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 No.41822[View All]

what language are you learning and what tools do you use to learn it?
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 No.57170

>>41822
Japanese using the most primitive technology available to me: books, pen and paper. Any time spent behind the glowing dopamine rectangle is an opportunity to become distracted. I am putting my productivity in jeopardy at this very moment.

 No.57957

I am going to try and learn Spanish. I've never really tried to learn a language before and didn't turn up for my French classes in school.

 No.57967

I am learning Portuguese. I been at it for about a month so far and I like learning it. This is the first language I've tried to learn

 No.57993

Over 5 years ago I spent about 6 months learning Norwegian for a few hours every day. It got to a point I could have conversations with a guy I knew online (only in text, his accent was hard to understand, and my pronunciation was dogshit) I used a "Teach Yourself" course to get a basic grasp of grammar and some words and then used Anki to learn a few thousand more words.

Forgotten 99% of it now because I no longer speak to him, there's barely any good Norwegian content and I won't be living in Norway in the future.

Can't think of any language that I would actually use on even a semi-rare basis these day (besides English of course), so it seems pointless to learn any as I'll only end up forgetting that one also.

 No.57995

>>57993

>Forgotten 99% of it now because I no longer speak to him, there's barely any good Norwegian content and I won't be living in Norway in the future.



that's why you don't choose a language of a shit culture that has no cultural content

that's why i chose japanese

 No.58142

>>57995
I think nearly every country has a shit culture; Japanese included

 No.58274

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I have been learning Japanese with an immersion based approach for the past 2.5 months and so far I am up to 2000 anki cards, I finished reading a grammar guide (for recognition only, no memorization) and I have spent roughly 100 hours immersing. The number is quite low because never immersed during my first 4 weeks. (WHICH I STRONLGY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO, TOLERATE THE AMBIGUITY)

I have also spent over 1500 hours listening to Japanese prior to any sort of study and that might have given me a slight advantage in terms of listening comprehension. I'm not sure. At this point I can already follow easy SOL anime, but most details are lost, I simply understand enough to follow the plot and it is actually quite enjoyable. I'm mainly posting this with the hopes that I will return here one day as this thread seems like it will stay up for a while and then I'll get to see how far I have come with the language and report my progress.

I know for sure that this method will work as it is what I did to learn English, and to you native speakers, can you spot any mistakes? Starting a new language made me realize how good I actually am at English, it's incredible how well immersion works, you eventually just get such a strong intuition for how the language is supposed to sound that mistakes are almost inconceivable.

Anyways, for those who want to follow a similar approach, and hate all shitty textbooks and the like I recommend you look up Refold/AJATT. Good luck with whatever language that you're currently learning and see you in the future.

 No.58277

>>58274
I'm genuinely happy for you. I hope you become fluent in it.

My depression and brain fog makes it literally impossible to even remember one single japanese symbol.

I once studied some basics like written numerals in Japanese, and I can't remember a single thing.

 No.58725

I would recommend watching anime in 5 minute segments and watching those 5 minute segments with japanese subtitles(and english subtitles as a guide) over and over again. if you are a beginnger i would recommend you watch the segments 5 times each to build up your japanese and then you can do each segment 3 times instead of 5 after you attain a certain level

I learned so much japanese by doing this

 No.58926

>>58274
The Refold guy did an interview recently. It has confirmed some of my suspicions that language learning is subconscious and all the traditional methods miss the mark with the focus on grammar and conscious processing.

I'm currently trying to learn German (maybe Japanese one day) through this method, by focusing on immersion and comprehensible input. There's this great series of educational movies called "Nicos Weg" that go through A1, A2 and B1 levels of German in a very progressive way through storytelling. I've been watching it without subtitles and I can follow the storyline and pick up new words through context. I've also started doing some Anki German vocab on the side, but I don't focus on hard memorization, simply to be able to recognize words when they occur naturally as an aid to immersion.

Immersion is definitely the way to go, but I'm still thinking about how to optimize the process. What immersion achieves is just giving you a lot of INPUT which may be comprehensible or not, depending on random chance. Media like "Nicos Weg" is really good, since it goes progressively in terms of difficulty, getting close to the ideal "i+1" which is when you know most of the words and you're able to infer the meaning of the rest, that seems like an optimal point to be. But there isn't a lot of media that's designed to be that way, stuff like movies, tv shows and the news can vary greatly in terms of difficulty.

