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Well, I'm a NEET, again… I'm 28 years old with little employment history, what's stored for me, wizbros?
>>195495
True, being in the army, or armed forces in general, are for cucks, no country is worth dying for.
True, being in the army, or armed forces in general, are for cucks, no country is worth dying for.
>>195498
why do you think rule four is a thing, it may not be "related" but it does point to a certain type of personality being more prevalent… at least it should be
why do you think rule four is a thing, it may not be "related" but it does point to a certain type of personality being more prevalent… at least it should be
>>195501
in western countries, i doubt it. and the number is probably skewed by the number of stay-at-home mothers
in western countries, i doubt it. and the number is probably skewed by the number of stay-at-home mothers
>>195503
Nah, even taking them into account the NEETdom rate for foids is like 1.5-2x the rate for men. And the foids that do work often only do 12-16 hours a week for some reason.
Nah, even taking them into account the NEETdom rate for foids is like 1.5-2x the rate for men. And the foids that do work often only do 12-16 hours a week for some reason.
>>195508
Even unmarried childless succubi can get freebies from boyfriends and family, and with shit like onlyfans they can have a solid income without doing any labor.
Even unmarried childless succubi can get freebies from boyfriends and family, and with shit like onlyfans they can have a solid income without doing any labor.
>>195509
>shit like onlyfans they can have a solid income without doing any labor
Only the rare 1% of succubi are able to make a living off onlyfans
>shit like onlyfans they can have a solid income without doing any labor
Only the rare 1% of succubi are able to make a living off onlyfans
>>195511
That's conjecture, I'd like to see what the average monthly take is per account on onlyfans.
That's conjecture, I'd like to see what the average monthly take is per account on onlyfans.
>>195508
>the foids that do work often only do 12-16 hours a week for some reason.
That's because unlike men they can actually leech off their parents without any problems. A succubus can live with her parents doing literally nothing but occasionally helping with housework and it'll be viewed as "hecking wholesome" and nobody will give a shit, men don't have that sort of privilige. They can also leech off their boyfriends too. My older brother earns more than 95% of the people in our country and he has to work every single day until 4 am when he has a gf, and even ask me to loan him money too. On the other hand, when he isn't burdened with a gf he can just work 3 days a week and earn enough to pay me back speedily too.
>the foids that do work often only do 12-16 hours a week for some reason.
That's because unlike men they can actually leech off their parents without any problems. A succubus can live with her parents doing literally nothing but occasionally helping with housework and it'll be viewed as "hecking wholesome" and nobody will give a shit, men don't have that sort of privilige. They can also leech off their boyfriends too. My older brother earns more than 95% of the people in our country and he has to work every single day until 4 am when he has a gf, and even ask me to loan him money too. On the other hand, when he isn't burdened with a gf he can just work 3 days a week and earn enough to pay me back speedily too.
>>195509
They're usually selling art on Etsy or running a small coffee van. But it's pretty much hobby work.
>>195522
I find it funny how even barely functional autistic men will be shamed by succubi and society into holding a job. Even when I was at my lowest I had people screaming at me to "go to work". I now consider male welfare leeches to be based honestly, I certainly consider it cucked stacking timber for minimum wage.
Even at vocational college where I am, guys will casually go on about loving being on the benefit and the perma-student, 30+ foids will turn their nose up at them and say "that mentality is disgusting". As if they don't follow it themselves. The worst are the single mother ones because they delude themselves into thinking their glorified NEETdom is hard and endlessly bloviate about the struggles of being a single mother.
They're usually selling art on Etsy or running a small coffee van. But it's pretty much hobby work.
>>195522
I find it funny how even barely functional autistic men will be shamed by succubi and society into holding a job. Even when I was at my lowest I had people screaming at me to "go to work". I now consider male welfare leeches to be based honestly, I certainly consider it cucked stacking timber for minimum wage.
Even at vocational college where I am, guys will casually go on about loving being on the benefit and the perma-student, 30+ foids will turn their nose up at them and say "that mentality is disgusting". As if they don't follow it themselves. The worst are the single mother ones because they delude themselves into thinking their glorified NEETdom is hard and endlessly bloviate about the struggles of being a single mother.
I've been NEET 11 years. My advice? Don't feel bad about enjoying hobbies. There's a good chance you will not be able to enjoy anything after enough time.
>>195577
My advice is enjoy your hobbies while your NEETdom lasts, wageslaving WILL kill your soul and any energy to do things in your free time, and im not exaggerating
My advice is enjoy your hobbies while your NEETdom lasts, wageslaving WILL kill your soul and any energy to do things in your free time, and im not exaggerating
>>195610
29 here and got my very first jobby-job (slang for shit min wage job). At least I am sat on my ass most of the day, but the point about having no time to better yourself is the worst part. I can't do anything. I can't get lost down a rabbithole or make video or music projects anymore. By the time I switch my pc on I'm toasted and winding down for bed.
29 here and got my very first jobby-job (slang for shit min wage job). At least I am sat on my ass most of the day, but the point about having no time to better yourself is the worst part. I can't do anything. I can't get lost down a rabbithole or make video or music projects anymore. By the time I switch my pc on I'm toasted and winding down for bed.
>>195523
Evolution didn't make succubi for working. They're supposed to have few rights and basically just make children for normalfags and take care of them while they're young, and do some light domestic work.
I think the succubi understand this subconsciously, and this is why they look down on "lazy" males. They understand that men are supposed to do all the real work they themselves are largely incapable of doing. But they don't want to acknowledge the other side of the equation, that they're basically supposed to be property of the normalfags, and not independent. The religion of gender equality and rights of succubi have caused this situation.
Evolution didn't make succubi for working. They're supposed to have few rights and basically just make children for normalfags and take care of them while they're young, and do some light domestic work.
I think the succubi understand this subconsciously, and this is why they look down on "lazy" males. They understand that men are supposed to do all the real work they themselves are largely incapable of doing. But they don't want to acknowledge the other side of the equation, that they're basically supposed to be property of the normalfags, and not independent. The religion of gender equality and rights of succubi have caused this situation.
>>195577
Good advice yeah. Just enjoy what you enjoy and make sure to try new things periodically to stave off burnout and anhedonia.
Good advice yeah. Just enjoy what you enjoy and make sure to try new things periodically to stave off burnout and anhedonia.
>>195499
no they don't love working… they love social status and being equal with other normies. also.. they love moeny to buy things to fill the void inside them…
no they don't love working… they love social status and being equal with other normies. also.. they love moeny to buy things to fill the void inside them…
I get benefits from the united states' government. 800USD. I worked for a few years. I been doing alcohol and imageboards, basically been binge watching COPS. I hate games now in my old age and I want to get back into education and MMOs… but I feel that I'm out of hand with booze and am nearly retarded with intoxication due to bad surgery and stuff. Meds are also very needed and impairment causing. I hate that I'm a NEET psych patient that never really gets better and I do everything I can to stay away from what usually happens to NEETs like ne. I want to succeed but I hurt so much with booze and everything that I give up.
I'm in a funny situation, it just so happens that i have an on-and-off relationship with waging: First job in 2019 as an intern in a bank, got fired 90 days later for not being sociable enough (not joking) but at least i got paid proportionally, then NEETed through 2020, got a call-center customer support job in 2021 (the company was just starting operations and really desperate), this time i quit by choice after five months because six days a week, six hours a day plus three hour total commute was killing me mentally and physically and i was getting sick of retarded clients and management.
Also dropped out of college during 2021 because wagecage and gradecage simultaneously would have sucked my soul dry and due to worsening financial conditions.
Let's see if i will be posting here again next year.
Also dropped out of college during 2021 because wagecage and gradecage simultaneously would have sucked my soul dry and due to worsening financial conditions.
Let's see if i will be posting here again next year.
I have been a NEET for the last 6 years. I will never work or study or do anything but browse chans 24/7 and play with toys. I can feel my mental state going to shit but I don't care. There's no alternative for me. I was born to be a NEET.
>>195591
This is often but not always true. You can find as many people who say they're happy and successful because they do what they love as those who say they hate everything and ruined what they loved by using it as the burden of a revenue source. I might draw an analogy to how some people are happy drunks and other people are sad drunk, and maybe that gets somewhat closer to the original question.
