How many of you Anons are assertive? I have great trouble offending, being rude, or upsetting others. It's terrible because I wind up in situations I really hate.
Do you know where your lack of assertiveness comes from? I feel like mine came from having an overbearing, violent dad. I was scared to ever speak my mind, and I never learned to speak up for myself. I guess I'm scared that people will react with violen e like my dad.
Is there a word for the opposite of assertive? I think I maxed out that skill. My main goal in every interaction is to be as invisible as possible, to produce as little friction for the other person and to leave zero imprint on their mind.
>>206207 I can't be assertive. I can feel bubbling, boiling rage inside me but I can't even raise my voice or do anything but sulk. It's a real problem for me.
I think it would be easier for me to calmly put a bullet in someone's skull than to raise my voice at them and yell
>>206217 >bitch No, that's not "the word" for being unassertive, and it takes a particularly highly socialized street nigger to think so. To be a "bitch" is to be an overly assertive female. Always has been. Stop getting your vocabulary from rap music videos.
>>206214 Someone who's overly submissive, doesn't assert themselves, and allows themselves to be used may be called a "tool" by most. Looking for a single word to describe yourself and how you may be negatively perceived by normalfags is lousy behaviour though. You're not a bitch, you're not a tool - you are you. And if there's something you do out of habit that you'd rather not do, instead of preparing yourself for the means words some random dickwad might call you because of it, prepare to respond differently in those situations to better reflect who you want to be.
Both of my parents were loners with no confidence and they weren't assertive at all. They were also very stuck up and generic and raised me like a total weirdo with no confidence.
I got treated like pure shit by other people for most of my life but I can't even blame these assholes since I literally let them do it. I was never able to say no or to speak my mind to anyone and any little competition or generic argument always turned out bad for me before it even started becuase I couldn't stand up for myself like a pussy. After years of going through this you just don't feel like a human being anymore.
I also always had a very faggy mindset and thought I was better than everyone else because I'm a humble and nice fag which is a very bad thinking pattern to step into because in all actuality I was forced to be like that and it's not my personality at all, it's all just a behavioral pattern to avoid any friction which is very weak. This realization helped me get more assertive and speaking my mind more, you can get more confident if you figure out what your deal is. Something is preventing you and its most likely some kind of thing from the past that makes you feel like something bad happens if you say something, in all actuality other people find it way more comfortable when someone speaks their mind and also disagrees on things, its uncomfortable when someone is acting nice and generic which is unnatural.
I can and do but it’s situational for me I can be assertive to anyone in positions of powers but when it comes to regular people it takes allot to annoy me give a inch they take a mile
>>206217 >Being a bitch. And I'm not trying to be mean, but that's how the world views people who aren't assertive.
you're just ugly. it's not me being mean either, some people can get attention without seeking conflict and clearly you are not one of them. if you need other people to loose so that you can feel valid, you were feeling inferior all along.
it is a convenient scapegoat to pretend you are merely being strong and everyone else is being weak but think hard if you would need to force yourself so hard on the world if you were welcome in the first place. a welcome guest would never have to behave like you propose, thus you must be an unwelcome guest; in general.
bold to assume a man would want to sink as low as you and use his tone of voice to aid in lies and manipulation. may your ovaries turn to stone painfully next time you sit on a couch.
>>206221 >uncomfortable when someone is acting nice and generic which is unnatural. it's better to avoid conflict all together, if you are already in any situation which requires you to be "assertive" chances are you already lost and it's not even worth asserting yourself
>>206231 You seem to not know what assertive means and I can almost guarantee that these posts were made by you as well: >>206208 & >>206228
Being assertive means that you respect yourself because you're willing to stand up for your interests and express your thoughts and feelings. It also demonstrates that you're aware of others' rights and willing to work on resolving conflicts. There is nothing negative about that and you must be stuck in some weird niceguy victim complex to have a problem with assertiveness.
>>206232 lol no assertiveness is fake confidence done by posers to posture for the totem pole if you were truly confident you wouldn't let petty insults from online strangers get to you but it's typical male insecurity on your part (bros he talked shit to me i gotta back myself up or im going to look like a bitch!!!) by choosing assertiveness you are just acting like a bigger ape in a low iq contest
>>206234 There are no petty insults to be upset about anywhere so you're just randomly accusing me of something without any reason but that reaction also shows that you have some very personal issue with this.
