There was a thread about NPCs that was censored, but this is an interesting topic.
NPCs are absolutely real and are the vast majority of the population.
They were created by the excesses of agriculture and industry.
Because everything is abundant there isn't much evolutionary pressure on most people and they don't have to work or explore or develop themselves to survive.
They just consume.
Their easy habits become ingrained in the DNA of their line as they choose mates like themselves, and the predisposition to sloth and stupidity turns into genetic compulsion. This happens much faster than "science" anticipates, it only takes a few generations.
NPCs were a bad enough problem when all we had was agriculture, but now industry, especially the media, is filling these humanoid abominations' lives with illusory experiences (weaponized according to psychological principles) and frenzying them into profound insanity.
Agriculture and industry would be fine if there was anything else for people to do and strong laws to compell them to be productive and punish them for degeneracy, but so far the elite classes of various societies have been very weak and greedy favoring large numbers of slave-cattle humanoids and basically ignoring the necessity for sufficient men of quality, assuming that they themselves are all that really matters, when actually society depends on strong middle and lower classes.
NPCs are absolutely real and are the vast majority of the population.
They were created by the excesses of agriculture and industry.
Because everything is abundant there isn't much evolutionary pressure on most people and they don't have to work or explore or develop themselves to survive.
They just consume.
Their easy habits become ingrained in the DNA of their line as they choose mates like themselves, and the predisposition to sloth and stupidity turns into genetic compulsion. This happens much faster than "science" anticipates, it only takes a few generations.
NPCs were a bad enough problem when all we had was agriculture, but now industry, especially the media, is filling these humanoid abominations' lives with illusory experiences (weaponized according to psychological principles) and frenzying them into profound insanity.
Agriculture and industry would be fine if there was anything else for people to do and strong laws to compell them to be productive and punish them for degeneracy, but so far the elite classes of various societies have been very weak and greedy favoring large numbers of slave-cattle humanoids and basically ignoring the necessity for sufficient men of quality, assuming that they themselves are all that really matters, when actually society depends on strong middle and lower classes.
You're basically just claiming to be superior to everyone else. Lets examine this claim. Post your:
- academic achievements (any degrees or certs you may have earned)
- any inventions or patents you own
- any complex projects you've completed you're particularly proud of
- discoveries you've made that were surprising
- special awards you've earned be they sporting achievements, medals for bravery, contributions to humanity
- your professional achievements in brief
If everyone is such a consumer cattle according to you: surely you must be able to produce plenty examples of your innovative work and achievements to the contrary? Otherwise you would just be a hypocrite and that would be SAD.
- academic achievements (any degrees or certs you may have earned)
- any inventions or patents you own
- any complex projects you've completed you're particularly proud of
- discoveries you've made that were surprising
- special awards you've earned be they sporting achievements, medals for bravery, contributions to humanity
- your professional achievements in brief
If everyone is such a consumer cattle according to you: surely you must be able to produce plenty examples of your innovative work and achievements to the contrary? Otherwise you would just be a hypocrite and that would be SAD.
>>197249
well, the linked wiktionary page literally says:
>1. Rare spelling of publicly.
>Usage notes
>This spelling is omitted from many dictionaries, but is present in Merriam-Webster and Collins. The suffix -ally is normally used in this context (added onto words that end in -ic), but public is an exception, and publicly is generally considered more correct.
well, the linked wiktionary page literally says:
>1. Rare spelling of publicly.
>Usage notes
>This spelling is omitted from many dictionaries, but is present in Merriam-Webster and Collins. The suffix -ally is normally used in this context (added onto words that end in -ic), but public is an exception, and publicly is generally considered more correct.
>>197242
>inb4 that's all NPC shit, i am an ascended Soul Level 652 CHIM godhead. why would i need petty honors fit for ants??!!1
>inb4 that's all NPC shit, i am an ascended Soul Level 652 CHIM godhead. why would i need petty honors fit for ants??!!1
>>197250
imagine being so illiterate you don't even know that the suffix -ally is normally used in this context
imagine being such a braindead NPC you nitpick about spelling
imagine being so illiterate you don't even know that the suffix -ally is normally used in this context
imagine being such a braindead NPC you nitpick about spelling
Has anyone ever wondered if they were an npc? Because I know I have.
The little awareness I possess in this reality allows me to be critical of my own moments of "cattle behavior". It's a bit like being just smart enough to know just how dumb you really are. Most of my interactions with people are more like knee-jerk reactions than they are actual responses to people speaking to me, and I think that's the crux of my "cattle behavior". It's a sharp noise of acknowledgement, not a conversation. Like a literal cow mooing. The anxiety that permeates my being when I'm out in public make me do bizarre, sometimes backwards things, like a non-person. I imagine I look like a liminal human being, at times. In reality, I'm just a witches cauldron of mental illness.
The little awareness I possess in this reality allows me to be critical of my own moments of "cattle behavior". It's a bit like being just smart enough to know just how dumb you really are. Most of my interactions with people are more like knee-jerk reactions than they are actual responses to people speaking to me, and I think that's the crux of my "cattle behavior". It's a sharp noise of acknowledgement, not a conversation. Like a literal cow mooing. The anxiety that permeates my being when I'm out in public make me do bizarre, sometimes backwards things, like a non-person. I imagine I look like a liminal human being, at times. In reality, I'm just a witches cauldron of mental illness.
>>197280
>The little awareness I possess in this reality allows me to be critical of my own moments of "cattle behavior".
This act is in itself proof of your consciousness. The main difference between "real people" and what you may call "NPCs" is their lack of self reflection and reliance on acknowledgement from others as proof of their existence, among other thoughless, impulsive behaviour.
>The little awareness I possess in this reality allows me to be critical of my own moments of "cattle behavior".
This act is in itself proof of your consciousness. The main difference between "real people" and what you may call "NPCs" is their lack of self reflection and reliance on acknowledgement from others as proof of their existence, among other thoughless, impulsive behaviour.
>>197282
I believe that people only exist in this world as they present themselves outwardly.
As eloquent as my inner dialogue dreams it might be, I'll still just be a frightened creature, getting pushed around.
I believe that people only exist in this world as they present themselves outwardly.
As eloquent as my inner dialogue dreams it might be, I'll still just be a frightened creature, getting pushed around.
>>197286
I would say it's worse than that, that their inner dialogue is a complete reflection of the established ideology in their given society.
Everyone is frightened and pushed around by powers that be, but here is where the line between man and animal (NPC) is drawn: The first step towards freedom if to understand your living condition, only then you can strive to escape it.
I would say it's worse than that, that their inner dialogue is a complete reflection of the established ideology in their given society.
Everyone is frightened and pushed around by powers that be, but here is where the line between man and animal (NPC) is drawn: The first step towards freedom if to understand your living condition, only then you can strive to escape it.
it's just a slur to bash normies who get their information through social media. Propaganda is timeless and has nothing to do with """"Npc"""" crap
>>197243
So in conclusion: you can't list a single achievement yet you think you're better than others?
The reason I posted that list wasn't to encourage bragging here or anything like that. It's that even though normies tend to act the same they usually have a few skills that they're good at. Maybe they've won medals in sports or w/e. These things might seem stupid but they signal that they've done better at something than other people. So it's a good way to measure how good someone is.
It's extremely arrogant to think of other people as 'cattle' who have less value than yourself unless you're really some kind of supreme being. And since you can't show this is the case I'm going to conclude its exactly what I thought all along: simply some sad neckbeards cope or power fantasy.
So in conclusion: you can't list a single achievement yet you think you're better than others?
The reason I posted that list wasn't to encourage bragging here or anything like that. It's that even though normies tend to act the same they usually have a few skills that they're good at. Maybe they've won medals in sports or w/e. These things might seem stupid but they signal that they've done better at something than other people. So it's a good way to measure how good someone is.
It's extremely arrogant to think of other people as 'cattle' who have less value than yourself unless you're really some kind of supreme being. And since you can't show this is the case I'm going to conclude its exactly what I thought all along: simply some sad neckbeards cope or power fantasy.
>>197344
>It's extremely arrogant to think of other people as 'cattle' who have less value than yourself
>simply some sad neckbeards
You should read your own posts first lad.
>It's extremely arrogant to think of other people as 'cattle' who have less value than yourself
>simply some sad neckbeards
You should read your own posts first lad.
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>>197344
honestly, it means nothing if one is good at sports or poetry, or was able to handle all the social pressures of getting a degree, especially when we're talking about the majority of well-adjusted people are utterly incapable of thinking beyond a single socially sanctioned, prescribed, and permitted perspective. i say anyone who's like that can justifiable be called cattle.
a person of very low social value (because he's ugly, bad at sports, socially awkward) is less likely to be in that situation because the treatment of society makes society's dominant perspectives and values weaker in him, and makes him likelier to find other perspectives fundamentally at odds with those socially sanctioned. so when such a person looks at the majority of people, who are only capable of thinking within a single perspective which they think is the ultimate truth, and which they've barely questioned (if at all), they will see something very similar to a human form of cattle.
so it's ultimately not a question of how good one is at sports or at poetry compared to others. that is in fact the manner of thinking of such normalcattle, "how is a loser in nearly all respects such as you justified in looking down on most people when they're more accomplished than you?" well, because that loser isn't looking down on them for not being as good as him in sports or poetry, but in something more fundamental prior to raw skills like those.
honestly, it means nothing if one is good at sports or poetry, or was able to handle all the social pressures of getting a degree, especially when we're talking about the majority of well-adjusted people are utterly incapable of thinking beyond a single socially sanctioned, prescribed, and permitted perspective. i say anyone who's like that can justifiable be called cattle.
a person of very low social value (because he's ugly, bad at sports, socially awkward) is less likely to be in that situation because the treatment of society makes society's dominant perspectives and values weaker in him, and makes him likelier to find other perspectives fundamentally at odds with those socially sanctioned. so when such a person looks at the majority of people, who are only capable of thinking within a single perspective which they think is the ultimate truth, and which they've barely questioned (if at all), they will see something very similar to a human form of cattle.
so it's ultimately not a question of how good one is at sports or at poetry compared to others. that is in fact the manner of thinking of such normalcattle, "how is a loser in nearly all respects such as you justified in looking down on most people when they're more accomplished than you?" well, because that loser isn't looking down on them for not being as good as him in sports or poetry, but in something more fundamental prior to raw skills like those.
>makes him likelier to find other perspectives fundamentally at odds with those socially sanctioned. so when such a person looks at the majority of people, who are only capable of thinking within a single perspective which they think is the ultimate truth, and which they've barely questioned (if at all), they will see something very similar to a human form of cattle.
But then they will probably go onto look for some form of counterculture to mindlessly indoctrinate themselves into, and claim to be superior simply because their golden cow is more niche (And often it actually isn't, anyway. They just somehow convince themselves of that.)
I wouldn't disagree that there are people who think for themselves, and then there are people who don't; and that the latter comprises a far larger portion of humanity than the former. But I frankly hate when the topic comes up, because I rarely ever see anyone throwing around the term NPC without ironically fitting neatly into it's guidelines. It's just silly. The persons who don't know who they are, and they probably just keep it to themselves.
But then they will probably go onto look for some form of counterculture to mindlessly indoctrinate themselves into, and claim to be superior simply because their golden cow is more niche (And often it actually isn't, anyway. They just somehow convince themselves of that.)
I wouldn't disagree that there are people who think for themselves, and then there are people who don't; and that the latter comprises a far larger portion of humanity than the former. But I frankly hate when the topic comes up, because I rarely ever see anyone throwing around the term NPC without ironically fitting neatly into it's guidelines. It's just silly. The persons who don't know who they are, and they probably just keep it to themselves.
>>197347
none of your judgements make sense or are even coherent.
you're a retarded animal crab-bucketing.
none of your judgements make sense or are even coherent.
you're a retarded animal crab-bucketing.
>>197346
Like I said: such a person would have products of their intellectual skills if that were the case.
Like I said: such a person would have products of their intellectual skills if that were the case.
>>197346
>a person of very low social value (because he's ugly, bad at sports, socially awkward) is less likely to be in that situation because the treatment of society makes society's dominant perspectives and values weaker in him, and makes him likelier to find other perspectives fundamentally at odds with those socially sanctioned. so when such a person looks at the majority of people, who are only capable of thinking within a single perspective which they think is the ultimate truth, and which they've barely questioned (if at all), they will see something very similar to a human form of cattle
I agree with this a lot. You’re intelligent and explained really well thats the sole reason I find vast majority of people cattle and npc’s. Not because they don’t have achievements or they’re low intelligent , any other things. Npc’s sometimes are very intelligent but their thinking is always inside the box and they never question some things in the society , which in my opinion evil and morally wrong things but when I look to npc’s and normals its just nothing wrong to them.
>a person of very low social value (because he's ugly, bad at sports, socially awkward) is less likely to be in that situation because the treatment of society makes society's dominant perspectives and values weaker in him, and makes him likelier to find other perspectives fundamentally at odds with those socially sanctioned. so when such a person looks at the majority of people, who are only capable of thinking within a single perspective which they think is the ultimate truth, and which they've barely questioned (if at all), they will see something very similar to a human form of cattle
I agree with this a lot. You’re intelligent and explained really well thats the sole reason I find vast majority of people cattle and npc’s. Not because they don’t have achievements or they’re low intelligent , any other things. Npc’s sometimes are very intelligent but their thinking is always inside the box and they never question some things in the society , which in my opinion evil and morally wrong things but when I look to npc’s and normals its just nothing wrong to them.
>>197360
but it's also not about intellectual skills, or even raw cognitive capacities, either. there have been posts by wizzies who vent at length on how extremely dumb they are (cognitively) compared to others, and despite their near retardation they all still show a special kind of insight that normalfags don't have.
but it's also not about intellectual skills, or even raw cognitive capacities, either. there have been posts by wizzies who vent at length on how extremely dumb they are (cognitively) compared to others, and despite their near retardation they all still show a special kind of insight that normalfags don't have.
>>197363
you can never explain this to the NPCs, there is only one virtue to them and it's submissive conformity, "smart", "good", "moral" - everything else is just a synonym to this in their spaghetti-wired minds
you can never explain this to the NPCs, there is only one virtue to them and it's submissive conformity, "smart", "good", "moral" - everything else is just a synonym to this in their spaghetti-wired minds
>>197240
>values degeneracy and its opposite, purity
>values productivity and unproductivity
>values greed and generosity
>values "a strong society" which translates to fear of loss of quality of life
Eh, idk. If people are NPCs I don't see how you would stand out. Your ideals are easily found in just about anyone and don't seem to be examined by yourself to form much of a cohesive whole.
Who are the free-thinkers? What separates the berry-picker from the mailman that earns a salary to purchase berries in a store?
What separates the construction worker from the hunter, both relying on their physical mastery of specific skills to secure their sustenance and comfort?
I don't see what falls in and out of the idea of NPC.
>values degeneracy and its opposite, purity
>values productivity and unproductivity
>values greed and generosity
>values "a strong society" which translates to fear of loss of quality of life
Eh, idk. If people are NPCs I don't see how you would stand out. Your ideals are easily found in just about anyone and don't seem to be examined by yourself to form much of a cohesive whole.
Who are the free-thinkers? What separates the berry-picker from the mailman that earns a salary to purchase berries in a store?
What separates the construction worker from the hunter, both relying on their physical mastery of specific skills to secure their sustenance and comfort?
I don't see what falls in and out of the idea of NPC.
>>197407
NPC is anybody whom I don't agree with, also synonymous with big dum-dum poopyhead.
