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what language are you learning and what tools do you use to learn it?
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>Kanji is stupid and ineffective as fuck
Kanji itself is very obsolete. In your language, just learning latin alphabet, you can read anything since your are child, japenese people are haigly limitated to acquiring knowledge from books in early ages.


I preffer using books to build grammar progressively and kanji. I had a very frustrating experience trying to learnig latin with iuxtalineal. I found that is totally better to me learning grammar first, after that go for original reading material. Like 1.5 years learning latin until I am able to read Virgil, Terency, Cicero, etc. Now I'm learning japanese form gramatical books, since 6 months ago.


It didn't felt that way, but I'm interested if that's actually the case or not. To me, it's more of a matter of vocabulary rather than the letters they use.


Kanji characters are complex but they're not obsolete. Replacing the vocab with kana alone would make it completely nonsense even with spaces. Unfortunately Japanese needs Kanji because of the extreme amount of homophones.


And also kanji is cool



>Where did you get your japanese subbed anime?


you can get srt or ass files here


Any recommendations for learning Arabic


I've been completing an average of 5 crowns (levels) per day on duolingo between spanish and chinese for the past 2 months. It seems rather discouraging to realize I have to keep this up for several years to learn a language. I'm already getting burnt out after just 2 months.


You need to either start browsing spanish & chinese internet or watching spanish & chinese shows. Without putting the language to any practical use you'll never become fluent.


I will do that once I finish the duolingo courses. I already watch chinese anime but that's just for fun at this point because I only recognize a few words. There is an extension called language learning for netflix that will let you put two sets of subtitles on the screen and do other stuff like slow it down or pause it after each scene automatically to make it easier to comprehend what you're watching. I plan to use that after I finish duolingo to work on listening/reading comprehension. I tried it already but I think it would be more useful when I have more vocabulary. After that I will start to do reading books, writing posts online, and then speaking in that order.


Read chinese kids books and play videogames in Chinese. For video games you can pause and quickly look up vocabulary too. Pokemon is a favourite among language learners because of its simply vocabulary and its lack of realtime elements.


I've been learning Spanish for 2 months and it's easy to reach B1 in the following months. It goes well with some podcasts while playing Euro Truck Simulator 2.


What made you decide to learn Spanish?


Sorry for the late reply. it's been 3 months, but I've made so much progress.

>why Spanish?

beucase it's easier to advance in this language, compared to Russian, which I studied for years.


when i watch movies in spanish (or whatever your target language is ), should i use spanish subs, english subs, or just go no subs at all?


the target language, if you use another you'll think in that language instead of the target


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I have been learning english for 8 years and I'm quite proficient at written communication (I think), but my accent is pretty bad because…

I have never spoken english out loud except for a few times on an english studying club from which I dropped after a day and that was many years ago.

I dont have any speech partners either and my family doesnt like speaking it by myself for some reason, so I dont (its weird to explain but I also feel uncomfortable doing it)

How could I practice my speech without a partner? I wonder if I even should since I never expect to go to an english speaking country, much less make online friends. I simply picked up the language as I spent more time on the internet and now my internal speech is in english.

Btw Im a native spanish speaker. Pic semi-related


Hi there, you could always try maybe use a discord server to practicse talking the english? just an idea


Make youtube videos, start streaming, spam vocaroo links on imageboards. All methods that doesn't require direct social interaction.


I am learning Persian. It's hard to find resources and media devices to consume though, but I like the language.


What made you pick Persian? Never heard of anyone wanting to learn that one before.


I live in Turkey, that's why.


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Did I post this while I was sleeping?


el español es chill as fuck


>In fact I've learned about ~3000 vocab words purely in romaji
Holy fuck, imagine knowing 3000 words and not being able to read most of them, that must be depressing


a year later, I must thank you. now I'm still learning Russian and I'll take your advice really serious.


Japanese using the most primitive technology available to me: books, pen and paper. Any time spent behind the glowing dopamine rectangle is an opportunity to become distracted. I am putting my productivity in jeopardy at this very moment.


I am going to try and learn Spanish. I've never really tried to learn a language before and didn't turn up for my French classes in school.


I am learning Portuguese. I been at it for about a month so far and I like learning it. This is the first language I've tried to learn


Over 5 years ago I spent about 6 months learning Norwegian for a few hours every day. It got to a point I could have conversations with a guy I knew online (only in text, his accent was hard to understand, and my pronunciation was dogshit) I used a "Teach Yourself" course to get a basic grasp of grammar and some words and then used Anki to learn a few thousand more words.

Forgotten 99% of it now because I no longer speak to him, there's barely any good Norwegian content and I won't be living in Norway in the future.

Can't think of any language that I would actually use on even a semi-rare basis these day (besides English of course), so it seems pointless to learn any as I'll only end up forgetting that one also.



>Forgotten 99% of it now because I no longer speak to him, there's barely any good Norwegian content and I won't be living in Norway in the future.

that's why you don't choose a language of a shit culture that has no cultural content

that's why i chose japanese


I think nearly every country has a shit culture; Japanese included


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I have been learning Japanese with an immersion based approach for the past 2.5 months and so far I am up to 2000 anki cards, I finished reading a grammar guide (for recognition only, no memorization) and I have spent roughly 100 hours immersing. The number is quite low because never immersed during my first 4 weeks. (WHICH I STRONLGY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO, TOLERATE THE AMBIGUITY)

I have also spent over 1500 hours listening to Japanese prior to any sort of study and that might have given me a slight advantage in terms of listening comprehension. I'm not sure. At this point I can already follow easy SOL anime, but most details are lost, I simply understand enough to follow the plot and it is actually quite enjoyable. I'm mainly posting this with the hopes that I will return here one day as this thread seems like it will stay up for a while and then I'll get to see how far I have come with the language and report my progress.