>>195493
But to address your question, it comes down to your connections in life, even if not a NEET. If you have little employment history, then connections are most likely the problem, but that doesn't mean you can't start over or make new ones. When you're 28 then 28 seems like you life is all gone and a waste, but in fact half the world would kill to be 28 again except for the people who are happy that they got somewhere close enough to making it through this hell maze. And so you are in for taking some time off, thinking about it, thinking about your connections and where you might go from here, and relying on your connections if you're destitute. I'm currently homeless. I've forced homeless people to sleep on my couch before and get back on track. If I can do it then so can you, but the vital question is what you really want in life, because that's where you're going to derive your indefatigable power from. And if it's being a wizard, then take it from there and if anybody looks down on you then try to help then instead because you don't need their help.
This is often but not always true. You can find as many people who say they're happy and successful because they do what they love as those who say they hate everything and ruined what they loved by using it as the burden of a revenue source. I might draw an analogy to how some people are happy drunks and other people are sad drunk, and maybe that gets somewhat closer to the original question.
>>195493
But to address your question, it comes down to your connections in life, even if not a NEET. If you have little employment history, then connections are most likely the problem, but that doesn't mean you can't start over or make new ones. When you're 28 then 28 seems like you life is all gone and a waste, but in fact half the world would kill to be 28 again except for the people who are happy that they got somewhere close enough to making it through this hell maze. And so you are in for taking some time off, thinking about it, thinking about your connections and where you might go from here, and relying on your connections if you're destitute. I'm currently homeless. I've forced homeless people to sleep on my couch before and get back on track. If I can do it then so can you, but the vital question is what you really want in life, because that's where you're going to derive your indefatigable power from. And if it's being a wizard, then take it from there and if anybody looks down on you then try to help then instead because you don't need their help.
>>195493
So mostly you're going to experience fear of the unknown and various other forms of discomfort, which typically play a big role in why most people decide they'd rather participate in society. If you're in the northern hemisphere, you better get ready to think about what kind of clothes your're going to need and how to bundle up and keep warm at night, because you're going to find out that being cold and wet is a real fucking mess and you really didn't need another problem just just came out of the sky for no reason.
Instead, you should be planning ahead, which is the thing that tends to divide successful people from the people who are not successful. That is true regardless of whether or not you have a cage for your wage. The truth is that most homeless people don't want homes, if you take the time to find out where they lurk and be a friend to talk to. They can also help give you good advice, if you think about it like being the new guy in your new prison of NEETdom. Plan ahead. Take advantage of your situation before it evaporates. Even skyking didn't "put it down" until the fuel got real low and he forced himself back in to an endgame that he wasn't supposed to lose. But did he win? You'll also need forms of entertainment to keep yourself thinking and innovating because a lot of people don't understand that boredom often drives people insane.
So mostly you're going to experience fear of the unknown and various other forms of discomfort, which typically play a big role in why most people decide they'd rather participate in society. If you're in the northern hemisphere, you better get ready to think about what kind of clothes your're going to need and how to bundle up and keep warm at night, because you're going to find out that being cold and wet is a real fucking mess and you really didn't need another problem just just came out of the sky for no reason.
Instead, you should be planning ahead, which is the thing that tends to divide successful people from the people who are not successful. That is true regardless of whether or not you have a cage for your wage. The truth is that most homeless people don't want homes, if you take the time to find out where they lurk and be a friend to talk to. They can also help give you good advice, if you think about it like being the new guy in your new prison of NEETdom. Plan ahead. Take advantage of your situation before it evaporates. Even skyking didn't "put it down" until the fuel got real low and he forced himself back in to an endgame that he wasn't supposed to lose. But did he win? You'll also need forms of entertainment to keep yourself thinking and innovating because a lot of people don't understand that boredom often drives people insane.
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Anyone else hate the schooling system for wasting so much of your prime quality time? I wish I dropped out at like 11 or so since that's when I peaked and was the most motivated and smart at. Could've browsed the comfy early webzones at home and self taught myself through self found interest, watch a ton of anime and play lots of vidya in my teens then be burned out and ready for the real world by like 20.
>>196790
Yes
http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/ddd/deliberate-dumbing-down/
It's why I undertook to learn about psychological warfare because it seemed like everything was bullshit, and I was never very good at bullshiting and didn't understand why people would wrap their lives around it. The book linked above is probably too long and detailed to expect you to read through, but its the one that tied it all together for me about how schools are the way they are for a reason and prisons and gulags aren't just an accident but rather a different version of the same thing.
Yes
http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/ddd/deliberate-dumbing-down/
It's why I undertook to learn about psychological warfare because it seemed like everything was bullshit, and I was never very good at bullshiting and didn't understand why people would wrap their lives around it. The book linked above is probably too long and detailed to expect you to read through, but its the one that tied it all together for me about how schools are the way they are for a reason and prisons and gulags aren't just an accident but rather a different version of the same thing.
>>196793
Popeyes. It's not great, but kfc has become such trash that I'd rather get a grocery store chicken and fry it myself instead of drinking about five gallons of grease just to find where the chicken is. In my part of the country, the "nashville hot" concept has kind of gone over the cliff already, but it might be a good place to start if you want to catch the running end of it.
Popeyes. It's not great, but kfc has become such trash that I'd rather get a grocery store chicken and fry it myself instead of drinking about five gallons of grease just to find where the chicken is. In my part of the country, the "nashville hot" concept has kind of gone over the cliff already, but it might be a good place to start if you want to catch the running end of it.
>>196719
Sounds like me except for the alcohol problem, I'm just naturally retarded even while sober. I collect roughly the same amount of autismbux too, maybe a bit more.
Sounds like me except for the alcohol problem, I'm just naturally retarded even while sober. I collect roughly the same amount of autismbux too, maybe a bit more.
who here wears patched up clothes like a peasant? might have to learn how to use a thread and needle because my clothes have holes in them :/
>>195523
there are succubi that work loner jobs, once saw one come out of a mini van at 2-3 in the morning to deliver newspaper, didn't even say a word or interact with anyone and drove off.
>>195523
there are succubi that work loner jobs, once saw one come out of a mini van at 2-3 in the morning to deliver newspaper, didn't even say a word or interact with anyone and drove off.
Getting out of the NEEThole is impossible. There's a point where your mind is totally fucked up beyond all recognition.
T. NEET for 12 years
T. NEET for 12 years
>>197824
It's been almost 10 years since my last job. Time flies, I remember the honeymoon phase of my NEETdom fondly. The first few years were great, basically played vidya, fapped to 2D porn and slept all day. After a while, it becomes a living hell that you can't escape from. I have no skills, and I threw away my entire 20s, causing irreparable damage to my future.
It's nice to know I'm not really the only one going through this, but the feeling of that realization subsides rather quickly. I think severe depression and autism were the culprits in my case, along with really bad social and/or generalized anxiety which keeps me in the house far more often than not.
It's been almost 10 years since my last job. Time flies, I remember the honeymoon phase of my NEETdom fondly. The first few years were great, basically played vidya, fapped to 2D porn and slept all day. After a while, it becomes a living hell that you can't escape from. I have no skills, and I threw away my entire 20s, causing irreparable damage to my future.
It's nice to know I'm not really the only one going through this, but the feeling of that realization subsides rather quickly. I think severe depression and autism were the culprits in my case, along with really bad social and/or generalized anxiety which keeps me in the house far more often than not.
>>195946
>The religion of gender equality and rights of succubi have caused this situation.
Which is the inevitable conclusion of liberal democracy which most of you dumbfucks support.
>The religion of gender equality and rights of succubi have caused this situation.
Which is the inevitable conclusion of liberal democracy which most of you dumbfucks support.
>>196794
>>196790
I hated school too, which is why I was trying to skip as much of it as I could in my country. Never studying, never wasting my time with that crap. I hate the fact that they take the best years of our life just so that they can train us to be obedient slaves. It's all because of greed.
>>196790
I hated school too, which is why I was trying to skip as much of it as I could in my country. Never studying, never wasting my time with that crap. I hate the fact that they take the best years of our life just so that they can train us to be obedient slaves. It's all because of greed.
>>195522
This is why I hate society. They just tell you that you have to do stupid crap just because you have a dick between your legs. It's insane. Why shouldn't I want to destroy the entire planet?
This is why I hate society. They just tell you that you have to do stupid crap just because you have a dick between your legs. It's insane. Why shouldn't I want to destroy the entire planet?
>>197824
I've been thinking of this too. NEETdom has shaped my mind that I don't ever see myself in a 9-5 job.
I've been thinking of this too. NEETdom has shaped my mind that I don't ever see myself in a 9-5 job.
