/wiz/ - Wizardry

What has helped me cure a long-time fetish and make some real sustained progress towards being rid of it, is reading books about it and learning the psychology behind your fetish. Really getting at the root issues. There is always a cure, never give up hope

it would be cool to fap to more and more abstract things like planets and concepts in physics. get out of the human, animal, biological realm and eventually out of the material realm all together.

a fetish is just the start of separating sexuality from the natural body, and you can just take it further and further until you're fapping to math equations like Plato wanted

>>214574
Any advice on how to go about learning about this kind of stuff? I wouldn't even know where to begin.

>>214575
>I need to fap a certain way or else some philosopher who's been dead for two thousand years will be disappointed with me
Wizchan 2024

>>214571
>having a weird fetish personally fills me with tons of anxiety, mostly because I'm always wasting my free time scouring the net for any type of new material that fulfills my needs.
It's not the fetish itself as much as the OCD.
Controlling a low/medium severity OCD is not that difficult, you just have to rationalize what you're doing and tell yourself "that's enough for today"; but of course, you need other things to do, hobbies, etc., to distract yourself while you're not browsing for the fetish.

>>214575
>a fetish is just the start of separating sexuality from the natural body
Not at all.

>>214577
>Any advice on how to go about learning about this kind of stuff?
As I'm saying to OP, just try to control the OCD, to avoid spending the whole day obsessing over the fetish. You don't need to cure the fetish, that's like a gay dude trying to cure his homosexuality, it's the wrong path to go. You just need to limit how much it bothers you during your day/week.
You should have fun with it: when it becomes non-stop-OCD-browsing that's where you have to force yourself to stop by using rationality to tell yourself that even if you miss a picture or video it's not going to be the end of the world.

>>214577
Just search for books dealing with it that aren't fap fuel. Or just sit down and think critically about it and untangle the thread follow it back to the first time you fapped to [thing] and try to figure out why

>>214586
> tell yourself that even if you miss a picture or video it's not going to be the end of the world.

This is good advice

>You don't need to cure the fetish, that's like a gay dude trying to cure his homosexuality, it's the wrong path to go. You just need to limit how much it bothers you during your day/week.

You don't compromise with cancer if it's making you miserable and ruining your life you cut it out completely and try to figure out how it got there and got this bad. Fetishes are learned behavior and most of them can be changed, if not all

I have some weirder fetishes.

But the main one for me is just underwear fetish, like I lose my boner as soon as she fully strips down. I even talked about with my little brother when I was a tween which is better nudity vs undies, and even as a kid he knew to say nudity.

When I was a kid catching a peak of a succubi undies when she bent over was the most naughty exciting thing ever. And I guess I'm just stuck in that boyhood stage of development, of not wanting to see more of whats behind it.

I still have the Victoria's Secret catalog I grabbed from the mail before my mom, back in 5th grade. tbh I don't need porn to go further than that.

>>214574
Proceed with caution with this at least if you have limited syntax and concept of concepts, if you illuminate every shadow that is yours and quantify or explain away your whole reasoning with an objective summary your sense of self becomes trivial.
>>214590
I came to the point years ago that naked body is neutral when I confronted what it was to me sexually where before I just simply didn't care for it or thought of it as part of being human. I like clothes more but don't know if that's superficial and decadent, and I think have been conditioned to as "nudity is naughty and will get me in trouble" and have grown to like the silhouette of bras and panties. Perhaps I want to remove myself from sexual intimacy or find myself sexually inferior for nudity and not discard any semblance of innocence, civilization and platonism. Never jacked off to sex and I hate casual sex or whoring, and the first time I saw a penis enter a vagina I tried to let it not traumatize me because I was a wimp.

I have a bizarre fetish that gets me a fair amount of hate online. I like it when non-white, or third world, men get particularly obsessive and idealizing over white succubi. I sort of enjoy on a meta level that sort of absolute longing they feel, and build up their fantasy for them. Teasing them with softcore lewds that not everyone can get a pretty white girlfriend, and that they'll have to work especially hard and be the best they can to live that life.

I used get a lot of doxxing attempts due to it, which I guess I understand, to /pol/ types it must legitimately appear that I'm pushing non-white men to court white succubi.

>>214594
What is wrong with you faggots?

>>214594
That guy who used to taunt Elliot Rodger on BodyBuilding and PUAhate

>>214596
I don't know, some people are sort of bemused with my posting in a "that's strange but cute" sort of way, some call me a cuck, some seethe (a lot of brown succubi get angry). People are genuinely polite for the most part, but yeah.

>>214602
Kill yourself, I mean that 100%. You're probably a tranny in denial.

>>214602
In the grand scheme of things it's cruel but no like Matthew Falder-level shit. Getting your yuks online exists on a spectrum, and you could be doing far worse things.

Tell us more about how you do this. Do you build up a whole backstory? Do you choose like a small town in Colorado or something to "be from"? Do you ask them to listen to Olivia Rodrigo so they can talk about her with you?

>>214605
I don't patronize or humor anyone, it would be indeed cruel if I did that. If it's someone extremely unlikely to achieve it going by all statistical odds, say, someone living in Indonesia unable to even study in a western country. I'll say "yeah it's likely not going to happen…but what if, just suspend disbelief for a bit and have fun with it".

>Tell us more about how you do this.

Advertise for it, get adds, chat one one one. I sort of share pictures of pretty succubi that look like girlfriend material, write back and forth on how perfect that life would be. Craft it out for them in a sort of Gamemaster sort of way. There's a high turnover with it, and I enjoy hearing stories and narratives about why they have this longing, and many are appreciative. It's usually like, some middle eastern zoomers growing up on western media, feeling constrained by their society and it sort of becoming a sexual fantasy for them to idealize pretty Europeans. Some will admit they only have cutsey romance desires for white succubi and can't see their own succubi like that. It's actually really sappy stuff and not really that sexual.