I know for sure that this method will work as it is what I did to learn English, and to you native speakers, can you spot any mistakes? Starting a new language made me realize how good I actually am at English, it's incredible how well immersion works, you eventually just get such a strong intuition for how the language is supposed to sound that mistakes are almost inconceivable.

Anyways, for those who want to follow a similar approach, and hate all shitty textbooks and the like I recommend you look up Refold/AJATT. Good luck with whatever language that you're currently learning and see you in the future.


I'm genuinely happy for you. I hope you become fluent in it.

My depression and brain fog makes it literally impossible to even remember one single japanese symbol.

I once studied some basics like written numerals in Japanese, and I can't remember a single thing.


I would recommend watching anime in 5 minute segments and watching those 5 minute segments with japanese subtitles(and english subtitles as a guide) over and over again. if you are a beginnger i would recommend you watch the segments 5 times each to build up your japanese and then you can do each segment 3 times instead of 5 after you attain a certain level

I learned so much japanese by doing this


The Refold guy did an interview recently. It has confirmed some of my suspicions that language learning is subconscious and all the traditional methods miss the mark with the focus on grammar and conscious processing.

I'm currently trying to learn German (maybe Japanese one day) through this method, by focusing on immersion and comprehensible input. There's this great series of educational movies called "Nicos Weg" that go through A1, A2 and B1 levels of German in a very progressive way through storytelling. I've been watching it without subtitles and I can follow the storyline and pick up new words through context. I've also started doing some Anki German vocab on the side, but I don't focus on hard memorization, simply to be able to recognize words when they occur naturally as an aid to immersion.

Immersion is definitely the way to go, but I'm still thinking about how to optimize the process. What immersion achieves is just giving you a lot of INPUT which may be comprehensible or not, depending on random chance. Media like "Nicos Weg" is really good, since it goes progressively in terms of difficulty, getting close to the ideal "i+1" which is when you know most of the words and you're able to infer the meaning of the rest, that seems like an optimal point to be. But there isn't a lot of media that's designed to be that way, stuff like movies, tv shows and the news can vary greatly in terms of difficulty.

It seems to me, the more you're hitting that "i+1" optimal point, the more effective your acquisition. Immersion is good, but it's sort of a blind approach that can take years, depending on what you choose to immerse with. This is something AI could help with in the future, judging your current level of comprehension, then recommending media or even generating new media that is close to that "i+1" point for you

This is an interesting approach, but it can get quite boring seeing the same scene over and over again. It also seems very similar to memorization, where you're trying to drill in the vocabulary by mapping the subtitles to what the anime character are saying.

However, re-watching stuff is probably a good idea. I think watching something new with subtitles once gives you a basic understanding of the plot and characters, and then re-watching it without subtitles many times will increase the chance of getting comprehensible input.


>2.5 months
>2000 anki cards
wtf, how are you retaining all that? I'm at 1 month and I only know about 150 words and a bit of grammar, I go over the same 15~ or so words every day for a few days until I move on, otherwise I can't remember crap


I've taught myself French, Spanish, German, Italian, and Russian to the point where I can read anything and listen to anything with ease. I'm currently intermediate in Japanese and learning Mandarin. Besides those, I've tinkered around with maybe 15-20 other languages and dialects. For Japanese, I started off with Genki and Assimil then right onto various elementary graded readers. Currently I'm going through light novels and watching movies. For Mandarin, I'm using Assimil then will quickly go onto graded readers since I think my kanji knowledge gave me a boost with hanzi.


>Russian to the point where I can read anything and listen to anything with ease.
What's your native language? It's so hard if you're not a Slavic native speaker.


English. It is hard, yes. In some ways I would say it's harder than Japanese or Mandarin. What worked for me after the beginner/intermediate stages was speedrunning through tons of Russian media with English subs to get used to the sounds of speech then forcing myself to go through novels that I knew would have somewhat easier vocabulary like thrillers. Sitcoms, of which there are many Russian ones, without subtitles will also be crucial because they tend to talk clearer and due to the short episode length it's easier to stay engaged.


>German (maybe Japanese one day)
Good for you.


That is a good reason.


If I learnt a new language it would probably be German because I know a bit from school or Japanese because I could start absorbing little bits from anime and get some of the practice without effort.
I guess I should just pick one and stick with it but I couldn't decide which one so instead I did nothing for years.

Another option would be a mediterranean language so I could move to a beautiful place with good weather.
I should have done it when I could be neet, now I don't know if I'll get around to doing it.


The fraction of words you would pick up from anime is like a grain of sand compared to what you actually need to be functional in Japanese. You really need a solid reason to learn a language if you want to be motivated to keep at it.


>You really need a solid reason to learn a language
It's simple.


Of course I'd have to mostly do other kinds of practice but I think I'm significantly better than average at absorbing language skills like that.


I've been improving my Japanese and reading some novels now. One thing I need to start doing more is watching more Japanese films and series to get better listening skills. On another note, I took a kanji test recently. It consisted of knowing the kanji and each reading for which my results were around the 750 kanji. Those are not counting the ones I only recognized and didn't know the readings which would have put my estimated kanji level at around 900. I've still got a long way to go for the joyo.


> Unfortunately Japanese needs Kanji because of the extreme amount of homophones.

Not true at all. Korean has just as many homophones and there was no major issue with phasing out kanji. Japan could do the same if it had the will.


I am going to be taking a German class as an elective at my university. I'm very excited but also very nervous as it's been a long time since I've tried to learn a new language.


Germanfag here, would love to learn Russian.

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