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I watched Prince of Stride: Alternative, which is an otome-game adaptation by Madhouse. Here are my thoughts:
For context, this show revolves around an imaginary sport that is kind of like a relay-race version of parkour but with a leader who coordinates everyone. It is very entertaining to watch, actually.
The animation quality is good, but much more importantly the visual direction is absolutely terrific. I really like the way colour and brightness effects are used in this. It's difficult to explain but this anime was so bright during some scenes I felt like I needed to wear sunglasses just watching it. It was sort of like they played with the exposure settings on a camera or something like that. It looked great. Art style too I really liked. I liked the character designs. The visuals for this anime are a major strong point. I enjoyed them enormously. Especially for a sports anime, having awesome visuals like this really was a pleasure. Cinematography was also well done and made the sporty scenes enjoyable to watch. There are also lots of really cool sound effects that enhance the running scenes a lot. The running scenes look, feel, and sound AWESOME. Overall the production quality is excellent. The OST is good as well and enhances the mood of a variety of scenes.
In terms of characters, there is a self-inserty team-leader succubus character and there are her male team members. You might anticipate that this would result in a typical reverse-harem situation, but actually shounen-ai between male team members is the only romantic subtext, and even that is mild. Apparently in the VN there is a lot more hetero romance involving the MC. The male characters are fairly likable, and each have unique personalities which mesh together for some good chemistry within the team. Takeru was my favourite character. Beyond the characters themselves, the drama is handled fairly well, which leads me to my next point.
This anime has great direction. They had to introduce an entirely new sport and do some world building, but I never felt like I was being forcefed information. Exposition was handled well. There's also a good balance between sporty scenes and slower, more dialogue-heavy scenes. There is some comedy, but it's sprinkled lightly and not used inappropriately. The anime actually has a consistently serious tone (and feels that way to the viewer). Maybe that was an artistic risk because someone might find the sport they're doing to be absurd, and it might be easier to just load up the comedy. I'm glad they didn't take that approach. The series feels competitive, dramatic and exciting. You could really feel the emotional highs and lows. I felt excited every time I queued up an episode to watch.
If I had to identify a weak point in Prince of Stride, I would say it's the plot. Although well executed, the story at its core is kind of mediocre. Sometimes it can be kind of 'melodramatic' as well, however this is hardly surprising for an otome-game adaptation.
Overall rating: 9/10
Shockingly underrated anime. Really well directed and exceptionally entertaining. I will definitely be rewatching this.
I really hope that someone makes a high-quality Blu-ray rip of this (I couldn't find one). It seems like this franchise got disproportionately less recognition in the West relative to its popularity in Japan. There is little evidence of any kind of western fanbase. I think the combination of sports and the otome aspect is a major reason for the anime's lukewarm reception. The average person watching it for the sport appeal was likely put off by the otome elements, and conversely the otome audience often didn't enjoy the sports focus. I think that the anime as a whole appealed to very few people — most people were probably only drawn in by specific aspects of the show, not the sum of its parts. This might explain the mixed feelings that so many people seem to have. I'm probably unusual in that I found most dimensions of the anime appealing. Hopefully the rumours about a second season are true.
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Drifters, man what a blast of a show.
Firstly I will say that the artstyle is great, really great, I tend to love deeply shaded anime and this is certainly under that umbrella. There are some gross cgi scenes, limited animation EG floating kicks, and some chibi style comedy scenes to save budget - but overall I was rather impressed by the amount of animation and general quality throughout. If there is one thing to note about this show is that it has style, and it doesn't hold back ever. No surprise to see Ueda as the producer of this at all, with all the Helsing influence so clearly etched into this anime. That same Hellsing vibe throughout almost cheekily admitting its influence with the large titted succubus surrounded by evil men and devilish eye glows.
Unfortunately on the writting side of things, I was left rather dry and wishing for much more. The historical gimmick was poorly implemented, rarely using it to any noticeable effect besides in the case of gunpowder, but made for a fun adventure while giving backstories to the cast. The story is incomprehensibly stupid, the characters moronic to say the least, and as for themes or any of that - this isn't that kind of show. Style over all else, to the point where there is only style and nothing else to bother with really. The plot functions its purpose of creating battle scenes, so it's not a total incomprehensible waste, its just not worth talking about at all.
My final rank is 6/10, the story is too poor, the gimmick too underutilized, the characters too lacklustre, and an absence of any depth overall makes me unable to rate this any higher. However I still enjoyed the art and animation immensely, if someone loves the old Wicked City/Ninja Scroll/Hellsing kind of anime then this is right up their ally.
Finished Hai to Gensou no Grimgar today.
I have to say that the first episode of this almost made me drop it, the isekai opening had had me worried, then the homosexual crossdresser had me very worried, and finally the fan service started ramping up and I got ready to drop the show if it got any worse. Luckily it never did, in fact I was very surprised to see it vastly improve afterwards, even dropping the fan service entirely after the second or third episode. Its very rare to see series that start off poorly but improve afterwards, usually the exact opposite is the standard where a strong start leads to a poor finish.
Firstly lets talk about what it did well, and that is the background art. Now I am no expert of A1 studios, nor of the producer Nakamura Ryousuke; so I am unsure if the watercolor backgrounds has been used by them before, what I can say however is that I enjoyed them immensely. The closest style that I know of is Princess Kaguya from Gibli, which is also a spectacle for the eyes. If there was a single reason to watch this show it would be for the background work, honestly just great feeling from each scene. Now, not all backgrounds were given the same watercolor treatment, there is certainly a few more generic digital styling or cgi, and for some reason the studio decided to use awful photoshop after effects like sunglare on most of their watercolors. That being said it is no reason to complain about when it still looks so great.
Unfortunately the actual design of the world and characters is painfully generic overall, basically you could take any character or monster from this show and put it into any generic isekai/mmo/fantasy anime and you wouldn't be able to tell it wasn't suppose to be there, the reverse of this is also true. When you remember that this is the same studio responsible for Sword Art Online, you begin to realize that of course it would be a very safe series in general, not taking any risks in driving away customers. From weapons to armor, to towns and forests, its all your bog standard stuff here, nothing that would catch your attention even once.
The animation itself is nothing spectacular, nor was it ever painful. It did not rely on cgi much, using it sparsely and making it blend in as much as possible. For a tv series, its solid.
As for the story it is a typical MMO/Isekai kind of "cast is thrown into an unknown world, and need to loot/level up to gain powers and survive". There is not much to say in regards to that, it functions as it should and is not improperly implemented or anything. Unfortunately this 12 episode advertisement for the manga does not finish up the story entirely since the manga is still ongoing, but it does wrap up its key plot focuses revolving around the priest characters quite nicely so I can't complain. Which is also where I might dive into the characters, who are for the most part surprisingly well done. If you have ever watched "Shinsekai yori" then you might have the same feeling with this gang, with the story also making use of horrific events to show how younger age adolescence would handle it in different ways. The MC, his mentor the priest, the dark knight, and the second priest are the heavy favourites of screen time and thus the most well developed. Personally I thought the dark knight was handled somewhat poorly, the other three were handled in a fashion that most generic anime series never achieve. There is some forced melodrama, cringe dialog (see one of my pic related, they are speaking about holes in cloths and wounds, then drop the "some wounds can't be healed because they aren't physical", cringe galore), and spectacular coincidences - yet it really is rather good for the majority of the time ignoring those infrequent weak moments.
Overall my rating is 6-7/10. It is hard to say if it is a 6 or 7, due to it being simultaneously extremely generic, and yet executing itself rather well while having its own unique style of background art. It's worth a watch just for the art in my opinion.
MADOKA, yes this very well known series is something I only just today watched. Its been a long time coming honestly, and I'm glad to have it off the "to watch" list, especially when it was this good!
What is there to say about Madoka? Perhaps better to say what isn't there to say? Its fantastic in every aspect, executing itself with masterful precision in all regards, so I can only make small nitpicks on things I noticed that would detract from my own enjoyment. This is series everyone should watch unless you have no respect for great animation, art, story, or deep characters.