>Do you choose like a small town in Colorado or something to "be from"?

I've only tried roleplaying actually as the succubus a few times, not in a catfishing sort of way but as in a ERP "so this is the scene", and I'm just not good at it honestly. Just small things like a romance blossoming from meeting at a cosplay convention.

>>214594
>>214606
Oh I just realized by my original post it seemed like I more rubbed it in that it's hard in a mean spirited way. It's not that, it's to play more into "you want that life, let's build the fantasy of that dream come true".

Vore. I like virtually everything about it except for the harder variant. I know it's weird, disgusting and insane but unfortunately I can not cure my brain of it. My interest in it is purely on Humanoids though. Not the animal/monster type.

>>214589
>Fetishes are learned behavior
Well, here we disagree, but it actually depends on the nature of the fetish. There are some that are in your DNA and that you simply cannot change.

>>214616
Damn I guess there's a furry diaper eater gene.

>>214616
I was born with my only (sexual) fetish.

>>214618
>makes fun of some degenerate garbage
>while praising some equally degenerate garbage
I do wonder often if I sound this pathetic and reveal such self-awareness when I talk to other people.

>>214616
Politely disagree here. Even if you can't cure yourself of a fetish, the strengthening of your willpower involved in undertaking such a thing is good on its own if nothing else. But I think you can un-learn them all

The more physically impossible the sex you desire becomes, the more of a wiz you are, since the sex you fap to literally can't happen on this plane of reality

You know, if they can't effectively turn off a mans sex drive they should invent a button that makes you cum instantly. Then when you feel the urge coming up you can just press the button to end the process. Make it like swatting a fly.

>>214635
doesnt work

theyve done brain implants with a button that basically does that, it just devolves into mindless stimming pressing the button over and over

It goes away when you're older, but the damage to your mind, body, and soul lingers on. So many are sick of if by their mid-late 20s and wish they never started, but the sense of loneliness and drive to propagate oneself does eat away at you. It does say something if you're not going to reproduce about what the point of this is.

It certainly helps to have a passion for something other than reproduction, and a sense of what else exists in the world. During the dark times, I did lose all hope and direction, and that was a greater mistake than all of the filth I indulged in. If I could hold on to what I wanted in the first place, or at least had status in society and something to do, it would have gone better for me.

As far as others judging your fetish… honestly, all of that doesn't matter. At this point, no one really cares about anything, because everything is out there and expected at this point. Basically, as long as what you do isn't going to land you in federal prison, it's not that big a thing. The insinuation cycle on the internet is toxic and intended to run others down, and those people need to shut up and be regarded as the filth they are - and a lot of them are egging people on to go down to the dark shit that lands you in prison. I see people pushing that vanguard and it disgusts me even more than someone who "just" had such a fetish.

With fetishses, there is nothing "there", really. As you get older you will see that all of the values that are pushed in this society are ridiculous lies. No man is happy as a faggot or fetishist, and every male worthwhile - every human being really - will at some point desire to reproduce. This really fucks up people who are sterile and didn't have a choice in the matter, something that is just ignored because of the fucked up values of this society.

I think at the end of the day the best "cure" is to know what you really wanted out of any of it. Eventually you're going to ask the question not of yourself but of society, or at least something outside of yourself so you have something to reference. You'd have to ask about how you're going to relate to the world as a whole, and this isn't just about society but about the potential world that might have been, if humanity were better and the world weren't turned into this. Then you see that it's not too late, and the world is good despite all of the efforts of humans to shit it up, and nearly all of the bad is purely within humans and the malevolence they bring into it, and the world has been working in its own way to suppress human malice and their designs on the world. Some believe the world is "God" or something like that, or they look to Heaven because they don't really need the material world as it presents to them beyond the obvious.

While philosophy and history are a mindfuck and you will be very depressed if you get into them and avoid the wankers, they are something to give perspective, as long as you remember human thought and experience are prior to philosophy. Mostly, though, just know that there are people in the world who want decency - more than you are led to think. We have the misfortune of living in a really bad time in human history, and it appears amplified on the internet due to the professional assholes who are paid to make the world a worse place and destroy anything honest and decent. This is stuff they're trained to do in seminars, taught in management courses to police anyone who actually does anything good for humanity.

>>214617
It's obviously multiple genes that make you like that, you fucking retard.

>>214635
Jeez what a pornsick and almost impressively stupid idea

I'm incredibly into furry. Sometimes I do wonder if I'm a little too into it, but I really don't care if other people think it's weird. And honestly, I feel more love towards furry succubi than I ever have towards a real one so I think my brain is just wired for it or something.

I do have other fetishes that are gross, but those I just fap to and then forget. I've never felt the need to spend money on them like I do on furry merch.

I have a pretty undignified fetish. Giantesses.

I am also what is considered a 'lifer.' Or a true fetishist. I am old enough to have had a childhood in an unwired, internet-free household. We did not get dial up until after 2001. In my pre-internet life and even pre-puberty I was having some fairly consistent spontaneous imagery thoughts about giantesses, which post-puberty I recognized as sexual in nature. I think there is a massive, incalculable distance between lifers, who spontaneously or endogenously developed their fixations, and suggestible neurotics who followed a media source or a long trend of sexual escalation. For one thing, a professional psychoanalyst once published a mainstream newspaper article statement saying that lifelong giantess fetishists lack the ability to love or be loved by anyone or ever form a relationship. Which, yeah, I thought was an unwarranted idea when I first read it but hell I can't argue with results. The only early media I recall seeing that fit this were things like The Magic Schoolbus – stuff everyone saw and no-one else developed this way out of – and one particular commerial for the remake of the Attack of the 50 Ft Womyn, which yeah okay that one was blatantly fetishistic.

