what is the meaning of life if you are not exceptional in any way, if you do not look exceptional, if you do not have exceptional talent, if you were not born in a unique place, you don't have any unique skills, or you don't have a bigger goal in life?
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Shit's mostly arbitrary. It's mediated by your biology to a degree, because you'll always have a set of biological needs that includes food, water, safety, novelty etc. Everything else is just built on top of that foundation and is the result of the conditioning of your environment. That includes stuff like morality, status, wealth, pride and so on, the higher-level meanings that break down once the foundation gets shaky (leave a bunch of people on a deserted island and see what happens) or when you acquire enough self-understanding that you escape that conditioning.
>what is the meaning of life if you are not exceptional in any way
This kind of thinking is purely the result of your environment. Somewhere in your childhood, you learned implicitly these conditions of worth because mommy or daddy gave you attention when you were "special" at school or impressed other people and made them look good. You don't need to be exceptional, it's not a core biological need, it's actually just your need for safety and belonging that you believe you can satisfy through being "exceptional", finally earning your parents love, the respect of your peers and so on. These higher-level values are always just an expression of your core biological needs, a "solution" that you constructed, that might or might not be effective at getting you what you want.
>I feel lack of meaning in my life
You're just depressed/in a low mood because of your current position in life and the meaning structures through which you view your life. You don't lack meaning, you have too much of it and you need to strip down these arbitrary values that are keeping you down. Think really hard about why you feel the need to be exceptional, think about what you're really trying to achieve with that and you'll see through the fog. If you keep questioning every value you have, you'll eventually arrive at the true foundation and remove your conditioning.
At that point, you'll be content with just satisfying your base needs because you'll see through human intersubjectivity, the shared subjective world of ideas through which we interact, you'll realize it's just a tool for survival and you'll stop identifying with it. This is what I believe true freedom is.
>what is the meaning of life if you are not exceptional in any way
This kind of thinking is purely the result of your environment. Somewhere in your childhood, you learned implicitly these conditions of worth because mommy or daddy gave you attention when you were "special" at school or impressed other people and made them look good. You don't need to be exceptional, it's not a core biological need, it's actually just your need for safety and belonging that you believe you can satisfy through being "exceptional", finally earning your parents love, the respect of your peers and so on. These higher-level values are always just an expression of your core biological needs, a "solution" that you constructed, that might or might not be effective at getting you what you want.
>I feel lack of meaning in my life
You're just depressed/in a low mood because of your current position in life and the meaning structures through which you view your life. You don't lack meaning, you have too much of it and you need to strip down these arbitrary values that are keeping you down. Think really hard about why you feel the need to be exceptional, think about what you're really trying to achieve with that and you'll see through the fog. If you keep questioning every value you have, you'll eventually arrive at the true foundation and remove your conditioning.
At that point, you'll be content with just satisfying your base needs because you'll see through human intersubjectivity, the shared subjective world of ideas through which we interact, you'll realize it's just a tool for survival and you'll stop identifying with it. This is what I believe true freedom is.
The meaning of life is non-existent outside of your mind. You can make shit up if it matters to you.
Personally I think of life less as an object that is filled with certain values and ideas from which meaning can be extracted and more of it as a process which you experience and try to manage in a way so that thinking, believing, feeling and acting are converging to a wholesome unit of tranquil subjectivity.
Personally I think of life less as an object that is filled with certain values and ideas from which meaning can be extracted and more of it as a process which you experience and try to manage in a way so that thinking, believing, feeling and acting are converging to a wholesome unit of tranquil subjectivity.
>>203543
As I see it there are only 2 ways how to look at this problem.
1) biological view:
The meaning of life is to survive and to replicate and that is all. Even if you are not exceptional you can still try to survive as long as possible that includes passing your dna on to the next generation. Everything else is therefore meaningless. Being the founder of a company or being a famous painter is meaningless, unless you earn a lot of money (→ having a lot of ressources which makes it easier to survive) or you attract a sexual partner with it. So it is all about playing the game of life
2) philosophical view:
I think here are 3 interesting ideas you should consider:
-nihilism: life has no meaning, deal with it.
-existentialism: you can define your own purpose in life. That means anything can be meaningful, due to your definition. I give you a few examples. Life was meaningful if you travel in 5 different countries. Or life was meaningful if you learn how to play the piano. Or Life was meaningful if you learn a certain language etc. Even if someone says traveling in 5 different countries is meaningless then this is not true for you, due to your definition. So the purpose of life can be anything. You just have to define it.
-language philosophy: the words sense and purpose create ideas in your mind that do not actually exist. So the words purpose and meaning are a memes. Don't fall for them.
As I see it there are only 2 ways how to look at this problem.
1) biological view:
The meaning of life is to survive and to replicate and that is all. Even if you are not exceptional you can still try to survive as long as possible that includes passing your dna on to the next generation. Everything else is therefore meaningless. Being the founder of a company or being a famous painter is meaningless, unless you earn a lot of money (→ having a lot of ressources which makes it easier to survive) or you attract a sexual partner with it. So it is all about playing the game of life
2) philosophical view:
I think here are 3 interesting ideas you should consider:
-nihilism: life has no meaning, deal with it.
-existentialism: you can define your own purpose in life. That means anything can be meaningful, due to your definition. I give you a few examples. Life was meaningful if you travel in 5 different countries. Or life was meaningful if you learn how to play the piano. Or Life was meaningful if you learn a certain language etc. Even if someone says traveling in 5 different countries is meaningless then this is not true for you, due to your definition. So the purpose of life can be anything. You just have to define it.
-language philosophy: the words sense and purpose create ideas in your mind that do not actually exist. So the words purpose and meaning are a memes. Don't fall for them.
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>>203557
Your prescription for the nonsense of life? Starting a family and multiplying, or leaving behind a bunch of kids who also never have anything special in their lifes they will never reach real success or even they never be truly happy with their lifes.
Just as their parents who are basically nothing to the rest of society, a nation and they also never feels satisfied with life.
Admit yourself that such a goal in life is simply pathetic, even unworthy of anyone with even a small ambition . It wouldn't be better if they spend time of the life to write a novel that will last a thousand years? Recording great music, painting a timeless piece of art , making great film, making unique inventions, making extraordinary discoveries. Creating a new philosophy, what will be much easier with more time . Why, being alone, does it have …nothing left of me? What will my descendants, who in the fourth generation will not even know my name, give me? Who remembers the fathers of 10 children today living for example 50 years ago? Only here and now does it matter, what will happen after my death has nothing to do with me and my life. I would prefer to experience it myself than dream that my eventual child will be somebody extraordinary , someone remembered by society.