Now this was produced by Shaft which is a studio I am more familiar with due to watching Monogatari, so naturally I see many similar approaches to things, especially the way they utilize cgi. They do not attempt to blend in cgi, but rather just seem to accept that it will stick out and attempt to make it look good standing out. As for the actual "drawn" animation, it is pretty standard for the 12 episode series, but in the movies the animation is just fantastic. It doesn't quite match the absolute best of the best such as Steamboy, Akira, Gits, or the rest - but it is very nice.
Artsyle wise Madoka is simply amazing, coming to life in the witch labyrinth sections it absolutely blew me away in both the tv series and movies. It is odd, unique, surprising, and a host of other terms of endearment. The strange paper cutouts, the mosaic backgrounds, the colour choices, its just FANTASTIC, truly I cannot give enough praise to this. The courage it took to actually go ahead and use these methods, its astonishing that this ever came to see the light of day in a full series, when this is something you expect to see in some small 5 minute pet project lost to time. The only thing I might say is that I almost wish it wasn't limited to being "anime", the characters look too simple for the liberty given to the rest of the project, let me see another Belladonna dammit!
As for the story I have to say I got massive NGE vibes and can see why people lump the two together so much. A genre deconstruction that takes the traditionally childish tone and asks the views what would really happen if we took it serious. Add a bit of alien lore spliced with transcendental godhood figures and you have NGE, sorry, I mean Madoka! This is a bit harsh and there are certainly things Madoka does better, mainly the way it handles its plot. Madoka is far more straightforwards, even its somewhat confusing rebellion movie does not hit the same strangeness of NGE episodes 25/26. Which can certainly be a good thing, and I have to say I'm happy to not need outside information in order to understand what happened in the story, compared to NGE which has information stored away in spin offs and video games of all things. That being said, for what Madoka gains in clarity and cohesion in plot, it loses in the depth of thought that its competitors such as SEL or NGE put forth. Its not to say that Madoka lacks themes or message, it just doesn't focus on them in the same way, in other words it does not sacrifice the story for the sake of taking you down its producers own journey with depression. Its very content just being a fantastic story start to finish, and I can't fault it for that.
To nitpick a bit with an otherwise perfect story (warning mega spoilers), the first thing I can think of is that Madoka herself would have used her wish to save Mami if she was feeling that guilt and previously could not even decide on any wish at all. It is only because Madoka's character was well written that I can say that, I think it is a gaping issue ignored in favor of the story taking another direction, but still the issue exists in my eyes. Secondly and far more concerning was the way the reveal of what the soul gems were was handled. Why would their soul being placed into a gem really matter at all? It might be shocking as first, sure - but was it really enough to cause almost suicidal depression in Sakaya? Official speaking they couldn't even tell any difference until it was shown to them, would just the knowledge alone be enough to cause such general panic in the entire cast? It seemed absurd to me honestly.
The characters themselves were all great, being fleshed out and acting as they should according to the characteristic given to them. (Spoilers again )Homura perhaps being the weakest and strongest of them all, weakest due to her entire character being based on some platonic obsession with the MC, yet the strongest for playing that part to perfection and how well thought out her endless suffering really was. It was like they took Yuki from The Melancholy of Haruhi, and made her into an actual human being with a properly thought out story. She is so vital to the story that despite the name suggesting otherwise I might just give her the spot of MC, and she plays that role perfectly.
Overall my rating: 9/10. The main reason for not giving this a 10/10 is the lack of introspective themes and the few hiccups in the story, I also tend to think of 10/10 just being a subjective rating since no show is really "perfect" unless you mean to say "perfect for myself" which Madoka was just short of.
Madoka is a far better anime than NGE the only thing NGE has going for it is Asuka and Misato being hot in my opinion.
Madoka is fun and cute.
Really good review
Paranoia Agent, a rather nice thriller/psychological series with a famous producer heading this project; Satoshi Kon of Paprika/Perfect Blue/etc notability. This is my review, it's spoiler free except where I've marked.
Its hard to pick an area to talk about first, so I'll tackle the easier and less spoiler-y ones first. I suppose lets start off with the animation, there isn't that much to say really - its alright. There really was almost no moment that made me interested in the slightest, but on the flip side there wasn't any real cgi to ruin a moment or bring you out of the show with jarring awkward moments. There are better moments and worse moments, as usual its just about the budget for the scene, and I don't imagine paranoia agent had a even remotely good budget to work with.
Artstyle wise things are much better, there are a few episodes in particular near the end that were great if you enjoy watching unique artstyles like Mononoke. I've included two images from those episodes here, but don't expect that throughout the series. Its really only in the last 4 episodes where things go wild, but certainly the rest is worth a look if you like what you see rom the first image. It reminds me in a way of Texhnolyze in how dark it is, while also having that same "haze" or bloom effects showing themselves from time to time. Some of the characters such as the antagonist have a really interesting design, even the face being rather unique in the way its shown.
A quick note on sound, which I usually forget to touch on; there isn't that much to talk about. Your standard sound design for the most part, and the song tracks all play their part well enough. A special note is that the OP is done by the same artist who did "Berserk - Forces", so berserk fans may get a kick out of that.
Now to the meat and potatoes of Paranoia Agent, the story and themes. Now I said it was a thriller/psychological anime, but really it might be more accurate to say it is both a thriller and psychological anime, but not simultaneously. The reason why I say that is because for the first 9 episodes it is a pure murder mystery thriller with little "psychological" to speak of, and then flipping that around completely to turn into a psychological trip for the last 4 episodes while dropping the thriller almost entirely. There are slight moments of each genre leaking into their respective partners "section", but it is a very noticeable difference between the two.
For a thriller the story must be engaging and keeping you on "the edge" so to speak, its actually a rather hard genre to pull off since it requires you to have full attention of the audience at all times. Did paranoia agent pull it off? Uhhh, kinda, sorta, not really? I think the thriller section was actually rather boring sometimes, and almost irrelevant overall. Sometimes it doesn't even seem to take itself seriously enough, such as the interrogation of Shounen Bat where the entire episode was made to be an adventure. Don't get me wrong the adventure made sense to the story, and I didn't hate it, but I also think you lose a lot of tension for that idea, and I can't say it was entertaining enough to be a positive overall. However I might add that I absolutely did enjoy the Maria/Harumi episode. Which makes sense since that is a Satoshi Kon specialty, his abilities to create an animated showing of split personalities and mental illness is fantastic.
For the psychological or as others say "2deep" section, does it stand up to the heavy hitters of anime history? I… wouldn't say so really. I found the ideas and themes to be very obvious since even the beginning of the series, which might be either good or bad writing to you depending on how much you enjoy "digging" into a series or having to think deeply. Now it could be that for you, you might have a harder time knowing, but for myself I can't say this was any sort of Serial Experiment Lain equivalent. The main issue for me is the lack of something to chew on, something to really think "deeply" about and harvest ideas from over time. Satoshi Kon in general is not a very obscure writer in my opinion, but I do think he leaves more for the imagination and mind in his other series. That being said I did actively enjoy the last 4 episodes far more than the other 9 thrillers. this is Kon's strength and home, so naturally he doesn't flounder to pseudo-intellectualism, boring monologues, or information dumps. The writing is clear cut and assuming you have but a bit of intellect, you should understand what he is trying to say through the series, and especially during the end.
It might sound as if I am railing into this anime, but its only because of both Satoshi Kon's name and the genres it uses. For genres like shounen battle, SOL, or isekai garbage headed by some unknown producers - I don't expect anything at all, so I might even sound very pleased with a slightly above mediocre series. Anyways, back to Paranoia Agent, is it a great anime in terms of psychological's best and in comparison to Satoshi Kon's monstrous movie library? Not really. Is this a good anime compared to the usual low effort and generic series put on by the anime industry? Yea I'd say so, its certainly worth a watch.