What's been most effective for me in the past in suppressing or avoiding the fetish had been pornography. Masturbating to some normal human succubus in a normal human scale scenario. Need to try to avoid certain things to keep a handle on it though. As I left my early 20s though, it was like, why try to normalize. Why spend energy trying to pull away from this perversion. Dropping porn makes the imagination scenarios come back. This includes sudden, spontaneous thoughts about succubi you used to know years ago. Very socially inappropriate in comparison with some porn actress paid for her role. But, really, nobody else has any right nor reason to care what visions or horrors should play out in the privacy of my own head.

I would recommend that you stop using pornography too, not because it will stop your fetish, but because it will stop you from papering over whatever your authentic sexuality is with whatever trending high energy slop is running down the algorithmic pipeline. You're probably not sexually like other people and whatever you're running from is probably pretty bad. I'm reasonably sure that there are plenty of people who are pedophiles at their essential baseline who forcefeed their brains ridiculous furry fantasy, diaper,, shemale, whatever else–anything else, anything extreme enough to blot out that particular shame–so that they can look in the mirror and say "porn did this to me, I am not my crime." This isn't some journey of self acceptance but it is one of self knowledge. Know your sins, and know the ones that run to your bones and not just the ones that can be washed off of your skin.

>>214571
There are certain drugs that will get rid of sexual proclivities and OCD type thoughts around them you know

I had some very nasty fetishes especially when it comes to asses and they eventually all faded away when I put effort into avoiding porn for a couple months. I can jerk off while thinking about vanilla stuff now and I don't need extreme stuff to get hard.

Porn increases the range of weird shit you need to get hard but your brain will go back to normal if you stop consuming it. Its a manageable issue if you are able to quit porn.

There are also mental issues heavily correlating with some fetishes and depraved sexual behavior. Especially people with borderline personality disorder tend to have very sadistic/masochistic fantasies and sexual impulsivity.

>not even the porn industry wants to capitalize on it
If your material comes primarily from non-pornographic media then cutting down becomes significantly more difficult.

You're probably early 20s to mid 20s since you don't seem to realize this but when your fetish-trigger is not recognized as pornographic it will most commonly hit you environmentally in a way that is uncontrolled and invisible to the rest of the world (because it is nonsexual to them). If that happens frequently enough a person will start seeking out that material in order to trigger that fetish for themselves and set it off under CONTROLLED circumstances in order to gain at the very least a small sense of dignity. Abandoning the controlled selfexposure to fetish-triggers will not make the entire rest of the world fall into line and respect that this disgusting thing is sexual to you and should not be brought into your line of sight.

Repugnant fetishes like vomit, scat etc. are standard comedy movie material, and also occur ambiently in the environment. I have heard that there are places called "bars" or "taverns" where normal men go to watch for succubi who are nauseated to the point of vomiting in order to have sex with aforementioned vomit-chans, prior or post emission, since it is "easier to score" when they are in that condition; I do not bar hop but there are countless movies, books and films in which this activity is documented, taverns are where every isekai adventurer ends up. An isekai adventurer with severe emetophilia would need to choose between destroying his ability to form or engage in normal social activities with his JRPG party, or having to control his reaction to his fetish manifesting in the real physical space around him, under circumstances where his response was not blunted by selfexposure.

I have no idea if that's your deal or whatever else. You could be a bartender keeping bar every day trying to maintain a handle on a fetish for some heinous, repugnant or grotesque things for all I know. But you DO need to look very seriously at whatever environmental triggers you have, since what you're getting off to is not officially called "pornography" or produced by porn film studios.

>>214674
You got a link to that article? I've got a giantess fetish too. Can only get turned on by succubi's feet and being stepped on by then. Means I worship succubi when they want to be treated like sluts. I also feel faint when people talk about sex so I don't I'll ever have it.

>>214709
>giantess fetish too
My brother I hav–
>feet
…ah, sorry wrong number.

I'll see if I can track it down, the Dr. was only one of the people interviewed in the article though and she was not given anywhere near enough lines to detail her professional observations.

>>214674
>>214709
>>214712
It's nothing exclusive to giantesses, anyone with a fetish that can't reasonably include or conciliate sex with a feasibly realistic person will be unable to have romantic relationships, find them important, or bother about them. I saw an article years ago about how people with foot fetishes have lower IQ relative to the rest of the population, what's so special about a foot fetish that makes it attractive to the retarded, any sexual obsession has a proclivity towards the stupid or people who became stupid. Most-definitely it's some editor wants to run a story on *subculture* without any research of it asking the credentialed experts if they know anything, which they don't know either and don't care, and give obvious summaries on it.

>>214719
>I saw an article years ago about how people with foot fetishes have lower IQ relative to the rest of the population. I remember reading more in depth about fetishes, and the big correlations were

>Autism
>Psychopathy
>Low IQ
>Traumatic head injury

Fetishes clustered around these groups with very little deviation. People sexually attracted to horses showed the same pattern of low IQ as your study on foot fetishists. I imagine it's the same with all extreme fetishes.

Unironically, taking antipsychotics can help.

>>214633
going aganst your nature is never a good think
with this kind of reasoning, you should abandon being a wizzie and start forcing yourself to be a normalfag

>>214768
Fetishes aren't natural. Porn addiciton and sex addiction aren't naturally bread in to a human's enetic code. They are learned traits taught by the coordinators of society and are pumped in to young mens' heads in every way from subliminal suggestion to literally being told by educational institutions that such a dependency on depravity is normal. Kind of like what you're doing now, you faggot.

>>214768
>going aganst your nature is never a good think
It is when it becomes counterproductive and damaging in the long run.
>with this kind of reasoning, you should abandon being a wizzie and start forcing yourself to be a normalfag
dumb reasoning and projection
not everyone has a normalfag nature like you would think.

Watching porn isn't even natural lmfao so your appeal to nature doesn't apply here.

>>214768
>going against your nature is never a good think

Society promotes "if it feels good, do it" and look where we're at. If a psychopathic axe murderer wants to go against his nature, is it a bad thing or a good thing?