>>206235 ..ok cool keep passing off the fake arrogance as assertiveness everyone can tell you're a beta because you hold alpha male posturing behavior in high regard
>>206208 >that's a vaginal word trying to normalize conflict buddy, youre a lot more "vaginal" than you think if you find anything wrong with conflict. and being assertive isnt what causes conflict, its what resolves it. lets say my neighbor is playing loud music all night long, theres already a conflict there. im being disturbed, hes stepping on my toes, and the only way to resolve that is to make my neighbor aware of me and my needs by asserting myself. yeah, he could flip out and tell me to fuck off after i assert myself, but if you fear that you just might be a succubus. >>206237 >I make it a rule never to back down if I know I'm right admirable. i remember with the vaccine someone was asking why i wasnt taking it and i explained everything i thought was wrong with it to which they responded, "why not just take it anyway?" its crazy how things like honor and integrity are alien concepts nowadays.
>>206207 >How many of you Anons are assertive? I have great trouble offending, being rude, or upsetting others. I think you bunch up "assertiveness" along with a bunch of things that aren't very related to being "assertive". Having a short fuse and going "Karen" mode over the pettiest shit ever isn't being assertive. >It's terrible because I wind up in situations I really hate. Do you have any examples?
>>206237 you would only need to defend yourself if you view someone as a threat. >>206238 >anything wrong with conflict. and being assertive isnt what causes conflict, its what resolves it. childish take, I bet your idea of conflict is someone disagree with you online and you being assertive must mean getting the last reply in.
>>206234 If a guest is in your home and you'd like them to leave, you'd have to have assertiveness to tell them "okay, I got shit to do". A lot of wizzies, including myself, are too high inhibition to do this, resulting in us landing in situations we hate. In this scenario, assertiveness would be a good thing. However, I do agree that people use the word assertive to cover up for their asshole behavior.
>>206238 >buddy, youre a lot more "vaginal" than you think if you find any
there is a world of beauty, harmony, creativity and throbbing moisture that you simply do not qualify for. in a voluntary world where attention was free and not expected to be distributed in vaginal entitlement schemes, you would simply starve. the men would only care about the attractive succubi while you would be cast out.
you're not asserting yourself, you are trying to interact with people who don't respect you which i guess is usually the case, otherwise you would not have to engage in the competition theater.
you may be fat and ugly on the outside but more imporantly you're fat and ugly on the inside.
>>206243 The funny thing is it's always one guy who manages to fuck up a whole thread by making 60% of the posts in it and replying to everyone, it takes only one of these guys and a thread is derailed. In this case it's the poster who opposes assertiveness and gets upset at others for no reason while he treats this thread like his personal AMA. There are great dudes on this site who actually want others to do good but then there's also some complete assholes who just want to disencourage because they are so insecure that they don't even wanna see a wizard doing good.
>>206241 >I bet awesome man, you wanna make a point or just dream up things i could say to sound retarded?
>>206244 i have no idea what the fuck youre trying to say or how this relates to the thread whatsoever, but judging by the last line it seems youre just mad and too ESL to enunciate it properly. whatever the case is, your garbled mess of a post is so offensively shitty im sure that it breaks rule 5 and i can only hope the mods agree with me on this.
>>206248 You are extremely schizo right now and it would be great if you'd stop replying because it's annoying and it also makes you look like a crazy person since you keep spinning other posts into your delusions because your replies never make sense and look like you're arguing with some kind of imaginary person.
>>206249 The fact that you are able to perceive your own behavior and the source of the problem so clearly shows that you have the ability to understand the social stuff behind it which further means that you basically could get better at it if you can find the right way for yourself.
it's always easier to call people crazy then realize the errors of your ways. realize you are nothing but a bully who is unwelcome whereever she goes of course is harder.
>>206265 >you are nothing but a bully who is unwelcome whereever she goes im sorry but youre under the impression that YOU are welcome in this thead? and given your boorish posting style i dont see how the fuck you could be welcome anywhere else; you literally have not made a single good post in this thread. not only are your ideas completely fucking retarded (that can be excused), you actively make an effort to degrade and disrespect whoever youre replying to and use the most disingenuous argumentation tactics possible.
and the "she" is fucking crazy when youre acting like a gabby little succubus spewing out every little thing that comes into your mind with zero control. like what the fuck is this >>206248 ? do you honestly think anyone gives a fuck about your shitty little quips? like the ONLY way you could act this way is if people pretended that you were important or special to get in your pants, giving you the delusion that you arent an utterly retarded whore. guess what slut, youre on the internet now, no one has to pretend anything you say is insightful, and literally everyone in the thread thinks youre a total asshat.