NPC is anybody whom I don't agree with, also synonymous with big dum-dum poopyhead.
>>197407
npc is when you don't hate niggers and jews. like wtf actual cattle that s so cringne man
npc is when you don't hate niggers and jews. like wtf actual cattle that s so cringne man
>>197407
OP is another loser who subscribes to a Superman ideology to feel better about himself. And this theory is so effective on these twits because it’s entirely baseless. All other Superman theories usually have some minor thing they are based, usually religion, race, sex, or personal achievement. But NPC theory says that anyone can be the main character, you just have to think. They’ve made up this nebulous “soul” that NPCs lack (when they themselves are too retarded to come up with a better term than one stolen from RPGs) to make an arbitrary dividing line between the good free thinkers (us) and the automatons (them).
OP is another loser who subscribes to a Superman ideology to feel better about himself. And this theory is so effective on these twits because it’s entirely baseless. All other Superman theories usually have some minor thing they are based, usually religion, race, sex, or personal achievement. But NPC theory says that anyone can be the main character, you just have to think. They’ve made up this nebulous “soul” that NPCs lack (when they themselves are too retarded to come up with a better term than one stolen from RPGs) to make an arbitrary dividing line between the good free thinkers (us) and the automatons (them).
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>>197240
This is pretty difficult to reason about due to the number of moving parts
On one hand the agricultural revolution produced degenerate humans, this is observable in the fossil and genetic record along with all our current ailments, but on the other hand this degenerate humanity was more deceptive, cunning, more warlike and ruthless than their hunter-gatherer counterparts. Their art changed from naive paintings of wandering wildebeest to abstract horrors spun out of their own minds. More recently the policies of democracies (in an effort to cultivate all the worst instincts in their populations) have had unintended biological consequences, such as mass immigration producing further genetic distancing and racial stratification. Today new ethoi are developing and exerting power across South America and Oceania precisely because the process of miscegenation has already taken its course and concluded
In cultural terms NPCification has advantages and disadvantages. The suppressive cultural affect and inability of those people to think outside narrow parameters grants more intellectual territory to everyone else. If this narrow view becomes reified into the power structure it becomes proportionately more unstable and subject to attack from all directions
We can imagine pass a certain inflection point the species losing the potential to produce novelty, but this also creates a still pool of possibilities that's easy to disturb, and we can imagine a further regress into sludge: but that only opens the door for new organisms to take our place
This is pretty difficult to reason about due to the number of moving parts
On one hand the agricultural revolution produced degenerate humans, this is observable in the fossil and genetic record along with all our current ailments, but on the other hand this degenerate humanity was more deceptive, cunning, more warlike and ruthless than their hunter-gatherer counterparts. Their art changed from naive paintings of wandering wildebeest to abstract horrors spun out of their own minds. More recently the policies of democracies (in an effort to cultivate all the worst instincts in their populations) have had unintended biological consequences, such as mass immigration producing further genetic distancing and racial stratification. Today new ethoi are developing and exerting power across South America and Oceania precisely because the process of miscegenation has already taken its course and concluded
In cultural terms NPCification has advantages and disadvantages. The suppressive cultural affect and inability of those people to think outside narrow parameters grants more intellectual territory to everyone else. If this narrow view becomes reified into the power structure it becomes proportionately more unstable and subject to attack from all directions
We can imagine pass a certain inflection point the species losing the potential to produce novelty, but this also creates a still pool of possibilities that's easy to disturb, and we can imagine a further regress into sludge: but that only opens the door for new organisms to take our place
It's just rediscovering the hylic/psychic/pneumatic or pasu/virya/devya divition of men all over again.
After quickly running through this thread my thoughts are as follows. Everyone likes to think of himself as special Superman material. Normals like to play around with the idea of how 'weird' they are (of course as long as that 'weirdness' is within socially accepted limits) or how they are superior compared to others while really they aren't.
But to say that superior/unique people don't exist is wrong. And also, the whole line of thinking that only allows someone to be special if he is socially awarded or has some special status or is considered successful in some way by mainstream society belongs to the trash. We saw during history many times examples when mainstream society and the majority didn't reward greatness but actually oppressed it and got rid of superior people on the excuse of some moral duty.
Wanting to be considered successful by the majority, desiring high rank, awards and status, always trying to be better than others constantly…this betrays an inferior person, not a superior person. A truly great individual knows his own talents and values himself very highly, he doesn't need awards, titles and rewards from anyone. A great individual doesn't strive to be great because he is already exceptional and he knows this. Money, fame, social acceptance, influence…these don't matter anything as I said because plenty of talentless idiots and retards had these during history.
The voices of negativity in this thread all come from people who are dissatisfied with themselves and can't love/respect themselves. If someone doesn't understand how special he himself is and can't accept himself then he indeed isn't cut out to be a Superman. The first step towards being a Superman starts with knowing your superiority or in other words having a healthy amount of confidence in oneself.
Imageboards are filled with people who read philosophy or research occult/political/economical/psychological stuff. To this I'll say that being well-read doesn't have anything to do with being superior or wise in any way. You can quote numerous philosophers but you forgot to think for yourself in the process and don't have any personal opinions. You are a scholar, a researcher, a librarian certainly but not an intellectual. Intellectualism starts when you are ready to attack everyone's opinions, no matter who they were. Parroting dead men's opinions isn't genuine philosophy.
But to say that superior/unique people don't exist is wrong. And also, the whole line of thinking that only allows someone to be special if he is socially awarded or has some special status or is considered successful in some way by mainstream society belongs to the trash. We saw during history many times examples when mainstream society and the majority didn't reward greatness but actually oppressed it and got rid of superior people on the excuse of some moral duty.
Wanting to be considered successful by the majority, desiring high rank, awards and status, always trying to be better than others constantly…this betrays an inferior person, not a superior person. A truly great individual knows his own talents and values himself very highly, he doesn't need awards, titles and rewards from anyone. A great individual doesn't strive to be great because he is already exceptional and he knows this. Money, fame, social acceptance, influence…these don't matter anything as I said because plenty of talentless idiots and retards had these during history.
The voices of negativity in this thread all come from people who are dissatisfied with themselves and can't love/respect themselves. If someone doesn't understand how special he himself is and can't accept himself then he indeed isn't cut out to be a Superman. The first step towards being a Superman starts with knowing your superiority or in other words having a healthy amount of confidence in oneself.
Imageboards are filled with people who read philosophy or research occult/political/economical/psychological stuff. To this I'll say that being well-read doesn't have anything to do with being superior or wise in any way. You can quote numerous philosophers but you forgot to think for yourself in the process and don't have any personal opinions. You are a scholar, a researcher, a librarian certainly but not an intellectual. Intellectualism starts when you are ready to attack everyone's opinions, no matter who they were. Parroting dead men's opinions isn't genuine philosophy.
>>197432
>And also, the whole line of thinking that only allows someone to be special if he is socially awarded or has some special status or is considered successful in some way by mainstream society belongs to the trash.
Wasn't what I said, btw. I simply said that if are good at something then it should be easy to show a product of that. If you're the fastest runner then you've probably trained for it and beaten others. If you're 'smart' then you're probably curious and have solved difficult problems or invented useful things. Believing you're superior needs to be rooted in evidence otherwise it's just delusional.
>We saw during history many times examples when mainstream society and the majority didn't reward greatness but actually oppressed it
Yes, that's true but it would be a bad idea to generalize this.
>Wanting to be considered successful by the majority, desiring high rank, awards and status, always trying to be better than others constantly…this betrays an inferior person
Not really. Many people like the idea of competing with others because it's a challenge. Of course people want to gain money and status because it leads to a better life. Why would accomplishing any of this denote 'an inferior person.' Accomplishing challenging goals above others shows the opposite quality. Your point is p ridiculous.
>A truly great individual knows his own talents and values himself very highly, he doesn't need awards, titles and rewards from anyone. A great individual doesn't strive to be great because he is already exceptional and he knows this. Money, fame, social acceptance, influence…these don't matter anything as I said because plenty of talentless idiots and retards had these during history.
This just reads like cope. A person who is only great to himself is really just delusional. Someone who is great in our market really has no problem gaining money, awards, social influence because they're just a natural consequence of their skill. Like, if I said I was good at business: would you take me more seriously if I was rich or I was poor? This is all I'm saying here. I take people more seriously if they have something to show for their beliefs. So I ask again: what makes someone like OP so 'superior' and everyone else 'cattle'? What has he to show that's so remarkable and upheaving? Or is it just a sad dude jerking himself off?
>And also, the whole line of thinking that only allows someone to be special if he is socially awarded or has some special status or is considered successful in some way by mainstream society belongs to the trash.
Wasn't what I said, btw. I simply said that if are good at something then it should be easy to show a product of that. If you're the fastest runner then you've probably trained for it and beaten others. If you're 'smart' then you're probably curious and have solved difficult problems or invented useful things. Believing you're superior needs to be rooted in evidence otherwise it's just delusional.
>We saw during history many times examples when mainstream society and the majority didn't reward greatness but actually oppressed it
Yes, that's true but it would be a bad idea to generalize this.
>Wanting to be considered successful by the majority, desiring high rank, awards and status, always trying to be better than others constantly…this betrays an inferior person
Not really. Many people like the idea of competing with others because it's a challenge. Of course people want to gain money and status because it leads to a better life. Why would accomplishing any of this denote 'an inferior person.' Accomplishing challenging goals above others shows the opposite quality. Your point is p ridiculous.
>A truly great individual knows his own talents and values himself very highly, he doesn't need awards, titles and rewards from anyone. A great individual doesn't strive to be great because he is already exceptional and he knows this. Money, fame, social acceptance, influence…these don't matter anything as I said because plenty of talentless idiots and retards had these during history.
This just reads like cope. A person who is only great to himself is really just delusional. Someone who is great in our market really has no problem gaining money, awards, social influence because they're just a natural consequence of their skill. Like, if I said I was good at business: would you take me more seriously if I was rich or I was poor? This is all I'm saying here. I take people more seriously if they have something to show for their beliefs. So I ask again: what makes someone like OP so 'superior' and everyone else 'cattle'? What has he to show that's so remarkable and upheaving? Or is it just a sad dude jerking himself off?
>>197472
Having original and unique thoughts, critical thinking, having revolutionary perspectives about life is something that can't be measured and valued by mainstream society. Awards and ranks are usually judged to people based on what a certain majority thinks of them. What if your ideas are seen as so weird that people can't appreciate them at all?
The difference between you and me is that you think being a Superman has something to do with success in a capitalist society or just in society in general. The axis your worldviews revolve around differ from mine. To me there is no rule that the Superman needs to live a comfortable life or needs to have high rank/power/money/fame. Or even that he should be considered as successful by everyone around him.
>Not really. Many people like the idea of competing with others because it's a challenge. Of course people want to gain money and status because it leads to a better life. Why would accomplishing any of this denote 'an inferior person.' Accomplishing challenging goals above others shows the opposite quality. Your point is p ridiculous.
Many of those people don't even care about what they are doing, only the awards and praises are important to them and the status they bring. People always seek what they lack. If someone doesn't value himself and needs external factors to feel good about himself then that betrays someone who is more suited to be a slave, regardless of his abilities and talents.
Kings don't feel the need to compete because they are already at the top. Those who want to climb up from the bottom value endless competition. And back to having unique thoughts, how do you measure them against each other? Is Plato superior to Nietzsche? Or is Jesus superior to Buddha? Is Marx superior to Hitler? I'd say comparing thinkers to each other is useless. There are no ranks in philosophy or any other ideological fields. You can have your own personal preference of course but you have to acknowledge everyone's merits when it comes to creating systems, values, philosophies and morals. These were great men, regardless of the fact you agree with them or not. Compared to most of humanity they were great. And who knows how many more great men existed who faded into nothingness and obscurity over the centuries? Indeed, maybe our noblest and biggest spirits died unknown to everyone.
>Like, if I said I was good at business: would you take me more seriously if I was rich or I was poor?
We aren't talking about business, again. We are talking about being creative and having unique perspectives which by definition can't be measured by society because they (the majority) reject everything that is outside the box instantly.
I don't know if OP is superior or not, I don't know him. That wasn't my point in my argument anyway.
>Or is it just a sad dude jerking himself off?
That's 99% of philosophers and artists basically so I wouldn't consider that and being great mutually exclusive.
>A person who is only great to himself is really just delusional
>cope
That's just herd mentality if you believe you need the approval of the majority to feel anything or think anything about yourself. You know what is delusional to me more? If someone believes he is god just because he received the attention of other small people like him and got some papers or awards about how cool he is. Plot twist I guess but society isn't interested in great men or people who have original thoughts, they just want to hear stuff that makes them feel better about themselves and life in general.
>Believing you're superior needs to be rooted in evidence otherwise it's just delusional.
Yes and to me that evidence is whenever I have to be around people or have to interact with them. I start feeling that they are trying to dumb me down, to me bring down to their level. No, I'm not talking about working class or lumpen people only. I mean educated and supposedly smart people too. My classmate from high school became a teacher at the philosophy department of the uni he attended. I talked with him online a couple of years ago and we had philosophical discussions. What I had deduced from these long discussions is that he doesn't have any original thoughts, ha parroted the mainstream neo-marxist narrative that is so popular in intellectual circles these days. He lacked a great deal of knowledge about one of the most important philosophers of all time, Nietzsche. He barely knew anything about pessimism and gnosticism. Keep in mind this guy is a teacher at philosophy department and received some awards and such for this and that. He had zero unique thoughts like I said and I felt that his passion for philosophy is nowhere near the level that I have for it. He pretty much enrolled in philosophy course and smoked weed and drank alcohol most of the time, he is the typical "intellectual" of our age but I guess it is too for all ages. He got where he is because he simply wanted a job related to reading and because he is the typical conformist normal. That's all I've got to say about "evidence" and papers, certificates, ranks, titles, etc. They aren't worth anything. And I forgot to mention that I only finished high school and never enrolled in higher education. I studied on my own about philosophy as a NEET and I very much owned this guy in most topics and discussions we had.
Having original and unique thoughts, critical thinking, having revolutionary perspectives about life is something that can't be measured and valued by mainstream society. Awards and ranks are usually judged to people based on what a certain majority thinks of them. What if your ideas are seen as so weird that people can't appreciate them at all?
The difference between you and me is that you think being a Superman has something to do with success in a capitalist society or just in society in general. The axis your worldviews revolve around differ from mine. To me there is no rule that the Superman needs to live a comfortable life or needs to have high rank/power/money/fame. Or even that he should be considered as successful by everyone around him.
>Not really. Many people like the idea of competing with others because it's a challenge. Of course people want to gain money and status because it leads to a better life. Why would accomplishing any of this denote 'an inferior person.' Accomplishing challenging goals above others shows the opposite quality. Your point is p ridiculous.
Many of those people don't even care about what they are doing, only the awards and praises are important to them and the status they bring. People always seek what they lack. If someone doesn't value himself and needs external factors to feel good about himself then that betrays someone who is more suited to be a slave, regardless of his abilities and talents.
Kings don't feel the need to compete because they are already at the top. Those who want to climb up from the bottom value endless competition. And back to having unique thoughts, how do you measure them against each other? Is Plato superior to Nietzsche? Or is Jesus superior to Buddha? Is Marx superior to Hitler? I'd say comparing thinkers to each other is useless. There are no ranks in philosophy or any other ideological fields. You can have your own personal preference of course but you have to acknowledge everyone's merits when it comes to creating systems, values, philosophies and morals. These were great men, regardless of the fact you agree with them or not. Compared to most of humanity they were great. And who knows how many more great men existed who faded into nothingness and obscurity over the centuries? Indeed, maybe our noblest and biggest spirits died unknown to everyone.