>start being a normalfag

That has nothing to do with porn addiction and you know it

take a high dose of antidepressants

>>214769
>Fetishes aren't natural
They can be, some people were hardwired to have odd turn-ons.

>>214774
We're talking about fetishes, not porn addiction, you are mixing things up.

The suggestion I was giving to OP was indeed to control the addiction part, but to forget trying to cure the fetish, because it's likely genetics.

>>214809
imageboard users with fetishes are 100 percent porn addicts.

>>214769
>Fetishes aren't natural
I often forget that no human being would ever have had feet nor looked at feet if it were not for film and television. Nor would any succubus have ever felt compulsion towards male height or broad hands as isolated non-genital loci of sexual fascination were it not for the existence of reddit.

This is the part where you say you're not talking about the common physical fetishes like height, feet, or other non-genital physiology. But those are the only fetishes that have a reasonable chance of developing through pornography. Nobody became a necrophile out of reading goth poetry or watching zombie movies. Karen Greenlee fucked all those dead guys and kept body souveniers because she had sexual access to dead bodies and thought boys were cuter without a pulse, because she had a predisposition to nonmobile room temperature stiffies. She didn't even like zombie movies at all since real dead guys were her passion.

>>214768
>changing habits and behaviors of yourself that you find shameful or harmful makes you a normalfag
>porn of any kind is natural
>>214846
Call me retarded but I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. succubi preferring height and strong builds isn't a fetish but a monkeylizard brain preference. Karen Greenlee got her attraction to the dead from being molested if not just being a freak who liked dead guys. She could've preferred them as a way to exercise power over a partner due to her getting molested and raped which happened because she was powerless to stop it.

>>214861
>succubi preferring height and strong builds isn't a fetish but a monkeylizard brain preference.
Sexual fixation on a nongenital body component which is required to achieve sexual arousal and orgasm, no different from race fetishes or from male height fetishes or lolicon bodytype fetishes. Your hentai "yaoi hands" are not nobler than the foot fetish, begone succubus.

and if you have a fat fetish, they'll be an evopsych just so story on why that is natural as she is storing body fat meaning mammalian wealth.

>>214863
What's interesting is how information on hunter gatherer sexuality actually works is in fact available. Among other things it debunks the "evolutionary validity" of female height fetishism. Look up "How universal are human mate choices? Size does not matter when Hadza foragers are choosing a mate" and "Judgments of Sexual Attractiveness: A Study of the Yali Tribe in Papua"

>>214864
could a better case be made for female fat fetishism?

fat is the evopsych bank account

>>214864
but wouldn't it make evopsych sense for men to want taller sons? and 2 tall parents are more likely to make a tall son, than tall dad, dwarf mom

tall men who seek tall wives, will have taller sons, who outcompete the sons of shorter moms

>>214866
>>214867
This doesn't make sense because the male tendency is to prefer shorter wives. And not just shorter than themselves, but shorter than other succubi. Tall men who seek tall wives are a minority, comprised of well identified sexual fetishists. The reason that preference makes hash of what you said is that height is immensely X-linked, because it is estrogen that signals the growth plates to seal in both male and female puberty. Further, "The !Kung San: men, succubi, and work in a foraging society" (required reading for Unabomber fans and anarchoprimitivists) shows that smaller and leaner males have more success in hunter-gatherer societies than larger and heavier males, so the mating choice impact of preference for taller males is largely about ingroup combat, an antisocial rather than prosocial choice as it diminishes the wealth and resources of the tribe in favor of success in internecine conflict.

>>214868
I always knew the preference for tall men was unnatural or we would have evolved into giraffes eons ago.

>>214870
You're still considering fetishism incorrectly. The "preference" is the only aspect to it that is natural. The well documented steady genetic-level increases in height in human populations as a whole only take place in post-agriculture societies because those are the societies in which sexual preference can take priority over more fundamental survival qualities e.g. hunter capability. The "fair" or "random" mating of the Hadza foragers occurs because the Hadza are foragers, circumstantially forced by the requirements of survival to look past the innate fetishism for height that most succubi have. I believe female height fetishism DOES have an evolutionary explanation, but not one that makes men comfortable. It could easily be explained by the Chivers study, which found that "straight"-identifying succubi are far more sexually aroused by photographs and films of female bodies than of male bodies. Height fetishism then may be what causes succubi to have and express heterosexual preference in real-life scenarios despite the occurrence of androphilic attraction in film and media exposure happening in less than 5% of succubi under study conditions.

>>214769
>sex addiction aren't naturally bread in to a human's enetic code
ever heard of libido retard? there is no such thing as sex addiction; that would be like saying you are addicted to eating food because you do it oftern; nonsensical.

>>214876
um obesity

>>214880
carnivore diet, drink salt water, heals everything

>>214881
he wasn't asking for health tips retard.

>>214886
If obesity is caused by price and by associated reduced costs of overprocessed industrial farmed crops imbalancing the food intake of industrial civilization, then obesity is not caused by "food addiction."

Another fetish porn has given me is an uggo fetish. I'm so oversaturated with stacy porn its like i expect them to be naked. its chubby curly haired succubi i see in everyday life that it feels like a naughty thrill to see unveiled. so very plain and even uggo succubi is more exciting in porn than the bimbos. its like im actually seeing something im not meant to see. unlike stacies who belong naked.

>>214571
>>214698
i have a bondage fetish and you're right. Like for example if I'm watching a movie with friends or family and someone gets tied up in it, it feels like i'm watching porn and it makes me uncomfortable in the same way that having to sit through a sex scene with your parents would. I have to remind myself that normal people don't see it as sexual at all unless it's some obvious 50 shades of gray shit. I've had this fixation since i was very young, before i even knew what sex was, which is a fact i really resent because it's almost like it runs deeper than normal sexuality and takes precedence over it.