Your prescription for the nonsense of life? Starting a family and multiplying, or leaving behind a bunch of kids who also never have anything special in their lifes they will never reach real success or even they never be truly happy with their lifes.
Just as their parents who are basically nothing to the rest of society, a nation and they also never feels satisfied with life.
Admit yourself that such a goal in life is simply pathetic, even unworthy of anyone with even a small ambition . It wouldn't be better if they spend time of the life to write a novel that will last a thousand years? Recording great music, painting a timeless piece of art , making great film, making unique inventions, making extraordinary discoveries. Creating a new philosophy, what will be much easier with more time . Why, being alone, does it have …nothing left of me? What will my descendants, who in the fourth generation will not even know my name, give me? Who remembers the fathers of 10 children today living for example 50 years ago? Only here and now does it matter, what will happen after my death has nothing to do with me and my life. I would prefer to experience it myself than dream that my eventual child will be somebody extraordinary , someone remembered by society.
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But you are exceptional, you don't have sex.
I think we're all battle mages but there are no mercenary armies we could offer our services.
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>write a novel that will last a thousand years? Recording great music, painting a timeless piece of art , making great film, making unique inventions, making extraordinary discoveries.
Equally pathetic, just like everything else. Slightly better than replication in a sense that you can kill time with it, nothing more, an article you looked through and forgot.
I think about the greatest things i've seen and… meh? It was good when it was new, and maybe i was young and my neurons were fresh. But look at it as a pilled adult, and it turns into ash. "Generations will remember" is a meme made by the ones who were desperate in their attempt to prolong their life artificially. Homer - meh. Wagner - meh. The whole Louvre Museum - meh. Akira,NGE - meh. Space Odyssey 2001 - meh. Large Hadron Collider - who fucking cares. All of them - another timekiller (for both creators and recipients) before feeding the worms.
These kind of threads appear here once in two weeks, and holyshit i still love them.
Like this stuff
>Everything else is just built on top of that foundation and is the result of the conditioning of your environment. That includes stuff like morality, status, wealth, pride and so on, the higher-level meanings that break down once the foundation gets shaky (leave a bunch of people on a deserted island and see what happens) or when you acquire enough self-understanding that you escape that conditioning.
fucking delicious, i read it and my body just deflate like a balloon, and i'm free. Sucks that it lasts a day or so.
Though there's always this Tolstoy-style mutherfuckery
>define your own purpose
If you are not a bit retarded, and once you know you're making shit up - YOU CAN'T.
Equally pathetic, just like everything else. Slightly better than replication in a sense that you can kill time with it, nothing more, an article you looked through and forgot.
I think about the greatest things i've seen and… meh? It was good when it was new, and maybe i was young and my neurons were fresh. But look at it as a pilled adult, and it turns into ash. "Generations will remember" is a meme made by the ones who were desperate in their attempt to prolong their life artificially. Homer - meh. Wagner - meh. The whole Louvre Museum - meh. Akira,NGE - meh. Space Odyssey 2001 - meh. Large Hadron Collider - who fucking cares. All of them - another timekiller (for both creators and recipients) before feeding the worms.
These kind of threads appear here once in two weeks, and holyshit i still love them.
Like this stuff
>Everything else is just built on top of that foundation and is the result of the conditioning of your environment. That includes stuff like morality, status, wealth, pride and so on, the higher-level meanings that break down once the foundation gets shaky (leave a bunch of people on a deserted island and see what happens) or when you acquire enough self-understanding that you escape that conditioning.
fucking delicious, i read it and my body just deflate like a balloon, and i'm free. Sucks that it lasts a day or so.
Though there's always this Tolstoy-style mutherfuckery
>define your own purpose
If you are not a bit retarded, and once you know you're making shit up - YOU CAN'T.
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>>203561
woah, dude, based and wizpilled, literally nothing in this life matters
all is futile and has no inherent meaning
look at how brilliant and infinitely wise you are
wow
woah, dude, based and wizpilled, literally nothing in this life matters
all is futile and has no inherent meaning
look at how brilliant and infinitely wise you are
wow
>>203561
art's intrinsic qualities can't be affected by the possibility of an eventual disappearance of the art.
Your reasons to call those pieces of art meh are quite unfounded.
art's intrinsic qualities can't be affected by the possibility of an eventual disappearance of the art.
Your reasons to call those pieces of art meh are quite unfounded.
>>203558
The biological view may seem pointless to you, and it actually is, but that is what life is about. Surviving and replication.
Who remembers you after x years?
Well the face, the body, etc. of your descendants will remember. Your genes will remember, because you passed them on. So your descendants will have your features to some greater or lesser extent.
So either you play the game of life or you don't. If you don't then don't proclaim about it. You can find just any arbitrary reason to exist.
The biological view may seem pointless to you, and it actually is, but that is what life is about. Surviving and replication.
Who remembers you after x years?
Well the face, the body, etc. of your descendants will remember. Your genes will remember, because you passed them on. So your descendants will have your features to some greater or lesser extent.
So either you play the game of life or you don't. If you don't then don't proclaim about it. You can find just any arbitrary reason to exist.
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>>203561
You have no ambitions, fantasies, desires or dreams, so you have nothing to be proud of. Don't you really notice the fact that if there weren't some really ambitious people, there wouldn't even be this discussion on this website, because even Internet wouldnt be created?
You have no ambitions, fantasies, desires or dreams, so you have nothing to be proud of. Don't you really notice the fact that if there weren't some really ambitious people, there wouldn't even be this discussion on this website, because even Internet wouldnt be created?
>>203572
>if there was no progress we would be apes
This is the most stupid type of argument in such discussions.
>if there was no progress we would be apes
This is the most stupid type of argument in such discussions.
>>203571
>If you don't then don't proclaim about it
How about no? I want people who think likewise to know that they are not alone in this shitshow, maybe feel a little less frustrated.
We are on wizchan /dep/ for fucks sake.
>If you don't then don't proclaim about it
How about no? I want people who think likewise to know that they are not alone in this shitshow, maybe feel a little less frustrated.
We are on wizchan /dep/ for fucks sake.