>>206270 >you actively make an effort to degrade and disrespect whoever youre replying to
you know after reading your lines and realizing how braindead you are, i am actually surprised that you are able to identify that i don't respect you; of course there is the chance that you merely bring up the issue of disrespect, assuming any position, hoping that my reaction towards it will give you more of a clue. of course i don't respect you. that's how assertive people like you do it and you are all the same, there simply is no variance between you. you all say things with certainty and then expect to be corrected if you are wrong about it, like a child who misbehaves subtely on purpose to learn it's boundaries. i hope you abort when you get pregnant because people like you have dragged down humanity enough. >and use the most disingenuous argumentation tactics possible.
you call this an argument? i dunno. talking to you feels like pretending to be a tranny and compete in succubi sports. yeah i won but who cares, you are no opponent. the argument was that you are ugly and that was checkmate. nobody forced you to be ugly, you choose to be ugly, i think it was a dumb choice and your life is gonna suck because of it. and i am not supposed to bring this up because? because it offends you? maybe it doesn't even offend you and you instead just have "being offended" to be one of your many braindead default-reactions. when you say you are offended that doesn't mean you are. you might just say that to create drama.
viewing this interaction from your perspective, i don't think you are doing a good job of asserting yourself. you seem quite weak and pushoverish to me. if i believed in this socialhierarchical evil it would probably be easy to walk all over you and be mean to you and hurt your feelings because you are just a hot air balloon.
the idea of assertiveness inherently is built on filth. it can only make sense among dull retarded bullies, assuming it is normal to:
-have one person be a leader who everyone must follow -have winners and losers -scarcity -have everyone to be desperate or otherwise in a state of degenerating emergency
what about coexistence? what about peace? what about seeing others as humans and not as opponents in a competition?
also the real reason to assert is because people can not handle being unremarkable. they choose to be unremarkable but then when they get the life of an unremarkable person, they don't want it and start to struggle. succubi call it assertiveness but it is just social violence, which the older i get i believe they can not do without unfortunately. all these cuckold porn movies on the pornhub are made for succubi because they can't cum unless someone loses something. it is their violent nature.
>>206207 if you ask me. and this is a purely philosophical point of view. i'm not a master of myself. What most people talk about as assertiveness is a purely social thing. for example i'm not afraid of anything in particular other than socializing. i'm not afraid of animals, heights, or other things people are afraid of. but when it comes to socializing i shrink. In fact my point is your actual power level has nothing to do with how you socialize. think of an elephant being afraid of a mouse. the actual power of each is drastically different but it does not matter. the humane aspect of us is precious but assholes shit all over it. a really good person is bound to be meek, kind and quiet. now with that person they are either fostered well and become great people, giving them something good to fight for. or they get surrounded by assholes and turn into shutins their view of the world is that its a cruel place where only the wicked prosper but stepping on eachother. most people fucking suck honestly. if they aren't outwardly mean they are still arrogant, selfish and overall ignorant.
>>206207 it is interesting you mentioned your violent father as being the cause of your assertiveness because i always assumed violent households made children more prone to violence or at least more prepared to it.
Looking at this thread I think many people are just confused as to what being assertive is, it's not being dominant or aggressive, it's stating and valuing your own opinion same as everyone's else.
Most people here are probably naturally agreeable and so they allow others to run them over.
stating probably isn't the same as talking. stating sounds like you say your opinion but you expect others to give a fuck about it. sounds theatrical and stupid. you sound like someone who can't handle being ignored and needs a thorough explanation for why someone rejects you because if people don't explain to you what you did wrong, you don't know how to be. minion shit. ideal dogmother.
>>206949 >stating probably isn't the same as talking. stating sounds like you say your opinion but you expect others to give a fuck about it. sounds theatrical and stupid. you sound like someone who can't handle being ignored and needs a thorough explanation for why someone rejects you because if people don't explain to you what you did wrong, you don't know how to be. minion shit. ideal dogmother.
How do you possibly ascertain all of that from the word "stating"? You're being ridiculous.
>>206949 I'm actually rather passive person, that prefers being unnoticed most of the time, I think I'm likely schizoid. I don't know why you think you know so much about me after reading 2 sentences.
>>206230 The only thing you could do is to be actively ready for any sudden violent encounter and start trying. Some things are just got out of raw willpower and getting ready
>>206214 Hey, that's me. I don't want to remember other people and I don't want them to remember me. I wish I could be completely invisible and leave nothing behind when I die.
>>206207 being assertive ususlly comes with more responsibility, afterall, if you are demanding everyones attention you ought to at least know what you're doing or about to do.
that said, you can be assertive conditionally, i see no problem in demanding and commanding people that are less experienced than me since it will make them more effective at what theyre doing and it makes the load i have to carry lighter. i dont do it all the time but when i do there is good reason and i dont crack any stupid jokes or waste time