most of us are so fucking unattractive, retarded, uneducated, unlovable, lazy/unambitious etc… that there is no point in continuing this misery.
even when some try to gaslight themselves that their loser-lifestyle can be comfy, we all deep down know that this isnt supposed to be *life*.
objectively, we're the bottom of the barrel, rock bottom essentially; we can only cope by escaping reality and isolating ourselves and anytime we encounter the real fucking world, we're deemed as fucking subhumans by others AND ourselves.
we're rotting, just wasting space, energy and oxygen while the only thing left for us is waiting to die, respectively.
i dont get how we all havent already committed suicide by now cuz our fucking trash genetics have been haunting us for our entire existence, yet we collectively and voluntarily decided to continue living. why the fuck are we so stupid???
because in reality it's not that bad. yeah, you're missing out on money and pussy, but most of us live in develop countries and have parents that support us and the ones that work aren't working in mineshafts all day.
maybe stop complaining for a second that you aren't a billioner fucking pornstars everyday and appreciate what you have?
>>298058 Eh I think it's all about perspective. There are monks who have less than I do who live contentedly. I don't have to do backbreaking labor in a factory for 18h a day. I have electricity and drinkable running water and plenty of time to wander around my area with lots of nature. I get along well with my parents and will be able to live with them until they die. Sure sometimes the loneliness gets to me or the dreams and ideas that I had about my life when I was younger that never materialized. But the freedom of being a "loser" is that I don't need to pretend to care about made up milestones. I used to struggle a lot to get myself to be a certain way, to be less ashamed of myself. Not so much anymore. At the end of the day it's not so bad. "Every era puts invisible shackles on those who live through it, and I can only dance in my chains." But dance I shall, for my own amusement.
>>298078 I wont leave a note or manifesto. Leaving one is very narcissistic and gives the impression the person thinks it makes any difference. Nobody cares that you or I existed.
Nobody even cares that the great pharaohs of Egypt existed, outside one guy (Tutankhamon) whose body is on display to fat tourists like a circus animal.
The significance of a single human life is similar to an ant, bird or snake. Nobody cares if one of them dies. You were never significant. I was never significant.
The person who cares about you the most is you. Once you die, traces of your existence will be erased completely within decades to the point you'll be a record in a digital registry and a date on a tombstone nobody visits.
>>298080 I wouldn't go so far. If you have people who care about you I think there's nothing bad about leaving them a note. That being said I agree that this striving for immortality through status or achievement is a huge cope. All returns to dust either way. We're here to experience life. Nothing more.
>>298081 To parents yes (if they gave a shit about you). I meant to the broader public.
Seeing even how "grand manifests" like the one written by Ted Kaczynski had zero effect on society & are ultimately futile, why do it at all?
Humans are animals and primarily care about their own survival and dopamine levels. They don't care about grand ideas or mechanisms. Trying to propagate them after death by written text is doomed to fail the moment you die. Nobody will care.
>>298082 >To parents yes (if they gave a shit about you). I meant to the broader public. Fascinating that you would write in reference to the public and think we know you are doing that. Normal people would make notes only for family/friends, and assume that the conversation is about that
>>298058 I would kill myself but only if it's done in a way that I like, that is, I get an anaesthesia administered by a doctor like the way they do before operations and have soldiers aim their assault rifles at my head and then blast me to nothingness.
With that said I will be honest with you here. I just wanted and still want very basic things in life like being able to drive correctly and confidently (I can't reverse properly and don't know how far I am from the fence looking at my side mirrors and I can't parallel park either), have a house, have a family, be physically be able to have sex (I can't get hard and when I do it is painful because of phimosis and frenulum breve, and even when that is coped with I can't cum because of being high inhibition and feeling unattractive no succubus wants a guy like me), have a job.
I don't think I have ever asked for much I know the disdain this comment is going to get, I just wanted a normal life. I don't wanna die because somewhere deep down inside i have hope that things will be fine or I am just too cowardly to attempt suicide.