>>214898
that reminds me "the cannibal cop" was inspired by the tie up scene in The Mask

https://nypost.com/2013/01/31/cop-turned-cannibal-because-of-cameron-diaz-in-the-mask-court-papers-2/

>>214899
Yeah wow i'm the person you replied to and i've beat off to screencaps of that scene too. Huh

Maybe i'll eat someone

Just do nofap

>>214965
I'd rather have one fap every other day then get all bottled up like that

>>214862
It's not a sexual fixation. Tall means powerful and can protect you, tall means above being a monkey, tall means looking down on others, maybe height preference by succubi comes from the last 40-50 years of pop culture. I think succubi it can be debated that succubi like height more than penis size. I didn't say anything about hands. In the early stages of civilization being short or medium height would've been preferable to being tall as tall men could not hide in the bushes hunting boars and such.
>>214863
>>214865
Fat fetishes can have their origin in village broods that would be used as a backup baby factory in times of famine. For the men who grew to like those fat succubi and for the succubi being lavished and gifted luxury with their obesity being a visual indication.
>>214866
Something I noticed about how the DNAs of the inseminator and womb determine genetic outcome in offspring is that they inherit height from the female more than the male, meaning a tall mother will likelier equal to tall children.

>>215002
That’s some nice conjecture.

>>215003
all it takes to get a phd in EvilPsych

>>214965
NoFap is a bit misguided, the problem isn't the act of masturbation but the virtually unlimited novel stimulus we have available to us. Finding that novelty worthless, laughable, and or ridiculous to use is the only way to be rid of it.

>>215002
It's utterly delusional to think height preferences only evolved in the last forty years due to "pop culture".

Even the Bible itself uses tall as a praise and shortness of stature as an insult or demeaning feature.

Biological desires are hundreds of thousands of years entrenched. They can't be changed in a couple of decades just because television tells you so.

>>215014
then humans would have long evolved into giraffes, we've been the same height across history because it ideally served human needs

>>215002
>It's not a sexual fixation.
Merriam Webster, definition 1:
>a persistent concentration of libidinal energies upon objects characteristic of psychosexual stages of development preceding the genital stage.
Yes your dad was taller than you before entering the genital stage of sexuality, and yes that pregenital stage has been defined as a pregenital stage of sexual development, succubus. You might not like Freudians but they ARE the school that gets to define what a fetish is.
>I didn't even mention hands.
Good that even you find that indefensible.

>>215015
>we've been the same height across history
This is demonstrably false.

>>215022
You do have to factor differences in lifestyle and diet as effects, and ought to cut out rapid generational cycling. Even historic cyclical famines in Europe notwithstanding, the Dutch were the shortest nation in Europe immediately before WW1 and became the tallest again after WW2 and there's no real known reason why their height was so prone to fluctuate when the rest of Europe was steadier.
So we want to look at a very long section of time in which we can be pretty sure genetics are the differentiating factors across that time. And things like antibiotics are known, in and of themselves, to cause cattle to grow larger - a huge part of the reason antibiotic resistance is such a big deal is that agriculture isn't using them to fight off diseases, just to make animal biiig.

https://neutralhistory.com/the-average-height-of-medieval-knights-peasants-vikings/
>Medieval Peasants were on average 168-170cm
Given the direct connection to warrior professions it is safe to assume that page is talking about male height specifically, circa 1000 AD.
https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/denmark/prehistoric-period-until-1050-ad/the-mesolithic-period/the-man-from-korsoer-nor/what-did-stone-age-people-look-like/
>People in the Mesolithic Period were shorter than today. A succubus's average height was 154cm and a man's was 166cm.

20,000 years of difference in time, for perhaps 3 centimeters of difference. Even though these are both considering Northern European populations, 3 centimeters could be explained by a difference in ethnography over those ages rather than evolutionary differential survival and reproductive fitness within a specific ethnogroup.

It's not an ironclad case.

>>215024
>3 centimeters could be explained by a difference in ethnography
And what drives ethnic differences hm? I'm not a proponent of sexual selection in height, as you're right that natural variation due to other factors largely overshadows population differences, but to say height has remained constant or that there is no genetic factor is untrue.

>>215025
>And what drives ethnic differences hm?
In premodern Northern Europe, more than anything else, changes in climate prompting mass migrations. Think of the settlement of Normans in Normandy due to the Scandinavian Famines that prompted the viking age and rise of Othinn as god of the endtimes (distinct from his persona as Wotan or Oden in other gothic cultures). Very different from the migratory behavior of Scandinavians to the Icelandic Republic during the Medieval Warm Period.

>>215026
Please forgive posting an incomplete thought.

The different dietary requirements of each region of Europe would mean that periodic famine resilience was more important for some populations than others, so for example the Normans who settled in France would consist of the tallest Skands settling in the most protein-abundant lands they could find where their size would not cause them to die off like it was in Skane. Forming a new ethnicity. The migration to Iceland though was from the main line of Skand genetics, not a selection of their war class, and they settled where the food supply was more or less as it was in the old country, so there was neither bottleneck nor Founder Effect to the new ethnicity.

>>215003
I'm just throwing what could stick on the wall.
>>215014
>to think height preferences only evolved in the last forty years due to "pop culture".
That's why I said maybe. succubi didn't mind short men (5'4-5'9) firstly because there were less of them in say the 1900s-1940s but also because I think due to sedentary lifestyles and diet being tall is the only way to look like a proportioned man whereas before people were more muscularly developed through the lives they lived. Promiscuity, superficiality, and sexual flaunting were not socially acceptable and comparatively uncommon as well so "the inside is what mattered".
>>215021
Height has a combat advantage too, there are lots of perks to being 6'0-6'5 that are appealing to the sex that is no good at defending themselves. I was arguing on the basis that it's ingrained so prevalently through females that I couldn't consider it a fetish, a quirk and irrational of sexuality.