>Like, if I said I was good at business: would you take me more seriously if I was rich or I was poor?
We aren't talking about business, again. We are talking about being creative and having unique perspectives which by definition can't be measured by society because they (the majority) reject everything that is outside the box instantly.
I don't know if OP is superior or not, I don't know him. That wasn't my point in my argument anyway.
>Or is it just a sad dude jerking himself off?
That's 99% of philosophers and artists basically so I wouldn't consider that and being great mutually exclusive.
>A person who is only great to himself is really just delusional
>cope
That's just herd mentality if you believe you need the approval of the majority to feel anything or think anything about yourself. You know what is delusional to me more? If someone believes he is god just because he received the attention of other small people like him and got some papers or awards about how cool he is. Plot twist I guess but society isn't interested in great men or people who have original thoughts, they just want to hear stuff that makes them feel better about themselves and life in general.
>Believing you're superior needs to be rooted in evidence otherwise it's just delusional.
Yes and to me that evidence is whenever I have to be around people or have to interact with them. I start feeling that they are trying to dumb me down, to me bring down to their level. No, I'm not talking about working class or lumpen people only. I mean educated and supposedly smart people too. My classmate from high school became a teacher at the philosophy department of the uni he attended. I talked with him online a couple of years ago and we had philosophical discussions. What I had deduced from these long discussions is that he doesn't have any original thoughts, ha parroted the mainstream neo-marxist narrative that is so popular in intellectual circles these days. He lacked a great deal of knowledge about one of the most important philosophers of all time, Nietzsche. He barely knew anything about pessimism and gnosticism. Keep in mind this guy is a teacher at philosophy department and received some awards and such for this and that. He had zero unique thoughts like I said and I felt that his passion for philosophy is nowhere near the level that I have for it. He pretty much enrolled in philosophy course and smoked weed and drank alcohol most of the time, he is the typical "intellectual" of our age but I guess it is too for all ages. He got where he is because he simply wanted a job related to reading and because he is the typical conformist normal. That's all I've got to say about "evidence" and papers, certificates, ranks, titles, etc. They aren't worth anything. And I forgot to mention that I only finished high school and never enrolled in higher education. I studied on my own about philosophy as a NEET and I very much owned this guy in most topics and discussions we had.
>>197488
Pure cope. If your thoughts were so creative and unique you would be able to create things that were valuable to the world and have something to show for it.
Pure cope. If your thoughts were so creative and unique you would be able to create things that were valuable to the world and have something to show for it.
>>197506
>cope cope cope
That's all you people can say. It's not an argument really.
And what makes you think everyone wants to be "valuable" and to "show off" their talents? I certainly never had any interest in either of these. I was always forced to take part in competitions because parents or teachers pressured me to do so and I always got top places. But if left to me I wouldn't have competed at all because I never saw any value in it. I got some certificate that I was number 1 and that's it, I didn't think there was any worth in striving to be number 1.
Ambition is something that is far from my character. Yes, the "smart but lazy/not interested" cliché is actually real in some cases, like in mine. Teachers always bowed down before my intellectual talents and how I dared to think outside the box. That said, exactly because of this thinking I never saw any value in a career life or studying on. I realized that I look down on the majority, even teachers and that 99% of people are genuine retarded. Going to uni would have been a waste of time considering to get good grades you aren't allowed to think for yourself but have to parrot what your teachers and instructors think about the world.
Create what? Don't make me laugh. So that dumb cattle can enjoy my art or thoughts/writings? I don't want to communicate with most people and creating things is a way of communication too ultimately.
>cope cope cope
That's all you people can say. It's not an argument really.
And what makes you think everyone wants to be "valuable" and to "show off" their talents? I certainly never had any interest in either of these. I was always forced to take part in competitions because parents or teachers pressured me to do so and I always got top places. But if left to me I wouldn't have competed at all because I never saw any value in it. I got some certificate that I was number 1 and that's it, I didn't think there was any worth in striving to be number 1.
Ambition is something that is far from my character. Yes, the "smart but lazy/not interested" cliché is actually real in some cases, like in mine. Teachers always bowed down before my intellectual talents and how I dared to think outside the box. That said, exactly because of this thinking I never saw any value in a career life or studying on. I realized that I look down on the majority, even teachers and that 99% of people are genuine retarded. Going to uni would have been a waste of time considering to get good grades you aren't allowed to think for yourself but have to parrot what your teachers and instructors think about the world.
Create what? Don't make me laugh. So that dumb cattle can enjoy my art or thoughts/writings? I don't want to communicate with most people and creating things is a way of communication too ultimately.
>>197506
are you being deliberately dense? you've already been told over and over again that we're not talking about being superior to normalfags intellectually or artistically or in whatever other skill that may be valuable to them or the world. we're talking not being stuck in their single tiny narrow norman perspective that is never questioned and is seen as the ultimate truth. of course, a minority of normalfags do think for themselves and have multiple perspectives, so it's unjustified to call them NPCs, but they're still normalfags because their dominant perspective is the normalfag one. in fact, sucking at what normals value is propitious to breaking out of that diminute perspective into wider ways of thinking and feeling, but it's neither necessary nor sufficient (it at least starts being questioned and loses some power and legitimacy within one). many wizzies here are legitimately smarter than the average norman, but being turned into retards overnight wouldn't change anything in that respect, so that's beside the point.
>If your thoughts were so creative and unique
i don't think creative and unique are the proper words to describe the thoughts of those misfits who can be called wizards. they're certainly not the norm, but they're mostly the result of being different in some respects (which, as i've already said, may be being utterly mediocre at what normals value, so don't confuse it with saying being better than them), adverse experiences from being treated differently and like an outsider by normals, and the conjunction of these, among other factors, pushing one into thinking and feeling differently and in diverse perspectives. so it's that not one thinks differently because one is "creative".
>have something to show for it.
yeah, for example, being a "loser" 30+ yo virgin who doesn't want anything to do with those fucking normgroids and their world, that's an observable product of it. not an "achievement" in any sense that i can think of, normalfag or otherwise, but it is a possible product of this manner of being different from NPCs. anyone like that could scarcely be called an NPC. so if anything, most non-NPCs are probably "losers".
>cope
no, being different this way might even be worse in almost all respects. being an npc norman is probably much more advantageous and pleasant (though still with its own disadvantages in other regards that are probably unbearable to us). but even so i still would rather be as i am and would not have it any other way, even if normie npc life were to be much better in all regards.
are you being deliberately dense? you've already been told over and over again that we're not talking about being superior to normalfags intellectually or artistically or in whatever other skill that may be valuable to them or the world. we're talking not being stuck in their single tiny narrow norman perspective that is never questioned and is seen as the ultimate truth. of course, a minority of normalfags do think for themselves and have multiple perspectives, so it's unjustified to call them NPCs, but they're still normalfags because their dominant perspective is the normalfag one. in fact, sucking at what normals value is propitious to breaking out of that diminute perspective into wider ways of thinking and feeling, but it's neither necessary nor sufficient (it at least starts being questioned and loses some power and legitimacy within one). many wizzies here are legitimately smarter than the average norman, but being turned into retards overnight wouldn't change anything in that respect, so that's beside the point.
>If your thoughts were so creative and unique
i don't think creative and unique are the proper words to describe the thoughts of those misfits who can be called wizards. they're certainly not the norm, but they're mostly the result of being different in some respects (which, as i've already said, may be being utterly mediocre at what normals value, so don't confuse it with saying being better than them), adverse experiences from being treated differently and like an outsider by normals, and the conjunction of these, among other factors, pushing one into thinking and feeling differently and in diverse perspectives. so it's that not one thinks differently because one is "creative".
>have something to show for it.
yeah, for example, being a "loser" 30+ yo virgin who doesn't want anything to do with those fucking normgroids and their world, that's an observable product of it. not an "achievement" in any sense that i can think of, normalfag or otherwise, but it is a possible product of this manner of being different from NPCs. anyone like that could scarcely be called an NPC. so if anything, most non-NPCs are probably "losers".
>cope
no, being different this way might even be worse in almost all respects. being an npc norman is probably much more advantageous and pleasant (though still with its own disadvantages in other regards that are probably unbearable to us). but even so i still would rather be as i am and would not have it any other way, even if normie npc life were to be much better in all regards.
>>197518
> Yes, the "smart but lazy/not interested" cliché is actually real in some cases, like in mine
Yeah bro, you're the next Edison but you're just too lazy, amiright. This is exactly what I mean. You're full of shit. You think you're smart but have never done anything remotely interesting. I'm not saying anything about doing it to 'prove to other people.' If you had some 'superior' skill then you must have at least done it for your own enjoyment and have something that results from that. But this thread is just filled with people jerking each other off. Yeah, lads you're so superior to everyone else. A bunch of people who have never done shit but they're totally sure that they could if they tried. Fucking ridiculous.
> Yes, the "smart but lazy/not interested" cliché is actually real in some cases, like in mine
Yeah bro, you're the next Edison but you're just too lazy, amiright. This is exactly what I mean. You're full of shit. You think you're smart but have never done anything remotely interesting. I'm not saying anything about doing it to 'prove to other people.' If you had some 'superior' skill then you must have at least done it for your own enjoyment and have something that results from that. But this thread is just filled with people jerking each other off. Yeah, lads you're so superior to everyone else. A bunch of people who have never done shit but they're totally sure that they could if they tried. Fucking ridiculous.
>>197535
It's irrelevant what I could have done or could have been if I acted differently. I'm not talking about what if…scenarios, I'm talking about the here and now. And the fact is I'm superior to most people out there intellectually when it comes to thinking for yourself. Not that it's a hard thing to accomplish considering how retarded the average person is or that I deserve any credit for what I'm since I'm just the product of God like everything else is, there was never any free will in the equation, I did-do whatever was-is my role in life.
My point was never that I could live the superior life if I wanted to but that I'm already living the superior life right now. It's impossible to be anyone else than yourself, you can't deny your destiny. I tried to ignore it for a while and to pretend that I was the same as everyone else but I'm clearly not. I don't know why that bothers you so much? Probably because you are upset by your own inferiority and your place in existence.
>You think you're smart but have never done anything remotely interesting. I'm not saying anything about doing it to 'prove to other people.' If you had some 'superior' skill then you must have at least done it for your own enjoyment and have something that results from that.
I think a lot. Thinking is my talent. And putting my thoughts into words. I can express myself much better than the majority. I also have superior memorization skills. Not to mention my personal charisma which helped me out countless times before. Whenever I talk with others they instantly want to make me into a leader of some sort, be it a small group or a big group. Of course I decline usually because I don't bother with other people's stuff. I naturally attract other people to me and they are ready to assist me in whatever I want them to. But I don't like others and I don't want to boss others around so I chose to be a lone wolf. God is my only companion and the only one I need.
So I'm afraid I can't show you any herd certificate or award that I am a superior person officially. The state, church or community didn't permit me be to superior and I guess that is all you seriously care about, what other people think about you. Sad!
>>197524
I don't think it's just about thinking outside the box or not, being odd or not. I genuinely believe people like us are superior to others. One reason is that our numbers are very few compared to the majority. If something is rare in nature then it is much more precious. Another reason is that we don't operate on what is practical simply. Most people only care about success like the guy you and I talk with. They don't stop for a second to think there might be more important things in life than just living a comfy life and following trends.
It's irrelevant what I could have done or could have been if I acted differently. I'm not talking about what if…scenarios, I'm talking about the here and now. And the fact is I'm superior to most people out there intellectually when it comes to thinking for yourself. Not that it's a hard thing to accomplish considering how retarded the average person is or that I deserve any credit for what I'm since I'm just the product of God like everything else is, there was never any free will in the equation, I did-do whatever was-is my role in life.
My point was never that I could live the superior life if I wanted to but that I'm already living the superior life right now. It's impossible to be anyone else than yourself, you can't deny your destiny. I tried to ignore it for a while and to pretend that I was the same as everyone else but I'm clearly not. I don't know why that bothers you so much? Probably because you are upset by your own inferiority and your place in existence.
>You think you're smart but have never done anything remotely interesting. I'm not saying anything about doing it to 'prove to other people.' If you had some 'superior' skill then you must have at least done it for your own enjoyment and have something that results from that.
I think a lot. Thinking is my talent. And putting my thoughts into words. I can express myself much better than the majority. I also have superior memorization skills. Not to mention my personal charisma which helped me out countless times before. Whenever I talk with others they instantly want to make me into a leader of some sort, be it a small group or a big group. Of course I decline usually because I don't bother with other people's stuff. I naturally attract other people to me and they are ready to assist me in whatever I want them to. But I don't like others and I don't want to boss others around so I chose to be a lone wolf. God is my only companion and the only one I need.
So I'm afraid I can't show you any herd certificate or award that I am a superior person officially. The state, church or community didn't permit me be to superior and I guess that is all you seriously care about, what other people think about you. Sad!
>>197524
I don't think it's just about thinking outside the box or not, being odd or not. I genuinely believe people like us are superior to others. One reason is that our numbers are very few compared to the majority. If something is rare in nature then it is much more precious. Another reason is that we don't operate on what is practical simply. Most people only care about success like the guy you and I talk with. They don't stop for a second to think there might be more important things in life than just living a comfy life and following trends.
>>197551
Really cringe post with a bunch more bullshit and no substance. Protip to you and the OP: people do have value and have plenty of original thoughts. Thinking that the masses are just drones for being normies is pure neckbeard fantasy. Truly, only the most delusional person could make-believe that being a crab failure actually makes them superior to other people. And I use the word crab specifically because the vast majority of people here aren't here by choice. To the few that are: I apologize to them.
Really cringe post with a bunch more bullshit and no substance. Protip to you and the OP: people do have value and have plenty of original thoughts. Thinking that the masses are just drones for being normies is pure neckbeard fantasy. Truly, only the most delusional person could make-believe that being a crab failure actually makes them superior to other people. And I use the word crab specifically because the vast majority of people here aren't here by choice. To the few that are: I apologize to them.
>>197571
>cringe
>neckbeard
>crab failure
How did you find this place?
>people do have value and have plenty of original thoughts. Thinking that the masses are just drones for being normies…
So let me get this straight. You are a normal and you found this place and you got insulted that some people pointed out how stupid you are and how the way you live your life is objectively for subhumans? That or you are a failed norm who has to virtue signal HERE of all places on the internet how much he cares about the community and its values? Either way, you really expose yourself with your intense butthurt about how some supposedly "loser" people don't have low opinions of themselves.
Or maybe you are genuinely retarded and didn't interact with strangers for years and forgot how dumb normals are actually. Yes, they are dumb cattle. Anyone knows this who has to talk with them from time to time. Get over it.
>cringe
>neckbeard
>crab failure
How did you find this place?
>people do have value and have plenty of original thoughts. Thinking that the masses are just drones for being normies…
So let me get this straight. You are a normal and you found this place and you got insulted that some people pointed out how stupid you are and how the way you live your life is objectively for subhumans? That or you are a failed norm who has to virtue signal HERE of all places on the internet how much he cares about the community and its values? Either way, you really expose yourself with your intense butthurt about how some supposedly "loser" people don't have low opinions of themselves.