>>196790
Yes. I literally never took advantage of my diploma. I should have dropped out asap. I neber went to the ceremony of course. Now waiting on bux
Yes. I literally never took advantage of my diploma. I should have dropped out asap. I neber went to the ceremony of course. Now waiting on bux
>>197936
You are right for wanting to skip assuming you have a similar schooling background, at least. School as a modern American (post 1910-ish) invention purposely, for economic and social reasons, conflates learning and daycare, causing many people to not even understand what the process of learning even is. After being taught to learn, there is no real reason to force children from 7-17 stay supervised, and its a big reason why people feel less inspiried and inventive, they've just spent almost 2 decades seeing what the Peter Principle means in practice for the generally unskilled.
>>198258
Moron, both you and the video producer, some of the most advanced and scaled out schooling systems in the world are still inherently Prussian. It's easy to talk, but what do anti-Prussianists have to show?
You are right for wanting to skip assuming you have a similar schooling background, at least. School as a modern American (post 1910-ish) invention purposely, for economic and social reasons, conflates learning and daycare, causing many people to not even understand what the process of learning even is. After being taught to learn, there is no real reason to force children from 7-17 stay supervised, and its a big reason why people feel less inspiried and inventive, they've just spent almost 2 decades seeing what the Peter Principle means in practice for the generally unskilled.
>>198258
Moron, both you and the video producer, some of the most advanced and scaled out schooling systems in the world are still inherently Prussian. It's easy to talk, but what do anti-Prussianists have to show?
>>198344
https://www.humanrestorationproject.org/research
This organization seems to be hard at work answering your question. Look hard enough and the more you'll find. This institution is fatally flawed and both sides of the political spectrum are slowly starting to come to the conclusion. Read John Taylor Gatto's Dumbing Us Down, the very things you're talking about replying to that other guy is what i'm getting at. Gatto is more right wing by the way.
https://www.humanrestorationproject.org/research
This organization seems to be hard at work answering your question. Look hard enough and the more you'll find. This institution is fatally flawed and both sides of the political spectrum are slowly starting to come to the conclusion. Read John Taylor Gatto's Dumbing Us Down, the very things you're talking about replying to that other guy is what i'm getting at. Gatto is more right wing by the way.
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>>195493
big but relevant quote
“The economic sphere of a society in decline undergoes a parallel fragmentation for different reasons. In ages of economic expansion, the labor of the working classes yields enough profit to cover the costs of a more or less complex superstructure, whether that superstructure consists of the pharaohs and priesthoods of ancient Egypt or the bureaucrats and investment bankers of late industrial America. As expansion gives way to contraction, the production of goods and services no longer yields the profit it once did, but the members of the political class, whose power and wealth depend on the superstructure, are predictably unwilling to lose their privileged status, and they have the power to keep themselves fed at everyone else’s expense. The reliable result is a squeeze on productive economic activity that drives a declining civilization into one convulsive financial crisis after another and ends by shredding its capacity to produce even the most necessary goods and services.
In response, people begin dropping out of the economic mainstream altogether, because scrabbling for subsistence on the economic fringes is less futile than trying to get by in a system increasingly rigged against them” - John Michael Greer, Dark Age America
big but relevant quote
“The economic sphere of a society in decline undergoes a parallel fragmentation for different reasons. In ages of economic expansion, the labor of the working classes yields enough profit to cover the costs of a more or less complex superstructure, whether that superstructure consists of the pharaohs and priesthoods of ancient Egypt or the bureaucrats and investment bankers of late industrial America. As expansion gives way to contraction, the production of goods and services no longer yields the profit it once did, but the members of the political class, whose power and wealth depend on the superstructure, are predictably unwilling to lose their privileged status, and they have the power to keep themselves fed at everyone else’s expense. The reliable result is a squeeze on productive economic activity that drives a declining civilization into one convulsive financial crisis after another and ends by shredding its capacity to produce even the most necessary goods and services.
In response, people begin dropping out of the economic mainstream altogether, because scrabbling for subsistence on the economic fringes is less futile than trying to get by in a system increasingly rigged against them” - John Michael Greer, Dark Age America
>>198415
This page seems retarded, I tried to read a getting started for gradelessness, and it would be useless. I guess, it's for teachers, specifically. It seems like that website is trying to hide a minimal amount of substance behind it's weird matrix grid search engine. The Prussian model works, it's just that we have to much mandatory schooling, and after learning to read most kids don't need school, more than parent's needing daycare. I think any percieved gains from changing the schooling system will after a short number of cohorts, return to the previous effectiveness. If anything, it could be fixed effectively just by more explicitly delineating the supervisiory and the pedagagical aspects of education even using pre-existing school infrastructure.
This page seems retarded, I tried to read a getting started for gradelessness, and it would be useless. I guess, it's for teachers, specifically. It seems like that website is trying to hide a minimal amount of substance behind it's weird matrix grid search engine. The Prussian model works, it's just that we have to much mandatory schooling, and after learning to read most kids don't need school, more than parent's needing daycare. I think any percieved gains from changing the schooling system will after a short number of cohorts, return to the previous effectiveness. If anything, it could be fixed effectively just by more explicitly delineating the supervisiory and the pedagagical aspects of education even using pre-existing school infrastructure.
>>198418
Some of the things this page mentions that I think are good though, are project-based learning. It can turn a unkind learning environment into a kind learning environment, isn't that why we even want teachers to be skilled in the first place.
Some of the things this page mentions that I think are good though, are project-based learning. It can turn a unkind learning environment into a kind learning environment, isn't that why we even want teachers to be skilled in the first place.
>>198418
>The Prussian model works, it's just that we have to much mandatory schooling, and after learning to read most kids don't need school, more than parent's needing daycare.
That's a contradiction. The prussian model is built on military like discipline and forcing students to learn useless things. That's the essence of the prussian style. Blind obedience, no free thinking or creativity allowed and forcing the students to memorize hundreds of pages of stupid stuff.
>The Prussian model works, it's just that we have to much mandatory schooling, and after learning to read most kids don't need school, more than parent's needing daycare.
That's a contradiction. The prussian model is built on military like discipline and forcing students to learn useless things. That's the essence of the prussian style. Blind obedience, no free thinking or creativity allowed and forcing the students to memorize hundreds of pages of stupid stuff.
>>198415
>building social justice
https://www.amazon.ca/Case-against-Education-System-Waste/dp/0691174652
Caplan (edgy liberatarian economist) has a few chapters on high school. Very little of the education system is really necessary. I think most university degrees could be learned in 3 years
>building social justice
https://www.amazon.ca/Case-against-Education-System-Waste/dp/0691174652
Caplan (edgy liberatarian economist) has a few chapters on high school. Very little of the education system is really necessary. I think most university degrees could be learned in 3 years
>>198420
Yeah, and Prussian education works fine. The problem is a conflation of necessary values. Kids don't need school, their parents need a daycare. There isn't enough content in a school to jutisfy it being only a school. You could have militaristic dynamics without making kids do pointless busy work, unless they actually want to learn. A big problem with the conflation is the few individual children who disturb classrooms. They should simply be moved to the other side of the campus where stricter disciplinarian tactics are used – both encouraging those earnestly wishing to learn, and discouraging those wishing to cause issues in the class.
Yeah, and Prussian education works fine. The problem is a conflation of necessary values. Kids don't need school, their parents need a daycare. There isn't enough content in a school to jutisfy it being only a school. You could have militaristic dynamics without making kids do pointless busy work, unless they actually want to learn. A big problem with the conflation is the few individual children who disturb classrooms. They should simply be moved to the other side of the campus where stricter disciplinarian tactics are used – both encouraging those earnestly wishing to learn, and discouraging those wishing to cause issues in the class.
>>198418
So less is more of this Prussian system huh? Do you like it or not? You're somewhat there I'll give you that. If anything the school should be more like a daycare when it comes to giving students freedom in education and thereby allowing the love of learning that it should be all about to take root. A root in which an actual identity can develop in the majority besides being an NPC drone that does, says and thinks exactly what the government and media expects of them. Education is not the exercise of a muscle but teaching people to learn right?
A good school should be built as closely as possible on the idea that you should trust your kid's innate desire to learn, John Holt's idea by the way. This means on principle to be opposed to the byzantine Prussian model of forcing split apart by subject mediocre trash down the throats of kids whether they like it or not that is mostly forgotten anyways. Pair this with needlessly strict rules and schedules down to the hour or more of every day. Then you grade them to the digit on all these absurd activities which the tortured schooled child naturally derives and becomes dependent on their self worth for; a self worth based on how well the child follows orders. And don't forget to segregate them by age down to the year as well to make it an even more miserable and dull experience. Do you expect the schooled child to come out loving learning or have a innate hatred of it because the well has been poisoned so throughly? The answer should be obvious. This is all intentional and the true purpose of the Prussian model. Saying there should simply be less is not solving the problem but only making the abuse less intense, better but not enough.