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>>203573
In that case, if you think you're smarter than me, please go ahead and surprise me with some brilliant retort, a wise argument that will completely overturn my argumentation.
In that case, if you think you're smarter than me, please go ahead and surprise me with some brilliant retort, a wise argument that will completely overturn my argumentation.
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>>203576
Does it means that I won ? :D
Does it means that I won ? :D
>>203561
The goal of road traffic is not safety, but speed.
Among the two armies, one of which wins the war and the other is in hell, the former are more afraid for their lives, but they win. You see, the purpose of life is not to survive. People have their goals, they have their ambitions, they have their ideals and they fight and die for it.
Modernity, on the other hand, with its apotheosis of man, has changed everything. Modern man is affirmed as he is. Already at the starting point he thinks that he is good enough and does not need development and fulfillment in his life. Otherwise, he could not be considered in his own eyes as equal to other people. Therefore, instead of overcoming himself and becoming someone else (better form of himself), he has to be himself, to be and remain who he is. For me, the value of human life is not closed in reproducing the same forms and schematics, but it requires going beyond for something new in his life.
You should understand this idea even if you're a nihilist.
The goal of road traffic is not safety, but speed.
Among the two armies, one of which wins the war and the other is in hell, the former are more afraid for their lives, but they win. You see, the purpose of life is not to survive. People have their goals, they have their ambitions, they have their ideals and they fight and die for it.
Modernity, on the other hand, with its apotheosis of man, has changed everything. Modern man is affirmed as he is. Already at the starting point he thinks that he is good enough and does not need development and fulfillment in his life. Otherwise, he could not be considered in his own eyes as equal to other people. Therefore, instead of overcoming himself and becoming someone else (better form of himself), he has to be himself, to be and remain who he is. For me, the value of human life is not closed in reproducing the same forms and schematics, but it requires going beyond for something new in his life.
You should understand this idea even if you're a nihilist.
>>203573
And at the bottom of the ocean in the Mariana Trench are tuberculosis. They live safely for millions of years, and they live for themselves.But what is the point of their existence, if they could even today bend completely as a species, and few people would notice their lack, and even fewer people would regret their extinction ?
And at the bottom of the ocean in the Mariana Trench are tuberculosis. They live safely for millions of years, and they live for themselves.But what is the point of their existence, if they could even today bend completely as a species, and few people would notice their lack, and even fewer people would regret their extinction ?
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>>203580
of course you won))) but what i ment is that, ok, we would be cavemen, so what. humans suffered in dark ages, they suffer now. there's a tiny chance in the year 3019 they won't suffer from physical pain at all, but they're still gonna be bored and depressed.
of course you won))) but what i ment is that, ok, we would be cavemen, so what. humans suffered in dark ages, they suffer now. there's a tiny chance in the year 3019 they won't suffer from physical pain at all, but they're still gonna be bored and depressed.
>>203581
>but they win
>win
>few people would notice
>notice
okay
>going beyond for something new
good luck with that
>but they win
>win
>few people would notice
>notice
okay
>going beyond for something new
good luck with that
The meaning of life is to maximize your pleasure input and to minimize the pain.
>if you are not exceptional in any way
>if you do not look exceptional
>if you do not have exceptional talent
>if you were not born in a unique place
>you don't have any unique skills
Literally who cares? Most people are exactly like that, anyway.
>if you are not exceptional in any way
>if you do not look exceptional
>if you do not have exceptional talent
>if you were not born in a unique place
>you don't have any unique skills
Literally who cares? Most people are exactly like that, anyway.
>>203691
Reminder that you're even more evil because you allow your suffering to continue because you have the knowledge they dont have
Reminder that you're even more evil because you allow your suffering to continue because you have the knowledge they dont have
>>203691
Reminder that only a fool is butthurt about something that is already done and can't be undone.
Whether you like it or not you are here. You are free to leave anytime, though it isn't easy it can be done. If you don't intend to leave then I advise you to sit back and learn to enjoy yourself.
Reminder that only a fool is butthurt about something that is already done and can't be undone.
Whether you like it or not you are here. You are free to leave anytime, though it isn't easy it can be done. If you don't intend to leave then I advise you to sit back and learn to enjoy yourself.
>>203696
Pain can be pleasurable too you know. For example cutting several gashes into your legs and then having a wank while the pain is still pulsing through your body enhances the pleasure of orgasm way beyond normal. Essentially a more extreme version of autoerotic asphyxiation, though this can be applied to anything pleasurable not just fapping. I'm completely serious, try it out.
Pain can be pleasurable too you know. For example cutting several gashes into your legs and then having a wank while the pain is still pulsing through your body enhances the pleasure of orgasm way beyond normal. Essentially a more extreme version of autoerotic asphyxiation, though this can be applied to anything pleasurable not just fapping. I'm completely serious, try it out.
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In my opinion having a meaning in life is a terrible idea and severly mis-rated. Life is not a movie and you are not a protagonist with plot armor. All having "meaning" does is create anxiety over being able to fulfil it and despair when some event outside of your control makes it unable for you to pursuit.
>>203702
>enjoy yourself
not the same anon. but, what's the point of "enjoying" yourself? that's a literal cope, isn't it? see, that's the difference between us and the normals. (((they))) always cope and they aren't even aware of it because the lack of consciousness they have.
my point is being, this life is a vicious game. literally. and god is a faggot psychopath. why not cheating and exist it already?
>enjoy yourself
not the same anon. but, what's the point of "enjoying" yourself? that's a literal cope, isn't it? see, that's the difference between us and the normals. (((they))) always cope and they aren't even aware of it because the lack of consciousness they have.
my point is being, this life is a vicious game. literally. and god is a faggot psychopath. why not cheating and exist it already?
>>203752
Go ahead and exit then. Nobody cares. You can do what you want. I told "enjoy yourself" to people who don't intend on leaving yet.
>that's a literal cope
Or maybe not. See, this is the problem you and others like you have. Everything is "coping" to you. You have already decided that your life is horrible and will be horrible but this is a self-fulfilling prophecy, if you understand me.
>this life is a vicious game
Who said that vicious games are bad? They can be entertaining too.
>god is a faggot psychopath
He only exists in your head so you shouldn't worry about him.
>>203713
Meaning can bring more joy and energy into your life than sorrow and disappointment. You are here to find meaning to your life, at least that is my faith. It is worth the struggle.