Final rating 7/10
>>36254>A genre deconstruction that takes the traditionally childish tone and asks the views what would really happen if we took it serious>traditionally childish tone
Every single time I see this sort of sentence in reference to Madoka, I instantly know the user is not actually familiar with Mahou Shoujo at all. Overall Madoka is pretty OK so I'm glad you enjoy it, and I like reading your thoughts as formulating impressions into long posts is something I'm absolutely terrible at, but as a fan of the genre it just infuriates me when someone says this sort of thing. Madoka is certainly clever in how it establishes and executes its deconstruction and twist, but the endless jerking off of it for its own sake, as if it were some miraculous never before seen serious take that instantly validates the genre for mature audiences, is just display of blatant ignorance of the genres incredibly long history. Not to read too much into your statement in particular, but at best the vast majority of fans conflate this simple dynamic as sole measuring stick of overall objective quality for the show, and at worst for the entire genre itself. It really, categorically, emphatically, is not, especially for the latter.
Mahou Shoujo has always and will always tackle serious topics and issues with appropriate tone and respect, and thus will have lasting and direct appeal to all audiences, mature included, and doesn't deserve peoples unwitting branding as mindless 'kids stuff.' It's good. More people should watch it.
Every single time I see this sort of sentence in reference to NGE, I instantly know the user is not actually familiar with Shounen Mecha at all. Overall NGE is pretty OK so I'm glad you enjoy it, and I like reading your thoughts as formulating impressions into long posts is something I'm absolutely terrible at, but as a fan of the genre it just infuriates me when someone says this sort of thing. NGE is certainly clever in how it establishes and executes its deconstruction and twist, but the endless jerking off of it for its own sake, as if it were some miraculous never before seen serious take that instantly validates the genre for mature audiences, is just display of blatant ignorance of the genres incredibly long history. Not to read too much into your statement in particular, but at best the vast majority of fans conflate this simple dynamic as sole measuring stick of overall objective quality for the show, and at worst for the entire genre itself. It really, categorically, emphatically, is not, especially for the latter.
Shounen Mecha has always and will always tackle serious topics and issues with appropriate tone and respect, and thus will have lasting and direct appeal to all audiences, mature included, and doesn't deserve peoples unwitting branding as mindless 'kids stuff.' It's good. More people should watch it.
It actually works perfect as a 1 to 1 comparison, the point being was to show how ridiculous it sounded. Anyways, if you want a more honest answer to your post, then I'll give it here.
Firstly it seems to me like you have emotionally attached yourself to the Magic succubus genre, this might seem an inflammatory remark and maybe it is, but I also think I am correct in this thought regardless of that. One should not defend a genre, but individual series, to defend a genre shows only blind admiration towards that collective. Now, a genre is a group of semi-related story ideas used for organizational purposes, within this group of ideas lie outliers, unique combinations, and borderline cases. Yet also very obviously, there are a great deal of generic copycats within the genre that collectively create what the genre is suppose to be in its purest and most basic form, otherwise there would be no genre to speak of. What do I mean by this? I mean to say that yes - there are good shows within the genre, there are also non childish shows in the genre, but does that make Magical succubi as a collective some sort of mature intellectual grouping of ideas? Exceptions to rules, do not except the rule.
I will be blunt, the genre of "Mahou Shoujo" is at its heart a body of shows targeting towards young children, specifically young succubus children. Which means that yes - what I said was true, Madoka IS a "genre deconstruction that takes the traditionally childish tone and asks the views what would really happen if we took it serious". This is not something to be offended by unless you think your personality is linked to the media you consume, in which case I would suggest letting go of such ideas. There are a lot of exceptions to genres, for instance shows like Mushishi really push the boundary of what could be called a "slice of life" - does that make the slice of life genre as a whole a mature genre for more intellectually minded people? Absolutely not, obviously.
There are so many of these problems I've noticed, that being the problems of categorization. My only suggestion is to remove your personal feelings from the equation. What is the Magical succubus genre? A collection of shows about magical succubi fighting bad guys and spreading love/kindness around the world, to which the target audience is most likely to be aimed at little succubi. Just the same as Shounen Mecha shows are a collection of prepubescent male children fighting bad guys in a robot, proving they are the number one pilot of all, and most likely to be aimed at little boys.
Can you please suggest a Magical succubus show that is not episodic? maybe something mature as well
No, it's not at all a direct comparison. Shounen Mecha (or more loosely, mecha in general) as you well know, is also similarly demographically targeted to children, with the exception that perceptions of the genre, at least in the west, has somehow missed this. Or to be more specific, they never realized it in the first place as a result of specific gatekeeping. Nobody jizzes their pants about the Gundam, Gaogaigar, or Gurren Lagann involving mature topics and themes and uses that as sole arbiter for their thoughts and impressions of the show. Madoka, and by extension the entire Magical succubus genre, do not share in this, despite similarly having always had these elements in them as well.
>yes - what I said was true, Madoka IS a "genre deconstruction that takes the traditionally childish tone and asks the views what would really happen if we took it serious". This is not something to be offended by
I'm not offended, nor am I doing that. It's much more simple. I just think your basic assumptions of the genre are entirely wrong, and said so. Mature topics and theme are inherently baked into the genre, and they are always taken seriously. That is where the source of contention lies, and misunderstanding this is exactly how the attitude that Madoka is some groundbreaking revolutionary genius show arises from. It's indication of poor understanding of MS convention, and nothing more.
No, because I almost entirely sure I know who you are in particularand I have no interest in having any conversation with you or doing anything that might help you in any fashion what so ever tranny.
No need to be a cunt, cuckime pro.
They're all pretty episodic. That's one of their things, so I'm not sure what you're expecting there.
>mature as well
Nevermind that that's all of them, but Full Moon wo Sagashite sounds like what you're expecting.
A little succubus dying of throat cancer wants to be a popular singer to find her beloved onii-chan figure, and uses shinigami magic to transform into her older, uncancered self to enter the industry and do so. It's pretty good despite being pre 2004 anime. Obviously it's episodic though so take it or leave it.
The guy you're responding to is just a shitchan tourist who strolled in here a couple weeks ago and is now shitting up every thread he touches. He seems fairly young and tends to project his own intense insecurities onto other people.
I'm fairly convinced I know exactly who it is, and I really don't care. As long as he knows his shit about anime and is willing to discuss it, that's all I need. Making a big deal about so-and-so and such-and-such that they did is for absolute nerds.
>>36318>as sole arbiter for their thoughts and impressions of the show. Madoka>groundbreaking revolutionary genius
Is this the people to whom you argue with? I only ask because in my own review I myself noticed and spoke at how Madoka is extremely similar to NGE, its obviously not groundbreaking if there is something in the exact same vein. Again, I can't help but notice that you seem to harbour some emotional ties to this genre, and in particular to Madoka; of which don't seem to be related with what I spoke about personally. In fact I even said "That being said, for what Madoka gains in clarity and cohesion in plot, it loses in the depth of thought that its competitors such as SEL or NGE put forth". Personally I don't actually think the deconstruction aspect or the themes were the shining star of the show, if you notice I instead lathered on praise to its experimental art direction and story for being so well written.
I was going to write more but honestly, it seem like you cannot get over the fact that a genre based around little magical succubi is in fact aimed at little succubi for the [b]majority[b/] of the time. This conversation reminds of dealing with SOL, Shounen, Action, etc fans that claim how truly wonderful their genre of choice is. Why you people attach yourself to a genre is beyond me. Truly I see no difference in this conversation as I do with arguing to a Hunter x Hunter fan about NGE, it's really almost identical. The hardest part of biases, is just how hard they can be to notice if you don't think you have any. >>36322>couple weeks
Is that why I have posts from months ago still here? You are a delusional tranny orbiter, or more likely you are moddess here to defend your pet tranny while it screeches about wanting to be a succubus.
omg thanks I know i read a manga that was pretty much this but never finished it! thank you anime poster hope to see you share more insights around here about anime. Cute gif
>>36324>Is that why I have posts from months ago still here?