It's ultimately about rewarding obedience and punishing disobedience, not education in any sense of the word unless you misunderstand what the word truly means. Most people don't understand now but I suspect that to change as things go more and more downhill from here. It's only useful if your aspirations in life are just to become a factory worker mindlessly following repetitive orders for cash, even still that is questionable. And anybody who dares to resist this is a blasphemous edgy teenager to what has essentially become our society's church.
If this problem is to be solved the school must be completely reinvented, which is what that site I posted and many other groups are trying to do right now. Just because I can't tell you exactly what the perfect school would be doesn't mean I can't acknowledge that there is a serious issue at hand.
By saying you think kids should be taught to learn you oppose this model of forcefully instilling obedience. Pick a side.
So less is more of this Prussian system huh? Do you like it or not? You're somewhat there I'll give you that. If anything the school should be more like a daycare when it comes to giving students freedom in education and thereby allowing the love of learning that it should be all about to take root. A root in which an actual identity can develop in the majority besides being an NPC drone that does, says and thinks exactly what the government and media expects of them. Education is not the exercise of a muscle but teaching people to learn right?
A good school should be built as closely as possible on the idea that you should trust your kid's innate desire to learn, John Holt's idea by the way. This means on principle to be opposed to the byzantine Prussian model of forcing split apart by subject mediocre trash down the throats of kids whether they like it or not that is mostly forgotten anyways. Pair this with needlessly strict rules and schedules down to the hour or more of every day. Then you grade them to the digit on all these absurd activities which the tortured schooled child naturally derives and becomes dependent on their self worth for; a self worth based on how well the child follows orders. And don't forget to segregate them by age down to the year as well to make it an even more miserable and dull experience. Do you expect the schooled child to come out loving learning or have a innate hatred of it because the well has been poisoned so throughly? The answer should be obvious. This is all intentional and the true purpose of the Prussian model. Saying there should simply be less is not solving the problem but only making the abuse less intense, better but not enough.
It's ultimately about rewarding obedience and punishing disobedience, not education in any sense of the word unless you misunderstand what the word truly means. Most people don't understand now but I suspect that to change as things go more and more downhill from here. It's only useful if your aspirations in life are just to become a factory worker mindlessly following repetitive orders for cash, even still that is questionable. And anybody who dares to resist this is a blasphemous edgy teenager to what has essentially become our society's church.
If this problem is to be solved the school must be completely reinvented, which is what that site I posted and many other groups are trying to do right now. Just because I can't tell you exactly what the perfect school would be doesn't mean I can't acknowledge that there is a serious issue at hand.
By saying you think kids should be taught to learn you oppose this model of forcefully instilling obedience. Pick a side.
>>198427
>>198427
Sorry, but is there a for-scale education system that allows so much individualist freedom? Sounds like a nice, theoritical dream. We have a lot of poor, uneducated people and need a cheap, able-to-scale education system. I think a big problem with education is the conflation of values, the promotion of busy work, and an ineffective way of testing skills. Not whether kids pick and choose what they want, why should they?
>Do you expect the schooled child to come out loving learning or have a innate hatred of it because the well has been poisoned so throughly
Do skilled adults feel poisoned when they use their skills? Seems misguided. Children love to grow, love to learn, and a little bit of authority can't be the sole reason it gets misappropriated.
They even don't have to be forced to work in a prussian school, they just need to be accounted for. Either in class or daycare, daycare providers should theoretically even be cheaper to provide than teachers, without lowering the quality in the pool of teachers.
A radical view of things tends to stem from disgruntled ignorance, and a bit of arrogance – if the non-Prussian school is so effective, where are it's alumni that are so much more diligent, effective, and intelligent?
>>198427
Sorry, but is there a for-scale education system that allows so much individualist freedom? Sounds like a nice, theoritical dream. We have a lot of poor, uneducated people and need a cheap, able-to-scale education system. I think a big problem with education is the conflation of values, the promotion of busy work, and an ineffective way of testing skills. Not whether kids pick and choose what they want, why should they?
>Do you expect the schooled child to come out loving learning or have a innate hatred of it because the well has been poisoned so throughly
Do skilled adults feel poisoned when they use their skills? Seems misguided. Children love to grow, love to learn, and a little bit of authority can't be the sole reason it gets misappropriated.
They even don't have to be forced to work in a prussian school, they just need to be accounted for. Either in class or daycare, daycare providers should theoretically even be cheaper to provide than teachers, without lowering the quality in the pool of teachers.
A radical view of things tends to stem from disgruntled ignorance, and a bit of arrogance – if the non-Prussian school is so effective, where are it's alumni that are so much more diligent, effective, and intelligent?
>>198428
Here's a good article by John Michael Greer, a guy that might sound familiar from an earlier post -
https://www.ecosophia.net/writing-as-microcosm-2-a-door-will-open/
A solution will come. I'm not as radical as you think.
Here's a good article by John Michael Greer, a guy that might sound familiar from an earlier post -
https://www.ecosophia.net/writing-as-microcosm-2-a-door-will-open/
A solution will come. I'm not as radical as you think.
>>198430
I mean radical in a positive, literal at-the-root-reform sense.
Good luck, if it makes humanity better educators its a laudable and noble goal.
I mean radical in a positive, literal at-the-root-reform sense.
Good luck, if it makes humanity better educators its a laudable and noble goal.
>>198430
I skimmed it and all I could see as a real proposal is doing one-room schoolhouse education. Turn of the century children did not learn as much as current ones, so I don't see the comparison being relevant.
If the current HS curriculum simply focused on teaching reading, writing, math to acceptable levels and released the children after that with postsecondary teaching the rest schooling could be over much sooner. Instead it tries to teach specialized math/science to a general audience that is neither interested nor needs it. You can't do intensive education with a mixed IQ audience, so why are we trying it?
I skimmed it and all I could see as a real proposal is doing one-room schoolhouse education. Turn of the century children did not learn as much as current ones, so I don't see the comparison being relevant.
If the current HS curriculum simply focused on teaching reading, writing, math to acceptable levels and released the children after that with postsecondary teaching the rest schooling could be over much sooner. Instead it tries to teach specialized math/science to a general audience that is neither interested nor needs it. You can't do intensive education with a mixed IQ audience, so why are we trying it?
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>>198415
I like Gatto, too, anon.
>>198418
>most kids don't need school, more than parent's needing daycare
>>198426
>Kids don't need school, their parents need a daycare.
Dingdingding, picrel. Why is this admission so fucking hard for people when it's COMPLETELY OBVIOUS that this is what public schooling is.
But, given this, the real answer isn't that we need schools to be a daycare for parents, what we need is for people to not have kids if they're just going to throw their children into a daycare. If you don't have the resources to take care of your own children, and you don't have the patience to grow up with your children, then you shouldn't be having children. Why is this so hard to admit?! If you're going to throw your kids into a glorified daycare, then you obviously didn't want kids, right? So why fucking torture yourself AND this other human?! It's not even to your own goddam benefit! People keep coming up with these tortured excuses for marriage and children when its clear by their actions that they want neither!
I've also found it interesting how well homeschoolers rate in a number of studies. You have these 'professionals' who go to college to 'learn how to educate' who get blown out of the water by tests that are designed to make the public system look good by mostly religious fundamentalist nutjob parents who deeply hate those tests anyways. To me, that speaks volumes more than anything else about how bullshit schooling is.
I like Gatto, too, anon.
>>198418
>most kids don't need school, more than parent's needing daycare
>>198426
>Kids don't need school, their parents need a daycare.
Dingdingding, picrel. Why is this admission so fucking hard for people when it's COMPLETELY OBVIOUS that this is what public schooling is.
But, given this, the real answer isn't that we need schools to be a daycare for parents, what we need is for people to not have kids if they're just going to throw their children into a daycare. If you don't have the resources to take care of your own children, and you don't have the patience to grow up with your children, then you shouldn't be having children. Why is this so hard to admit?! If you're going to throw your kids into a glorified daycare, then you obviously didn't want kids, right? So why fucking torture yourself AND this other human?! It's not even to your own goddam benefit! People keep coming up with these tortured excuses for marriage and children when its clear by their actions that they want neither!