Go ahead and exit then. Nobody cares. You can do what you want. I told "enjoy yourself" to people who don't intend on leaving yet.
>that's a literal cope
Or maybe not. See, this is the problem you and others like you have. Everything is "coping" to you. You have already decided that your life is horrible and will be horrible but this is a self-fulfilling prophecy, if you understand me.
>this life is a vicious game
Who said that vicious games are bad? They can be entertaining too.
>god is a faggot psychopath
He only exists in your head so you shouldn't worry about him.
>>203713
Meaning can bring more joy and energy into your life than sorrow and disappointment. You are here to find meaning to your life, at least that is my faith. It is worth the struggle.
>if you are not exceptional in any way, if you do not look exceptional, if you do not have exceptional talent, if you were not born in a unique place, you don't have any unique skills, or you don't have a bigger goal in life
none of that is normal to have. The problem is that normally no one would have to think about any of that shit because they'd just be too busy dealing with the bullshit they need to do to survive to think about all that, but now that technology and capitalism provides everything we need to live all you need to do is find a job and perform your tasks. None of it has anything to do with survival really, you can survive with just food stamps and a tent if you want because everything it takes to survive is easily provided by others. Now it's all just some big ego measuring contest to see how much shiny stuff you can get and how many slaves you can control.
none of that is normal to have. The problem is that normally no one would have to think about any of that shit because they'd just be too busy dealing with the bullshit they need to do to survive to think about all that, but now that technology and capitalism provides everything we need to live all you need to do is find a job and perform your tasks. None of it has anything to do with survival really, you can survive with just food stamps and a tent if you want because everything it takes to survive is easily provided by others. Now it's all just some big ego measuring contest to see how much shiny stuff you can get and how many slaves you can control.
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>>203770
This is ONE OF THE BIGGEST things that I keep thinking about. But I can't seem to find a place where to talk about this. Any time I wanted to talk about it I just got ignored even though I think it's a very important question. So I hope that I can get some thoughtful reply to it and not some one liner.
Looking around I love modern civilization. I love the technological advancements and art. I feel sorry for people born in the past who didn't get to experience it all. But the people in the past were not aware of them so they didn't feel like they missed out. I feel like there is some inherent transcendent quality to technology and art yet in practice we are biological beings so the pleasure from experiencing art could be triggered by chemicals. It just seems like a waste to me to evolve to something special like a human being only to live barely above the level of an animal. I think there is some inherent duty in using your potential but again these are all concepts that everyone can just disagree with. So in the end it comes down to what the majority thinks I guess.
This is ONE OF THE BIGGEST things that I keep thinking about. But I can't seem to find a place where to talk about this. Any time I wanted to talk about it I just got ignored even though I think it's a very important question. So I hope that I can get some thoughtful reply to it and not some one liner.
Looking around I love modern civilization. I love the technological advancements and art. I feel sorry for people born in the past who didn't get to experience it all. But the people in the past were not aware of them so they didn't feel like they missed out. I feel like there is some inherent transcendent quality to technology and art yet in practice we are biological beings so the pleasure from experiencing art could be triggered by chemicals. It just seems like a waste to me to evolve to something special like a human being only to live barely above the level of an animal. I think there is some inherent duty in using your potential but again these are all concepts that everyone can just disagree with. So in the end it comes down to what the majority thinks I guess.
It sucks because it feels like I was born with no sense of ambition. Nothing motivates me, nothing really interests me. Hard to imagine carrying my life on until my old age if I keep feeling this way.
>>203712
This
I read him recently
Can't believe he is not discussed widely in mainstream media
He changed my perception of the world so drastically
This
I read him recently
Can't believe he is not discussed widely in mainstream media
He changed my perception of the world so drastically
>>203849
The interesting and somewhat valid points in his manifesto are not exactly original thoughts, he also is severely mentally unhinged and a serial killer which doesn’t help one’s credibility
The interesting and somewhat valid points in his manifesto are not exactly original thoughts, he also is severely mentally unhinged and a serial killer which doesn’t help one’s credibility
>>203850
what are the valid points he make? could you please briefly tell, so I don't have to read the whole thing?
what are the valid points he make? could you please briefly tell, so I don't have to read the whole thing?
>>203850
What a vague and nebulous dismissal. He predicts societal changes years before they came. Basically argued that humanity would slowly lose freedom and meaning to technological advances. Very hard to argue against when it is now so plainly proved true.
His choice of targets all made sense according to his moral system and proposed goals. For the most part, they were university intellectuals that were feeding snd contributing to the advances that would ultimately erode human autonomy. People don't believe it is neceesary to kill for what they believe in unless it is sanctioned by the government. Those people are sheep.
What a vague and nebulous dismissal. He predicts societal changes years before they came. Basically argued that humanity would slowly lose freedom and meaning to technological advances. Very hard to argue against when it is now so plainly proved true.
His choice of targets all made sense according to his moral system and proposed goals. For the most part, they were university intellectuals that were feeding snd contributing to the advances that would ultimately erode human autonomy. People don't believe it is neceesary to kill for what they believe in unless it is sanctioned by the government. Those people are sheep.
to witness the fucking singularity and the birth of ai, of course! wtf, are you living under some kind of intellectual rock or something?
dude i have the only reason i would ever need to be alive; to witness the singularity and the birth of god. recursively self-improving ai and god are interchangeable
that shit is going to happen in our lifetimes, my dude. thats why, despite my depression and reoccurring suicidal preoccupation, i simply CANNOT kill myself. dude do you have any idea how massive on an event this is? ai, automation and the singularity are such big events i regularly just find myself speechless when people dont even CARE about it
like literally we already have shit like self-driving cars, ai that can accurately 3d model your face from a voice sample alone, ai that writes news articles, ai that wins in debates against humans
dude, now is BY FAR the most fascinating time to be alive. if this was 200 years ago and i was a virgin at the age of 28 like i am right now, the chances of a suicide would be much higher, let me tell you that. but not im 2019
dude i have the only reason i would ever need to be alive; to witness the singularity and the birth of god. recursively self-improving ai and god are interchangeable
that shit is going to happen in our lifetimes, my dude. thats why, despite my depression and reoccurring suicidal preoccupation, i simply CANNOT kill myself. dude do you have any idea how massive on an event this is? ai, automation and the singularity are such big events i regularly just find myself speechless when people dont even CARE about it
like literally we already have shit like self-driving cars, ai that can accurately 3d model your face from a voice sample alone, ai that writes news articles, ai that wins in debates against humans
dude, now is BY FAR the most fascinating time to be alive. if this was 200 years ago and i was a virgin at the age of 28 like i am right now, the chances of a suicide would be much higher, let me tell you that. but not im 2019
Teddy even talked about jewpills.