Or maybe you are genuinely retarded and didn't interact with strangers for years and forgot how dumb normals are actually. Yes, they are dumb cattle. Anyone knows this who has to talk with them from time to time. Get over it.
>>197574
Reading this thread is embarrassing. It's clear to me that you and others have zero self-awareness – and believe me this is a bad thing. Sometimes you can only gain insight by what others tell you. To do this: you need to be receptive enough enough to LISTEN. But this is a high-level skill. Most people don't have the ability to listen to negative feedback because of their ego. They get defensive and when they're defensive they will come up with excuses to dismiss feedback rather than take it as an opportunity to learn or grow. This entire thread is narcissistic and childish as fuck. lmao.
Reading this thread is embarrassing. It's clear to me that you and others have zero self-awareness – and believe me this is a bad thing. Sometimes you can only gain insight by what others tell you. To do this: you need to be receptive enough enough to LISTEN. But this is a high-level skill. Most people don't have the ability to listen to negative feedback because of their ego. They get defensive and when they're defensive they will come up with excuses to dismiss feedback rather than take it as an opportunity to learn or grow. This entire thread is narcissistic and childish as fuck. lmao.
>>197575
So you admit to being a tourist who just popped in to give us a pep talk about how it is bad to have confidence in yourself when society says you are a loser?
Feedback isn't worth anything. If you go by the opinions of others you'll only end up as a mentally ill wreck, like most succubi are. Because people are different you will receive various feedbacks about yourself. You can't construct an ego based on the opinions of others which contradict each other all the time. Only you know yourself well enough to determine your talents and weaknesses accurately.
>childish
>narcissistic
>embarrassing
What will be next? Calling us virgin losers, man? That sure would be a good argument in your line of logic, right?
So you admit to being a tourist who just popped in to give us a pep talk about how it is bad to have confidence in yourself when society says you are a loser?
Feedback isn't worth anything. If you go by the opinions of others you'll only end up as a mentally ill wreck, like most succubi are. Because people are different you will receive various feedbacks about yourself. You can't construct an ego based on the opinions of others which contradict each other all the time. Only you know yourself well enough to determine your talents and weaknesses accurately.
>childish
>narcissistic
>embarrassing
What will be next? Calling us virgin losers, man? That sure would be a good argument in your line of logic, right?
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>>197575
Honestly not only this whole site has become embarrassing. I'm with you, I just don't know how you have the energy left to even argue with people who unironically think they are superior by spewing this retarded shit online, man life is too short to be rotting here.
Well at least every time I see threads like this I am disgusted enough to go offline and better myself, so I won't turn into one of the bitter goblins that are roaming around on anonymous imageboards nowadays, and things will only get worse the more isolated the next generations will become.
Honestly not only this whole site has become embarrassing. I'm with you, I just don't know how you have the energy left to even argue with people who unironically think they are superior by spewing this retarded shit online, man life is too short to be rotting here.
Well at least every time I see threads like this I am disgusted enough to go offline and better myself, so I won't turn into one of the bitter goblins that are roaming around on anonymous imageboards nowadays, and things will only get worse the more isolated the next generations will become.
>>197580
>man life is too short to be rotting here.
I definitely feel that. It's actually incredible how little of substance or value is provided by using sites like this. I only use it out of compulsion at this point.
>man life is too short to be rotting here.
I definitely feel that. It's actually incredible how little of substance or value is provided by using sites like this. I only use it out of compulsion at this point.
>>197580
>>197586
>so I won't turn into one of the bitter goblins that are roaming around on anonymous imageboards nowadays
O divine irony!
It is you people who feel the need to drag everyone down into your pond of misery and self-hatred that are the real dwarves. You are so bitter that some people here dare to have confidence in themselves that you can't bear it. You grind your teeth and cry every time you read about a wiz that doesn't hate himself and wish for his own death. You have zero love for yourself, honestly you hate yourselves and you project this attitude onto wizards in general.
Funniest part? Get ready for the punchline! You probably feel very superior to us because you can pat yourself on the back and say that "well I'm a loser too but at least I ain't delusional like these people!" Talking with your kind is very entertaining for me. Don't stop. Some people just possess zero self-awareness.
And you don't have to come here if you dislike this place. Just visit one of the many r9k variations on the internet, you'd probably fit in just right on those places.
>>197586
>so I won't turn into one of the bitter goblins that are roaming around on anonymous imageboards nowadays
O divine irony!
It is you people who feel the need to drag everyone down into your pond of misery and self-hatred that are the real dwarves. You are so bitter that some people here dare to have confidence in themselves that you can't bear it. You grind your teeth and cry every time you read about a wiz that doesn't hate himself and wish for his own death. You have zero love for yourself, honestly you hate yourselves and you project this attitude onto wizards in general.
Funniest part? Get ready for the punchline! You probably feel very superior to us because you can pat yourself on the back and say that "well I'm a loser too but at least I ain't delusional like these people!" Talking with your kind is very entertaining for me. Don't stop. Some people just possess zero self-awareness.
And you don't have to come here if you dislike this place. Just visit one of the many r9k variations on the internet, you'd probably fit in just right on those places.
>>197612
There's a fine line between having confidence and self love and thinking you are a god who lords over the mindless automatons of the world.
There's a fine line between having confidence and self love and thinking you are a god who lords over the mindless automatons of the world.
>>197612
>You probably feel very superior to us
Yeah, in some ways which I consider important. Most of you aren't special exceptions from humanities mediocrity in my eyes. I'm sorry.
>You are so bitter that some people here dare to have confidence
When it comes to most people, their confidence just amounts to them being confidentally wrong. So i'm generally not a fan of it.
>visit one of the many r9k variations on the internet
You may as well be offering up to me a pile of steaming shit.
>You probably feel very superior to us
Yeah, in some ways which I consider important. Most of you aren't special exceptions from humanities mediocrity in my eyes. I'm sorry.
>You are so bitter that some people here dare to have confidence
When it comes to most people, their confidence just amounts to them being confidentally wrong. So i'm generally not a fan of it.
>visit one of the many r9k variations on the internet
You may as well be offering up to me a pile of steaming shit.
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>NPC theory
>strong laws to compell them to be productive and punish them for degeneracy.
Sounds like a failed normfag schizo-capitalist- materialism shit shaming NEETS attacking wizards for not being wagecuck slaves.
accusing them to be NPC and he is the true NPC Normafag by all standards. redefiniting "NPC" .
this thread is fishy nasty smell should be deleted .
Keep dreaming crab hope society falls on your fucking head one day, I will let you the productivity for you.
>strong laws to compell them to be productive and punish them for degeneracy.
Sounds like a failed normfag schizo-capitalist- materialism shit shaming NEETS attacking wizards for not being wagecuck slaves.
accusing them to be NPC and he is the true NPC Normafag by all standards. redefiniting "NPC" .
this thread is fishy nasty smell should be deleted .
Keep dreaming crab hope society falls on your fucking head one day, I will let you the productivity for you.
>>197612
Not really. This thread is full of schizos who secretly think they're profound geniuses compared to everyone else. When pressed for reasons why they think this all they can come up with is more mental gymnastics to dodge the question.
These people remind me of myself when I was younger and that's not a good thing. Maybe you enjoy thinking but you're not yet well read or skilled at anything. To make matters worse: you're isolated and with nothing to keep your thoughts grounded, over-time your thoughts become odd and detached from any problem worth solving. Maybe you also have low self-esteem so rather you decide to don the mask of le misunderstood genius instead of confronting what a broken and empty person you are. Maybe it crushes you to see this.
I think with more exposure to the world and time to develop real skills these people will eventually do well. But for now it's a sad situation.
Not really. This thread is full of schizos who secretly think they're profound geniuses compared to everyone else. When pressed for reasons why they think this all they can come up with is more mental gymnastics to dodge the question.
These people remind me of myself when I was younger and that's not a good thing. Maybe you enjoy thinking but you're not yet well read or skilled at anything. To make matters worse: you're isolated and with nothing to keep your thoughts grounded, over-time your thoughts become odd and detached from any problem worth solving. Maybe you also have low self-esteem so rather you decide to don the mask of le misunderstood genius instead of confronting what a broken and empty person you are. Maybe it crushes you to see this.
I think with more exposure to the world and time to develop real skills these people will eventually do well. But for now it's a sad situation.
>>197624
>This thread is full of people who think they are superior to others
>Better teach them all about how superior I am to them and how they can never compare because they're uneducated retards!
Good going lad.
>This thread is full of people who think they are superior to others
>Better teach them all about how superior I am to them and how they can never compare because they're uneducated retards!
Good going lad.
>>197626
Because your angrily screaming about how your inherent superiority by birthright naturally demands that others bow down to you is a great argument? Fuck off back to whatever shithole you crawled out of and go scream about your inferiority complex there, maybe then you'll find somebody willing to listen to your worthless posts, if only out of sheer boredom!
Because your angrily screaming about how your inherent superiority by birthright naturally demands that others bow down to you is a great argument? Fuck off back to whatever shithole you crawled out of and go scream about your inferiority complex there, maybe then you'll find somebody willing to listen to your worthless posts, if only out of sheer boredom!
>>197627
No one is saying that. You are imagining an enemy with completely different motives to myself and then getting butthurt about it. It's really quite ridiculous.
No one is saying that. You are imagining an enemy with completely different motives to myself and then getting butthurt about it. It's really quite ridiculous.
>>197629
Sure you aren't, maybe you can find more tolerant friends to listen to your grand advice on other sites? This site seems too filled with assholes to understand your genius.
Sure you aren't, maybe you can find more tolerant friends to listen to your grand advice on other sites? This site seems too filled with assholes to understand your genius.
>>197346
This. Being an NPC has nothing to do with how much you excel in the societally defined idea of "success." This idea is based on nothing more than what the elites (government, media, those managing the schools, etc.) want out of the individual - a "productive" person who "contributes to society."
You could be a millionaire with doctors and engineers for children and be a complete golem.
You could live under a bridge and think independently and seriously about society's problems.
>>197360
Nonsense. Being independent-minded or serious and a deep thinker has zero to do with number of awards, earnings, inventions, etc. Likewise with "products of their intellectual skills." It's not as if you have to write and publish a book and popularize it to be a non-NPC. The only essential "product" is what is inside your head and whether it is conformist or not.
That's not to say that I agree with OP's view. I think people like NPCs have been around since people have existed and that the main difference is that NPCs place unnecessary investment into delusions and foolish things. Nationalists, people who vote and have "faith in democracy," and conformists who pick up on and mimic the latest trend, including pseudo-rebels, would all be NPCs in my view.
This. Being an NPC has nothing to do with how much you excel in the societally defined idea of "success." This idea is based on nothing more than what the elites (government, media, those managing the schools, etc.) want out of the individual - a "productive" person who "contributes to society."
You could be a millionaire with doctors and engineers for children and be a complete golem.
You could live under a bridge and think independently and seriously about society's problems.
>>197360
Nonsense. Being independent-minded or serious and a deep thinker has zero to do with number of awards, earnings, inventions, etc. Likewise with "products of their intellectual skills." It's not as if you have to write and publish a book and popularize it to be a non-NPC. The only essential "product" is what is inside your head and whether it is conformist or not.
That's not to say that I agree with OP's view. I think people like NPCs have been around since people have existed and that the main difference is that NPCs place unnecessary investment into delusions and foolish things. Nationalists, people who vote and have "faith in democracy," and conformists who pick up on and mimic the latest trend, including pseudo-rebels, would all be NPCs in my view.
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Listen HERE, you under-whelming globules of brain-GOO. I am a friggin' GENIUS. Hoppity, hoppity goes the Wiz Rabbit down the labyrinths of abstraction. Let me take you inside the MIND of an ACTUAL real life, WIZ genius. When I was a lil wizkid (hot af) I used to stay up ALL NIGHT drinking WIZ COFFEE and reading books. These books were highly complex works that required a staggering IQ to appreciate. Works like Freud's treatise on Wizzing His Mother and Edger Allen Poe's Berenice. "In that chamber was I born. Thus awaking from the long night of what seemed, but was not, nonentity, at once into the very regions of fairy-land –into a palace of imagination –into the wild dominions of monastic thought and erudition –it is not singular that I gazed around me with a startled and ardent eye –that I loitered away my boyhood in books"
During the day I would go to goo-school where I sat among the blobs and jellyfish being force-fed their essential nutrition. But it was at night when my real education began. I started to go to forums filled with high IQ Wiz Chads. These were MADE Gs, and I wanted to be like them. I knew the only way to fit in was to take my studies to the next level. So I forced myself to read and practice until the AMs. AM to the PAM. PAM to the AM, funk. I was doing my spells like crazy. Eventually I did a ritual so crazy that it made the news. It turns out that one of my spells fell into the wrong hands and the norpers were after me. I knew I was in deep so I did the only thing I knew was sure to work. I closed Minecraft, and only too soon. I later learned that multiple Gs from the same forum were arrested. And that's the story of how I became el8, how my red circuits were used against me, and how I lived long enough to make it out.
During the day I would go to goo-school where I sat among the blobs and jellyfish being force-fed their essential nutrition. But it was at night when my real education began. I started to go to forums filled with high IQ Wiz Chads. These were MADE Gs, and I wanted to be like them. I knew the only way to fit in was to take my studies to the next level. So I forced myself to read and practice until the AMs. AM to the PAM. PAM to the AM, funk. I was doing my spells like crazy. Eventually I did a ritual so crazy that it made the news. It turns out that one of my spells fell into the wrong hands and the norpers were after me. I knew I was in deep so I did the only thing I knew was sure to work. I closed Minecraft, and only too soon. I later learned that multiple Gs from the same forum were arrested. And that's the story of how I became el8, how my red circuits were used against me, and how I lived long enough to make it out.
>>197613
Nobody is pretending to be god here, though. Most people are mindless automations, that part is right. Their main concerns in life include sexuality, eating, wageslaving, partying (which is just a necessary step to fulfill their mating rituals), competing with others about who is the biggest normal and who follows trends and cattle morality the most. I could list numerous petty things like that. Most people do things without thinking about why they even do said things. If you believe 99% of people are capable of critical thinking then you are in for a rude awakening.
>>197619
>You may as well be offering up to me a pile of steaming shit.
Exactly why I said you'd fit right in there. You seem to share the same values as normals or failed normals so I believe you'd feel better in those places.
>>197624
>This thread is full of schizos who secretly think they're profound geniuses compared to everyone else. When pressed for reasons why they think this all they can come up with is more mental gymnastics to dodge the question.
I already explained why I consider myself to be different from others and gave you numerous examples from my own life yet you continue to dismiss everything as either lies or schizo ramblings or mental gymnastics. Nobody is dodging anything, you just refuse to even entertain the thought that some people here are superior to others. Not everyone is a failed norm like you, you should start out with this in mind.
>genius
We discussed this too. We aren't really claiming to be genius in the sense that Einstein was.
People I consider to be Übermensch include Gilles de Rais, Ted Bundy, Schopenhauer, Jesus of Nazareth, Spartacus. Just a few example. As you can see they vary greatly and differ from each other to a vast extent yet they all had that special something - which you lack - which we should call anti-cattle thinking.
The genius isn't defined by his academic standing or his IQ level or his contribution to society or culture. He is defined by his own unique style, charisma and perspective about existence.
>what a broken and empty person you are
What an incredibly npc-like, cattle-tier, narrow minded view you have. What you said and being a genius aren't mutually exclusive things. Most interesting or great men always had some traumas or defects when it came to personality. Your flaws don't take away from your superiority but add to your charm.