It seems to me, the more you're hitting that "i+1" optimal point, the more effective your acquisition. Immersion is good, but it's sort of a blind approach that can take years, depending on what you choose to immerse with. This is something AI could help with in the future, judging your current level of comprehension, then recommending media or even generating new media that is close to that "i+1" point for you

>>58725
This is an interesting approach, but it can get quite boring seeing the same scene over and over again. It also seems very similar to memorization, where you're trying to drill in the vocabulary by mapping the subtitles to what the anime character are saying.

However, re-watching stuff is probably a good idea. I think watching something new with subtitles once gives you a basic understanding of the plot and characters, and then re-watching it without subtitles many times will increase the chance of getting comprehensible input.

 No.58936

>>58274
>2.5 months
>2000 anki cards
wtf, how are you retaining all that? I'm at 1 month and I only know about 150 words and a bit of grammar, I go over the same 15~ or so words every day for a few days until I move on, otherwise I can't remember crap

 No.59072

I've taught myself French, Spanish, German, Italian, and Russian to the point where I can read anything and listen to anything with ease. I'm currently intermediate in Japanese and learning Mandarin. Besides those, I've tinkered around with maybe 15-20 other languages and dialects. For Japanese, I started off with Genki and Assimil then right onto various elementary graded readers. Currently I'm going through light novels and watching movies. For Mandarin, I'm using Assimil then will quickly go onto graded readers since I think my kanji knowledge gave me a boost with hanzi.

 No.59075

>>59072
>Russian to the point where I can read anything and listen to anything with ease.
What's your native language? It's so hard if you're not a Slavic native speaker.

 No.59082

>>59075
English. It is hard, yes. In some ways I would say it's harder than Japanese or Mandarin. What worked for me after the beginner/intermediate stages was speedrunning through tons of Russian media with English subs to get used to the sounds of speech then forcing myself to go through novels that I knew would have somewhat easier vocabulary like thrillers. Sitcoms, of which there are many Russian ones, without subtitles will also be crucial because they tend to talk clearer and due to the short episode length it's easier to stay engaged.

 No.59107

>>58926
>German (maybe Japanese one day)
Good for you.

 No.59109

>>56951
That is a good reason.

 No.59110

If I learnt a new language it would probably be German because I know a bit from school or Japanese because I could start absorbing little bits from anime and get some of the practice without effort.
I guess I should just pick one and stick with it but I couldn't decide which one so instead I did nothing for years.

Another option would be a mediterranean language so I could move to a beautiful place with good weather.
I should have done it when I could be neet, now I don't know if I'll get around to doing it.

 No.59112

>>59110
The fraction of words you would pick up from anime is like a grain of sand compared to what you actually need to be functional in Japanese. You really need a solid reason to learn a language if you want to be motivated to keep at it.

 No.59113

>>59112
>You really need a solid reason to learn a language
It's simple.
Spite.

 No.59114

>>59112
Of course I'd have to mostly do other kinds of practice but I think I'm significantly better than average at absorbing language skills like that.

 No.59279

I've been improving my Japanese and reading some novels now. One thing I need to start doing more is watching more Japanese films and series to get better listening skills. On another note, I took a kanji test recently. It consisted of knowing the kanji and each reading for which my results were around the 750 kanji. Those are not counting the ones I only recognized and didn't know the readings which would have put my estimated kanji level at around 900. I've still got a long way to go for the joyo.

 No.59774

>>56399
> Unfortunately Japanese needs Kanji because of the extreme amount of homophones.

Not true at all. Korean has just as many homophones and there was no major issue with phasing out kanji. Japan could do the same if it had the will.

 No.60512

I am going to be taking a German class as an elective at my university. I'm very excited but also very nervous as it's been a long time since I've tried to learn a new language.

 No.60694

Germanfag here, would love to learn Russian.

 No.60745

>>60744
Also, not him.

 No.60746

>>60694
Media recomendation in German?

 No.60747

>>51784
>comfy place
>music
>wirez
>second language for programming
>refuge from western woke censorship/culture
>sounds cool

 No.60927

Is there any FREE site or app where you can learn to speak english by talking to other people?

 No.60933

>>60927
Omegle video chat people and ask them if they speak English until you get one

 No.60939

I'm learning sanskrit.

 No.61169


>>60939
You and the Persian learner are intriguing. Many here generically learn Japanese and Romance languages, because muh anime and muh Rome. Can I ask why Sanskrit?

 No.61170

>>61169
Began learning it because of Buddhism but I find literature in Sanskrit like Kathasaritsagara and the Hindu epics to be equally worth it and fascinating.