>>215033
>Height has a a combat advantage too
That would only prevent it from being a sexual fixation if it were irrelevant to succubi's sexual interest and instead conveyed mating advantage due to a constant state of violence and warfare pervasive through society. Otherwise bringing it up would instead be arguing that succubi fetishize externalized signifiers of violence. And if that's true then where are the sexualized displays of modern face scarrification rituals or other holdovers from earlier warrior societies where violence was genuinely pervasive.

so why didnt humans start evolving towards 7 feet many 1000s of years ago?

>>215038
When succubi didn't have choices in their partners and mating was more a matter of environmentally shaped opportunities, succubi had partners who didn't match their preferences.

>>215038
We did. As Denisovans we moved mountains.

>>215038
Because after a certain point you start getting health complications due to height and also because more size == more food. Shorter men are genuinely better workers and last longer doing physical labor.

so maybe rather than being "manly" tallness is actually decadent. a feature of post-industrial society, where succubi can select what they find pretty, and not what has practical benefit.

>>215045
Like sugar, or wealth. Every society valued it, even the ones filled with preachermen advising against acquiring a taste for it.

Can being a Wizard be a fetish? like that feeling of power of knowing succubi crave you, but you're the only male in the world with the moral power to say no to it.

>>215062
LOL

Gross yea

>>215014
I pray everyday to somehow end up short though, I'm aware that, beyond lopping off legs, that's not happening.
Fuck pneumothorax. Fuck standing out like a faggot piece of shit.

It's sort of disappointing this thread didn't really talk about fetishes and how we feel about them, and instead became a debate/argument about something tangentially related.

>>215417
That is every thread on every imageboard ever.

>>215419
Yes but it's especially true for Wizchan, everyone here is insecure and wants to be right all the time and the same went for boards on smaller sites that were centered around being a loser or failure.

>>215436
one of big signs of depression is irritability, aggression, inability to focus. its inevitable.

I'll ask here. Is there a name for a fetish involving angry milfs being angry and yelling at me?

>>215455
Marriage.

>>215457
fuck, I think I have a marriage fetish

I'll tell you a good way to kill off any fetish - remind yourself every day that it's all a lie, and no succubus actually likes that - and those who do, don't want to do it with you. Fetishism is a maladaptive cope, the behavior of caged animals, and it always destroys anyone who is sucked into it. Nothing good comes out of any of it.

It really is pointless. So many people come to me and say it outright. Most of the men who "win" don't get anything real out of it, some whine about how they're obligated to like something that never really gave them anything, since they're not going to have children and their wives delight in reminding them that they'll never actually be a father. It's all a sick joke - it always was, but now it became absolute and the possibility that you can have anything to do with your offspring or are wanted at all has been eliminated. Even if a succubus would have you, the rest of society makes that judgement for her - you don't get to say no to it once the cycle starts.

I see a lot of the fetishes as a combination of a sick ideology and distortion of a proclivity in men that isn't allowed to develop into anything but more suffering. In another world, we'd see there is nothing for this and go on to literally anything else - but in this society, there is nothing else. There is no task to go to, no place for us, and that's been the real hell of it - that this became a political matter and an excuse for busybodies to invade our lives more than they have in the past.

The good news is that you're far from the only one, and there is more decency left in the world than assholes want you to believe. There is no decency in people - that was always one of their favorite lies. Humans are depraved, and that's been demonstrated time and time again. If you showed them the concept of genuine cooperation, centuries of habitual lying have taught them that such cooperation is weakness without an ulterior motive. The only difference now is that there is no more pretending and the certainty of who is selected for what is stronger. In the past, there was an expectation of a baseline level of security for someone to simply exist, even if they were relegated to the lowest classes of humanity. Only those who were to be sacrificed would be treated the way we are. Now, such behavior is not just standard, but pushed harder by a vanguard who see it as a useful vehicle for making the world as they please. The arguments for the other thing were always indirect - they did not take the form of direct cooperation but distant aloofness and a mutual understanding that doing the thing that we are told is "smart" works against both participants and only benefits a third party.



So after all of that, there is one thing I cannot stress enough - this does go away with age, if you want it to and have something else to live for. That's never a given and I can't give you any advice on finding that purpose that is failsafe, but I did find why I'm here, and it has nothing to do with the same rot that never brought me any happiness or sense of accomplishment. I do wish now that I never thought anything along these lines, and if what I lived through weren't fucked up and didn't produce shame that would kill most people, I probably would have remained celibate the whole way through. I held off until I was 17, and it wasn't because I was "saving myself", but because I didn't think "that" was a thing people did. Masturbation was something I learned was a mark of failure, and how it started is quite by accident. The particular fetish doesn't "mean" anything. We'd pick something because the libido abhors a vacuum - but we've always been something apart from that.

If nothing else, think of how much better it would be to cut off the balls and be rid of something which no longer serves any purpose in this world. I will never understand those who are turned on by castration - that's what I think of as a way to ward off the shit and get to what I wanted out of life, which was the exact opposite of that. I have no desire to make that or emasculation a "kink". If you dare mention that to anyone though, it's like you've questioned the holy of holies. They don't want people to stop destroying themselves for a phantom, because if that happened, we'd see that such lying is not limited to sex or this "secret world" they insisted we have to respect. Of course, I would not suggest to anyone that they should do that or need to. I don't expect I have to to cut it off or that such a thing is going to matter, as I won't be around too much longer, and it's not like anyone is bothering me. I'm already pretty damn close to asexual as it is. I still wish I had friendships and more constructive hobbies, the things I believed were possible and not too much to ask for. Every time I find a thing I like, though, there are people who enter the forum and drive out anyone who isn't a chud like them. It is sad that I continue as a ghost and find little in the world, but I also know I'm not the only one. The chilling effect is such that you can't have any social life, even the slimmest one, if you step out of line and don't get with the program of a few assholes who insisted they were going to make the world into this.