>Imagine a society that subjects people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy, then gives them drugs to take away their unhappiness. Science fiction? It is already happening to some extent in our own society. It is well known that the rate of clinical depression has been greatly increasing in recent decades. We believe that this is due to disruption of the power process, as explained in paragraphs 59-76. But even if we are wrong, the increasing rate of depression is certainly the result of SOME conditions that exist in today's society. Instead of removing the conditions that make people depressed, modern society gives them antidepressant drugs. In effect, antidepressants are a means of modifying an individual's internal state in such a way as to enable him to tolerate social conditions that he would otherwise find intolerable.
>Imagine a society that subjects people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy, then gives them drugs to take away their unhappiness. Science fiction? It is already happening to some extent in our own society. It is well known that the rate of clinical depression has been greatly increasing in recent decades. We believe that this is due to disruption of the power process, as explained in paragraphs 59-76. But even if we are wrong, the increasing rate of depression is certainly the result of SOME conditions that exist in today's society. Instead of removing the conditions that make people depressed, modern society gives them antidepressant drugs. In effect, antidepressants are a means of modifying an individual's internal state in such a way as to enable him to tolerate social conditions that he would otherwise find intolerable.
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Teddy talking about wizards.
>Because of the constant pressure that the system exerts to modify human behavior, there is a gradual increase in the number of people who cannot or will not adjust to society's requirements: welfare leeches, youth-gang members, cultists, anti-government rebels, radical environmentalist saboteurs, dropouts and resisters of various kinds.
>Because of the constant pressure that the system exerts to modify human behavior, there is a gradual increase in the number of people who cannot or will not adjust to society's requirements: welfare leeches, youth-gang members, cultists, anti-government rebels, radical environmentalist saboteurs, dropouts and resisters of various kinds.
>>203860
nigger, ive been a neet since 2011
its almost like my job is to piss people off online, and i annoy a variety of websites. infact i honestly think i was put on this earth to piss people off, because thats literally the only response i ever get on the internet
its like i open my mouth and people just get triggered, lol. like my sheer presence just makes people angry, i dont understand it
also,
>job in 2019
my dude, ai will literally automate all jobs away. like it will make all humans unable to hold jobs because ai will be able to do it cheaper and more efficiently than any human can
the future is neet, that much is for sure. i dont know if we will be alive during such conditions, but i know for sure nobody will have a job. im praying for an apocalypse
it would be a dream come true to me~
i refuse to believe theres a single human alive being who's a deeper misanthrope than me
nigger, ive been a neet since 2011
its almost like my job is to piss people off online, and i annoy a variety of websites. infact i honestly think i was put on this earth to piss people off, because thats literally the only response i ever get on the internet
its like i open my mouth and people just get triggered, lol. like my sheer presence just makes people angry, i dont understand it
also,
>job in 2019
my dude, ai will literally automate all jobs away. like it will make all humans unable to hold jobs because ai will be able to do it cheaper and more efficiently than any human can
the future is neet, that much is for sure. i dont know if we will be alive during such conditions, but i know for sure nobody will have a job. im praying for an apocalypse
it would be a dream come true to me~
i refuse to believe theres a single human alive being who's a deeper misanthrope than me
>>203868
didn't you say before you were going to accept homelessness when ZOG stops giving you free bux?
didn't you say before you were going to accept homelessness when ZOG stops giving you free bux?
>>203869
i think so. i havent really changed my opinion. maybe i will though, i dont know how i will behave considering ive never been in that situation. homelessness is very rough and stressful, its not a fun time, but i honestly doubt my ability to hold a stable job. i never held a job longer than 3 months, but maybe i will when the coals are put to my feet, we'll see
i think so. i havent really changed my opinion. maybe i will though, i dont know how i will behave considering ive never been in that situation. homelessness is very rough and stressful, its not a fun time, but i honestly doubt my ability to hold a stable job. i never held a job longer than 3 months, but maybe i will when the coals are put to my feet, we'll see
>>203868
>my dude, ai will literally automate all jobs away. like it will make all humans unable to hold jobs because ai will be able to do it cheaper and more efficiently than any human can
Humans are biological robots, way more complex than any robot we will ever be able to create. So I'm pretty sure you'll be dissapointed in this stupid AI dream of yours. People always overestimate technological advancement.
>the future is neet, that much is for sure. i dont know if we will be alive during such conditions, but i know for sure nobody will have a job. im praying for an apocalypse
A large chunk of work today is already made up bullshit. How many people do you think are out there sitting in an office and just fucking around all day? Do we need telemarketers? When jobs dissapear I'm sure they just replace it with more bullshit. The future isn't neet because we could all have free houses provided by the government and work part-time already, but the world doesen't work that way. The money gets unevenly distributed and ends up in a few people's pockets instead.
>my dude, ai will literally automate all jobs away. like it will make all humans unable to hold jobs because ai will be able to do it cheaper and more efficiently than any human can
Humans are biological robots, way more complex than any robot we will ever be able to create. So I'm pretty sure you'll be dissapointed in this stupid AI dream of yours. People always overestimate technological advancement.
>the future is neet, that much is for sure. i dont know if we will be alive during such conditions, but i know for sure nobody will have a job. im praying for an apocalypse
A large chunk of work today is already made up bullshit. How many people do you think are out there sitting in an office and just fucking around all day? Do we need telemarketers? When jobs dissapear I'm sure they just replace it with more bullshit. The future isn't neet because we could all have free houses provided by the government and work part-time already, but the world doesen't work that way. The money gets unevenly distributed and ends up in a few people's pockets instead.