Please point to any posts you made in the previous review thread.
both of these:>>35188>>35258
Although reviews are a rather newish thing for me, only because I kept seeing the other review guy post his on /b/ so I got interested.
>>36324>Is this the people to whom you argue with? I only ask because in my own review
Don't be a disingenuous faggot. You know damn well that 99% of all (at the least, western) fans of the show will express that exact sentiment, and it inundated the entire anime-sphere for years after the show was released, and still does with that Wonder Egg bullshit. The rest of your post isn't worthy of rebuttal. As you'll note, I wasn't conflating that criticism with the rest of your particular post, but only that specific line and extrapolating it to perceived perspective on the genre. Nothing more or less.
>for the [b]majority[b/] of the time
Though you may have hedged your bets with this admission, I am glad you recognize I am correct. Mature topics, themes, and situations are inherently baked into the MS genre. This is fact. I know it. You know it. God knows it.>I instead lathered on praise to its experimental art direction
As opposed to Tatami Galaxy, that did much the same, better, and a full year before Madoka? To be fair though, it is quite rare and novel.
Calm yourself, hapa schizo. I disagreed with a single line of your entire review and you're sperging out acting like I will kill anyone who speaks ill of MS
How am I being disingenuous? You just said it has nothing to do with me - and everything to do with other people that you read or argue with. EG the "99%".
>hedged your bets with this admission,
…I literally said the same thing in my other post multiple times, in fact it was my very core point to begin with. I'll just list them out:
1) "Now, a genre is a group of semi-related story ideas used for organizational purposes, within this group of ideas lie outliers, unique combinations, and borderline cases."
2) "Yet also very obviously, there are a great deal of generic copycats within the genre that collectively create what the genre is suppose to be in its purest and most basic form,"
3) "I mean to say that yes - there are good shows within the genre, there are also non childish shows in the genre, "
4) "There are a lot of exceptions to genres, for instance shows like Mushishi really push the boundary of what could be called a "slice of life" - does that make the slice of life genre as a whole a mature genre for more intellectually minded people? Absolutely not, obviously."
Did you read nothing of my previous posts?
>As opposed to Tatami Galaxy,
Personally I felt that the artstyles for the two were rather starkly different, nor did they tackle the same themes, or even have the same tone. Don't get me wrong I loved tatami galaxy and basically everything Yuasa has touched, but I don't hate Madoka just because another great experimental show exists. Or shall I dismiss all experimental movies that came after Angel's Eggs? You are getting rather absurd I think,.
>hapa schizo>spergin out >acting like I will kill anyone who speaks ill of MS
Uh, if you say so man. Hopefully the irony is not lost by anyone else here.
>>36329>How am I being disingenuous?
Perhaps by pointing to a single phrase, used for exaggeration affect, to obfuscate your position when you know full well it accurately defines your argument. Perhaps not in full, as I readily admit, but at least in part. Considering the story, of which deconstruction plays a predominant part both in the show and in your review (a full paragraph), you're obviously being disingenuous when you disavow any and all such notions. Just because you're expressing this via comparing the deconstruction to another deconstruction doesn't mean you're still not placing overdue importance on it in your review for reasons already stated.
>…I literally said the same thing in my other post multiple times
Then why bother disagreeing about my initial post if you so easily agree with the message?>there are non childish shows in the genre
and you've revealed yourself. You clearly didn't say the same thing, as thus this sentence is nonsensical. All of them include mature topics and themes. How can you meaningfully distinguish between MS shows that 'are childish' because they do not include these categories, as opposed to those that do, when they ALL include them? You can't, because they are inherently not childish, and if you truly agreed we would not be having this conversation in the first place. Do keep in mind that Precure, the quintessential MS show of the era, is marketed to pic related. If the prototypical new-age example of the show, roughly 35 years after its inception, is still including those exact elements that would appeal to old men, then it's patently ignorant to insist that their inclusion is the outlier, and not the genre norm.
You can repeat yourself and say I'm being being a biased fan or whatever of the genre, but the truth remains your impressions of it are simply objectively incorrect.
>re; Tatami Galaxy
I attribute that mostly to direction and creativity. The artstyle elements themselves are the same, roughly speaking.
I'm not even remotely implying you must hate Madoka because Tatami existed first, but placing undue importance on Madoka's inclusion of them for their "experimental" nature is ridiculous when something has already come along first and tested and proven it. Just seemed silly to me.
>Hopefully the irony is not lost by anyone else here.
Would it help if I used your preferred style of screeching and repeatedly call you a tranny?
>>36330>All of them include mature topics and themes.
Ok, so I must be getting trolled, or you are just too far gone to even pretend to have an adult conversation with me. Overall your black and white, 0 nuance, 0 thought, hot takes are just a bit too much for me to bother giving any more attention to. Think what you will, judging by your posts you are looking for the epic internet win, so uh… congratulations for your epic win? The rest of this post I had already written out so I'll post it anyways.
>Perhaps by pointing to a single phrase, used for exaggeration affect, to obfuscate your position when you know full well it accurately defines your argument.
I must be pretty smart to have thought all of that.
>Then why bother disagreeing about my initial post if you so easily agree with the message?
…Because I don't agree? The genre when taken as a whole is made for younger children, just like mecha is made for younger children. As I said though, exceptions to the rule exist, but they do not except the rules.
You uh… caught me? Maybe a few posts later after I had to copy paste it again, but you got me… I guess.
>The artstyle elements themselves are the same, roughly speaking.
I don't see how Madoka's labyrinth scenes or transformation scenes are even similar to Tatami galaxy, but maybe you see something I can't. Normally I wouldn't mind discussing this, you've put a sour taste in my mouth from how childish your last two posts have been, so this is my last reply.
>Would it help if I used your preferred style of screeching and repeatedly call you a tranny?
Like I do in this thread, and the ones you don't know I post in? You can attack my character, but at the end of the day I only treat one poster in such a way, and really you are just looking for any excuse you can to gain an upper hand in this conversation. Anyways, as I said before, your inability to speak or accept nuance and only thinking in black/white ways is not very entertaining for myself.
I am starting to see that this >>36322
guy was likely correct. This guy is the king of projection and I appear to have mistaken him for someone else. Someone vastly more intelligent.>>36331>Ok, so I must be getting trolled
I am the only one who has posited any actual real world examples that collaborate my point. Or do you mean to tell me that this entirely accurate description of a fairly normal MS show here >>36321
is "childish" either in topic or tone? If you need be, I can post specific examples of the show to demonstrate exactly how "childish" it is. Protip: it's not fucking childish.
Similarly, Precure, as shown in official marketing, is also similarly not childish. No company in their right mind would try to proclaim Barney, for example, was intended for 35 year old men were there not serious and mature elements that appeal to that age group in it. How many more shows do I need to bring up before you recognize this? Doremi and its episodes on abortion?
The truth, as I have stated ad nauseam by now, is that these shows are inherently not childish. They're obviously clearly and demonstrably 'made for younger children' but your ignorant preconceptions are hindering you from realizing that that does not mean they are, themselves, childish. Not in tone, and not in subject matter. That's just how Mahou Shoujo does.
>durr it's a fight and you just want to win
No, you retard. I just wanted to criticize a single fucking line and clarify that you're undeservedly giving an entire genre a bad rep before you started sperging out. Reply or not, I don't give a shit. You're an idiot.
Please stop fighting please I enjoy reading what each of your thoughts are and I am sure others do as well we do not need to fight at all.
Short review of the "Blame!" prologue and ONA production. This will be quick due to their length (less than an hour for both). Mostly the focus shall be sound design, due to the extremely obvious shoe string budget these have and how little animation or story there is to speak of. TLDR: If you know what these are, you will have watched them, if you don't then probably best to keep it that way unless you really enjoy sound design or like semi-artsy experimental project
Extremely short, running in at 6 minutes for both "episodes", if you can call them that. There is zero dialogue, which has to be the most Blame thing possible. The cgi is very basic and will seem old/stiff compared to newer methods.You will see two short actions scenes, that's it. The sounds of the weapons is awful, but the wind and music gave some atmosphere befitting of the dark and lonely blame universe.