I've also found it interesting how well homeschoolers rate in a number of studies. You have these 'professionals' who go to college to 'learn how to educate' who get blown out of the water by tests that are designed to make the public system look good by mostly religious fundamentalist nutjob parents who deeply hate those tests anyways. To me, that speaks volumes more than anything else about how bullshit schooling is.
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>>198472
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com
Not a critique against homeschooling but most parents these days are forced into sending their kids to public schools because wages are increasingly so much less now that both parents have to work just to make ends meet. Private schools are mostly also shitty and/or extremely expensive on top of that. I wish it could work, I really really wish. It is certainly the best option by far but tragically not an accessible one. We're absolutely fucked.
Kinda random but I have a strong feeling that is what Ian Curtis is singing about on a lot of the album Closer, especially Heart and Soul. Dude was way ahead of his time.
The only logical conclusion I can make out from all of this is that our society is headed for a slow but inevitable collapse or at least some very hard times for well into the future and well beyond all our lifetimes. America and pretty much the rest of developed society is the new Rome.
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com
Not a critique against homeschooling but most parents these days are forced into sending their kids to public schools because wages are increasingly so much less now that both parents have to work just to make ends meet. Private schools are mostly also shitty and/or extremely expensive on top of that. I wish it could work, I really really wish. It is certainly the best option by far but tragically not an accessible one. We're absolutely fucked.
Kinda random but I have a strong feeling that is what Ian Curtis is singing about on a lot of the album Closer, especially Heart and Soul. Dude was way ahead of his time.
The only logical conclusion I can make out from all of this is that our society is headed for a slow but inevitable collapse or at least some very hard times for well into the future and well beyond all our lifetimes. America and pretty much the rest of developed society is the new Rome.
The guy defending the prussian model really has no idea about what he even defends, huh? The prussian style is the reason most schools create this shitty atmosphere when you can only get good grades if you suck up to the teacher and not if you genuinely deserve better grades or have original thoughts/opinions about the subject.
Authoritarian attitude is always present in schools obviously because otherwise it would be about loud and degenerate kids disturbing others all the time. But you can have authority without creating a military atmosphere and without creating a cult of personality centered around the teacher. The prussian system makes you memorize lots of shit without caring about whether you understand those things correctly or not. To think that anyone defends this outdated system nowadays is astonishing.
Authoritarian attitude is always present in schools obviously because otherwise it would be about loud and degenerate kids disturbing others all the time. But you can have authority without creating a military atmosphere and without creating a cult of personality centered around the teacher. The prussian system makes you memorize lots of shit without caring about whether you understand those things correctly or not. To think that anyone defends this outdated system nowadays is astonishing.
>>196719
You probably remember this. Did you know in usa there used to be "alcohol bux"? They would give you bux if you couldnt stop drinking
You probably remember this. Did you know in usa there used to be "alcohol bux"? They would give you bux if you couldnt stop drinking
>>198483
the colours really come out when you talk about politically tangential topics. Some subjects like math are just easier to teach when rote memorized. Children aren't going to naturally know what to study for future success in life based on their own proclivities. If you're doing mass education for everyone it is even less realistic, since the time per student available in a typical day has to be low by default.
Are you going to post the alternative? Not a -reformer- with whimsical ideas, but a real positive policy suggestion. Do you even know?
the colours really come out when you talk about politically tangential topics. Some subjects like math are just easier to teach when rote memorized. Children aren't going to naturally know what to study for future success in life based on their own proclivities. If you're doing mass education for everyone it is even less realistic, since the time per student available in a typical day has to be low by default.
Are you going to post the alternative? Not a -reformer- with whimsical ideas, but a real positive policy suggestion. Do you even know?
>>198483
The people who don't like the Prussian model have no alternative, but yet most educated people in the world can thank their education for the Prussian model. It's like complaining about the best thing we have, acting like it's the worst.
The people who don't like the Prussian model have no alternative, but yet most educated people in the world can thank their education for the Prussian model. It's like complaining about the best thing we have, acting like it's the worst.
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>>198486
The most educated person in the world
The most educated person in the world
I dont see how very chaotic people unwilling to learn should habe tax dollars wasted so they are forced into school. Tell me how keeping inner city blacks who keep failing and dont care should be in school
>>198488
You're preaching the empty platitudes of "success" and "skills" that only amount to being a wage cuck cog in a machine.
You're preaching the empty platitudes of "success" and "skills" that only amount to being a wage cuck cog in a machine.
>>198490
No, I just believe the Prussian education system is cost effect, effective, and exists. If you provide a educational system that is better in every way, people would adopt
No, I just believe the Prussian education system is cost effect, effective, and exists. If you provide a educational system that is better in every way, people would adopt
>>198489
The cost of school is far less than the cost of policing, so of anything free education is a bargain . I think Prussian schooling can accommodate disruptive pupils though, by sending them to a less comfortable, more boring section of campus. I believe they call it detention.
The cost of school is far less than the cost of policing, so of anything free education is a bargain . I think Prussian schooling can accommodate disruptive pupils though, by sending them to a less comfortable, more boring section of campus. I believe they call it detention.
>>198492
I don't agree with that, sometimes it seems like a genius is almost overlooked, like Ramanujan. It almost happening is good enough for me to suspect it does happen
I don't agree with that, sometimes it seems like a genius is almost overlooked, like Ramanujan. It almost happening is good enough for me to suspect it does happen
>>198485
>whatabout muh alternative?
>muh skills
>muh success
>this is just political
The ultimate alternative is homeschooling which would be feasible if our society wasn't so wage cucked, or a future invention that solves this issue and hopefully doesn't make all this 100x worse. Kids love to learn and actually will if you let them with a little bit of gentle guidance from their parents/natural teachers, I know that's a super hard concept to understand in a society that teaches the absolute opposite but at least try to pull off the empty cuckold platitudes of "success" and "skills" that are getting us increasingly nowhere in this failing society. Either way it doesn't matter because you'll learn the hard way when it fails totally and your left to pick up the pieces as most will when it fails.
>whatabout muh alternative?
>muh skills
>muh success
>this is just political
The ultimate alternative is homeschooling which would be feasible if our society wasn't so wage cucked, or a future invention that solves this issue and hopefully doesn't make all this 100x worse. Kids love to learn and actually will if you let them with a little bit of gentle guidance from their parents/natural teachers, I know that's a super hard concept to understand in a society that teaches the absolute opposite but at least try to pull off the empty cuckold platitudes of "success" and "skills" that are getting us increasingly nowhere in this failing society. Either way it doesn't matter because you'll learn the hard way when it fails totally and your left to pick up the pieces as most will when it fails.
>>198494
there's been plenty of research done on the topic. People with higher IQ's naturally gravitate towards stimulating activities and educate themselves. There's probably a cutoff materially where this isn't true, but generally speaking public education can never satisfy the needs of smart people while catering to the mass audience. This is what I've been trying to tell you, by having a mixed IQ cohort both high and low IQ types fail to be satisfied with course content. Which is why education should be as short as feasibly possible
>>198495
the real benefit of schooling is social networking. If you take that away from kids they'll have smaller social circles and more impoverished lives. Besides of which, succubi can no longer feasibly become homemakers in the dual earner environment and the type of material taught is above laymen skill range usually anyways
there's been plenty of research done on the topic. People with higher IQ's naturally gravitate towards stimulating activities and educate themselves. There's probably a cutoff materially where this isn't true, but generally speaking public education can never satisfy the needs of smart people while catering to the mass audience. This is what I've been trying to tell you, by having a mixed IQ cohort both high and low IQ types fail to be satisfied with course content. Which is why education should be as short as feasibly possible
>>198495
the real benefit of schooling is social networking. If you take that away from kids they'll have smaller social circles and more impoverished lives. Besides of which, succubi can no longer feasibly become homemakers in the dual earner environment and the type of material taught is above laymen skill range usually anyways
>>198496
It shouldn't exist at all but most are fucked into this position. 🤷♂️
Community can exist without Prussian schooling, and far better ones than it. If it didn't humans including children being the social animals they are would go the fuck outside and form groups and communities a lot more. This is what happened with kids forever before this whole horrid thing was invented. That's how they got jobs too by finding and apprenticing with workers of the field the child was interested in. Also fyi a kid working a job is not inherently a bad thing only if the child really wants to do it and isn't compelled to do so. And of course not in some horrid sweatshop that no kid would want to work in. I am describing a healthy sustainable society and what existed before all this.