 No.61173

>>41822
Anyone know any course or website (preferably free or dirt cheap) that I can learn Malay from?

 No.61174

>>61173
Why Malay?

 No.61177

>>61169
I've studied Arabic, Farsi, and Egyptian hieroglyphs. The reason most people don't advance that much is because the media and materials available in languages like those are not even close to the quantity and quality of those in Western European countries and Japan/Korea

 No.61193

>>61174
Because my mother's family speaks Malay (They're Javanese Singaporeans) and I also live in a place with a sizeable Malay population

 No.61226

>>60939
I would love to learn sanskrit at some point, too, and be able to read the Mahabharata.
I've also began reading buddhism but in chinese. Of course chinese buddhism is full of transliterations from sanskrit which look whacky in chinese and makes it nearly unreadable.

 No.61228

not needing to rely on translators for manga or doujins and anime would awesome, but in a way the budren of trsnslation acts as a filter and TYPICALLY only good stuff gets picked up anyways so i am not missing much. at least for manga however, something truly unfortunate happens quite often, groups will just stop translating and drop series and they will never get picked up again and finished. this sucks so fucking much, especially when you're following their releases and they just stop… the agony. knowing japanese i could finally escape that hell. it is a huge commitment though, i don't think i have it in me

 No.61240

>>41822
Lately learning Russian. I'm not as interested in linguistics as I used to be, but my mother speaks Russian so I gotta improve my skills.

 No.61241

>>61240
Are you learning from zero?

>>61228
You could learn hiragana and katakana in a few days then finish a beginner's course within a few months. Getting from nothing to intermediate in Japanese should take maybe six months if you study at least 10 hours a week

 No.61270

English is the language I've been learning. Now I've reached a point where I want to start visiting some English websites on a daily basis, but my English is not good enough to freely converse with native speakers. At the same time I'm fed up with the intellectual level of the online communities in my native language. I'm like an online refugee.

 No.61695

I just decided that I'm going to give up on learning Japanese. I'm not that good at learning languages, to be honest I'm pretty much a brainlet, and I forget kanji really fast. It's a lot of effort, and all of this just for the weeb meme. It's not worth it. I would prefer to learn simple languages ​​related to my mother tongue (Spanish) like Portuguese and Italian and hopefully I will read works by Pessoa, Dante and Leopardi.

 No.61740

Russian and ancient greek. But it seem it will really take a long time before I can achieve my goals of fluently reading in either.

 No.61741

>>61695
I kinda regret trying to learn japanese, but now I don't know how to give it up for all the effort and time I put on, I feel stuck. I also think that if I had chosen a language that was at least indo-european I might have it learned already.

 No.61743

Learning Spanish, watching a 10 minute spanish video every day, slowly reading a spanish book, playing WoW on a spanish free server.

 No.61745

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>>61743
You're lucky that there's a huge anime, manga, and VN Spanish-speaking community. They've even translated many VN's that are likely to never get an English translation (or that English-speaking fans have been waiting forever to get translated) like SayoOshi, Sakura no Uta, Tsui no Sora remake. I've also found some manga that have been getting translated very slowly in English, had already been finished in Spanish (Violence Jack, for instance).

I'd recommend to watch and read all your anime, manga and VNs in Spanish. This is all assuming you even like those things, of course.

On the other hand, I don't think I can recommend any Spanish-speaking TV shows or contemporary movies. From what I've seen it's all shitty romcoms, Narco stuff, or just plain annoying normalfag shit. I do highly recommend all movies from the Mexican Golden Age of cinema. They're all really good and you can find many of them on youtube.

 No.61746

>>61745
>conchas de Bulma
Top lel

 No.62249

>>41822
i don't know of a latin lexicon so i use google translate as my lexicon while trying to translate newton's philosophae naturalis principia mathematica by hand

 No.62250

>>62249
You know you can use Whitaker's words, right?

 No.62259

I've been reading "Russian for the mathematician", an old Springer book that looks like it was typeset with an old typewriter. Outside appareances, I find it to be a very good book, at least for me. It streamlines the lessons by restricting the language to that most useful for mathematics, for example, verbs are not described by their full conjugations, only for он/она/оно, мы, они, and the rest are not even mentioned. It ends with a section of readings which I guess (I haven't got there) can be read with just the content of the rest of the book.
The absolutely best feature of the book, though, is the systematic study of russian morphology. It teaches words not by themselves but by their roots and the use of prepositions with verbs to form new words.


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