The backgrounds are in typical blame fashion, simply amazing. Which is the only reason you should watch this for, not that you should do that.
If you are a blame cultist, then watch it (you probably already have), if not then don't bother.
Basically just pages/scenes ripped from the manga and given voice acting and made to "move" by scrolling or extremely poor animation. There is no real story, you are expected to know what is going on due to reading the manga. One note that I will have is that if you love the sound design from shows like Lain, Angels Egg, or Boogiepop Phantom, then you might actually enjoy the first ONA episode in particular.
First ONA is an entirely atmospheric 6 minutes of nothing except sound design and backgrounds, thats it! Man does it kick ass though, the eerie air instrument (trumpet?) plays while strange organic noises gurgle. The buzzing hums and drone murmurings like a crowd of the undead. The sounds of something being dropped thousands of feet down, tv static rippling. Great work overall for the sound, I've included a small sample of the audio for anyone interested.
Second ONA has a very cool red shading pattern that any fan of Blame should know about, I'm glad to see it here.
Third, Fourth and Fifth we see are very plain, just scenes from the manga with scrolling pages and voiced lines. Nothing too special although the fifth has another great section of sounds, the distorted sea waves crashing down with screeching metal in the background was great.
The Extra has another set of fantastic humming and if you know the sounds of Serial Experiment Lain''s power line sounds, then this sound should feel nostalgic.
Not even Blame cultists should watch this ONA, honestly no one should.
No one will ever bother to watch these, but if you ever do, you now have a review to look at lol.
I watched Sakura Quest. Here are my thoughts:
Sakura Quest is a 25-episode show that is mainly focused on the efforts of various civic employees working to promote commerce in a small rural-Japan town and restore its tourism industry. The show is fairly self-aware and is clearly meant to be a social commentary in some ways. Although it is genre tagged as a slice of life, it usually felt more like a drama to me, albeit a slow-paced and not overly emotional one.
I liked the main female characters in this. They were all relatable in various ways and felt like real human beings. Much of my enjoyment of this anime was derived from my appreciation of the characters. I empathized with multiple characters in various ways. The young-adult career search is a frequent theme in the show, which I'm sure many people will find relatable. This anime does a good job of depicting authentic female friendship, carefully built up through personal connections, instead of just superficial character interaction. If you're looking for an anime with female characters that feel like real human beings instead of tropey moeblobs, then Sakura Quest might be worth a try.
I have mixed feelings about the writing; although sometimes crude, in some ways it was one of the things I enjoyed most about this anime. There were aspects that I liked and disliked about the writing. Sometimes there are 'coincidences' in the story that are a little too convenient. These sorts of 'plot conveniences' are a symptom of lazy and poorly planned writing, in my opinion. The story demands a fair bit of suspension of disbelief. At times it felt like the plot was a little bit 'forced' and unnatural. These are subtle criticisms, the importance of which will likely vary significantly among different viewers.
I really liked the overall themes that were used in the writing, but the plot mechanics through which they were implemented were often very crude. In other words, from a very broad perspective I liked the writing, but the detailed specifics often seemed amateurish and careless. The author had good broad-view ideas, but they were poorly executed. I'm still able to appreciate the writing in some ways, but that requires that I look past the crude details. Providing examples would require spoilers, but I think someone watching the anime will understand my point here. The social and economic issues of rural Japan, and the ways those issues affect individual characters, are core themes in the writing.
I liked the writing themes, I liked the individual characters and their respective arcs, but the actual episode-by-episode plot was often boring and almost always crudely executed. Keep in mind that this is a 25-episode anime with minimal 'filler' content. Meaning, no fight scenes, singing scenes, slice-of-life silliness or unrelated comedy skits; the show is nearly always advancing some kind of plot (albeit, a usually mundane one). As a result, when the plot starts to drag it really craters the entire show. I wish that this anime focused more on the character arcs of the cast instead of the seemingly neverending sequence of mundane inconsequential events that took up most of the screentime.
In terms of direction, the show has an amateurish feel in this regard as well. Speaking as a very patient viewer, even for me the pacing was slow at times. As I've said in the past, I'm fine with slow pacing as long as screentime is being used effectively. The problem with Sakura Quest is that there is not much else of entertainment value. The viewer is forced to sit through the slow march of the mediocre plot without any other noteworthy potential sources of enjoyment.
There are some funny moments. At times, the humour is fairly intelligent as well. It got some chuckles out of me, but it's usually not really a laugh-out-loud kind of humour. Much of the humour is derived from the social commentary aspects of the show, so from a comedic perspective it feels more like watching an amusing parody.
Visually, this show is not particularly well animated, but a lot of attention and care is paid to body language and facial expressions. I appreciated this a lot. To me, this is far more important than highly fluid animation. However, unfortunately the art style is quite bland. The character designs are also fairly simplistic.
The voice acting is average overall. However, I liked the voice acting for the MC (Koharu); the VA fit her role well and was unique in subtle ways. The OST is unremarkable, although I liked the first ED song.
Overall rating: 6/10
This anime is amateurish but also charming in some ways. There are some good characters. The writing exhibits many good ideas, but they are poorly executed.
Ririko is literally me.>>36240>>36243>>36254>>36310>>36407
We've already talked to each other on /b/, but thanks again for your contributions.>>36311
I agree with much of what you've said. Some of the oldest anime fans I've ever met have been deep into the mahou shoujo genre. >>36319
Please keep your insufferable spam off the listed boards.
Blame!: The Movie. This is a CGI anime inspired by the manga" Blame!" as the name suggest. The original manga is a fantastic atmospheric journey with pure action and a raw gritty tone throughout. If you haven't read it, imagine Texhnolyze's world, penchant for violence, and gritty nature crossed with the plot, atmosphere, and dialogue (lol) of angels egg - sort of. Now as a fan of the manga, there is only one way to describe this movie: This isn't Blame, its a 4kids-tier rape of Blame. I will be writing from that perceptive (a fan with previous knowledge), however I will try to keep in mind what it might be like for others.
Firstly I would like to rant as a Blame fan.
Within the first 5 minutes I was already frankly disgusted with what I saw, which never got any better or changed throughout. There is no dread, no harsh isolation, no desolate feelings of being in a lost cyberpunk world. Instead we are introduced to what appears to be 4 children running about in Blame's setting while typical hollywood music is played. There is too much chatter, too much talking, this is suppose to be fucking Blame! Everything feels wrong, from the music, the lighting, to the sounds, to the generic moeblob faces, ITS NOT FUCKING BLAME! WHERE IS MY BLAME ADAPTATION?
Anyways… back to the review, lets talk animation or rather cgi,
When I first heard it was CGI I was rather interesting since I knew Blame as a series would never get a high budget, but with CGI it could have a level of quality for it's fights. Pure cgi movies are not something I am particularly familiar with besides the berserk movies and a few others, I've noticed this movie seems to really wish to copy the animation techniques of anime, for example using as little frames of animation as possible to keep the "anime" look. Frankly I think if you are doing a full cgi anime, then let it be cgi instead of cgi with anime techniques.
The artstyle itself is rather ridiculous what with the characters being so well lit up it looks like they are all a photo shoot, I guess in Blame: netflix edition every scene must be a runway. Every background scene also tends to have some blindingly obnoxious light source with the bloom slider maxed out as well, if it's not that then you have computer fx glows slapped on to inanimate objects. Certainly this is nothing like what I had in mind while looking at the original Blame artstyle. Which is the only saving grace here, the backgrounds still contain hints of the maze-like corridors that stretch of for eternity.