It shouldn't exist at all but most are fucked into this position. 🤷♂️
Community can exist without Prussian schooling, and far better ones than it. If it didn't humans including children being the social animals they are would go the fuck outside and form groups and communities a lot more. This is what happened with kids forever before this whole horrid thing was invented. That's how they got jobs too by finding and apprenticing with workers of the field the child was interested in. Also fyi a kid working a job is not inherently a bad thing only if the child really wants to do it and isn't compelled to do so. And of course not in some horrid sweatshop that no kid would want to work in. I am describing a healthy sustainable society and what existed before all this.
>>198498
>before all of this
You fool, Prussian education is exactly what provided mass education. The before was a time of massive illiteracy.
>before all of this
You fool, Prussian education is exactly what provided mass education. The before was a time of massive illiteracy.
>>198499
What do you think happened before this system was invented? Did kids sit in their rooms all day and stare at a wall or did they follow their innate curiosity and mingle with the real world? Colonial America was surprisingly literate, just look it up. People these days almost never read in substantial amounts and are quite illiterate most of the time.
What do you think happened before this system was invented? Did kids sit in their rooms all day and stare at a wall or did they follow their innate curiosity and mingle with the real world? Colonial America was surprisingly literate, just look it up. People these days almost never read in substantial amounts and are quite illiterate most of the time.
>>198501
If you account for illiterate slaves, the literacy is pretty similar to our system. Black Baltimore MD schools have an average of of below 1 GPA.
If you account for illiterate slaves, the literacy is pretty similar to our system. Black Baltimore MD schools have an average of of below 1 GPA.
>>198503
if you took the average North American black- who scores above one standard deviation lower than whites on IQ testing- and let them study whatever they wanted, would literacy and numeracy rates be higher than today? Is self driven education really the most effective way to teach underperforming students?
if you took the average North American black- who scores above one standard deviation lower than whites on IQ testing- and let them study whatever they wanted, would literacy and numeracy rates be higher than today? Is self driven education really the most effective way to teach underperforming students?
>>198503
Yeah I just think Prussia works fine, colonial school houses have past the era where they are workable. But even despite that, they are still around, and available. I heard COVID triggered shared homeschooling tutor share, and you can see how colonial education pretty much seemed to lead to similar literacy rates.
>>198504
Seems like a simple experiment. Wouldn't the Montessori people have that data? Maybe not explicitly for N.A. Blacks
Yeah I just think Prussia works fine, colonial school houses have past the era where they are workable. But even despite that, they are still around, and available. I heard COVID triggered shared homeschooling tutor share, and you can see how colonial education pretty much seemed to lead to similar literacy rates.
>>198504
Seems like a simple experiment. Wouldn't the Montessori people have that data? Maybe not explicitly for N.A. Blacks
>>198505
the answer should be obvious. If you don't put underperforming kids in total institutions that force them to learn they never will. This is why the various educational reform movements have all failed, they think it's a methodology problem on the part of teachers and not because they're dealing with poor stock students
the answer should be obvious. If you don't put underperforming kids in total institutions that force them to learn they never will. This is why the various educational reform movements have all failed, they think it's a methodology problem on the part of teachers and not because they're dealing with poor stock students
>>198506
I'd like to see the Prussian model filter more often than once a year. The disruptive, and unintelligent students must be removed to ensure the learning students are not disturbed. It's called detention.
I'd like to see the Prussian model filter more often than once a year. The disruptive, and unintelligent students must be removed to ensure the learning students are not disturbed. It's called detention.
>>198507
I agree, it's just really feasible to be running 2-3 different IQ sorted cohorts per year in the current system. Not to mention you're turning education into outright BNW social sorting
if they just expelled bullies to some retards only night school it'd be a major improvement
I agree, it's just really feasible to be running 2-3 different IQ sorted cohorts per year in the current system. Not to mention you're turning education into outright BNW social sorting
if they just expelled bullies to some retards only night school it'd be a major improvement
>>198508
Just expelling them has the problem of just ofoading them to the streets, requiring more policing costs. Cheaper to supervise them under threat of parental arrest, at school, even if they don't want to learn.
Just expelling them has the problem of just ofoading them to the streets, requiring more policing costs. Cheaper to supervise them under threat of parental arrest, at school, even if they don't want to learn.
>>198509
just put'em in a dumbed down night school where they can work a day job. The exaggerated market value of dogwood degrees is ruining job prospects for average people
just put'em in a dumbed down night school where they can work a day job. The exaggerated market value of dogwood degrees is ruining job prospects for average people
>>198474
>wages are increasingly so much less now that both parents have to
Bro, I get that. My question is less that and more WHY ARE YOU FUCKING HAVING KIDS?!
>wages are increasingly so much less now that both parents have to
Bro, I get that. My question is less that and more WHY ARE YOU FUCKING HAVING KIDS?!
>>198485
>Children aren't going to naturally know what to study for future success in life based on their own proclivities.
Maybe they should study whatever is interesting to them and whatever they are good at, no? Instead of being forced to study loads of subjects they don't care about. Most people realize at quite an early age where their strenghts and weaknesses lie.
>>198486
I can't thank the prussian model for anything that private tutoring couldn't have given me. It only made me depressed by forcing me to study things I didn't care about or didn't have any affinity for.
>>198496
>the real benefit of schooling is social networking. If you take that away from kids they'll have smaller social circles and more impoverished lives.
Not everyone is the same shitty npc drone, you know? Being forced to be around others all the time was extremely annoying for me. Again, let kids decide if they want to be around others their age or not or who they want to spend their time with.
>Children aren't going to naturally know what to study for future success in life based on their own proclivities.
Maybe they should study whatever is interesting to them and whatever they are good at, no? Instead of being forced to study loads of subjects they don't care about. Most people realize at quite an early age where their strenghts and weaknesses lie.
>>198486
I can't thank the prussian model for anything that private tutoring couldn't have given me. It only made me depressed by forcing me to study things I didn't care about or didn't have any affinity for.
>>198496
>the real benefit of schooling is social networking. If you take that away from kids they'll have smaller social circles and more impoverished lives.
Not everyone is the same shitty npc drone, you know? Being forced to be around others all the time was extremely annoying for me. Again, let kids decide if they want to be around others their age or not or who they want to spend their time with.
>>198519
The Prussian model is private tutoring for poor people. Get rich to get private tutors for your kids.
The Prussian model is private tutoring for poor people. Get rich to get private tutors for your kids.
>>198519
so cut down the courseload tremendously to be basic reading writing and arithmatic. The average person is overqualified for the average job by the time they have a grade 10 education; release'em there. Let postsecondary institutions get the odd STEM grad up to speed. The solution is less education overall, not the constant lengthening of it
so cut down the courseload tremendously to be basic reading writing and arithmatic. The average person is overqualified for the average job by the time they have a grade 10 education; release'em there. Let postsecondary institutions get the odd STEM grad up to speed. The solution is less education overall, not the constant lengthening of it
>>198522
Where is there mass education that isn't shitty then. Probably the fourth time I've asked for an example. Worst than communists.
Where is there mass education that isn't shitty then. Probably the fourth time I've asked for an example. Worst than communists.
>>198520
Are there even any good private tutors left at all? It feels like all of them are all just clueless retards larping as "experts" to get easy money.
Are there even any good private tutors left at all? It feels like all of them are all just clueless retards larping as "experts" to get easy money.
>>198496
> the real benefit of schooling is social networking. If you take that away from kids they'll have smaller social circles and more impoverished lives.
kill yourself, outsider
> the real benefit of schooling is social networking. If you take that away from kids they'll have smaller social circles and more impoverished lives.
kill yourself, outsider
>brainless poltards automatically defending everything germanic or related to traditions
Yare yare daze.
>>198523
Mass education is usually bad, that's my whole point. But more individualist models work better and produce better results. It's the prussian system's fault most people can't even read, write properly or prove somehow that they supposedly finished high school at all. There is nothing wrong with uneducated people but then let's not waste each other's time. School isn't supposed to be kindergarten or free baby sitter service but a place of education.
I don't know what is considered even good about some collectivistic system like the prussian model. It tries to shove down the throats of students as many knowledge as possible (without taking into consideration individual differences and preferences) and then people act surprised when their children are complete retards even after finishing high school who refuse to touch any kind of book. Anyone who isn't some brainless npc will hate this system and will hate studying and anything associated with it.
During the time I have been NEETing I educated myself much more thanks to the internet than what I've learned for 12 years in mass education.
Yare yare daze.
>>198523
Mass education is usually bad, that's my whole point. But more individualist models work better and produce better results. It's the prussian system's fault most people can't even read, write properly or prove somehow that they supposedly finished high school at all. There is nothing wrong with uneducated people but then let's not waste each other's time. School isn't supposed to be kindergarten or free baby sitter service but a place of education.