>you're not yet well read or skilled at anything
As I said, being well read or skilled at something don't make anyone a genius. To be a genius is to think along different values than the majority do.
>you're isolated and with nothing to keep your thoughts grounded, over-time your thoughts become odd and detached from any problem worth solving
You don't need to solve any problems, again stop already with the foolish herd mentality. You are a broken record, you can only repeat what society tells you about its ideal superior man, which is retarded to being with. Can't you think for yourself?
Also, you are a coward. You are afraid of yourself so much. That is why you are afraid of isolation, same goes for normals too. Because in isolation you are alone with your thoughts and feelings and you might actually start your awakening from conventional norms and values but no…that's too scary a thought for a slave like you. You are the untermensch incarnated.
>I think with more exposure to the world and time to develop real skills these people will eventually do well.
We are already doing well. What you personally mean under "doing well"? Being useful to the community, adhering to social norms and morals, wageslaving, living the family life? I don't think any of us wants that unless he is a failed norm like you.
Nobody is pretending to be god here, though. Most people are mindless automations, that part is right. Their main concerns in life include sexuality, eating, wageslaving, partying (which is just a necessary step to fulfill their mating rituals), competing with others about who is the biggest normal and who follows trends and cattle morality the most. I could list numerous petty things like that. Most people do things without thinking about why they even do said things. If you believe 99% of people are capable of critical thinking then you are in for a rude awakening.
>>197619
>You may as well be offering up to me a pile of steaming shit.
Exactly why I said you'd fit right in there. You seem to share the same values as normals or failed normals so I believe you'd feel better in those places.
>>197624
>This thread is full of schizos who secretly think they're profound geniuses compared to everyone else. When pressed for reasons why they think this all they can come up with is more mental gymnastics to dodge the question.
I already explained why I consider myself to be different from others and gave you numerous examples from my own life yet you continue to dismiss everything as either lies or schizo ramblings or mental gymnastics. Nobody is dodging anything, you just refuse to even entertain the thought that some people here are superior to others. Not everyone is a failed norm like you, you should start out with this in mind.
>genius
We discussed this too. We aren't really claiming to be genius in the sense that Einstein was.
People I consider to be Übermensch include Gilles de Rais, Ted Bundy, Schopenhauer, Jesus of Nazareth, Spartacus. Just a few example. As you can see they vary greatly and differ from each other to a vast extent yet they all had that special something - which you lack - which we should call anti-cattle thinking.
The genius isn't defined by his academic standing or his IQ level or his contribution to society or culture. He is defined by his own unique style, charisma and perspective about existence.
>what a broken and empty person you are
What an incredibly npc-like, cattle-tier, narrow minded view you have. What you said and being a genius aren't mutually exclusive things. Most interesting or great men always had some traumas or defects when it came to personality. Your flaws don't take away from your superiority but add to your charm.
>you're not yet well read or skilled at anything
As I said, being well read or skilled at something don't make anyone a genius. To be a genius is to think along different values than the majority do.
>you're isolated and with nothing to keep your thoughts grounded, over-time your thoughts become odd and detached from any problem worth solving
You don't need to solve any problems, again stop already with the foolish herd mentality. You are a broken record, you can only repeat what society tells you about its ideal superior man, which is retarded to being with. Can't you think for yourself?
Also, you are a coward. You are afraid of yourself so much. That is why you are afraid of isolation, same goes for normals too. Because in isolation you are alone with your thoughts and feelings and you might actually start your awakening from conventional norms and values but no…that's too scary a thought for a slave like you. You are the untermensch incarnated.
>I think with more exposure to the world and time to develop real skills these people will eventually do well.
We are already doing well. What you personally mean under "doing well"? Being useful to the community, adhering to social norms and morals, wageslaving, living the family life? I don't think any of us wants that unless he is a failed norm like you.
>>197684
>You seem to share the same values as normals or failed normals
If my values were realized, it would lead to mass genocide and the extinction of sentient life.
I'll offer my opinion.
>To be a genius is to think along different values than the majority do.
I don't agree with that. Am I supposed to be impressed when somebodies shade of idiot is more recondite than average? People can hold whatever values they want, but if they're not exactly the same as mine, then they're worthless to me.
>You seem to share the same values as normals or failed normals
If my values were realized, it would lead to mass genocide and the extinction of sentient life.
I'll offer my opinion.
>To be a genius is to think along different values than the majority do.
I don't agree with that. Am I supposed to be impressed when somebodies shade of idiot is more recondite than average? People can hold whatever values they want, but if they're not exactly the same as mine, then they're worthless to me.
>>197684
>Gilles de Rais
Accomplished warrior
>Ted Bundy
Accomplished hunter
>Schopenhauer
Famous philosopher
>Spartacus
Accomplished warrior
>Jesus of Nazareth
Literally a god…
>You
"I like to write about how I'm superior to others on the Internet and that makes me superior"
>Gilles de Rais
Accomplished warrior
>Ted Bundy
Accomplished hunter
>Schopenhauer
Famous philosopher
>Spartacus
Accomplished warrior
>Jesus of Nazareth
Literally a god…
>You
"I like to write about how I'm superior to others on the Internet and that makes me superior"
>>197708
obviously if they can even be named they are (in)famous and notorious in some respect, but it's not being famous and notorious or accomplished (by someone's standard) in itself that he means, so you're not hitting the point of his argument.
obviously if they can even be named they are (in)famous and notorious in some respect, but it's not being famous and notorious or accomplished (by someone's standard) in itself that he means, so you're not hitting the point of his argument.
>>197709
The point is that you need a reason to think you're 'superior.' Thinking your views are unique and special– and that it distinguishes you above others ALONE is not enough. Like I said: if the faggot OP et al had any kind of credibility then he would be able to do things that others could not. E.g. a good fighter would be good at fighting. A good intellectual would have solved hard problems. An original thinker would have interesting original thoughts (like inventions.) A good scientist will have made interesting or useful discoveries.
The question is: what are you and the rest of the 'superior' persons in this thread so 'superior' at? Where is the evidence? The answer is: there is none. Because the OP came to his hug box expecting people to praise him for being an outcast. But most people here are here because of a pathology and not because they are 'superior' in any way. I'm not going to sugar code it. I can't support delusional fucktards like the OP and there are plenty on places like this.
If you want me to hand out a gold star I'm only doing you a disservice. I expect you to earn being praised. Praising yourself and looking down on others is pure faggotry.
The point is that you need a reason to think you're 'superior.' Thinking your views are unique and special– and that it distinguishes you above others ALONE is not enough. Like I said: if the faggot OP et al had any kind of credibility then he would be able to do things that others could not. E.g. a good fighter would be good at fighting. A good intellectual would have solved hard problems. An original thinker would have interesting original thoughts (like inventions.) A good scientist will have made interesting or useful discoveries.
The question is: what are you and the rest of the 'superior' persons in this thread so 'superior' at? Where is the evidence? The answer is: there is none. Because the OP came to his hug box expecting people to praise him for being an outcast. But most people here are here because of a pathology and not because they are 'superior' in any way. I'm not going to sugar code it. I can't support delusional fucktards like the OP and there are plenty on places like this.
If you want me to hand out a gold star I'm only doing you a disservice. I expect you to earn being praised. Praising yourself and looking down on others is pure faggotry.
>>197710
Your bringing in of superiority and inferiority is unrelated to the conversation at hand: whether normalfags are like NPCs or not. Superiority/inferiority is completely subjective, baseless bullshit and an aside from the main discussion being had, which is how normalfags are conformist and lacking in serious, non-mainstream thought.
As an example, I see blacks as superior to white leftists (in my ultimately baseless and subjective opinion) because blacks seem less conditioned and like they've had to face the real world of issues like poverty and crime rather than being sheltered from it. Yet others could argue that white leftists are more "superior" due to being "socially aware," yearning for "social justice," being more productive and docile, and committing less crime.
You constantly try to shift the discussion towards this point of superiority/inferiority when it is irrelevant to the conversation at hand, trying to draw people in to arguing something that has nothing to do with the conversation so you can score a point.
You know how I see others? As cancer cells. I'm only a self-aware cancer cell - because my own nature is, just like with normalfags, a disgusting product of this society that wants to use me as an automaton and conditioned me so much that it would likely be impossible for me to free myself from it short of suicide - and I would - if possible - like to permanently and surgically remove all the other cancer cells and this very cancer cell, myself, from the healthy body that is this earth and the organisms on it that have not been brainwashed into culture and self-identity, have not been forced to fit into civilization, especially modern society, etc., all of which cause incomprehensible mental suffering. Sadly, it's not realistically possible as far as I can tell. This, combined with my normalfag-tier faintheartedness that many of us have (whether we want to admit it or not), has made me conclude that I will live in this world as is.
One can have unique views without considering one's self superior for them.
I suspect you're trolling. Whenever I read some of the posts on here, I think, there's no way in hell that a person like this would be tolerated on certain other (similar) sites that I browse. They would stick out like a sore thumb, and they would get the ban-hammer immediately.
I mean, just look at this:
>Because the OP came to his hug box expecting people to praise him for being an outcast. But most people here are here because of a pathology and not because they are 'superior' in any way. I'm not going to sugar code it. I can't support delusional fucktards like the OP and there are plenty on places like this.
What kind of wizard says this? Clearly, you're foreign to here, else you would not speak like this. I am too, but I browse similar places with less infiltration than here.
Your bringing in of superiority and inferiority is unrelated to the conversation at hand: whether normalfags are like NPCs or not. Superiority/inferiority is completely subjective, baseless bullshit and an aside from the main discussion being had, which is how normalfags are conformist and lacking in serious, non-mainstream thought.
As an example, I see blacks as superior to white leftists (in my ultimately baseless and subjective opinion) because blacks seem less conditioned and like they've had to face the real world of issues like poverty and crime rather than being sheltered from it. Yet others could argue that white leftists are more "superior" due to being "socially aware," yearning for "social justice," being more productive and docile, and committing less crime.
You constantly try to shift the discussion towards this point of superiority/inferiority when it is irrelevant to the conversation at hand, trying to draw people in to arguing something that has nothing to do with the conversation so you can score a point.
You know how I see others? As cancer cells. I'm only a self-aware cancer cell - because my own nature is, just like with normalfags, a disgusting product of this society that wants to use me as an automaton and conditioned me so much that it would likely be impossible for me to free myself from it short of suicide - and I would - if possible - like to permanently and surgically remove all the other cancer cells and this very cancer cell, myself, from the healthy body that is this earth and the organisms on it that have not been brainwashed into culture and self-identity, have not been forced to fit into civilization, especially modern society, etc., all of which cause incomprehensible mental suffering. Sadly, it's not realistically possible as far as I can tell. This, combined with my normalfag-tier faintheartedness that many of us have (whether we want to admit it or not), has made me conclude that I will live in this world as is.
One can have unique views without considering one's self superior for them.
I suspect you're trolling. Whenever I read some of the posts on here, I think, there's no way in hell that a person like this would be tolerated on certain other (similar) sites that I browse. They would stick out like a sore thumb, and they would get the ban-hammer immediately.
I mean, just look at this:
>Because the OP came to his hug box expecting people to praise him for being an outcast. But most people here are here because of a pathology and not because they are 'superior' in any way. I'm not going to sugar code it. I can't support delusional fucktards like the OP and there are plenty on places like this.
What kind of wizard says this? Clearly, you're foreign to here, else you would not speak like this. I am too, but I browse similar places with less infiltration than here.
>>197713
>superior and inferior is not related
>schizo literally sees others as 'cancer cells'
>thinks he's the only 'self aware' person
>views all his thoughts as special and unique
>not a value-judgement
k, ironically you're the least 'self-aware' person here. You can't see a foot in front of you. Your head is so far up your own ass. That entire wall of text to say literally nothing. You're one pretentious faggot.
>superior and inferior is not related
>schizo literally sees others as 'cancer cells'
>thinks he's the only 'self aware' person
>views all his thoughts as special and unique
>not a value-judgement
k, ironically you're the least 'self-aware' person here. You can't see a foot in front of you. Your head is so far up your own ass. That entire wall of text to say literally nothing. You're one pretentious faggot.
>>197713
To put it another way: Superiority and inferiority can be used correctly in narrow, unambiguous cases, such as judging one scientific theory in a field as clearly superior to another, but when applied to broad things like whether a group of people considers itself "superior" to another group, it becomes baseless because there are too many variables and arbitrary value judgments at play so that one could make arguments for both sides in the debate.
To put it another way: Superiority and inferiority can be used correctly in narrow, unambiguous cases, such as judging one scientific theory in a field as clearly superior to another, but when applied to broad things like whether a group of people considers itself "superior" to another group, it becomes baseless because there are too many variables and arbitrary value judgments at play so that one could make arguments for both sides in the debate.
>>197713
Name-calling is not an argument. Look at how you dodge! It's hilarious.
This is not Reddit. You can't brigade me on here.
Name-calling is not an argument. Look at how you dodge! It's hilarious.
This is not Reddit. You can't brigade me on here.
>>197714
Look at all the nonsensical, misinterpreted conclusions you draw from my post.
>schizo literally sees others as 'cancer cells'
It's an analogy, not a literal saying.
>thinks he's the only 'self aware' person
Far from it. And I never said self-awareness is superiority. It is even more unnecessary suffering, so you can see the conclusion of ultimately destroying myself -if I were not a coward - would follow from this.
>values all his thoughts as special and unique
I said uniqueness is not superiority. I never said all my thoughts are special and unique.
You love strawmanning arguments.
>not a value-judgment
You provide no context for this statement. But I do believe that my reasoning supporting the annihilation of all self-conscious life as an ideal is ultimately baseless because it is subjective.
I just introduced my own subjective bullshit opinion, that ideal, to show you that one can hold belief in the NPC theory while not seeing one's self as a superior. If I would like to kill myself because I have a similar nature for others and the self-awareness of this similar nature causes me even greater, more unnecessary pain, then where is the superiority in that?
Look at all the nonsensical, misinterpreted conclusions you draw from my post.
>schizo literally sees others as 'cancer cells'
It's an analogy, not a literal saying.
>thinks he's the only 'self aware' person
Far from it. And I never said self-awareness is superiority. It is even more unnecessary suffering, so you can see the conclusion of ultimately destroying myself -if I were not a coward - would follow from this.
>values all his thoughts as special and unique
I said uniqueness is not superiority. I never said all my thoughts are special and unique.
You love strawmanning arguments.
>not a value-judgment
You provide no context for this statement. But I do believe that my reasoning supporting the annihilation of all self-conscious life as an ideal is ultimately baseless because it is subjective.
I just introduced my own subjective bullshit opinion, that ideal, to show you that one can hold belief in the NPC theory while not seeing one's self as a superior. If I would like to kill myself because I have a similar nature for others and the self-awareness of this similar nature causes me even greater, more unnecessary pain, then where is the superiority in that?
>>197687
If you hold any semblance of common morality then you fail at being a genius. You don't understand the freedom and joy that comes with creating values yourself.
>>197708
Dodging the issue yet again, little worm? Let me be simple then: if Schopenhauer hadn't bothered to write a single paragraph then he would have still been a great man. Of course I can only mention examples that I know about and these are famous men always. But being famous isn't the same as being Übermensch. Schopenhauer could have gone through life without writing any book and he would have still been a genius. Same goes for the others. Jesus could have lived a simple ordinary life and he would have still been an exceptional man. Because these people thought differently. They held different values. They were value creating geniuses. They weren't great persons because of their deeds first of all. The deeds were the result, the fruit of their greatness only, added extras or bonuses. They were great because they were unique, they held uncommon values and opinions in their time and culture. That itself separates the wolf from the sheep.