Overall, a pretty horrific situation where you're not really living and not really dying but slowly inching towards personal disaster.
>>298096 This is very untrue. People here are ready to chop heads off at very minor fender benders. And while most people don't follow rules. They are bad drivers in that sense of not following rules. But apart from that you won't believe this but drivers here are extremely skilled and drive and push themselves into places with just a needle sized margin. Driving requires extreme skill here. And if you ignore the rule following part people here are extremely skilled at driving.
>>298110 Using Occam's razor this makes a lot of sense, because for most people in that hellish traffic, much of their net worth and money is tied up to the car they drive. It is s great motivator for avoiding damage.
>>298058 Mostly because my self-preservation instinct is too strong. But maybe I'll do it one day. It's almost innevitable at this point, but I can always do it later when things become too unbearable.
>>298058 because I simply don't believe in an afterlife (as much as I'd like to), so living will always inherently be better than being dead, because being dead = nonexistence. if I commit suicide to free myself from whatever pain I have while living, but there isn't an afterlife, I will experience no catharsis from dying, as I won't consciously exist anymore to feel better. if there is something after death, great, but the way I see it, we only experience the one life we have, as shitty as it is
>>298058 why, i will try of course. only got a week left at most so it's the last day i talk to people. im quitting sleeping, eating, interacting with anyone, or doing anything at all. I'll also go homeless to destroy all my chances for inaction. There is almost no risk since once i run out of drugs im guaranteed to get endless seizures cause of my addiction and i only have a few days left until that, so no matter what method i choose it won't make it worse than what it already is. Time to gamble that a train will make mincemeat out of me and get me out of hell, if i lose then at least i tried.
>>298058 >why shouldnt we all just kill ourselves? Atleast in my case, irrational survival instict. I at most want to die and go through the process of self destructing, but won't simply go through with suicide.
>>299332 >so living will always inherently be better than being dead How wizardly. Only normalfags believe that nonsense. >we only experience the one life we have, as shitty as it is You only want to experience this shit because you are slave to self preservation instinct, failed normalfag.
>>299332 I agree on the nonexistence lot, but I welcome it. I don't even care if my body continues to function, so long *I* can no longer consciously be, it doesn't matter. There is no greater torment than existence unending. I lived too long already, twice as much as I've ever planned to and now I am just tired.
>>299332 >because I simply don't believe in an afterlife as much as I'd like to So you want to be isekaied into i have no mouth and i must scream? Afterlife is not good thing, its continuation of this meaningless suffering.
>>298058 Even assuming the loser lifestyle is worse than the alternatives, why would you axiomatically assume that death is better?
More than anything it sounds like you're guilty of being alive as a loser. Not all of us are. I find it fun to live without responsibilities and no goals constantly stressing me out. This lifestyle is a never-before-seen-in-history luxury afforded to me by a prosperous western society and I'm grateful for it.
Drop the guilt weighing heavy on your shoulders and learn to have fun with life.
I guess this is my depression spinning something positive into a negative but to me that's the cruel part of my existance: I feel like the world I was born into is incredible. Just that somehow from empty space we got this rock that allowed for some bacteria to exist that turned into this diverse collection of animals and humans who managed to build this incredibly complex society and create so much content. I feel like living in this reality is like winning a lottery even though it's a lottery you wouldn't be aware of losing since you didn't exist before being born here.
But the cruel part is that I can't fully enjoy it because of my low energy, anhedonia, anxiety and health issues and aging just adds more problems with time. So I feel stuck. In a way life being so amazing adds to my suffering because I keep thinking of what I am missing out. I just want another chance at this life but with a good body but that doesn't seem possible.
>>300073 Being happy or not is a choice and we make it every day. That's an eternal human truth, regardless of whether you're a normalfag or wizard. I learned from many hard lessons to be grateful of what I have, and to make peace with what I don't. I welcome you to do the same.