If you want out of the fetish habit, the best way is to remind yourself why this shit brought you nothing, and regiment your schedule for about a week to see if you can do without any of it. It doesn't even have to be self-denial, if you can find an outlet which is "good enough" or moderate the vice and recognize there is more to the world than that. It's not healthy to wank every day - the usual routine for men was once a week, or once every two weeks/month, basically a natural mating cycle. Like many things, a distorted vision of what sex "ought" to be was pushed very aggressively and standards of comparison were deliberately destroyed by habitual lying, but this information isn't too hard to find if you look up not-corrupted sources. What I learned about sexual psychology came from a psych book that was laying around - "learning from the enemy", I called it. I get the sense that the psychologist took some pity on me and believed it fell on him to show that much mercy, since everyone else loved lying to me just to remind me of where I would always stand with them. I knew it was a lie and they would always smirk. They don't want anything good to exist, and certainly don't want me to have anything.

Oh, and one other thing - sometimes the best social outlet is to be a "ghost" - find something that people are into like computer games, and release your stuff for free, making it clear that this is a hobby for fun. Say, "hey, maybe you'd find this interesting". So many good things are found just from others with a modicum of curiosity that has yet to be destroyed by this wretched society. A lot of people say they like my shit and they don't know anything about my life, and they don't really need to or care to know. No one really cares about that personal drama at the end of the day. They wanted goods that have been hoarded and denied to them, not a personality to supplicate to. I will never understand the parasocial thing where lumpens attach themselves parasitically to influencers. I can get how that idea was seeded and what inspires people to join it, but I see stuff like streams as a way to pass time and share a hobby, not a substitute for anything substantive or a place where I expect any conversation. Most video gamers, unsurprising, are stupid as fuck and don't know what makes a game good, and the hobby selected for terrible shits. Good games are wasted on them, but there are enough people who just want to fuck off and have their alone time - far more of them than the people who insist on a low level of slop that barely qualifies as entertainment.

>>215522
> remind yourself every day that it's all a lie, and no succubus actually likes that - and those who do, don't want to do it with you.
There’s tons of succubi furries though. Admittedly that second part is probably still true.

>>214674
I'm laughing at people thinking internet/porn create fetishes.
Real fetishes are always there since puberty and will always remain as the principal source to derivate arousal until your death.

>>215526
t.projection

>>215526
Fetishes can follow you in to the next life, I have the same fetish I had in a previous life I'm aware of. I just hope they don't follow you forever.

>>215544
>the next life
okay

>>215526
They very much do create fetishes - you'd be surprised how much is seeded from an early age. That's how I came about what I was into, and it is very obvious in hindsight fetishism was promoted in childrens' cartoons to promote the idea. It is far from the only source but it distributes the idea en masse and makes it a "thing", a cultural reference point that takes on a life of its own.

You can destroy them or change all sexual behavior, contrary to the ruling ideas of today. It is not easy because the force compelling compliance is much harsher now than at any time in history. The personal is now political, and that is always a disaster. It used to be that a fairly large number of men were either disinterested, or their interests rarely developed beyond a lust for flesh and didn't need to be anything else, because they knew they weren't getting any, and even if they did, their actions and offspring didn't "really matter" - or, they did the perfunctory reproductive duty and went about the rest of their lives, which suited them just fine. There is no reason why this impulse, any part of it, has to take on this centrality, unless there were an ideology mandating it, or for whatever reason someone latched on to sexualism because it suited their sense of themselves and their purpose in this world. Now, the choice of a minority is mandatory for everyone else, because they insinuated that they can make it so and no one gets to opt out. If they are rejected from the game, everyone else must shun them in all things, while in the past, rejection from the game only meant that and there was a need for some productive labor out of people who had nothing else to do with their lives. Now, the ruling ideas shun a productive economy - they only want to produce the barest minimum, because any surplus would be turned against the ruling ideas. Any surplus must be squandered as flagrantly as possible, while "efficiency" is upheld only when it serves the ruling ideas and their mission. You can see why such people want to believe that any impulse can be made eternal, and "once an addict, always an addict". The same people are the people who control the drug trade and built their empire on opium.

You can't "just change" yourself by magic, but it's not hard to see what doesn't work, and decide on your own power to do something else. You won't spontaneously combust if you fail to do this programmed response since childhood, and many people change their programming all of the time. This is what humans do, even dumb humans who aren't doing this by any strength of will or for any good purpose. The problem, aside from outside imposition, is that something in a person wants to indulge in the rot, and this itself is a programmed response - one that is difficult to remove without coming to some dire conclusions about what life and knowledge are. It is because those conclusions are anathema to the ruling ideas that we face this, where in the past, most of us went about our lives in whatever way we could, whatever our station in this cursed society was, and regardless of the outcome, life went on. None of the impulses really matter for the most basic needs of life, which ideally would be fulfilled before you go off looking for sex. It is because basic security has been denied to nearly everyone, and now costs a premium, that we have this strange pathology. Otherwise, fetishes would be mostly harmless, things we pass through before we become old and we move on to the things old men care about. Since I'm getting older, I'm starting to appreciate old age. The only thing I miss about being young is that I could take my health for granted, whereas know my knees act up and I get winded very easily. Mentally, it's only bad because of the society we live in and the situation of the world right now. As far as myself, the only problems are problems that would have been solved if we didn't live in the dark ages and medicine weren't dominated by pseudoscience, and humans had any interest in a society other than one full of demonic screamers. We had the misfortune of being born at a time where the worst of humanity rose to the top to impose their vision on us, and none of that vision was ever necessary or inevitable. It would be trivial to stop this program humanity was set on, if only there were a will to do something other than this. I'm very pessimistic about the future, but in principle, we could end the path humanity is on tomorrow and go quite far. The greatest problem is that the rot of humanity, the pressing of the nerve of power, feeds itself and will always be the most efficient route, whereas what we want always costs something and has to be defended. I used to believe self-interest would guide humanity enough to avoid doing what they're doing now, but… no. That's not what humans are.