I can't say I enjoyed this animation or style, and the fight scenes were simply too awful to justify using this method. There is exactly one (1) decent fight that lasts 1-2 minutes in a 90+ minute film. Perhaps all the budget went towards animating fancy computer effects of 1st person pov's - slapped together with Dragonball Z power level scouters, or maybe it went towards all the anime waifu faces, who knows. The world as a whole is absurdly bright at all times, where is the dark and decrepit fallen cyberpunk world and why are these dumb anime moeblogs seemingly lit up with the power of a thousand suns? Also where are my fucking Blame fight scenes?
Speaking of disappoint, there is the music and sound design.
This is where Blame falls to pieces in my opinion, its just inexcusably bad. What I was expecting music wise, was no music at all unless a fight started, which is what it did mostly. Unfortutantly what should have been was not simply just "no music" but strange and eerie ambient sounds giving dread and feelings of being lost in a place with no end. This would allow watchers to soak in Blame's original desolate/lonely feelings of being trapped in a never ending labyrinth of manic and futuristic cyberpunk horror. Ambient sounds should have been the majority of this movie, instead of the pure silence or hollywood tunes that was used during scenes without action or thrill. Since we are talking about that, what the fight music which should have be composed of is pounding electronic or industrial metal, maybe even a bit of Doom 2016 influence, which would have been a wake up from the lull of the lonely journey that Killy is suppose to travel through. Netflix however decided to do the opposite and make it as hopelessly wrong as possible. Acoustic guitars and grand pianos in my dystopian cyberpunk nightmare setting - make it stop already. Things I also want stopped are the hollywood-styled orchestra thriller tracks you would hear at the movie theatres, complete with Inception trumpets for good measure. Don't forget the eastern mystical fantasy tracks that are just so not-Blame or even futuristic at all, that it honestly hurt to hear it being played. In fact if I had some advice to the producers, it would be to just stop playing music at all and let the film speak for itself if you can only manage to make it worse.
As for the ambient sounds, its just pitiful, I don't even have much to speak about since it was so lacklustre that I barely even noticed any. The only times they tried to give any atmosphere at all, they didn't even bother turning the volume up enough to hear it properly, deciding to leave it in the background as much as possible - least you remember that this is suppose to be a horrific dystopia instead of a cgi waifu simulator. The 0 budget pet product Blame ONA and Prologue absolutely blew this movie out of the water (listen to the audio track I posted there). The only thing I might say is that the gun sounds were alright, but I wouldn't even say they were anything special or worth noting really.
As for plot or characters, I can only describe it as generic at best, and possibility funny at its worst.
This is an area that Blame fans won't care about since that was never really a Blame kind of thing to care about. If you haven't read Blame I imagine somethings will just seem strange since terms are mentioned as if you already know what they are, such as "builders". That being said, nothing that actually matters to this story is left completely unexplained. For the story in the manga you are left to guess and figure things out yourself a lot of the time since their is very little exposition, Normally you would do this while soaking in the setting and atmosphere. However in Blame: netflix edition, we are given a basically fully explained story with many characters that are forgettable even down to what their names were. What I cannot believe is just how much dialogue there is in this movie, I can't say it enough - this is not Blame, this is netflix Blame, it a 4kids rape tier adaption. As for the dialogue itself, mostly it is absurd comedy in general. My favourite was listening to cibo opening up to killy mere days ( or hours) of meeting him while he remains the mute MC as if he is from a final fantasy game. Even for Blame's orginal standards the plot and character interactions here are rather terrible in comparison. Here is an example, we have the electro fishers who have not seen an outsider or traveler even once in their lifetimes. Killy who is unknown to the extremely wary elctro fishers, (so wary they shot at him despite being him standing inches from their children) is suddenly let into the city before all the citizens simply because he is not a safeguard, and then he grows some food for them, which they start digging into before even asking him what it is at all, and then allowing him to freely move about as if he is an electro fisher himself. Its ridiculous and laughable.
Luckily Netflix did one single thing right. In the last quarter of Blame: 4kids edition we have Killy fighting a real enemy with real suspense, its the pure action of Nihei come to fruition with the ease of cgi animation to allow the fights to breath freely and smoothly. Even the music starts to become what it should be, an industrial-ish metal track starts ripping through the speakers to increase the thrill of the fight, you forget how awful the last 60+ minutes had been, and… it lasted about a whole 1 minute. Pack it up folks, see you again next blame adaptation! You should be happy you got a single minute of enjoyment!
My rating, for blame fans its below 0/10, if I pretend its another series or spin off, maybe a 4/10.
Finally got around to finishing 11eyes
It isn't very good, mainly because it tries to adapt ~50-70 hours of material into a 12 ep show and does a poor job of it. So plot threads are left all over the place most things don't make sense a lot of the time, and new things with just be introduced out of nowhere and you just sort of have to except the hand-wave since they don't have to time to properly set most things up, especially as they get closer to the end.
Also the absurd number of asspulls is obnoxious.
Bonus ep was dumb but somewhat more amusing then the show it's self.
All three were fantastic animation wise, I know Magnetic rose is beloved by personally I will always remember Cannon Fodder for the rest of my life. Really fucking cool artstyle.
>>36624>Magnetic rose is beloved by personally
Should be "beloved, but personally"
Stinkbomb was my favorite
Really? I actually thought it was the worst of the three, which isn't a bad thing since they are all great in my opinion. Stink Bomb does have very nice animation - same as the others, but there wasn't that much about it that sticks in the mind the way the characters/plot in Magnetic Rose do, or the unique artstyle and narrative of Cannon Fodder. That being said, I do remember enjoying it very much, and the story was genuinely fun to watch. Ridiculous and kind of silly, but still immense fun to just sit back and watch unfold. I guess there really is an argument for either three being the best, and certainly all three are just gorgeous to watch.
Just a quick question since I do no often get to meet anyone who liked anything other than Magnetic Rose, what are your preferred genres?
I mostly watch shounen, but I don't watch much anime now. I don't think it was the best one, just my favorite. It's just a perfect little capsule of what I feel animation should be.
I see, you mostly sticking to manga now or have you moved on to books? I think after I finish my next anime series I might swap to manga for a good bit.
I stick to video games and music mostly. I don’t have the patience for the update schedules of most manga, and I don’t have a lot of books I want to read. Manga is definitely the best way to enjoy most series though.
What most anime bring in sound design they tend to lose in other aspects, just as a matter of production. I'm not saying anime is worthless, it's just better to read the manga first. Anime is best for indulging in those chapters where movement and sound is best, after you've seen the artwork and absorbed the story through the manga.
webm related was only 3 panels in the manga, and because it was a popular gag they were able to make it truly shine in the anime.
>>36644>What most anime bring in sound design they tend to lose in other aspects
Mostly plot and character development imo. It seems like it's not very clear to most people out there, but most anime is a beautiful, quick tour to an usually much longer, deeper story and characters. By deeper I don't mean more complex, I mean a lot more stuff happened that the anime simply cannot cover.
Most anime is like an invitation for you to check out the full story but for some reason that seems not clear for most people? I might be mistaken, just my impression. 99% of the time I see someone complaining about plot or character in an anime, the reason behind the complaint is that the person doesn't understand the anime is like a tour de force in bullet points for a much longer work.
Oh ya I do agree for story and such anime can usually only make things worse, just the same as manga as compared to books, although I will say that anime can sometimes create something better than the original by chopping away at unneeded or worthless arcs/characters. A great example of that is Kino no Tabi (2003), I found the anime (despite its low budget) to be a fantastic story, while the LN and Manga to be nearly unreadable garbage due to all the awful arcs and characters the anime cut out.
Don't forget about all the anime originals though, everything from Serial Experiments Lain (Masterclass of sound design imo) to NGE. No manga or book to compare to there.