>>300077 that's just your assumption. who knows what existential horrors await you in the next dimension. could be nothingness, could be some form of hell, not even designed by some deity as punishment, but like just a natural consequence of physical laws. we don't even know how consciousness works, it's connected to the brain, but that isn't the whole story at all.
>>299332 this. any feeling be it good or bad derrived from being alive is more than when i am dead. I have an eternity to be dead, I only have so long to live and experience now
I tried suicide. It's hard. At least for me it is. And it's risky because you can actually end up in a worse state by causing harm to your body or mind and ending up as vegetable. It's not worth the risk simply unless you know you will have to endure long periods of suffering for sure (going to prison for a long time for example or having a disease that's painful but doesn't kill you fast). In that case, if you have nothing to lose, go for it. But otherwise I don't recommend experimenting with it. >this isn't supposed to be life Well, that's interesting, so what is LIFE like then? Date and have sex with as much succubi as you can (never mind all the horrible stuff that can come with it, like stds, unwanted pregnancies, stupid drama, fighting with other men for succubi and what not), then get stuck with a succubus who will give birth to a couple of ungrateful kids who in turn won't care about you once you stop being useful to them, wifey will cuck you with your best buddies because she will be bored and you'll have to work night and day to support your dear family like a responsible man does…but at least on the weekends you can brag to your equally normal and boring friends about how you've made it in life…yay, I guess.
Wake up, Neo. What you and other people idealize as the life is just an illusion designed to trap you into doing certain things you wouldn't even think of doing if you had seen things clearly. If anything is meaningless it's the official depiction of what life should be like. You don't want that superficial, boring and nihilistic spiral to be your life.
>>299332 This. There is absolutely no evidence as to what happens after death all the science and logic has to say is that you go in a dreamless sleep like you've had as a kid where you sleep and suddenly you wake up. That is what's up except you don't wake up. No point in committing suicide.
I wish i was as naive as you guys. Can't even think of why someone would want to kill themselves? Even having the comfort of being able to debate it. My life is so destroyed that there's been nowhere to go online or offline for years, i have infinite diseases and a hardcore addiction thats gonna kill me or make a vegetable when i run out and i'll run out very soon. Dying is lonely. Count your lucky stars because you don't know how bad things can actually get, you can't even imagine it in your head.
>>300139 infinite debt. undiagnosed GI tract problems that make eating a painful chore, hugely misaligned spine, heart, lung, muscles, weakness, brain…everything, cant walk, eat or sleep more 2 hours normally, it doesnt matter what anymore. I take a pack of xanax a day so 30 mg so around 8 times the maximum dose and im still so anxious i cant even think. years too late for me. my life spiraled starting from me believing that the mental health system will help me with depression that made life unbearable, so i paid a fortune to the best specialists in the country and got told by everyone they can't help me. Then i lost my physical heatlh, money, any enjoyment, and became an addict. My whole family is mentally ill broke and insane and i never had my own room, a centimeter of space or a second of silence. After that it was just misery and slow dying, there is nothing left in this world that can even extend my existence. In a more compassionate world i would be euthanized, but in reality the only option i have is to get my head cut off by a train. Probably less than 2 weeks left. So bye strangers cause i have no one to say goodbye to. Good thing for you is that 99% of people will off themselves before they experience 10% of my agony, and for good reason, so you don't have to worry about that. I ended up ranting pointlessly again but that's the story i repeated many times on this site, because all i did for months was keep suffering and getting my pills and praying satan will take me from this hell.
>>298058 >poor looks being a bad thing No, Life=misery.
This equation is truth. If you're pretty then you are at higher risk of getting raped, sexually harassed, seen as a fuck meat, a magnet for attracting lots of insincere freaks and bullying. Pretty people always live in the fear of losing their looks and when they lose their looks it hits them like tons of bricks and selfish people around them secretly enjoy their misery and pity them like a dog.
