural malfunction. Since our culture, Western Culture, is malfunctioning, EVERYONE is affected. Even normies suffer from cultural malfunction. But there is a threshold below which the suffering is mild enough to allow us to pretend that it does not exist. That is what normies do. However, above that threshold, we no longer can ignore the pain of cultural malfunction. That is when we start to call ourselves crabs, wizards, MGTOWs and whatnot. My "we", even if it applies in reality to everyone, is more focused on this category of the conscious sufferers of cultural malfunction.
>>186356 Maybe some here, but even in the best times there were 10% or so that never had families or normal lives. I know I’m just in the bottom 10% in terms of genetics, maybe in terms of early childhood environment but even that is ultimately genetic.
I don’t know anyone here but your description is completely wrong and inaccurate for me.I’m just a genetic mutant and genetic trash.If it wasn’t for modern medicine I would have died at age 7.My existence is unnatural and so are my genes and have nothing to do with culture.(maybe life in non religious country would have made me more happy)
>>186391 >The sadistic tyrant is cultural malfunction >But it is not "mental illness" Having delusions and hallucinations or extreme emotional reactions have nothing to do with culture you idiot.
>>186403 So that I can understand what you are talking about. Lots of things get called by lots of names which are vague and inconsistent. Unless you describe what happened, it is impossible to form a picture of what you are talking about.
Not really, wizards exist in every kind of society or culture. Also, culture is just a meme-word used by normalfags, let me tell you. Culture is what Chads of the past decided was important and they forced it down the throats of others. However, I disagree with the whole "wizardry is just genetics, bro" argument too. There are many normals who are worse off than we are (in terms of looks/genetics, behavior, intelligence, etc.) and yet they manage to blend into normalfag society without much issue. Even retarded people manage to reproduce and to live a "productive" life.
The thing is, I think we lack the will to be normal, so to say. Even the so called crabs deep down, unconsciously don't want to be normal. Or rather we are dreamers, misfits who don't want to fit in. Wizards are the destroyers, the rebels who are present in every society. We can't live in society, we can't or don't want to adapt, we don't give a shit, we just want to do what we like. We are romantics, irrational to the core, the last remnants of the feeling man in a world that is overly rational and revolves around the pleasure/pain axis. I think we unironically just want to be ourselves, even if it hurts us or others around us. The wizard is actually the most instinct-driven human being, normals don't have feelings, they do everything based on "will this get me a better position in the future"? Normals are way too concerned with survival even if it means conformism and submission, while we rebel even if it means we won't be popular, rich, or well-off in the end. The wizard is the personification of the ancient man, who was bound by no rules, no laws, the man who dared to live and not to just exist like normals do nowadays. We can't deny ourselves, even if it means we can't pass down our genes (who cares about that, heh, only stupid normals care about that who are too afraid of death).
>>186435 Excellent post. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that a bunch of NEETs jacking off to anime is “rebelling”, but the sentiment that people here don’t want to be normal and don’t/ can’t follow the rules and expectations of society is spot on. Being a normalfag sounds like hell, though if I was one I don’t think I’d have the self awareness to realize it.
>>186436 Thanks, wizbro. >I wouldn’t go so far as to say that a bunch of NEETs jacking off to anime is “rebelling” I think it is safe to say we are rebels since society expects us to behave differently and puts intense pressure on us in order to achieve this. We put up passive resistance, not active. It is rebellion in a taoistic or similar sense, we rebel by not doing anything worthy. Jesus Christ himself didn't do anything "cool" except for getting crucified by normals. Sometimes you fight back best with passivity, not with swords and fists. At least I think.
Yes, the self-awareness part is true! So true it hurts, normals are so deluded, it's not even funny. They think they are superior to us simply because they live more comfortably and for longer than us, they will rot and die either way, along with their wives, children, money, friends, fame, etc! And they spent all their lives working so hard to protect these things! I pity them, honestly. Instead of living honestly, doing what they truly wanted, and not giving a fuck about the opinion of others they spend their lives bullshitting and trying to please other normos they don't even like! Insanity.
>>186443 Yes, everything is a cope! The times we live in…Btw, would you be so kind to explain why you think the normalfag life is superior to being a wizard? I'm listening. Because to me it seems like the life offered by normalfag society isn't worth a crap.
>>186450 It's not really about superiority. Many wizards are too anxious to step outside their bedrooms, it's silly to call us rebels. We're people who don't fit in.
>>186450 >Btw, would you be so kind to explain why you think the normalfag life is superior to being a wizard? What!? I never said that.
I just said that, for normies, the pain from cultural malfunction is below the threshold that would turn them into non-normies like us. Eventually, I think, all normies will go over that threshold and society will explode. When societies go down the drain like ours is at the moment, everyone is moving in the same direction, just not at the same speed.
>>186452 >>186455 Rebels don't fit in either, that's the whole point. So okay, there may be people here who are just sick in some way or other, but otherwise who would be here? People who reject the standard/normal life offered-forced on us by society.
Many people call themselves rebels I give you that but does that mean rebels don't exist at all? A wizard is much more counter-culture than any other normalfag pretending to be rebelling against the values of society. Normals like to roleplay as rebels or as individuals, while they are just idiot npcs who don't have original thoughts at all.