But, for what you'd do to get rid of sexual pathologies, you don't have to make it a political matter. I'd ask what you really want out of this, and whether any of it really does anything for you as a fantasy. It does take some doing for a man to break off a desire to reproduce, because that desire is not a blind impulse nor something rational. Seeing that when you die really will be the end creates a very different value system from someone who believes they will marry and reproduce and continue a cycle, and a different value system from someone who believes he can continue through society and historical records. It was the latter that most of us turned to, but now that has become anathema, for history is controlled. I make my mark on this world in the way I see fit, that is possible for me. It won't amount to much, but it's better than their plan for me, because their plan for me - and they certainly have a plan - is the worst thing in the world they can imagine, and if I can imagine a living Hell, professional torturers have thought of something worse. It can always get worse, after all.

But, really, a lot of fetishes are simple and silly things, and usually they're harmless enough that it wouldn't make sense to think this is a thing to be corrected. If we are thinking with libido, we're looking for signs or indicators that what we're doing is good, and the fetish object is one such thing - something which is inviting and turns on the part of the brain that does this thing, which normally remains dormant. We're not constantly thinking "must fuck" - it's a thing we do every so often, and if we must be alone, eventually we would in a better world learn to turn that off. The older virgin way of doing things was to do the nasty once a month or so and try to forget about it, so we can do things we actually like. It was the shittification of everything in the world, that happened for political reasons, that pushed addiction, and this was the plan.

Even in the worst case scenario though, the disgusting and repugnant fetishes are likely telling you that the situation in your life is really fucked, and perhaps that is an irreconcilable situation - but the fetish is just a "thing", something that can set aside. Everything, and I mean everything, can be destroyed and reassembled, and literally anything else could be put in its place, so long as that other thing "works". You can't really be "asexual" in that sense - the drive for some belonging or place in the world is such that you're going to have a drive for something. It's entirely possible to see the sexual aspect as an inconvenience or incidental, even make it into a sort of game to manage, and find your happiness elsewhere once it has been dismissed.

I am assuming of course your fetish isn't highly illegal and the feds aren't coming for you, but if it's that, then you have a problem of hiding your life from the feds more than the fetish itself.

>>215522
Your method is tapping into actual reproductive instincts which I have zero respect for and so would be rendered void. I put no stake in such desires of others and my self image is steadfast.

Fetishism is only maladaptive if it disrupts some other desire you have (like the desire to reproduce etc), otherwise it's just regular old adapted cope like all the rest of behavior. Is it perfectly healthy? No, but neither is sedentary living, extended computer usage, most cheap food and so on and so forth. Chasing perfect health prevents you from being in the present and efficiently living within your means. Reality is always moderate. If you masturbate so much you go crazy and your health deteriorates, fetishes are the least of your concern. If fetishes can get you in legal trouble or cause self-hatred, then you should probably work on that (though with the latter self-love is just as easy to attain by getting over yourself).

It is mere masturbation. Stay grounded and examine the true cause and effect of your life and you will find near invariably that moderation is the correct answer. I can tell you have a lot of symbols and pillars of value running things in your head however, and moderation in its mundane neutrality probably stands opposed to many of them. This too, is regular human cope, so I'm not that concerned for you.

>>215544
How do you know that?

>>214571
I simply ignore its existence. I'm on pills that kill any drive or thought of that shit, though.

>>214697
I agree. Just take a break when it feels like it's getting out of hand. Unless you wanna regret it.

>>214806
Same, I’ve had the same fetish since I was 4 and it’s the only thing that turns me on

>>216031
one of my earliest memories is of being around 4 and almost suffocating myself in the bed covers, while humping the bed thinking of Thomas the Tank engine being threatened with decommission.

No I didn't develop a train fetish. But I've always been into humiliation and degradation, even before I understood sex.

>>214594
Where I post my coomery there's lots of racial fetishization. Constant posts from white guys about how asian succubi are more desirable or latina succubi are more fun.

But the second I post, everyone acts like I'm committing an act of genocide and all the seething about low white birthrates and demographics come out. It's weirdly hypocritical, if you're a white nationalist type, why is the former okay but the latter not in their eyes? And everyone online sort of goes along with it as well, other races can't sexualize or appreciate white succubi except on their own little burrows of the internet, otherwise you have a horde of men telling them to kill themselves. Meanwhile white men are free to run their mouths about how docile and tight asian succubi are or whatever, posting in an actually dehumanizing way. I don't even get the problem because whites don't even intermarry that much, and white succubi consistently prefer white men, what are they even afraid of?

I'm (trying) to give my degeneracy up now though. Racial fetishization is very cringe and offensive.

>>214571
Stop watching porn, see if any of these fetishes start to decrease. I'd wager that a lot of people these days have porn-induced fetishes that just prey on your natural proclivities or whatever. But I think once you step away from that sort of shit you need less mental stimulation to get off and can being to jerk to more vanilla shit again if that's what you like. It's all just learned/conditioning, same as death grip syndrome. You just kept reinforcing that you can only get off to a specific trigger so now that's where you are.

>>216752
>porn-induced fetishes
Doesn't exist.
The real medical definition of fetish doesn't take in account porn induced "fetish", sure porn provoke sexual fluctuation but it remains in the realm of what the user was already into and it in no way can it be considered as a fetish. Most people on this thread are talking about a sexual attraction that was always there since their childhood/puberty.

>>216753
but even so, in the interest of coping with these fetishes not constantly feeding into them is probably still the way to go I'd say. Acknowledging your attraction, accepting it for what it is but not engaging in it, similarly to how you'd deal with anxiety/depression maybe.