>>300144 >Life=misery. >This equation is truth Wrong >Life=misery, a painful rape before death. Confirmed: If you're alive then you're not a virgin becuz life has already FUCKED you
>>300144 Beauty is a double-edged sword like most things, it can have positive and negative effects on your life. But being ugly is just simply a negative that doesn't get you anything good. So while being attractive isn't all that great it's thought to be by many, it's still much more preferable to being ordinary looking or being ugly.
>>298058 I would be satisfied with my NEET lifestyle, if only I didn't have this annoying OCD and a dysfunctional family. Still suicide is simple too hard for me and I don't know what there is after.
>>298058 If you have to ask, then your situation might not be as bad as you think. Death is a scary thing and it's hard to go through with it unless your life is permanently ruined, which is rare.
I enjoy my escapism and engage in some productive activites for the sake of my mental health. I really don't think society has any right to shit on me given how retarded and clownish it is. Not that anyone cares about my existence in the first place.
At least for me, I think my resilience can be explained by the Jungian concept that what matters psychologically is not the absolute state you’re in, but the difference between where you were and where you are now.
My journey is an ascending one, not descending: >born in a third world country >mother was a housekeeper and dad was a alcoholic NEET >suffer from social anxiety and selective mutism since childhood >early on realized that I would never be able to work a normal job >decide to find ways to work from home >learn English by myself and become a freelancer >eventually land several jobs >become so requested that I'm able to outsource some of my work to other family members and friends >singlehandedly lifted my family out of poverty and into middle class life
Right now I'm trying to go one step beyond and either become overemployed (working 2 to several jobs at the same time) or start my own business.
Socially speaking, I'm still the same anxious weirdo borderline hikikomori I was as a kid, but given the cards I was dealt, I think I'm doing pretty good. That is enough for me to value my existence and discard suicidal thoughts, which I used to have during childhood/adolescence.
>>299332 And on the flipside, I find nonexistence to be the most comforting ending possible I already feel like I've experienced way too much for one brain, eternal nothing sounds comforting, no awareness, no stress, no feelings, no boredom, nothing, like how it used to be before this whole mess.
>>302162 Given that I have a dick problem that prevents me from feeling any sexual desire for the rest of my life, would you say that my life is permanently ruined? I know this isn't what life is all about, but it's an important part of it. I feel so empty. I want to jump off a cliff, but like many anons, I'm afraid of what lies ahead.
Because I believe me, and many of you who are here have actually pretty good lives. If you think about it, if you can write here, if you don't have a delibitating physical disability, if you are not blind, if you are not a cripple, if you are not paralyzed from neck down, if you didn't get abused as a child, if you didn't grow up in a warzone, if you haven't seen nothing but war and bloodshed since the moment you were born, if you haven't seen your mother torn to shreds with a cluster bomb, if you haven't seen endless piles of dead bodies on a frontline, if you haven't been trafficked and forced into unspeakable things, if you never knew what extreme thirst and hunger feels like, you have a pretty darn good life compared to a pretty substantial portion of the human population.
If you are a NEET, that means your parents haven't given up on you yet. They could have thrown you to the streets, and yet they didn't. They could have forced you into a shit job, and yet they didn't. They could have beat you and abused you and screamed at you every day, and yet they didn't. Your life is not that bad. Being ugly, being a virgin, being fat, having been ostracized, these are not real problems. There are millions of people on Earth who would trade places with us without hesitation. When I think about these things, I feel grateful for the life that I have been given, and I feel I must do my best with what I have.
>>304163 who said you wont eventually get to experience all these bad things? even if your parents dont hate you, at some point they will die and any day you could become a cripple or get some cancer or some other annoying disease or become homeless. any day you could become victim of a crime or find yourself in a warzone. imo the true horror is having a comfy life and then having it torn away from under your ass and taking a deep look down the abyss of how fucking bad things can get.
>>304163 This kind of thinking is absolutely disgusting, basically everyone should'nt kill themselves because they aren't Indian you are saying. screw you