>>197710
And the retard still doesn't get it how some people value thoughts and character more than practicality, usefulness, fame or deeds.
I gave you countless evidence from my own life in the above posts that I'm superior to others. It's not something I made up myself out of the blue. As a 4 years old I already discussed politics and history with the adults while others kids played around. What more proof do you need than this?
Yes, some superior people happen to choose the hermit life and a life of personal enjoyment rather contributing to society like a drone. What's so hard to understand about this? Being a friendless male virgin doesn't mean anything, it doesn't mean you are a loser by default, only cattle think like this because their values are herd values - social success, wealth, having many sexual partners, etc. These aren't universal values and you have a long way to go if you refuse to understand this. You are still drunk on the memes society been giving you since you were a child.
Read about Nietzsche's camel-lion-child analogy. You are still a camel and most likely will always be.
If you hold any semblance of common morality then you fail at being a genius. You don't understand the freedom and joy that comes with creating values yourself.
>>197708
Dodging the issue yet again, little worm? Let me be simple then: if Schopenhauer hadn't bothered to write a single paragraph then he would have still been a great man. Of course I can only mention examples that I know about and these are famous men always. But being famous isn't the same as being Übermensch. Schopenhauer could have gone through life without writing any book and he would have still been a genius. Same goes for the others. Jesus could have lived a simple ordinary life and he would have still been an exceptional man. Because these people thought differently. They held different values. They were value creating geniuses. They weren't great persons because of their deeds first of all. The deeds were the result, the fruit of their greatness only, added extras or bonuses. They were great because they were unique, they held uncommon values and opinions in their time and culture. That itself separates the wolf from the sheep.
>>197710
And the retard still doesn't get it how some people value thoughts and character more than practicality, usefulness, fame or deeds.
I gave you countless evidence from my own life in the above posts that I'm superior to others. It's not something I made up myself out of the blue. As a 4 years old I already discussed politics and history with the adults while others kids played around. What more proof do you need than this?
Yes, some superior people happen to choose the hermit life and a life of personal enjoyment rather contributing to society like a drone. What's so hard to understand about this? Being a friendless male virgin doesn't mean anything, it doesn't mean you are a loser by default, only cattle think like this because their values are herd values - social success, wealth, having many sexual partners, etc. These aren't universal values and you have a long way to go if you refuse to understand this. You are still drunk on the memes society been giving you since you were a child.
Read about Nietzsche's camel-lion-child analogy. You are still a camel and most likely will always be.
>>197723
>If you hold any semblance of common morality then you fail at being a genius.
I see. You care more about being contrarian than being correct. How boring. I don't see value or disvalue in ideas based on how many people accept them - I judge them based on their own merits, whether others hold them or not. Whether my values are popular or unpopular has nothing to do with it. Why would I possibly care about petty garbage like that?
>If you hold any semblance of common morality then you fail at being a genius.
I see. You care more about being contrarian than being correct. How boring. I don't see value or disvalue in ideas based on how many people accept them - I judge them based on their own merits, whether others hold them or not. Whether my values are popular or unpopular has nothing to do with it. Why would I possibly care about petty garbage like that?
>>197724
People nowadays talk negatively about being contrarian but that's a one-sided interpretation. Contrarianism betrays a healthy amount of fighting spirit and the desire for conflict. It is part of the anti-herd mentality.
>I don't see value or disvalue in ideas based on how many people accept them - I judge them based on their own merits, whether others hold them or not.
Since most people are idiots one can guess quite correctly most of the time that popular philosophies or ideologies tend to be aimed at mediocre people.
People nowadays talk negatively about being contrarian but that's a one-sided interpretation. Contrarianism betrays a healthy amount of fighting spirit and the desire for conflict. It is part of the anti-herd mentality.
>I don't see value or disvalue in ideas based on how many people accept them - I judge them based on their own merits, whether others hold them or not.
Since most people are idiots one can guess quite correctly most of the time that popular philosophies or ideologies tend to be aimed at mediocre people.
>>197810
>Since most people are idiots one can guess quite correctly most of the time that popular philosophies or ideologies tend to be aimed at mediocre people.
Yes, I agree with this. But even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>Since most people are idiots one can guess quite correctly most of the time that popular philosophies or ideologies tend to be aimed at mediocre people.
Yes, I agree with this. But even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>>197884
>So better avoid anything that surfaces from the bottomless pit of mainstream ""culture"".
Nah, I don't think that's necessary.
>So better avoid anything that surfaces from the bottomless pit of mainstream ""culture"".
Nah, I don't think that's necessary.
Wasnt the NPC meme a thing pushed by a certain Discord group on mainstream imageboards and subreddits?
>>197888
Sam hyde was one of the first ever people to come up with that analogy quite some time ago but I think the meme itself started on 4chan as well
Sam hyde was one of the first ever people to come up with that analogy quite some time ago but I think the meme itself started on 4chan as well
>>197888
It was a semi-meme occasionally talked about on /r9k/ way back in the day, like a decade ago. Then in 2017~ it suddenly got a wojak of it's own and started being spammed on twitter, becoming the current retarded meme it is.
It was a semi-meme occasionally talked about on /r9k/ way back in the day, like a decade ago. Then in 2017~ it suddenly got a wojak of it's own and started being spammed on twitter, becoming the current retarded meme it is.
i get the feeling that the reason why the people itt feel offended by the use of the term npc to refer to the mono-perspectival normabots that make up the bulk of society, is because they automatically identify more with them than with being a misfit wizard. these are the automatic reactions and objections i'd expect from the average person when they see this idea. they hopelessly miss the point, resort to applying the values and forms of interpreting of normalfagdom in their objections, and keep fundamentally misunderstanding no matter how much you explain it back to them, almost as if they were being deliberately obtuse. of course they can't and will never get it because you can't understand it only thinking inside the little normalfag box. only thing missing here is that one xkcd comic being linked, as if it were witty and clever despite it still missing the deeper point.
you can't argue with such people. you can't make the normabot get this because he just interprets and evaluates everything you say from the normalfag perspective, unacquainted with any other form of thinking and feeling. the discussions here are proof of that.
you can't argue with such people. you can't make the normabot get this because he just interprets and evaluates everything you say from the normalfag perspective, unacquainted with any other form of thinking and feeling. the discussions here are proof of that.
>>197918
People tried to explain to you why the idea was flawed and pretentious as fuck but you continue to cling to it. You showed that you value being a contrarian more than you value the truth. You're the kind of fucktard who intentionally chooses an opposing view to the majority so you get to feel superior by pretending that you're the only one whose right. I bet you also avoid any popular art or culture because you think you're above it. You think that by avoiding mainstream believes it demonstrates you're some kind of intellectual critic. But really you're just making a babyish intellectual mistake of generalizing that anything mainstream must be wrong.
There are cases where one might doubt a lay persons knowledge. Such as if you were to hold a contrary opinion on some highly technical subject you're an expert on. But you can't possibly be an expert on everything. Yet you think it's justified to doubt everything because you think you're so above everyone else. Face it: you, the OP, and others in this thread are pseudo-intellectual fucktards. You have nothing to show for your 'work.' When I point this out you claim that you don't have to prove anything. But I'm sorry – if you think everyone else is always to be doubted you must be very qualified to take such a stance and you're not.
People tried to explain to you why the idea was flawed and pretentious as fuck but you continue to cling to it. You showed that you value being a contrarian more than you value the truth. You're the kind of fucktard who intentionally chooses an opposing view to the majority so you get to feel superior by pretending that you're the only one whose right. I bet you also avoid any popular art or culture because you think you're above it. You think that by avoiding mainstream believes it demonstrates you're some kind of intellectual critic. But really you're just making a babyish intellectual mistake of generalizing that anything mainstream must be wrong.
There are cases where one might doubt a lay persons knowledge. Such as if you were to hold a contrary opinion on some highly technical subject you're an expert on. But you can't possibly be an expert on everything. Yet you think it's justified to doubt everything because you think you're so above everyone else. Face it: you, the OP, and others in this thread are pseudo-intellectual fucktards. You have nothing to show for your 'work.' When I point this out you claim that you don't have to prove anything. But I'm sorry – if you think everyone else is always to be doubted you must be very qualified to take such a stance and you're not.
>>197921
you're only proving the point i just made.
you continue to repeat the same objections over and over as if they hadn't already been responded to or been explained why they don't get to the actual point of the discussion. one can only be blamed for not having explained oneself well enough, but after it's sufficiently been done it's then up to the other to try and understand with sincerity. if we still haven't moved one bit from square one after so many exchanges, then this conversation can only be pointless.
you're only proving the point i just made.
you continue to repeat the same objections over and over as if they hadn't already been responded to or been explained why they don't get to the actual point of the discussion. one can only be blamed for not having explained oneself well enough, but after it's sufficiently been done it's then up to the other to try and understand with sincerity. if we still haven't moved one bit from square one after so many exchanges, then this conversation can only be pointless.
>>197921
>fucktards
Are you a redditor trying to get back at some of those wizchan 'crabs' who think they're so smart? KiwiFarms troll? Lolcow? What's up with your speech?
The way you talk and carry yourself about in this thread makes me strongly suspect that you're an infiltrator. I wouldn't expect you to get so animated over this NPC discussion and constantly feel the need to come back on here again and again and again when you've already made your point. If you were a hardcore troll, I would expect you to try and spread degenerate content and blatant subversion on here, but you seem really upset about the NPC point of all things and try to muster serious (but weak and obfuscatory) arguments against it.
Imagine spending so much of your free time coming to a site like this to talk down to the people on it. Is the irony of this lost on you?
The entirety of what you do is dodge or strawman, then claim that others are lacking in arguments and re-state your sham argument (that there must be practical products, like inventions, that come from being non-conformist) or put us all into one basket and smear us, as if the wizchan userbase is one person and we all think of ourselves as so superior.
The way you think is not conciliatory/understanding. Why would you come on here expecting us to change our minds through your proselytism if you're unwilling to accept and argue on the basis of the points that we make, having to obfuscate like Neo dodging bullets in The Matrix?
>You could be a millionaire with doctors and engineers for children and be a complete golem.
>You could live under a bridge and think independently and seriously about society's problems.
>Being independent-minded or serious and a deep thinker has zero to do with number of awards, earnings, inventions, etc. Likewise with "products of their intellectual skills." It's not as if you have to write and publish a book and popularize it to be a non-NPC. The only essential "product" is what is inside your head and whether it is conformist or not.
^These points are lost on you, but they destroy your argument.
>fucktards
Are you a redditor trying to get back at some of those wizchan 'crabs' who think they're so smart? KiwiFarms troll? Lolcow? What's up with your speech?
The way you talk and carry yourself about in this thread makes me strongly suspect that you're an infiltrator. I wouldn't expect you to get so animated over this NPC discussion and constantly feel the need to come back on here again and again and again when you've already made your point. If you were a hardcore troll, I would expect you to try and spread degenerate content and blatant subversion on here, but you seem really upset about the NPC point of all things and try to muster serious (but weak and obfuscatory) arguments against it.
Imagine spending so much of your free time coming to a site like this to talk down to the people on it. Is the irony of this lost on you?
The entirety of what you do is dodge or strawman, then claim that others are lacking in arguments and re-state your sham argument (that there must be practical products, like inventions, that come from being non-conformist) or put us all into one basket and smear us, as if the wizchan userbase is one person and we all think of ourselves as so superior.
The way you think is not conciliatory/understanding. Why would you come on here expecting us to change our minds through your proselytism if you're unwilling to accept and argue on the basis of the points that we make, having to obfuscate like Neo dodging bullets in The Matrix?
>You could be a millionaire with doctors and engineers for children and be a complete golem.
>You could live under a bridge and think independently and seriously about society's problems.
>Being independent-minded or serious and a deep thinker has zero to do with number of awards, earnings, inventions, etc. Likewise with "products of their intellectual skills." It's not as if you have to write and publish a book and popularize it to be a non-NPC. The only essential "product" is what is inside your head and whether it is conformist or not.
^These points are lost on you, but they destroy your argument.
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>>197931
don't feel the trolls, friend. You're wasting your energy on stupid NPCs.
They are just bugs for people like us.
See pic related.
don't feel the trolls, friend. You're wasting your energy on stupid NPCs.
They are just bugs for people like us.
See pic related.
>>197921
Your first paragraph is essentially right on the money.
>Yet you think it's justified to doubt everything because you think you're so above everyone else
I dunno, personally I think it's reasonable to remain (intellectually) agnostic on topics which you're not well-informed on (Practical concerns are a different story). But I guess you're not talking about agnosticism, but blatant contrarianism? Because if so, I agree that it's pretty anti-intellectual.
>You have nothing to show for your 'work.' When I point this out you claim that you don't have to prove anything.
All they're talking about here is a capacity for independent thinking. They're claiming that that capacity to think outside the constraints of the norm - in of itself - is valuable and sets them above persons who cannot do this. I'm pretty indifferent about the idea, and even more pessimistic about if it would even apply to most people claiming it, but that's what they're claiming. So results don't matter here, because they believe in an intrinsic quality of superiority for simply thinking freely. It's pretty petty stuff.
Your first paragraph is essentially right on the money.
>Yet you think it's justified to doubt everything because you think you're so above everyone else
I dunno, personally I think it's reasonable to remain (intellectually) agnostic on topics which you're not well-informed on (Practical concerns are a different story). But I guess you're not talking about agnosticism, but blatant contrarianism? Because if so, I agree that it's pretty anti-intellectual.
>You have nothing to show for your 'work.' When I point this out you claim that you don't have to prove anything.
All they're talking about here is a capacity for independent thinking. They're claiming that that capacity to think outside the constraints of the norm - in of itself - is valuable and sets them above persons who cannot do this. I'm pretty indifferent about the idea, and even more pessimistic about if it would even apply to most people claiming it, but that's what they're claiming. So results don't matter here, because they believe in an intrinsic quality of superiority for simply thinking freely. It's pretty petty stuff.
>>197931
>The only essential "product" is what is inside your head and whether it is conformist or not
so your entire hypothesis hinges on knowing something you cant know. if you want to know what someone is thinking, a good indicator is what they say and what they do, but you, a supposed real free thinker, has literally 0 outward indicators of being a free thinker. therefore its hypocritical to say that just because other people dont have outward indicators of free thought that they are npcs, because you are in the exact same position. people could interact with you everyday for years and not know that you have any special ideas or anything, so why do you take a glance at others and say theyre npcs?
>The only essential "product" is what is inside your head and whether it is conformist or not
so your entire hypothesis hinges on knowing something you cant know. if you want to know what someone is thinking, a good indicator is what they say and what they do, but you, a supposed real free thinker, has literally 0 outward indicators of being a free thinker. therefore its hypocritical to say that just because other people dont have outward indicators of free thought that they are npcs, because you are in the exact same position. people could interact with you everyday for years and not know that you have any special ideas or anything, so why do you take a glance at others and say theyre npcs?
>>197939
Imagine making this many assumptions at once based not off what I say but your own speculative inferences.
It's reminiscent of how whenever someone says, "So you're saying…" all that follows has nothing to do with what the person said. You build a monolith that has nothing to do with what I say, then say that it's what I'm saying.
>so your entire hypothesis hinges on knowing something you cant know
That's true if they don't communicate in any way. If they do communicate, then one can observe the contents.