>>203873
mcdonalds i worked for like 2-3 months before i was fired. i worked nightshift, i was hired because i appeared normal but i was a recluse who didnt speak to anyone and they all hated me, i was 17 and it was my first job
i had this one inbound phone sales job, i lasted 2-3 months i forget. i was actually one of the highest inbound sales agents surprisingly, but i couldn't stand the sexual tensions with the females there, and the social tension with other people as most people were turbo-normies. it literally made me so uncomfortable i quit. i couldn't stand them, and i remember i just couldn't stand the job. i wasnt a bad performer i just couldn't fit in, i had no friends and ate lunches alone outside in my car (back when i had one)
also i worked physical labor/factory jobs at various employment agencies, never lasted longer than a month. i was physically dead and extremely sore everyday, im extremely sensitive and slothful
also i lived in youth homeless shelters in my teens and early 20's, so its not like i dont have any experience
>>203872
>way more complex than any robot we will ever be able to create
lol. imagine unironically believing this in 2019. maybe in 2015. maybe even 2016. but 2019?
we already have self-driving cars which are set to automate away all driving jobs. do you have any idea what that means for truckers and cabbies? we already have ai that can debate better than humans, we have ai that can write music better than humans. the advancements in the last 5 years in ai have dwarfed all other advancements by a landslide. the advancements in the next coming 10 years are going to literally bring about the matrix. i recently just watched all of the animatrix. the 2nd resonance is so prophetic. as a civilization, we are a caterpillar that is going to give birth to the ai butterfly. this is the most incredible time to be alive, more so than when the pyramids were being built. more than any other time in history
mcdonalds i worked for like 2-3 months before i was fired. i worked nightshift, i was hired because i appeared normal but i was a recluse who didnt speak to anyone and they all hated me, i was 17 and it was my first job
i had this one inbound phone sales job, i lasted 2-3 months i forget. i was actually one of the highest inbound sales agents surprisingly, but i couldn't stand the sexual tensions with the females there, and the social tension with other people as most people were turbo-normies. it literally made me so uncomfortable i quit. i couldn't stand them, and i remember i just couldn't stand the job. i wasnt a bad performer i just couldn't fit in, i had no friends and ate lunches alone outside in my car (back when i had one)
also i worked physical labor/factory jobs at various employment agencies, never lasted longer than a month. i was physically dead and extremely sore everyday, im extremely sensitive and slothful
also i lived in youth homeless shelters in my teens and early 20's, so its not like i dont have any experience
>>203872
>way more complex than any robot we will ever be able to create
lol. imagine unironically believing this in 2019. maybe in 2015. maybe even 2016. but 2019?
we already have self-driving cars which are set to automate away all driving jobs. do you have any idea what that means for truckers and cabbies? we already have ai that can debate better than humans, we have ai that can write music better than humans. the advancements in the last 5 years in ai have dwarfed all other advancements by a landslide. the advancements in the next coming 10 years are going to literally bring about the matrix. i recently just watched all of the animatrix. the 2nd resonance is so prophetic. as a civilization, we are a caterpillar that is going to give birth to the ai butterfly. this is the most incredible time to be alive, more so than when the pyramids were being built. more than any other time in history
>>203875
> i was a recluse who didnt speak to anyone and they all hated me
that's what always happened to me even in school
>couldn't stand the sexual tensions with the females there
is your libido completely dead now?
>i lived in youth homeless shelters in my teens and early 20's, so its not like i dont have any experience
that's good you ever happen to on the streets again.
> i was a recluse who didnt speak to anyone and they all hated me
that's what always happened to me even in school
>couldn't stand the sexual tensions with the females there
is your libido completely dead now?
>i lived in youth homeless shelters in my teens and early 20's, so its not like i dont have any experience
that's good you ever happen to on the streets again.
>>203875
>we already have self-driving cars which are set to automate away all driving jobs.
Maybe, who knows. I mean, nowadays you hear about the Boeing 737 MAX scandal in the news and stuff. If they have issues with automating a plane in empty airspace, then how the fuck are they supposed to automate a vehicle on the road where there are hazards everywhere? I mean there would be a fuckton of pedestrians getting ran over by these automated cars that you're so fond of. So why don't you go ahead and invest all your money in it if you're so certain?
>we already have ai that can debate better than humans
And we had computers that could beat humans in chess already many decades ago.
>we have ai that can write music better than humans
Why aren't these songs on the radio?
>the advancements in the last 5 years in ai have dwarfed all other advancements by a landslide.
Well that's a bold fucking claim.
>the advancements in the next coming 10 years are going to literally bring about the matrix.
I bet it won't. I bet it will still be the same old, primitive, shitty ass world 10 years from now.
>we already have self-driving cars which are set to automate away all driving jobs.
Maybe, who knows. I mean, nowadays you hear about the Boeing 737 MAX scandal in the news and stuff. If they have issues with automating a plane in empty airspace, then how the fuck are they supposed to automate a vehicle on the road where there are hazards everywhere? I mean there would be a fuckton of pedestrians getting ran over by these automated cars that you're so fond of. So why don't you go ahead and invest all your money in it if you're so certain?
>we already have ai that can debate better than humans
And we had computers that could beat humans in chess already many decades ago.
>we have ai that can write music better than humans
Why aren't these songs on the radio?
>the advancements in the last 5 years in ai have dwarfed all other advancements by a landslide.
Well that's a bold fucking claim.
>the advancements in the next coming 10 years are going to literally bring about the matrix.
I bet it won't. I bet it will still be the same old, primitive, shitty ass world 10 years from now.
>>203877
>is your libido completely dead now?
no! thats the worst part. if i stay away from excessive internet use i dont have any libido pretty much, but if im browsing imageboard with all of its sexual imagery i masturbate like 1 to 3 times, slightly less than before
we all make mistakes sometimes, ya know? lol KILL ME PLEASE! wtf is wrong with me, i just want to the world to explode at this point. i dont think im going to start injecting test, but what the fuck do i even know. i unironically sexually identify as a meme
>>203881
>then how the fuck are they supposed to automate a vehicle on the road where there are hazards everywhere?
because most drivers arent licenced pilots. and most of being a pilot is already automated, its not like the 1950's where everything's manual
and automated cars drive leaps and bounds better than the AVERAGE human driver, and thats all it has to do. drive better than the average, meaning it will statistically save many lives through avoiding car crashes, etc. it doesnt have to be perfect it just has to be better. and it gets better every month significantly, and its unironically already better than the best humans at most things, its just kinda slow
ai always gets cheaper and better and more productive, where as humans stay the same. its only a matter of time
>So why don't you go ahead and invest all your money in it if you're so certain?
my neetbux are for vegan snacks and replacement computer parts. besides, theres not going to be an economy once all jobs are going to be automated
>Why aren't these songs on the radio?