One thing I will say though, is the movies are where anime shines the brightest. Just the higher budget per minute value and the extra effort put into every scene really brings animation into being its own thing instead of a cheap knock off. Memories being just one example of that.>>36645
Just because anime does not have the upper limits of story that manga or books do, does not mean the story should be disregarded entirely. That's just being ridiculous and how people excuse low effort shows. Otherwise you would just go and watch trippery imagery and sounds for hours at a time instead. Frankly I'm tired of seeing garbage comments like these, usually coming from SOL CGDCT fans who don't even respect quality animation or sound design like they pretend to do in order to justify their moronic ugu kawaii kun series. This is without mentioning that a great story in an anime still wipes the floor with a subpar one from a manga or book, we are speaking about upper limits and ceilings of greatness, not as an entirety including the floor or middle space.
Also stop watching seasonal trash made as overglorified manga advertisements and what you are describing becomes less of a problem.
hm, what an odd post. This guy just went on a complete rant arguing against stuff said by no one itt. I was going to point all the stuff that nobody said that he's arguing against but then again if he didn't properly read the posts he quoted the first time, there's no point going for seconds. oh well
He’s just saying his opinion. I don’t think he’s arguing or anything.
>>36649>This guy just went on a complete rant arguing against stuff said by no one itt.
Like a very young child just realizing what his peepee is for, he is compelled to touch on these "issues" that only exist in his mind but have nevertheless been ruining the entire animation medium itself for years and years.
hm, what an odd post. This guy just said he was going to do a bunch of stuff but then decided not to, and instead just posted about not doing stuff. Oh well
Honestly though the first person who replied to you said is right, I'm just stating my thoughts on people who dismiss stories in anime as a whole, which happens far more often than what people like >>36651
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I watched High School Fleet, also known as Haifuri. I watched the TV anime, OVAs, and the movie. Here are my thoughts:
This is basically the maritime clone of succubi und Panzer, which I didn't enjoy enough to watch more than the first season of. It's been years since then, but I think one of the main reasons I dropped GuP was because of the crappy characters. I remember also thinking that the battles were very drawn-out and often boring. Anyway, enough about GuP — I only bring it up because the comparison is so common.
High School Fleet involves battleships which are operated by crews of cute succubi. This is a winning combination, in my view. Watching the succubi working together in their various naval roles is entertaining. The succubi are enrolled in a naval academy for training to join a military organization called the Blue Mermaids (Blue-Mers LOL). It's unreasonable of me to expect this, but it would have been nice if a bit more attention was given to the technical aspects of the battleships. Although, anime is probably the wrong medium for that. Regardless, if you like military stuff then there's an okay amount of that here. Admittedly, I'm kind of a military dork so I'm probably a little biased in this regard. The ships featured in the anime resemble WW2-era battleships.
In terms of animation, CGI is frequently used to animate the battleships. The CGI can sometimes appear crude, even by anime CGI standards. However, the character animation is often surprisingly good (although inconsistent). I'm fine with this resource allocation as the high-quality character animation does enhance the cuteness appeal of the show. Both the art style and character designs are fairly generic. Although I will say that a disproportionate degree of attention is paid to the characters' hair, both in terms of design and animation. I enjoyed this subtle aspect of the show since I just really like hair (OMG I'm such a weirdo) and think it's an important feature. There are lots of cute hairstyles among the cast! Anyway, it's not really the character designs themselves that evoke the feeling of moe within me, it's the 'gap moe' of the succubi operating warships that really amplifies the cuteness.
The cast is very tropey, unsurprisingly. Some of the characters are pretty funny though. I don't have any significant complaints about the cast; this isn't the kind of show that requires character development. The cast is enormous, making it difficult to implement individual character arcs anyway. None of the characters are annoying, thankfully.
In terms of voice acting, there's a fair bit of variety. Some of the VAs do an exceptional job (ex. Rin), although they are diluted by the enormous size of the cast. As for music, I liked the OP song (the vocals are pretty good). The OST was nothing special. I would have liked to have seen a more military-like soundtrack for this. Could you imagine a well-produced military-inspired OST with lots of brass instruments used in a show like this? That would be awesome. There was a mild military theme to the music, but I would have preferred it be stronger (I realize this is kind of a silly complaint). Regardless, a more creative and talented OST composer could benefit this anime a lot, especially considering that there are plenty of moments without any dialogue. However, I will say that the sound effects during battle scenes were pretty nice.
There was a healthy mix of plot and lighthearted silly scenes. It was sometimes a fun show to watch. However, one of my biggest issues with this anime was the plot itself. The battle scenes were usually fun and entertaining, but many other plot-related scenes were tiresome. Without giving too much away, the story involves a dumb mystery. A lot of screentime gets wasted on eyeroll-inducing scenes related to this mystery phenomenon. Just know that it was really dumb, and not in an enjoyable way — I sometimes felt like I was watching a one-star horror movie. Even beyond the mystery, the writing in general is just poor. The plot doesn't completely dominate the show, so I don't want to overstate its impact on my viewing experience. Still, it was pretty bad and I would have preferred a completely different story or, better yet, no plot at all. Seriously, I even would have preferred that everyone just sat around painting their nails and drinking milkshakes, while occasionally firing some torpedoes and 400mm cannons. In any case, for maximum enjoyment of this anime, I think the best thing to do is shut your brain off.
Overall rating for the TV anime: 6/10
I pretty much got what I expected. It was fun and cute, but there was room for improvement. It felt like this anime 'played it safe' in a lot of respects. Aside from the naval setting and the sometimes-strange plot, it was a fairly stereotypical moe show. I actually would have liked to have seen the maritime theme embraced more than it was. Meaning, a greater emphasis on naval operations, naval warfare, and general seamanship (I realize this is an unrealistic expectation for anime). As opposed to tropey character interactions that we've already seen play out in countless other settings. Due to its setting, High School Fleet had a chance to be truly unique. This chance was somewhat squandered. I also think that this show would have really benefited from a higher animation budget. There was tons of opportunity here for gorgeous visuals that would have enhanced the viewing experience, but this wasn't fully capitalized upon.
I'm not sure if it had any effect on this anime production, but apparently the studio went bankrupt not long after it aired (the movie was made by a different studio). Maybe there's a story behind that.
I'll also include my opinion of the two OVA episodes: they were bad. The plot was bad and they didn't even take place on the ships, which removed a significant driver of my enjoyment of the show. The OVAs were considerably worse than the TV anime, in my opinion (OVA rating: 4/10). I wouldn't recommend watching them unless you adored the TV anime.
As for the 2020 movie, here are my comments on it:
- the same crude jarring CGI is used to animate the ships, unfortunately. In fact, the visuals in general are barely a step above the TV anime, which is disappointing. As I already said, this anime could benefit a lot from better visuals.
- again, not enough focus on the maritime theme of the show. Not nearly enough cool battleship content. To my stark disappointment, the first ~50 (FIFTY) minutes of the movie did not have a single battleship scene (so, basically half the runtime). High School Fleet continues to squander its potential by not focusing on the things that make it unique and entertaining. It still continues to be "Generic School Anime but Sometimes On a Boat This Time" (which unfortunately isn't unexpected).
- again, another ridiculously bad plot that feels like it came out of a grade-school creative writing class. Literally the kind of thing I'd expect in a one-star movie. Not that I care that much about the plot anyway. Please just show me some cool battleship stuff and accompanying gap moe; at this point I don't even care what storyline you need to justify it.
- when the battle scenes did finally arrive, they were pretty underwhelming, particularly for a movie. Sound effects were alright but could have been better. I was also disappointed by the lack of any ship-vs-ship skirmishes.
- the sense of novelty that kept me interested in the TV anime has since worn out. I've already seen 14 episodes of this anime, and the movie isn't really bringing anything new to the table.
- the characters are still just as cute as they were during the TV series. This is one thing that High School Fleet consistently does an okay job of.
- overall I simply didn't enjoy the movie as much as the TV series. Spending ~half the screentime onshore was a major reason for this. It's called High School FLEET, okay?! FLEET. As in, on ships at sea in the flipping water! That's all I'm asking for!
My overall rating for the 2020 movie: 4/10
Rin and Tama are the cutest!!