>you, a supposed real free thinker
I never claimed this. Strawman.
>its hypocritical to say that just because other people dont have outward indicators of free thought that they are npcs, because you are in the exact same position
I'm not a hypocrite because I'm not a self-proclaimed "free thinker." I could well be an NPC, and I would argue that if there's an NPC spectrum, I am far from being all the way on the non-NPC/liberated end.
>people could interact with you everyday for years and not know that you have any special ideas or anything
True. I'm quiet in real life.
>so why do you take a glance at others and say theyre npcs?
Because they voice whatever the consensus of the state, big business, the school systems, state, etc., is, basically being programmed or sucking up to authority's opinion as a given and lacking awareness of this fact. This "they" varies. Being a normalfag is a spectrum, and a loud minority comprise the most fervent kool aid drinkers. They have been brainwashed and had this culture imposed on them, resulting in incomprehensible psychological suffering. Everything from their idea of success to nationalism to a sense of self to collective ideologies to the sham definition of freedom they've been brainwashed into to their concept of holidays to religion to the sacredness of voting and the idealization of a certain political system (whether it be democracy or authoritarianism) to consumerism to being anti-suicide to holding morals designed to benefit those in power and maintain the stability of the system to being restricted to words and language in experiencing/defining existence to believing in revolution or the attainment of "happiness," "bliss," "true love," etc. Contrarianism is, in my view, another form of conformity, just that it is a reaction to conformity with a new type of conformity.
I've been brainwashed too, and I am not free of my conditioning. Freeing yourself of all unquestioned dogmas you've been trained to believe from birth is a difficult task.
A curve ball I'd throw in is that being a "free thinker" in an absolute sense is impossible because your thoughts come from a collective thought/language sphere that society has generated over many thousands of years. Paradoxically, the most independent thinker would be one who does not think at all because his thoughts would inevitably be a societal product no less so than his attendance of church or his purchasing of the lottery.
Imagine making this many assumptions at once based not off what I say but your own speculative inferences.
It's reminiscent of how whenever someone says, "So you're saying…" all that follows has nothing to do with what the person said. You build a monolith that has nothing to do with what I say, then say that it's what I'm saying.
>so your entire hypothesis hinges on knowing something you cant know
That's true if they don't communicate in any way. If they do communicate, then one can observe the contents.
>you, a supposed real free thinker
I never claimed this. Strawman.
>its hypocritical to say that just because other people dont have outward indicators of free thought that they are npcs, because you are in the exact same position
I'm not a hypocrite because I'm not a self-proclaimed "free thinker." I could well be an NPC, and I would argue that if there's an NPC spectrum, I am far from being all the way on the non-NPC/liberated end.
>people could interact with you everyday for years and not know that you have any special ideas or anything
True. I'm quiet in real life.
>so why do you take a glance at others and say theyre npcs?
Because they voice whatever the consensus of the state, big business, the school systems, state, etc., is, basically being programmed or sucking up to authority's opinion as a given and lacking awareness of this fact. This "they" varies. Being a normalfag is a spectrum, and a loud minority comprise the most fervent kool aid drinkers. They have been brainwashed and had this culture imposed on them, resulting in incomprehensible psychological suffering. Everything from their idea of success to nationalism to a sense of self to collective ideologies to the sham definition of freedom they've been brainwashed into to their concept of holidays to religion to the sacredness of voting and the idealization of a certain political system (whether it be democracy or authoritarianism) to consumerism to being anti-suicide to holding morals designed to benefit those in power and maintain the stability of the system to being restricted to words and language in experiencing/defining existence to believing in revolution or the attainment of "happiness," "bliss," "true love," etc. Contrarianism is, in my view, another form of conformity, just that it is a reaction to conformity with a new type of conformity.
I've been brainwashed too, and I am not free of my conditioning. Freeing yourself of all unquestioned dogmas you've been trained to believe from birth is a difficult task.
A curve ball I'd throw in is that being a "free thinker" in an absolute sense is impossible because your thoughts come from a collective thought/language sphere that society has generated over many thousands of years. Paradoxically, the most independent thinker would be one who does not think at all because his thoughts would inevitably be a societal product no less so than his attendance of church or his purchasing of the lottery.
>>197941
>I never claimed this. Strawman.
>I'm not a hypocrite because I'm not a self-proclaimed "free thinker."
ok. i dont really care then, have a nice day.
>I never claimed this. Strawman.
>I'm not a hypocrite because I'm not a self-proclaimed "free thinker."
ok. i dont really care then, have a nice day.
>>197240
Why are you using "NPC" to mean normie? That's not what NPC even means. It's derived from Non-Player Character to mean people without an "internal experience" aka p-zombies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
Why are you using "NPC" to mean normie? That's not what NPC even means. It's derived from Non-Player Character to mean people without an "internal experience" aka p-zombies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
>>197959
>zombie
let's consider a wizzombie, someone identical in all observable regards to the average wizard, excepts he's not a virgin.
i personally suspect that a significant portion of the userbase are wizzombies.
>zombie
let's consider a wizzombie, someone identical in all observable regards to the average wizard, excepts he's not a virgin.
i personally suspect that a significant portion of the userbase are wizzombies.
>>197931
>You could be a millionaire with doctors and engineers for children and be a complete golem.
>You could live under a bridge and think independently and seriously about society's problems.
>Being independent-minded or serious and a deep thinker has zero to do with number of awards, earnings, inventions, etc. Likewise with "products of their intellectual skills." It's not as if you have to write and publish a book and popularize it to be a non-NPC. The only essential "product" is what is inside your head and whether it is conformist or not.
Maybe you know the story of Ramanujan. The dirt-poor Indian with no formal training in mathematics who did ground-breaking math. Or Chris Langan – the 'world's smartest man' who worked as a bar-tender. You talk about these weird edge-case exceptions and then use them to justify that no products of intellectual worth are necessary to show that someone has interesting intellectual thoughts IN GENERAL. But this doesn't mean you're like such a person, like an undiscovered Ramanujan doing ground-breaking math under a bridge.
You're full of shit. You have nothing interesting to show for your 'deep thoughts' because in fact your thoughts aren't deep and are completely worthless. FYI: a simple letter from Ramajan was enough for a prominent mathematician to arrange for him to be fully covered to travel to Cambridge. But let me guess: you don't have to prove your intellectual discoveries to anyone. And I'm the troll? Yeah, right dude. And these are the same people who think of others as 'NPCs' for the very same qualities that they themselves are unable to demonstrate. You're a fucking joke.
>You could be a millionaire with doctors and engineers for children and be a complete golem.
>You could live under a bridge and think independently and seriously about society's problems.
>Being independent-minded or serious and a deep thinker has zero to do with number of awards, earnings, inventions, etc. Likewise with "products of their intellectual skills." It's not as if you have to write and publish a book and popularize it to be a non-NPC. The only essential "product" is what is inside your head and whether it is conformist or not.
Maybe you know the story of Ramanujan. The dirt-poor Indian with no formal training in mathematics who did ground-breaking math. Or Chris Langan – the 'world's smartest man' who worked as a bar-tender. You talk about these weird edge-case exceptions and then use them to justify that no products of intellectual worth are necessary to show that someone has interesting intellectual thoughts IN GENERAL. But this doesn't mean you're like such a person, like an undiscovered Ramanujan doing ground-breaking math under a bridge.
You're full of shit. You have nothing interesting to show for your 'deep thoughts' because in fact your thoughts aren't deep and are completely worthless. FYI: a simple letter from Ramajan was enough for a prominent mathematician to arrange for him to be fully covered to travel to Cambridge. But let me guess: you don't have to prove your intellectual discoveries to anyone. And I'm the troll? Yeah, right dude. And these are the same people who think of others as 'NPCs' for the very same qualities that they themselves are unable to demonstrate. You're a fucking joke.
That peasant is still at it? He is quite obviously either a self-hating wiz/failed normal or a trolling/upset tourist. He can't accept that fat, smelly, autistic adult virgin men who live with their mom can have any positive traits or qualities at all. He's thinking like normals do.
Just look at >>197921.
>You have nothing to show for your 'work.'
>Such as if you were to hold a contrary opinion on some highly technical subject you're an expert on.
In his mind you can only be successful or good at something if you earn the approval of society or some people. He is what I call an intellectual cuck. He is afraid of standing out from the group, he probably believes in rule by majority, he cares about status symbols such as diplomas or "achievements". He puts a great deal of value on being useful to the herd and on "work". He is practical, materialist in the worst sense, can't see beyond his nose. He is the kind of guy that is perfect cannon fodder in wars and was made by the gods to pave roads, build pyramids or pick cotton all his life.
There is no reasoning with him or people like him. His last post is yet >>197968 again another rabid barking about how we must show some evidence or approval by society. He thinks we can only feel good about ourselves if we are useful or receive the stamp of approval from others. Maybe he is genuinely an autist, I don't know, considering how he goes on and on about his views despite telling him numerous times they are irrelevant to the discussion.
How does math matter? Being good at math doesn't mean you can offer any unique insights about the human condition or existence. It's like we are discussing how birds are great because they can fly and you come barging in here, angry, shouting "who the fuck cares?! can they swim? or run faster than a car? No? Then that doesn't mean shit! Only what I consider to be great is great!" or "yes but where is their certification that they can actually fly?!!! Did the animal kingdom gave them papers that they are good at flying? No?! Well it doesn't matter then44!"
How much lower one man can sink?
Just look at >>197921.
>You have nothing to show for your 'work.'
>Such as if you were to hold a contrary opinion on some highly technical subject you're an expert on.
In his mind you can only be successful or good at something if you earn the approval of society or some people. He is what I call an intellectual cuck. He is afraid of standing out from the group, he probably believes in rule by majority, he cares about status symbols such as diplomas or "achievements". He puts a great deal of value on being useful to the herd and on "work". He is practical, materialist in the worst sense, can't see beyond his nose. He is the kind of guy that is perfect cannon fodder in wars and was made by the gods to pave roads, build pyramids or pick cotton all his life.
There is no reasoning with him or people like him. His last post is yet >>197968 again another rabid barking about how we must show some evidence or approval by society. He thinks we can only feel good about ourselves if we are useful or receive the stamp of approval from others. Maybe he is genuinely an autist, I don't know, considering how he goes on and on about his views despite telling him numerous times they are irrelevant to the discussion.
How does math matter? Being good at math doesn't mean you can offer any unique insights about the human condition or existence. It's like we are discussing how birds are great because they can fly and you come barging in here, angry, shouting "who the fuck cares?! can they swim? or run faster than a car? No? Then that doesn't mean shit! Only what I consider to be great is great!" or "yes but where is their certification that they can actually fly?!!! Did the animal kingdom gave them papers that they are good at flying? No?! Well it doesn't matter then44!"
How much lower one man can sink?
>>197971
It seems like you think there's value in holding social, political, philosophical, religious (?) or other unscientific thoughts. lmfao, sorry but I don't. at all. and neither does anyone else. that's what I'm pointing out.
you think that there's some kind of higher value in having opinions and that they're all the more distinguished if they should be different than the majority (why again?) you even think this is thinking. but again, uh uh, no, opinions = worthless, unsubstantial bullshit. no different to picking a sports team or reading shapes in clouds. stupid trash like this i avoid.
i dont care about what you think about the news, politics, or other useless bullshit. none of this is useful to anyone. none of this objective and if you think this constitutes 'thought' then you really need to stop jerking off so much. there is no value in beliefs without objective truth. if there's no objective truth then it's useless to everyone. otherwise it can be demonstrated and no – this is not about approval but i can understand why you think it is given that your thoughts aren't about anything scientific. since you're dealing with social opinions you're just talking about beliefs but science doesn't care about your opinion.
there are other things that have value ofc, but subjective ideals, philosophies or whatever are worthless. having your own schizo opinions doesn't make you special or better than others.
It seems like you think there's value in holding social, political, philosophical, religious (?) or other unscientific thoughts. lmfao, sorry but I don't. at all. and neither does anyone else. that's what I'm pointing out.
you think that there's some kind of higher value in having opinions and that they're all the more distinguished if they should be different than the majority (why again?) you even think this is thinking. but again, uh uh, no, opinions = worthless, unsubstantial bullshit. no different to picking a sports team or reading shapes in clouds. stupid trash like this i avoid.
i dont care about what you think about the news, politics, or other useless bullshit. none of this is useful to anyone. none of this objective and if you think this constitutes 'thought' then you really need to stop jerking off so much. there is no value in beliefs without objective truth. if there's no objective truth then it's useless to everyone. otherwise it can be demonstrated and no – this is not about approval but i can understand why you think it is given that your thoughts aren't about anything scientific. since you're dealing with social opinions you're just talking about beliefs but science doesn't care about your opinion.
there are other things that have value ofc, but subjective ideals, philosophies or whatever are worthless. having your own schizo opinions doesn't make you special or better than others.
>>197921
>cattle tried to gaslight why heresy is bad
Spare me of this normalfag nonsense.
And shut up already.
>cattle tried to gaslight why heresy is bad
Spare me of this normalfag nonsense.
And shut up already.
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>>197981
Just like we don't care about your opinion and views.
Literally no one asked you and no one cares.
And you are literally proud to be souless automaton.
Just like we don't care about your opinion and views.
Literally no one asked you and no one cares.
And you are literally proud to be souless automaton.
>>197995
not the poster you/other fags are seething at, but please keep going on about reddit and throwing a tantrum at having your soul larp taken away. it's very funny to me.
not the poster you/other fags are seething at, but please keep going on about reddit and throwing a tantrum at having your soul larp taken away. it's very funny to me.
btw,
>soulless
>normalcattle
>tranny
>reddit
stock npc responses in this space at this point, funny you cry about me not mustering anything (when i am a different poster anyway) and this shit is all you can muster. keep the mental breakdowns coming, children.
>soulless
>normalcattle
>tranny
stock npc responses in this space at this point, funny you cry about me not mustering anything (when i am a different poster anyway) and this shit is all you can muster. keep the mental breakdowns coming, children.
>>197998
le progressive man here is responsible for the vast majority of the low quality/disruptive aka trolling content on wizchan.
le progressive man here is responsible for the vast majority of the low quality/disruptive aka trolling content on wizchan.
>>197999
so put up an argument or something. for the record, i dont think that poster is who you're thinking of, but a series of impotent one-liners shot off in quick succession in response is worse than not replying at all. i mean im personally fine with the low-effort rage because i think it's funny. just letting you know how it appears to me.
so put up an argument or something. for the record, i dont think that poster is who you're thinking of, but a series of impotent one-liners shot off in quick succession in response is worse than not replying at all. i mean im personally fine with the low-effort rage because i think it's funny. just letting you know how it appears to me.
>>197981
There is value in having original thoughts, my untermensch friend. You most likely got filtered by philosophy, had to drop Plato because you couldn't comprehend even entry-level stuff and now you come here to let off your frustrations. Huh, what a miserable subhuman. Truly, one can only laugh and shake his head at your folly and impotent rage. Also I will mention this but societies are always formed and governed based on someone's philosophy. So that makes philosophy the queen of human knowledge and culture. The only thing that can rival it is arts. Other stuff? Science, law, medicine, etc? All inferior.
>science
Again, what does it have to do with anything? We aren't having any discussions about how we are superior to others because we are great scientists, you try to derail the thread yet again because you can't add anything constructive.
>but I don't. at all. and neither does anyone else.
Then you are free to leave and discuss things with "anyone else". Most likely you don't even belong here so you'd be right at home on 4chan or reddit.