I don't know what is considered even good about some collectivistic system like the prussian model. It tries to shove down the throats of students as many knowledge as possible (without taking into consideration individual differences and preferences) and then people act surprised when their children are complete retards even after finishing high school who refuse to touch any kind of book. Anyone who isn't some brainless npc will hate this system and will hate studying and anything associated with it.
During the time I have been NEETing I educated myself much more thanks to the internet than what I've learned for 12 years in mass education.
>>198546
> School isn't supposed to be kindergarten or free baby sitter service but a place of education.
Here's where we are cross talking each other. Yes, its actually more important to the parents, and adults in the room that poor kids are observed, and disciplined, over that they are educated.
I'm not denying individualist tutoring being effective, I'm saying it's expensive, and orthogonal to the political reasons for institutional school anyway. Daycare for the workers.
A Prussian school that actually more clearly delineated these needs, daycare, and education would be more effective educator and supervisor.
> School isn't supposed to be kindergarten or free baby sitter service but a place of education.
Here's where we are cross talking each other. Yes, its actually more important to the parents, and adults in the room that poor kids are observed, and disciplined, over that they are educated.
I'm not denying individualist tutoring being effective, I'm saying it's expensive, and orthogonal to the political reasons for institutional school anyway. Daycare for the workers.
A Prussian school that actually more clearly delineated these needs, daycare, and education would be more effective educator and supervisor.
>>198546
> Anyone who isn't some brainless npc will hate this system and will hate studying and anything associated with it.
This is clearly your crux, in my non expert opinion. You have some issue with your experience of school and go from there to making gander claims.
> Anyone who isn't some brainless npc will hate this system and will hate studying and anything associated with it.
This is clearly your crux, in my non expert opinion. You have some issue with your experience of school and go from there to making gander claims.
>>198557
If you want to observe kids then send them to training camps or prisons or give them jobs asap. Schools were created for the purpose of teaching people stuff. Besides, I just laugh at the presumption that all kids would be problem kids if they didn't have to go to school. If anything schools fuck kids up much more mentally than if they were just left alone with their family and people they knew. Take someone and lock them up with other 30 people for 8 hours a day and make them "learn" stuff they hate. And people seriously wonder why there is so much school-related violence…
>Daycare for the workers.
Kids only need supervision until what, they are 7 or 8?
>>198558
Well maybe because I am a wizard and I really hated most people I had to be around. They were dumb and annoying, the teachers were idiots who only wanted respect and their students to take the same view as them on everything.
Public education is its own circle of hell. Kids would be better off without it in most cases too I would even say that.
If you want to observe kids then send them to training camps or prisons or give them jobs asap. Schools were created for the purpose of teaching people stuff. Besides, I just laugh at the presumption that all kids would be problem kids if they didn't have to go to school. If anything schools fuck kids up much more mentally than if they were just left alone with their family and people they knew. Take someone and lock them up with other 30 people for 8 hours a day and make them "learn" stuff they hate. And people seriously wonder why there is so much school-related violence…
>Daycare for the workers.
Kids only need supervision until what, they are 7 or 8?
>>198558
Well maybe because I am a wizard and I really hated most people I had to be around. They were dumb and annoying, the teachers were idiots who only wanted respect and their students to take the same view as them on everything.
Public education is its own circle of hell. Kids would be better off without it in most cases too I would even say that.
>>198560
Users on 4chan's /pol/ board would never believe this. This tidbit of info is irrelevant to the thread, but I just really love /pol/ and thought perhaps it would be funny to think about how they might agree or disagree with your post. A fun thought experiment, just an entertaining little bit of assertive thinking. Thank you for reading.
Users on 4chan's /pol/ board would never believe this. This tidbit of info is irrelevant to the thread, but I just really love /pol/ and thought perhaps it would be funny to think about how they might agree or disagree with your post. A fun thought experiment, just an entertaining little bit of assertive thinking. Thank you for reading.
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>Kids only need supervision until what, they are 7 or 8?
I have a relative with a kid in middle school, and they installed some tracking app on their phone to know where they are at all times. Some parents apparently even make them wear watches that serve the same purpose. It boggles my mind that this is being normalized now, they are going to make them as terrified as they are of pretty much everything. Some of their fears have truth to them but their solutions only make them worse, like they are never left outside in the streets on their own because of cars, so they have to drive them everywhere, even when the destination is clearly within walking or biking distance, since you wouldn't want the poor little things to risk getting tired, wet, dirty or run over by… some fellow helicopter parent in a suv dropping her progeny to a designated "kid area" (school, park, soccer game, swimming pool or whatever)
I won't even go into "stranger danger" stuff, parents believe there are perverts right around every corner…
I was a sheltered kid so I know how damaging it is. You can't do this to children and be outraged that a generation turns out wrong, or can't do anything on their own.
I have a relative with a kid in middle school, and they installed some tracking app on their phone to know where they are at all times. Some parents apparently even make them wear watches that serve the same purpose. It boggles my mind that this is being normalized now, they are going to make them as terrified as they are of pretty much everything. Some of their fears have truth to them but their solutions only make them worse, like they are never left outside in the streets on their own because of cars, so they have to drive them everywhere, even when the destination is clearly within walking or biking distance, since you wouldn't want the poor little things to risk getting tired, wet, dirty or run over by… some fellow helicopter parent in a suv dropping her progeny to a designated "kid area" (school, park, soccer game, swimming pool or whatever)
I won't even go into "stranger danger" stuff, parents believe there are perverts right around every corner…
I was a sheltered kid so I know how damaging it is. You can't do this to children and be outraged that a generation turns out wrong, or can't do anything on their own.
>>198584
It's strange. When I was growing up, I was acclimated to the older generation saying, "This younger generation has it too easy." Now, I've been hearing the older generation saying, "I'd hate to be young nowadays."/"Things look bad for the younger generation."
…
If I spend any more time in this thread, I'm going to end up like Cicero signing off with "nolite procreare" on everything as opposed to "delenda est Catharginem" at this rate.
It's strange. When I was growing up, I was acclimated to the older generation saying, "This younger generation has it too easy." Now, I've been hearing the older generation saying, "I'd hate to be young nowadays."/"Things look bad for the younger generation."
…
If I spend any more time in this thread, I'm going to end up like Cicero signing off with "nolite procreare" on everything as opposed to "delenda est Catharginem" at this rate.
>>198584
Phone can be turned off, watch left anywhere else, parents shut with a snap. But I agree that the situation is slightly out of control. What they are doing is insane.
Phone can be turned off, watch left anywhere else, parents shut with a snap. But I agree that the situation is slightly out of control. What they are doing is insane.
>>198586
>Phone can be turned off, watch left anywhere else
Young kids will not do this. Teenagers might but it's still fucked up on principle, and if parents are neurotic and smothering enough to keep you on what is basically a tight leash, it can be expected from them to lose their shit over such a rebellious act and create pointless conflicts. It is morally wrong and ultimately detrimental on every possible level. The analogy with prison inmates would be adequate here.
>Phone can be turned off, watch left anywhere else
Young kids will not do this. Teenagers might but it's still fucked up on principle, and if parents are neurotic and smothering enough to keep you on what is basically a tight leash, it can be expected from them to lose their shit over such a rebellious act and create pointless conflicts. It is morally wrong and ultimately detrimental on every possible level. The analogy with prison inmates would be adequate here.
>>198586
>Phone can be turned off, watch left anywhere else
And then you get the everloving shit beaten out of you, or at least get browbeaten by your retarded parents for months straight over it.
>parents shut with a snap.
This can work for some, but not all. I feel like the vast majority of parents these days are literal human garbage doing every drug, endulging in everything disgusting and acting like a nigger all around too, unlike the past where they were mostly middle class whites who'd cry if you don't shake their hand daily or whatever, and the former is really a whole lot more likely to abuse you. Don't forget that parents have a physical advantage, an advantage in terms of life experience, an advantage in terms of trustworthiness(nobody would trust a child claiming to be getting beaten if two or three adults are there to say that it's just the child's delusion), and an advantage in that they can easily pull the child's heart strings. I'm willing to bet my entire fortune of 5 dollars that children are statistically the most likely to suffer from stockholm syndrome.
>Phone can be turned off, watch left anywhere else
And then you get the everloving shit beaten out of you, or at least get browbeaten by your retarded parents for months straight over it.
>parents shut with a snap.