maybe some of them already are, who the fuck knows how songs on the radio are made. i know more and more artists are using ai to write music for them
but whatever, believe what you want
>is your libido completely dead now?
no! thats the worst part. if i stay away from excessive internet use i dont have any libido pretty much, but if im browsing imageboard with all of its sexual imagery i masturbate like 1 to 3 times, slightly less than before
we all make mistakes sometimes, ya know? lol KILL ME PLEASE! wtf is wrong with me, i just want to the world to explode at this point. i dont think im going to start injecting test, but what the fuck do i even know. i unironically sexually identify as a meme
>>203881
>then how the fuck are they supposed to automate a vehicle on the road where there are hazards everywhere?
because most drivers arent licenced pilots. and most of being a pilot is already automated, its not like the 1950's where everything's manual
and automated cars drive leaps and bounds better than the AVERAGE human driver, and thats all it has to do. drive better than the average, meaning it will statistically save many lives through avoiding car crashes, etc. it doesnt have to be perfect it just has to be better. and it gets better every month significantly, and its unironically already better than the best humans at most things, its just kinda slow
ai always gets cheaper and better and more productive, where as humans stay the same. its only a matter of time
>So why don't you go ahead and invest all your money in it if you're so certain?
my neetbux are for vegan snacks and replacement computer parts. besides, theres not going to be an economy once all jobs are going to be automated
>Why aren't these songs on the radio?
maybe some of them already are, who the fuck knows how songs on the radio are made. i know more and more artists are using ai to write music for them
but whatever, believe what you want
>>203850
I don't really care if his thoughts are original or not. What matters is if they're true.
His insight about the erosion of human dignity, surrogate activities and the need for purposeful work is very fascinating.
As for his violence, while unfortunate, I can't hold it against him. Let's not pretend it isn't ubiquitous today even if it doesn't manifest physically.
I don't really care if his thoughts are original or not. What matters is if they're true.
His insight about the erosion of human dignity, surrogate activities and the need for purposeful work is very fascinating.
As for his violence, while unfortunate, I can't hold it against him. Let's not pretend it isn't ubiquitous today even if it doesn't manifest physically.
>>203914
>you're in /dep/, what did you expect?
What is that supposed to mean? The quality seems to be even across boards. /wiz/ doesn't feel any better to me if that's what you're implying.
>you're in /dep/, what did you expect?
What is that supposed to mean? The quality seems to be even across boards. /wiz/ doesn't feel any better to me if that's what you're implying.
>>203947
Socially well adjusted ascetic monk roleplayers who are basically normals in every sense of the word aside being virgin hold the view that /dep/ is a crab containment board. They have the same predatory personality type as normans, enjoying putting down real wizards who have actual problems, feeling rightfully depressed. Behaviors include bragging about their high status employment, bragging about their physical attributes and maintaining that the only important criteria as a wizard is to be an asexual virgin.
Socially well adjusted ascetic monk roleplayers who are basically normals in every sense of the word aside being virgin hold the view that /dep/ is a crab containment board. They have the same predatory personality type as normans, enjoying putting down real wizards who have actual problems, feeling rightfully depressed. Behaviors include bragging about their high status employment, bragging about their physical attributes and maintaining that the only important criteria as a wizard is to be an asexual virgin.
>>203773
>no replies
I mean I am not saying that my post is super deep and eye opening but this is wizchan and not academic philosophychan right?
>no replies
I mean I am not saying that my post is super deep and eye opening but this is wizchan and not academic philosophychan right?
>>203773
>>203951
What """thoughtful""" reply do you expect? People enjoy art because of the cultural sphere they live in. Some african tribesman will never understand nor enjoy van gogh, picasso or other painters. Semi-recent example - north koreans watching a k-pop group(https://i.imgur.com/Z0d70AV.gifv). Political shit aside, they were clearly not amused, while south koreans would be pissing their pants with joy.
>So in the end it comes down to what the majority thinks I guess.
Yes, that's the point.
>>203951
What """thoughtful""" reply do you expect? People enjoy art because of the cultural sphere they live in. Some african tribesman will never understand nor enjoy van gogh, picasso or other painters. Semi-recent example - north koreans watching a k-pop group(https://i.imgur.com/Z0d70AV.gifv). Political shit aside, they were clearly not amused, while south koreans would be pissing their pants with joy.
>So in the end it comes down to what the majority thinks I guess.
Yes, that's the point.
>>203947
/dep/ and /meta/ are cancer. Horrible quality, seriously.
>>203950
>hold the view that /dep/ is a crab containment board
I hate the monk roleplayers just like you but this is actually true. 7 out of 10 /dep/ threads turn out to be failed normal whining.
>wizards who have actual problems
Being lonely or being scared because you are 'left behind' aren't actual problems.
/dep/ and /meta/ are cancer. Horrible quality, seriously.
>>203950
>hold the view that /dep/ is a crab containment board
I hate the monk roleplayers just like you but this is actually true. 7 out of 10 /dep/ threads turn out to be failed normal whining.
>wizards who have actual problems
Being lonely or being scared because you are 'left behind' aren't actual problems.
>>203980
Then what are you doing here if you find /dep/ so terrible?
>Being lonely or being scared because you are 'left behind' aren't actual problems.
If you actually browsed the board you would see that most people are complaining about much worse problems than that: being trapped in a 3rd world country, forced to work a minimum wage job, having health problems and not being able to afford a doctor, abusive parents, anhedonia…
Then what are you doing here if you find /dep/ so terrible?
>Being lonely or being scared because you are 'left behind' aren't actual problems.
If you actually browsed the board you would see that most people are complaining about much worse problems than that: being trapped in a 3rd world country, forced to work a minimum wage job, having health problems and not being able to afford a doctor, abusive parents, anhedonia…
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>>203964
What's with the attitude? I thought this was a relaxed place to talk about stuff that's on our minds without having to worry about being insulted by someone wanting to boost his ego.
>Some african tribesman will never understand nor enjoy van gogh, picasso or other painters
Are you sure about that? Van Goghs paintings have pleasing colors that I think anyone would enjoy. I don't know anything about art but wasn't Picasso actually inspired by tribal art?
>Political shit aside
I think you can't just say that because I think that definetly matters here.