>none of this is useful to anyone
Being useful or not isn't the criteria to judge whether something is good, noble, beautiful or if it does have any value or not.
There is value in having original thoughts, my untermensch friend. You most likely got filtered by philosophy, had to drop Plato because you couldn't comprehend even entry-level stuff and now you come here to let off your frustrations. Huh, what a miserable subhuman. Truly, one can only laugh and shake his head at your folly and impotent rage. Also I will mention this but societies are always formed and governed based on someone's philosophy. So that makes philosophy the queen of human knowledge and culture. The only thing that can rival it is arts. Other stuff? Science, law, medicine, etc? All inferior.
>science
Again, what does it have to do with anything? We aren't having any discussions about how we are superior to others because we are great scientists, you try to derail the thread yet again because you can't add anything constructive.
>but I don't. at all. and neither does anyone else.
Then you are free to leave and discuss things with "anyone else". Most likely you don't even belong here so you'd be right at home on 4chan or reddit.
>none of this is useful to anyone
Being useful or not isn't the criteria to judge whether something is good, noble, beautiful or if it does have any value or not.
>>197240
>NPCs are absolutely real and are the vast majority of the population.
Proof?
>Because everything is abundant there isn't much evolutionary pressure on most people and they don't have to work or explore or develop themselves to survive.
They just consume.
So…wizards?
>heir easy habits become ingrained in the DNA of their line as they choose mates like themselves, and the predisposition to sloth and stupidity turns into genetic compulsion. This happens much faster than "science" anticipates, it only takes a few generations.
Proof?
>Agriculture and industry would be fine if there was anything else for people to do and strong laws to compell them to be productive and punish them for degeneracy, but so far the elite classes of various societies have been very weak and greedy favoring large numbers of slave-cattle humanoids and basically ignoring the necessity for sufficient men of quality, assuming that they themselves are all that really matters, when actually society depends on strong middle and lower classes.
If you hate living in the modern world where you can sit all day on your ass and make stupid posts on wizchan and still live an easy life, You can always join the Amish or become a monk.
>NPCs are absolutely real and are the vast majority of the population.
Proof?
>Because everything is abundant there isn't much evolutionary pressure on most people and they don't have to work or explore or develop themselves to survive.
They just consume.
So…wizards?
>heir easy habits become ingrained in the DNA of their line as they choose mates like themselves, and the predisposition to sloth and stupidity turns into genetic compulsion. This happens much faster than "science" anticipates, it only takes a few generations.
Proof?
>Agriculture and industry would be fine if there was anything else for people to do and strong laws to compell them to be productive and punish them for degeneracy, but so far the elite classes of various societies have been very weak and greedy favoring large numbers of slave-cattle humanoids and basically ignoring the necessity for sufficient men of quality, assuming that they themselves are all that really matters, when actually society depends on strong middle and lower classes.
If you hate living in the modern world where you can sit all day on your ass and make stupid posts on wizchan and still live an easy life, You can always join the Amish or become a monk.
>>198006
>proof
You can simply observe normalfags.
They indeed behave like wild animals or advanced npcs.
At very first glance they may seem like actual humans, but at father glance they are nothing but cheap and crude imitation of real thing.
>proof
You can simply observe normalfags.
They indeed behave like wild animals or advanced npcs.
At very first glance they may seem like actual humans, but at father glance they are nothing but cheap and crude imitation of real thing.
>>197998
>nno you
>y-you ttoo
How original of you.
And your samefagging is not convincing.
But not sure if retarded or merely "pretending" for attention.
>nno you
>y-you ttoo
How original of you.
And your samefagging is not convincing.
But not sure if retarded or merely "pretending" for attention.
>>198000
>personally
No one cares, no one asked you.
And you are not welcomed here, so why you are still here, again?
You have serious unwarranted self importance.
>personally
No one cares, no one asked you.
And you are not welcomed here, so why you are still here, again?
You have serious unwarranted self importance.
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>>198001
Pseudo-intellectuals getting blown the fuck out. Try reading a substantive book some time and you'll start to realize how full of shit you are.
You know what's sad. There is amazingly interesting things out there to learn about. All of it concrete and measurable. But people like you won't ever learn any of it because it has a learning curve and isn't always easy to do. So you turn to lesser content that makes you feel enlightened without the struggle. And you surround yourselves with other pseudo-intellectuals doing the same thing. And together you all delude yourselves into thinking you're being profound when really you're just sadly deluded. Even though it would be easy to fix. You would rather feel like you're doing something than undergo the struggle required to do it. Oh well I guess! Back to jerking yourselves off in the belief that everyone else is a mindless automaton and only you all can think critically.
lmao
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>>198001
Pseudo-intellectuals getting blown the fuck out. Try reading a substantive book some time and you'll start to realize how full of shit you are.
You know what's sad. There is amazingly interesting things out there to learn about. All of it concrete and measurable. But people like you won't ever learn any of it because it has a learning curve and isn't always easy to do. So you turn to lesser content that makes you feel enlightened without the struggle. And you surround yourselves with other pseudo-intellectuals doing the same thing. And together you all delude yourselves into thinking you're being profound when really you're just sadly deluded. Even though it would be easy to fix. You would rather feel like you're doing something than undergo the struggle required to do it. Oh well I guess! Back to jerking yourselves off in the belief that everyone else is a mindless automaton and only you all can think critically.
lmao
most ppl we overlook as normies and npcs have jobs, they are wageslaves. they dont just sit around and consume everything like black holes. the amount that dont have to work or do anything to survive should be a minority
i am nitpicking maybe, but it seems weirdly specific that you think these people are a majority of the population
do you think they all go to work, but it's actually a secret hangout and they do nothing and let robots work for them or something?
i am nitpicking maybe, but it seems weirdly specific that you think these people are a majority of the population
do you think they all go to work, but it's actually a secret hangout and they do nothing and let robots work for them or something?
>>198108
Normally I would have agreed with what you say, there are people out there like you just described.
But then there's the question of what is delusion and what is real. Being open to learning things could also make you open to learn the wrong things, what makes for a piece of information to be taken into consideration depends on the perception of the person reading it.
I get a sense here that you think that the things you know might be of more value than what others know, implying some absolute truth which just doesn't exist. The key defining differences between something information that you would consider to be correct, and something that wouldn't be considered correct, in your opinion, could be defined by its usefulness in being able to manifest those pieces of information into something productive and of value. And unless we're talking about things that can be learned which is related to manipulating physical things in the real world, requiring the exact same type of thought process to achieve that, then what has value and what is meaningful is entirely subjective.
You are not right by posting what you did, it could even be said that you are completely undermining the value of conversations between two individuals that could potentially lead to conclusions that wouldn't have existed otherwise. You are emotionally invested in something that should be entirely logical instead. Your post could be summed up as haha, retards, read a book like me because I am smarter than you and that's what I did. Your post has no value, and I would have been a better person without reading it because it is useless.
Normally I would have agreed with what you say, there are people out there like you just described.
But then there's the question of what is delusion and what is real. Being open to learning things could also make you open to learn the wrong things, what makes for a piece of information to be taken into consideration depends on the perception of the person reading it.
I get a sense here that you think that the things you know might be of more value than what others know, implying some absolute truth which just doesn't exist. The key defining differences between something information that you would consider to be correct, and something that wouldn't be considered correct, in your opinion, could be defined by its usefulness in being able to manifest those pieces of information into something productive and of value. And unless we're talking about things that can be learned which is related to manipulating physical things in the real world, requiring the exact same type of thought process to achieve that, then what has value and what is meaningful is entirely subjective.
You are not right by posting what you did, it could even be said that you are completely undermining the value of conversations between two individuals that could potentially lead to conclusions that wouldn't have existed otherwise. You are emotionally invested in something that should be entirely logical instead. Your post could be summed up as haha, retards, read a book like me because I am smarter than you and that's what I did. Your post has no value, and I would have been a better person without reading it because it is useless.
>>197432
Literally everyone think they are superior to someone else. Normies think they are superior to wizards, for example.
If thinking is all it takes, then clearly there is no NPC.
Literally everyone think they are superior to someone else. Normies think they are superior to wizards, for example.
If thinking is all it takes, then clearly there is no NPC.
>>199666
What makes for an NPC is the ability to predict what someone either does or thinks.
With this entire new thing about being connected to eachother, consuming the same videos and talking about the same things, be it through Facebook or Twitter, makes a lot of people incredibly bland and alike. Globalism is making people become exactly the same, I think that this is where the NPC meme came from, people who've become aware of this concept by living in it themselves.
Recently I've started thinking about not consuming anymore information in English because it's like everyone out there does and the detriment to this is that people who do become awfully similar to eachother.
It could be looked at differently as well, NPCs are part of a group of people who could likely be considered educated above the average person because of these same ideas being spread out and thought of, eventually there will be a point in time where everyone are born part of this group and there will not be as many individualistic qualities to people anymore. It's a double-edged sword with its own benefits and downsides.
What makes for an NPC is the ability to predict what someone either does or thinks.
With this entire new thing about being connected to eachother, consuming the same videos and talking about the same things, be it through Facebook or Twitter, makes a lot of people incredibly bland and alike. Globalism is making people become exactly the same, I think that this is where the NPC meme came from, people who've become aware of this concept by living in it themselves.
Recently I've started thinking about not consuming anymore information in English because it's like everyone out there does and the detriment to this is that people who do become awfully similar to eachother.
It could be looked at differently as well, NPCs are part of a group of people who could likely be considered educated above the average person because of these same ideas being spread out and thought of, eventually there will be a point in time where everyone are born part of this group and there will not be as many individualistic qualities to people anymore. It's a double-edged sword with its own benefits and downsides.
>>199667
>Recently I've started thinking about not consuming anymore information in English
I have started doing that too, since I known some other languages I can also use this to study them more. Sadly, there is a lack of interesting sites to have interesting discussing with people and I don't know much about other countries to know places like wizchan(sadly wizchan is not as good as before anymore). So I'm restricting to only read stuff in other sites for now and for now only things I enjoy[so retro vidya in Japanese sites, for example].
>Recently I've started thinking about not consuming anymore information in English
I have started doing that too, since I known some other languages I can also use this to study them more. Sadly, there is a lack of interesting sites to have interesting discussing with people and I don't know much about other countries to know places like wizchan(sadly wizchan is not as good as before anymore). So I'm restricting to only read stuff in other sites for now and for now only things I enjoy[so retro vidya in Japanese sites, for example].
>>199666
It doesn't matter what retards think, they will still be retards. On the other hand, a superior person is justified to feel arrogant and to look down on others.
Npcs do exist and they make up the majority. They only know how to breed and wageslave, otherwise they don't have any interesting thoughts and feelings whatsoever. You can't tell them apart from others. They are one and the same but in different forms.
>>199628
Wageslaves are npcs. Otherwise who the hell could tolerate doing mindless stuff for minimum 8 hours a day just to survive for another day of wageslavery?
It doesn't matter what retards think, they will still be retards. On the other hand, a superior person is justified to feel arrogant and to look down on others.
Npcs do exist and they make up the majority. They only know how to breed and wageslave, otherwise they don't have any interesting thoughts and feelings whatsoever. You can't tell them apart from others. They are one and the same but in different forms.
>>199628
Wageslaves are npcs. Otherwise who the hell could tolerate doing mindless stuff for minimum 8 hours a day just to survive for another day of wageslavery?
>>199670
>It doesn't matter what retards think, they will still be retards. On the other hand, a superior person is justified to feel arrogant and to look down on others.
Yet your argument is unable to decide who is the retarded and who is the superior since both are thinking they are superior.
I don't deny the existence of NPCs, I just can't believe in many of those that think they are not NPCs.
>It doesn't matter what retards think, they will still be retards. On the other hand, a superior person is justified to feel arrogant and to look down on others.
Yet your argument is unable to decide who is the retarded and who is the superior since both are thinking they are superior.
I don't deny the existence of NPCs, I just can't believe in many of those that think they are not NPCs.
>>197242
You're missing the entire point behind the NPC meme. Just because there are people out there who associate it with something inherently negative, doesn't necessarily mean that they consider themselves above others.
It's poking fun at the uniformity of a new type of people that are being created nowadays, there is no implication that says that NPCs are not successful people or anything like that.
Seems like you just want to put other wizards down.
You're missing the entire point behind the NPC meme. Just because there are people out there who associate it with something inherently negative, doesn't necessarily mean that they consider themselves above others.
It's poking fun at the uniformity of a new type of people that are being created nowadays, there is no implication that says that NPCs are not successful people or anything like that.
Seems like you just want to put other wizards down.
>>199671
You can tell who is npc quite well if you interact with them a little or spend some time with them. They can only talk about sexuality, sports, work, celebrities and parties. They don't have any interests or hobbies or if it seems like they do they only engage in them to get the attention of others (especially the opposite sex). All they care about is gaining more and more material luxury and cheap pleasures (sex, drugs, alcohol, eating) and rising up the social hierarchy in some ways. They never once stop to think about their life or existence in general, they hate to be alone with their thoughts and feelings because they scare them. They are hedonists but not the sophisticated one, only the savage/dumb/petty hedonist kind who can't see even a few meters ahead of them. All of their "opinions" need to be socially accepted on some level and they need some leader telling them what to think.
Of course as they get older the cheap material pleasures won't work anymore on them because they subconsciously know they are aging and because their dopamine receptors are usually fried at this point. This is when they get to around 40 most of the time. Mid-life crisis and depression and all that jazz. At that point they being drooling idiots they are will start to seek some answers and will probably find them in religions or spiritualism. They embrace J.Christ, Buddha or Krishna or some other nonsense and find peace by committing rape on their barely existing individual self. That or they get into politics with incredible vehemency. Doing drugs and banging whores get switched up with meditation and political crusades, the disco and orgies are left for the sake of the church or new age groups.
They are quite the pathetic bunch and if you are forced to interact with them my condolences. You can't discuss anything non-superficial with them or anything that goes against their social programming. The Untermensch is real and he lives among us, so much that you can't meet anyone but him once you leave your house.
You can tell who is npc quite well if you interact with them a little or spend some time with them. They can only talk about sexuality, sports, work, celebrities and parties. They don't have any interests or hobbies or if it seems like they do they only engage in them to get the attention of others (especially the opposite sex). All they care about is gaining more and more material luxury and cheap pleasures (sex, drugs, alcohol, eating) and rising up the social hierarchy in some ways. They never once stop to think about their life or existence in general, they hate to be alone with their thoughts and feelings because they scare them. They are hedonists but not the sophisticated one, only the savage/dumb/petty hedonist kind who can't see even a few meters ahead of them. All of their "opinions" need to be socially accepted on some level and they need some leader telling them what to think.
Of course as they get older the cheap material pleasures won't work anymore on them because they subconsciously know they are aging and because their dopamine receptors are usually fried at this point. This is when they get to around 40 most of the time. Mid-life crisis and depression and all that jazz. At that point they being drooling idiots they are will start to seek some answers and will probably find them in religions or spiritualism. They embrace J.Christ, Buddha or Krishna or some other nonsense and find peace by committing rape on their barely existing individual self. That or they get into politics with incredible vehemency. Doing drugs and banging whores get switched up with meditation and political crusades, the disco and orgies are left for the sake of the church or new age groups.
They are quite the pathetic bunch and if you are forced to interact with them my condolences. You can't discuss anything non-superficial with them or anything that goes against their social programming. The Untermensch is real and he lives among us, so much that you can't meet anyone but him once you leave your house.
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