>>186454 Normals won't ever be wizards. It is something you have to desire. Being an outsider isn't something most people could endure. Also, you could throw me into the most intellectual cultures or societies, that wouldn't change the fact that I hate people and doing whatever the trend is. Culture has always been a normalfag meme.
mixing shit up is exactly a sign of disfunctional culture. So what is the remedy, what is the actual rebellion? Do not participate in stupidity, think clearly >We are not depressed. We are not autistic. We are not ugly crabs.
depression is a syndrome, somatic state, that can be cause by numerous reasons.
autism is physical condition of the brain, can be caused by genetics or toxic shock (when brain blood barrier fails) etc
ugliness is relative term related to sexual attractiveness in reproductive game, i.e. socio-biological
Imo mental illness is not direct result of cultural malfunction but more like failure of adaptive mechanisms. Obviously in more healthy general culture more people experience relative well-being
There is an anecdote that there was Buddhist monk in nazi death camps, and when the study of PTSD among inmates was made, he was the one who didn't exhibit any simptoms of it. Don't know if its true or not, see for yourself
We are merely ahead of the curve. The elites want to lord over a mass of isolated, sexless, pod shut-ins. They want the population to decrease. We are right where they desire us to be, not counter-culture. We are the conformists to the nascent future, ruined (as expected) by this Internet
>>187418 O look guys, another one of these 'wizardry is the worst thing that could happen to anyone :(' failed normals. Is is really so hard for retards like you to find a meaning for your life that doesn't involve social things, like friendships or love? This 'the elites made us this' conspiracy is a /pol/ normalfag meme. There is nothing wrong with being a loner who hates others and sexuality. On the contrary, it is the higher form of existence, not the norm life.
>>187419 >find a meaning for your life >being a loner who hates others and sexuality is the higher form of existence >another one of these 'wizardry is the worst thing that could happen to anyone :(' failed normals
the irony and levels of delusion of your post. "Hating others and sexuality is the meaning of my life and not failed normalfag at all", for sure, my crab friend.
Is there a point to being vitriolic? I can't bring myself to be purposefully mean to other people anymore. Am I missing something? From my view there's just no benefit to engaging I usually feel ashamed of myself afterward when I rip into someone else
When someone treats me coldly or with sinister intent, I at best raise an eyebrow and stay silent Some would call you cowardly, but do you really win anything by "standing your ground" and "really sticking it to them"? It just fills me with a deep sense of shame from stooping so low.
Some believe you have to "stand your ground" through your words. I can see that. Assertive language works, doesn't it? i.e. just repeating yourself and not using filler words. You can use assertive language without being petty, can't you?
Some believe you have to "stand up for yourself", holding your principles close to your actions. Do you accomplish that through words laced with anger and venom? If "standing up for yourself" means holding close to who you are, wouldn't using anger and venom just show you're a petty person who loses their cool? Wouldn't the principle of staying cool-headed be better? It shows you're in control, which is a lot more difficult yet rewarding. That would be a better "standing up for yourself", who you are, wouldn't it?
You could also incorporate the proverb, acta non verba by disengaging and going about your day
Help me out wizzies, I want to know when to be mean again
>>186356 Of course there is cultural malfunction to some extent, but this only affects those who wish to take part in said culture. Not trying to be "le edgy outsider" but it is what it is.
>>187442 Actually this rational approach should be taken in every kind of situation, but keep in mind that we humans are, still, pretty much like animals, if you stand your groind then you will make yourself less of a target in the eyes of your adversaries
>>187512 >we humans are, still, pretty much like animals Bullshit and lies. Humans are the most intelligent animal there is. Don't project yourself onto others because you are closer to animalistic urges than others, some of us employ rationality without having to be reminded.
>>187442 If you're being thrown mean words at you, the best thing to do in most situations if not all, is to not respond, don't give them that sign you're really paying attention to them. Let them get the last word. They'll probably forget about you in minutes and you should too. It's like dogs barking at each other with a fence between them; when the fence opens, they stop barking, the fence in this case is the internet. I believe most people would be a little more civilized if met face to face irl. But if it's constructive criticism, maybe you should consider it and apply it to your life, not right away, but gradually. The afterglow of recieving insults is short-lived, at least for me it is. As a 'low-engergy' person (aka lazy), I don't find it worth engaging at all, so maybe it's different for you. You need a lot of drive in life to engage with others.
I don’t know about the others but I’m just a low intelligent, weak loser with absolute no quality, just a genetic mistake really.Everything else is irrelevent and deception of truth
>>186356 >We are not ugly crabs. What the fuck is the point on trying to distance yourself from in.cels by using tnis gay as fuck term as an insult as if normalfags are ever going to differentiate between an in.cel and a wizard? They will never view you as anything different, as long as you are a virgin you are a crab in their eyes. If you ever express an opinion contradictory to establishment politic such as questioning Jew-power then you will be labeled as an in.cel no matter how hard you try to cuck yourselves to roastwads and normalfags. >not ugly If you're posting on here then you are most certainly a PSL sub-five subhuman. Being ugly socially stratifies you as an in.cel wether you want to have sex or not, even if you are a Cluster-A personality type you are still lumped in with in.cels so stop fucking using this effeminate faggot ass term as if it changes anything.
>>186397 not the dude, but to call someone mentally ill or disordered is to deign to say that you know what is proper. naturally, those who are improper are heretics
I dont think we would've died, but we would've ended up in similar states depending on the society. Not to sound some keyboard warrior king, but young men with dissident tendencies have a lot of power to change things when given the opportunity, more power than most of them are actively aware of. This is why sickly western societies do just about all they can to keep this demographic weak, disempowered, and distracted. It's geared towards the people as a whole too ofc but obviously this group is more dangerous to those in power when pissed off.
What most need to exposed to is the cold hard truth. Things aren't getting any better and no one cares atm.