What's with the attitude? I thought this was a relaxed place to talk about stuff that's on our minds without having to worry about being insulted by someone wanting to boost his ego.
>Some african tribesman will never understand nor enjoy van gogh, picasso or other painters
Are you sure about that? Van Goghs paintings have pleasing colors that I think anyone would enjoy. I don't know anything about art but wasn't Picasso actually inspired by tribal art?
>Political shit aside
I think you can't just say that because I think that definetly matters here.
The most often listed "meanings of life" so far:
>procreation (biological meaning)
Following this line of thinking (which assumes that human is nothing more than an animal): all animals are material things and the meaning of these is to simply exist (physical meaning). Then, atoms that form one object are not permamently 'tied' to it, so in the end the same object in different time is made of completely different set of atoms. On this level no specific objects exist, only constantly changing mass of atoms. Is this really the right place to look for meaning?
>pleasure, contentment
Imagine eating your favorite dish, then playing your favorite games until morning and then seriously thinking "I've found the meaning of my life, that's what I want to dedicate my life to". Pleasure can only make you forget about what's your meaning.
>making up your own meaning
As in everything, good and bad choices can be made here. "Creation" (of the meaning) suggests that one should plan and construct it from scratch. Lazy or cowardly people wouldn't think of anything that would require effort or courage and even if they would, they'd still reject it. Workaholic would never make up his meaning if it would require from him to slow down with the work and spend more time on his interest for example, etc.
It's not about making (thinking, talking) but finding, and to find you have to listen. Meditate, pray, whatever.
>>>203557
>the words sense and purpose create ideas in your mind that do not actually exist
But they do. For op, the need to be noticed is so real it has grown to be his meaning of life.
>"what is the meaning of life if you are not exceptional in any way, if you do not look exceptional…
Words don't make a person, feeling do.
>>203543
OP, I don't know what your relationship with your parents is, but since they are the only people every wizard is (or was) relatively close to, I'd do something nice for them, maybe gather some field flowers, cook or bake something (what I would do) from time to time. It's a nice thing to do, maybe you'll feel better and make the people you probably mean the most to better too.
>procreation (biological meaning)
Following this line of thinking (which assumes that human is nothing more than an animal): all animals are material things and the meaning of these is to simply exist (physical meaning). Then, atoms that form one object are not permamently 'tied' to it, so in the end the same object in different time is made of completely different set of atoms. On this level no specific objects exist, only constantly changing mass of atoms. Is this really the right place to look for meaning?
>pleasure, contentment
Imagine eating your favorite dish, then playing your favorite games until morning and then seriously thinking "I've found the meaning of my life, that's what I want to dedicate my life to". Pleasure can only make you forget about what's your meaning.
>making up your own meaning
As in everything, good and bad choices can be made here. "Creation" (of the meaning) suggests that one should plan and construct it from scratch. Lazy or cowardly people wouldn't think of anything that would require effort or courage and even if they would, they'd still reject it. Workaholic would never make up his meaning if it would require from him to slow down with the work and spend more time on his interest for example, etc.
It's not about making (thinking, talking) but finding, and to find you have to listen. Meditate, pray, whatever.
>>>203557
>the words sense and purpose create ideas in your mind that do not actually exist
But they do. For op, the need to be noticed is so real it has grown to be his meaning of life.
>"what is the meaning of life if you are not exceptional in any way, if you do not look exceptional…
Words don't make a person, feeling do.
>>203543
OP, I don't know what your relationship with your parents is, but since they are the only people every wizard is (or was) relatively close to, I'd do something nice for them, maybe gather some field flowers, cook or bake something (what I would do) from time to time. It's a nice thing to do, maybe you'll feel better and make the people you probably mean the most to better too.
>>204067
learn, everything that catches your fancy, learn about it…
you never know what you might find !
learn, everything that catches your fancy, learn about it…
you never know what you might find !
>>204067
>Imagine eating your favorite dish, then playing your favorite games until morning and then seriously thinking "I've found the meaning of my life, that's what I want to dedicate my life to".
Luckily I have more than one dish I like and more than one kind of media I enjoy. And most people are probably like that too - pleasure can come in many forms.
>Pleasure can only make you forget about what's your meaning.
We do everything in the hopes of acquiring some sort of pleasure. You don't need to be a hypocrite and pretend that you are different.
>>204043
Being happy and content is the meaning of life.
>Imagine eating your favorite dish, then playing your favorite games until morning and then seriously thinking "I've found the meaning of my life, that's what I want to dedicate my life to".
Luckily I have more than one dish I like and more than one kind of media I enjoy. And most people are probably like that too - pleasure can come in many forms.
>Pleasure can only make you forget about what's your meaning.
We do everything in the hopes of acquiring some sort of pleasure. You don't need to be a hypocrite and pretend that you are different.
>>204043
Being happy and content is the meaning of life.
>>204067
>Pleasure can only make you forget about what's your meaning.
An interesting thing to say because forgetting, or distraction, is the single purpose of all of our behavior combined. It is perpetually scratching the various itches we have been cursed to endlessly feel in various places and times on our body.
The drive to try forgetting these itches exists on a level that includes all that nonsense about achievement, procreation, being respected, finding happiness and peace so that it becomes silly to zoom in on any one of these small temporary parts of it as if it is THE meaning in life. I'd just refer to it as self maintenance.
>Pleasure can only make you forget about what's your meaning.
An interesting thing to say because forgetting, or distraction, is the single purpose of all of our behavior combined. It is perpetually scratching the various itches we have been cursed to endlessly feel in various places and times on our body.
The drive to try forgetting these itches exists on a level that includes all that nonsense about achievement, procreation, being respected, finding happiness and peace so that it becomes silly to zoom in on any one of these small temporary parts of it as if it is THE meaning in life. I'd just refer to it as self maintenance.
>>204183
>An interesting thing to say because forgetting, or distraction, is the single purpose of all of our behavior combined.
Are you one of those imbeciles who believe that everything is a coping mechanism?
>An interesting thing to say because forgetting, or distraction, is the single purpose of all of our behavior combined.
Are you one of those imbeciles who believe that everything is a coping mechanism?
>>204194
There are things people genuinely enjoy and which bring them true happiness. So just because you fail at finding those things which make you happy and content you shouldn't force your misery unto others.
There are things people genuinely enjoy and which bring them true happiness. So just because you fail at finding those things which make you happy and content you shouldn't force your misery unto others.