This can work for some, but not all. I feel like the vast majority of parents these days are literal human garbage doing every drug, endulging in everything disgusting and acting like a nigger all around too, unlike the past where they were mostly middle class whites who'd cry if you don't shake their hand daily or whatever, and the former is really a whole lot more likely to abuse you. Don't forget that parents have a physical advantage, an advantage in terms of life experience, an advantage in terms of trustworthiness(nobody would trust a child claiming to be getting beaten if two or three adults are there to say that it's just the child's delusion), and an advantage in that they can easily pull the child's heart strings. I'm willing to bet my entire fortune of 5 dollars that children are statistically the most likely to suffer from stockholm syndrome.
>>198589
Burn your home and dissolve into the sunset. I see no saner solution to this problem.
Burn your home and dissolve into the sunset. I see no saner solution to this problem.
>>198589
>I feel like the vast majority of parents these days are literal human garbage doing every drug, endulging in everything disgusting and acting like a nigger all around too, unlike the past where they were mostly middle class whites who'd cry if you don't shake their hand daily or whatever, and the former is really a whole lot more likely to abuse you.
It's the other way around. Those white middle class decent folks who care about morality and making their kids into upstanding citizens are more likely to abuse their children. They are control freaks who think they own their children and can shape them into whatever they want them to be. And when the child expresses his or her unique thoughts then they get beaten or receive passive-aggressive guilt tripping. Or if the authority person in charge of their kid (teacher) says the kid is "problematic" then that is another reason to torture the child and to inflict punishment upon him because what will our precious society and neighbors say if our son is a weirdo???
>>198584
It's the result of middle class culture becoming mainstream. Most parents don't know when to stop, they are either too strict or don't care about their kids, there is no proper middle ground. Most people are retards so it shouldn't be surprising they raise fucked up kids.
My brother is the same overprotective dad you described. He and his wife obsess over every single shit, it's like their kids live in some military camp and they are surprised why the older one (4 years old succubus) needs a child psychologist and why she has anger problems. Maybe because you dumb fucks created a stricter daily routine for her than prisoners have? I would like to ask them. Then come weekend they dump her at the parents of his wife and go to massages or to whatever middle class shit is trending currently. Middle class people are cancer.
>I feel like the vast majority of parents these days are literal human garbage doing every drug, endulging in everything disgusting and acting like a nigger all around too, unlike the past where they were mostly middle class whites who'd cry if you don't shake their hand daily or whatever, and the former is really a whole lot more likely to abuse you.
It's the other way around. Those white middle class decent folks who care about morality and making their kids into upstanding citizens are more likely to abuse their children. They are control freaks who think they own their children and can shape them into whatever they want them to be. And when the child expresses his or her unique thoughts then they get beaten or receive passive-aggressive guilt tripping. Or if the authority person in charge of their kid (teacher) says the kid is "problematic" then that is another reason to torture the child and to inflict punishment upon him because what will our precious society and neighbors say if our son is a weirdo???
>>198584
It's the result of middle class culture becoming mainstream. Most parents don't know when to stop, they are either too strict or don't care about their kids, there is no proper middle ground. Most people are retards so it shouldn't be surprising they raise fucked up kids.
My brother is the same overprotective dad you described. He and his wife obsess over every single shit, it's like their kids live in some military camp and they are surprised why the older one (4 years old succubus) needs a child psychologist and why she has anger problems. Maybe because you dumb fucks created a stricter daily routine for her than prisoners have? I would like to ask them. Then come weekend they dump her at the parents of his wife and go to massages or to whatever middle class shit is trending currently. Middle class people are cancer.
>parents obsessively tracking their kids
Unless they're Asian and are willing to do this their entire lives it isn't going to work. People will naturally gravitate to environments suited to their genes in the long term. Caplan did a whole book on this, "selfish reasons to have more kids"
Unless they're Asian and are willing to do this their entire lives it isn't going to work. People will naturally gravitate to environments suited to their genes in the long term. Caplan did a whole book on this, "selfish reasons to have more kids"
>>198595
the capability is only for middle class people to become comfortable with intense surveillance. its functionally useless for anything besides generating anxiety.
the capability is only for middle class people to become comfortable with intense surveillance. its functionally useless for anything besides generating anxiety.
>>198597
it is pretty surreal. Go anywhere significant and there's cameras or people who will pull out cell phones and film you. Post anything and it's archived somewhere. Say something unpopular in the digital public square and you get shadowbanned, shilled, downvoted, algo hidden, or even doxxed. It's a totally different operating environment than even 10 years ago. The cyberpunk future wasn't even a cool dystopia, it's just a big gerbil cage
it is pretty surreal. Go anywhere significant and there's cameras or people who will pull out cell phones and film you. Post anything and it's archived somewhere. Say something unpopular in the digital public square and you get shadowbanned, shilled, downvoted, algo hidden, or even doxxed. It's a totally different operating environment than even 10 years ago. The cyberpunk future wasn't even a cool dystopia, it's just a big gerbil cage
>>196788
Interesting that this post mirrors my experience quite a bit.
I'm really uncomfortable about the fear of unknown and get really anxious about new experiences. I don't like to test myself and don't like to start something new or see the results of my work in fear that they will be uncomfortable in some way. I ghost people, I've become a shut in neet. I'm ashamed of going outside and someone recognizing me. I'm almost 25 and I have some moments of clarity where I fear I'm on a road to annihilation; but they go away when I'm zombie like state as I waste away my life in the internet fapping or some other useless shit. I never had a job, sometimes I apply to jobs but then I'm too scared to open my email because I think it would be discomforting. I wonder if my brain is always in self preservation mode or something like the part of brain responsible for fear is on overdrive. I don't think I'm autistic and I can feel other's emotions really well - too well in fact I have to consider myself as oversensitive. I will try this "plan ahead" thing you talk about but I'm really scared. I've tried to fix myself for over 4 years and it always falls apart either I get really depressed or I shut-down emotionally and waste another year. Wish me luck.
Interesting that this post mirrors my experience quite a bit.
I'm really uncomfortable about the fear of unknown and get really anxious about new experiences. I don't like to test myself and don't like to start something new or see the results of my work in fear that they will be uncomfortable in some way. I ghost people, I've become a shut in neet. I'm ashamed of going outside and someone recognizing me. I'm almost 25 and I have some moments of clarity where I fear I'm on a road to annihilation; but they go away when I'm zombie like state as I waste away my life in the internet fapping or some other useless shit. I never had a job, sometimes I apply to jobs but then I'm too scared to open my email because I think it would be discomforting. I wonder if my brain is always in self preservation mode or something like the part of brain responsible for fear is on overdrive. I don't think I'm autistic and I can feel other's emotions really well - too well in fact I have to consider myself as oversensitive. I will try this "plan ahead" thing you talk about but I'm really scared. I've tried to fix myself for over 4 years and it always falls apart either I get really depressed or I shut-down emotionally and waste another year. Wish me luck.
>>195506
>make six figure bux
This is American privilege. You won't make 6 figures working as a programmer anywhere else in the world. Average salary is like ~€50k with 10-20 years experience in most European countries worth living in.
>make six figure bux
This is American privilege. You won't make 6 figures working as a programmer anywhere else in the world. Average salary is like ~€50k with 10-20 years experience in most European countries worth living in.
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I would only want to work in design but I have no talent for it and these kind of jobs are HYPER competitive since they are your typical "dream job" so you have to compete against talented zoomers who graduated from top schools, already got experience + have the health to work 16 hour days… I had no chance to get a job like that when I was young and it's impossible now at 30 with no experience.
I can only focus on something productive 4 hours a day TOPS and every full time job needs you to work WAY WAY more. Even after these 4 hours which people would dream about my energy is depleted and I can't do anything else but relax for the rest of the day. I can't imagine cooking, exercise, chores… on top of that.
I'm also the kind of guy who has to triple check everything important so any kind of job with any responsibility would give me massive anxiety. I remember just small programs breaking because of simple coding mistakes I can't imagine being in charge of a program with 100k lines of code that can lead to thousands of $ in damage if it doesn't work.
I can only focus on something productive 4 hours a day TOPS and every full time job needs you to work WAY WAY more. Even after these 4 hours which people would dream about my energy is depleted and I can't do anything else but relax for the rest of the day. I can't imagine cooking, exercise, chores… on top of that.
I'm also the kind of guy who has to triple check everything important so any kind of job with any responsibility would give me massive anxiety. I remember just small programs breaking because of simple coding mistakes I can't imagine being in charge of a program with 100k lines of code that can lead to thousands of $ in damage if it doesn't work.
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