There's another thing I want to say about modern anime more generally, even though this review might not be the best place for it, and I'm probably stating the obvious anyway. A lot of modern 'moe' CGDCT shows will add a theme to their story or change the setting or do something to try to distinguish themselves from all the other similar shows. So many of these anime will, in concept, have a totally unique and interesting theme that could make for a memorable show. Upon implementation though, the show will squander this unique potential by deferring to the same tired formulaic CGDCT material — the same tired character interactions, the same stale comedy, the same character types and tropes. High School Fleet is yet another example of this (and hardly the most egregious). It doesn't fully commit to the elements that make it unique, and instead plays it safe, so what you end up with is Generic School Anime (sometimes on a boat this time!). Admittedly, High School Fleet has a unique plot (and unfortunately it's quite bad), so it's not even an ideal example of this phenomenon.
It can't be said enough. High School Fleets plot is completely pants on head retarded. If anything, you've understated how completely detrimental to the show it was, as I personally think it is solely responsible for killing it. A significant part of what made succubi und Panzer work was the delicate balance of tone it achieved, with CGDCT safely juxtaposed between hardcore tank warfare. Since nobody was ever in danger, no matter how the plot arrayed itself, it never became too serious but neither was it allowed to relax and become stereotypically banal. I strongly feel the gap moe of these two antithetical approaches, somehow mixing harmoniously, is quite novel and contributed heavily to its success.
HSF, in aiming for a more serious take, shoots itself in the foot by prohibiting that. It's instantly unbalanced, forced to constantly pick between being either deathly serious or no-stakes cute succubus things, or more often both in the same episode. It's incongruent and drastically cheapens both aspects. The magic mind control rats and other stupid crap near the end only put the final nail in the coffin.
I liked the studios style and a good bit of the adaptations they did, so it sucks to hear they died from this.
>A lot of modern 'moe' CGDCT shows will add a theme to their story or change the setting or do something to try to distinguish themselves
CGDCT but with a gimmick basically. Unfortunately, the gimmick tends to end up as mere afterthought, put in place to establish a weak background for the characters to rally around before the real intended core (SoL) of the story immediately supersedes it. From Kinmoza, Rifle is Beautiful, K-on, GochiUsa, Stella no Mahou, and so on, they all run on this to some degree. It's not necessarily a bad thing, and the importance and method of integration of it into the narrative is an easy measuring stick of objective quality for most of them. Too little and it's directionless fluff, too much and you get way too niche and your characters and atmosphere suffer.
spooky digits for a spooky plot.
Hahaha I tend to care a lot less about plot than the average person, so if I'm complaining about it then you know it's really bad!
Yeah it was real bad. It literally felt like a kid wrote it. All they had to do was have them fight pirates or something and it would've been fine.
For whatever reason I just really didn't like the GuP characters. I agree though that the mix of (low-stakes) warfare with moe is a winning combo. In concept, High School Fleet seemed like a license to print money. It's crazy how badly they screwed it up. The drama surrounding the MC's performance as a captain was pretty groan-inducing as well.
>I liked the studios style and a good bit of the adaptations they did, so it sucks to hear they died from this.
FYI, I don't know if High School Fleet was related to them going under, just thought it was worth mentioning.
>CGDCT but with a gimmick basically. Unfortunately, the gimmick tends to end up as mere afterthought, put in place to establish a weak background for the characters to rally around before the real intended core (SoL) of the story immediately supersedes it. From Kinmoza, Rifle is Beautiful, K-on, GochiUsa, Stella no Mahou, and so on, they all run on this to some degree. It's not necessarily a bad thing, and the importance and method of integration of it into the narrative is an easy measuring stick of objective quality for most of them. Too little and it's directionless fluff, too much and you get way too niche and your characters and atmosphere suffer.
At this point I want things to lean into the niche, because I've seen the formulaic CGDCT routine done so many times. Especially if the characters are tropey and simple. I tend to place a lot of value on uniqueness and creativity.
>>36667>FYI, I don't know if High School Fleet was related to them going under, just thought it was worth mentioning.
Oh, I think you might be partially correct actually. I hadn't bothered to personally fact-check and was only going off anilist information which appears to have been entirely wrong. HSF had a full committee comprised of Aniplex, Half H.P Studio, Asmik Ace, Graphinica, BS11, Contents Seed, Cromea, and Akatsuki. I'm very unfamiliar with half of that list, but whatever the case it's my understanding the animation studio wouldn't have lost any money at all from the venture. From casually glancing at everything else they did, they were only ever contracted out. Maybe they were simply grossly mismanaged?
>At this point I want things to lean into the niche
Try San Choume Zouhyou Monogatari. Manga only, and short, but it's the first thing off the top of my head that both fits the bill and is actually good.
>>36642>the update schedules of most manga
That's why I stick to completed works
Just dropping a quick review of Genocidal Organ, nothing fancy since it doesn't deserve a longer review and I don't hold any personal attachment to anything about it. Spoiler text used where spoilers are.
Animation wise its very clumsy and amateurish, even basic walking animation seemed like a challenge for them at times. Extremely noticeable in scenes with bigger crowds with people moving and changing in direction, really poor effort honestly. To add to that there is just too much cgi as well, it was attempted to be blended in, but failed to do so properly. Really jarring and awful to look at in general.
Sound wise the guns don't sound "realistic", but they don't sound bad or anything. Other than that I can't say there was much poorly done or very well done. There are some hilarious moments where you hear shells dropping on the floor… from the viewpoint of a gun firing out of a plane in the sky lol. Music wise there actually isn't even that much music played at all really. What does play is generic orchestra stuff you hear in any movie; very safe and doesn't do any wrong, but also does nothing above the average either.
Plot wise we have a modern hollywood slightly futuristic action film, think generic special ops call of duty plot but slightly in the future. Besides how painfully generic it is for any western viewer, it wasn't even executed well at all. Most notably is the really strange jump from after they crashed their helicopter down and lost John Paul - to suddenly being in another plane instantly with no explanation at all. I don't even know what they were thinking, but it feel really poorly thought out in general. You can invent an explanation in your head obviously, but you shouldn't have to just guess like that. The story is suppose to explain itself, not have you explain for it.
Themes are where it really had potential, and I'm sad they squandered it all. It seems like it wanted to comment on too much, from what freedom is, the compromises of freedom, if true freedom exists, modern survalence states, proxy warfare, color revolutions, the morality of genocide, if language can change perception of reality, the horrors of not knowing or being able to control the unconscious forces of the mind, etc, etc.
There was a really great show hidden in this mediocre call of duty film, its honestly a great shame it turned out the way it did. I give it a 5/10, the plot and animation were just too poor to give it anything higher, despite the potential for greatness it had.
In a way, these have got to be the hardest to watch, because you cringe at all the wasted potential.
While I agree that these kind of shows are hard to watch, I think generic and boring shows are far worse to endure. The worst of all being time wasters that use filler episodes or unneeded chibi comedy scenes to save budget and fluff out the running time. At least with something like Genocidal Organ there is a hope of goodness, and a spark of something greater than itself. On one hand it's painful watching the show unfold so poorly, yet I can at least think about how it COULD have gone. I think the far worse alternative is when I have almost no expectation or delusion of something great happening, and yet I look over and see I still have another 10+ episodes left to watch.
"Da Yu Hai Tang" - or in english; "Big Fish & Begonia". TLDR; it's not a particularly complex watch and its certainly no plot or character sensation, you will be watching it mostly for the glorious art which I can only describe, but should be witnessed first hand yourself. Just know that any Ghibli fans should watch this film at least once in their life. Any spoilers will be hidden by spoiler text.
A habit of going through art first seems to be growing on me, so why stop now? Animation! Its the main reason we watch anime, to animate - or to bring things to life; and Big Fish & Begonia (will refer to it as BF&B from now on) hits the nail perfectly square in that department. Sometimes just watching the animation was so enthralling that I forgot to even pay attention to the subtitles altogether - which to me is a sure fire way to tell how worthwhile any animation really is. Its smooth, effortless, whimsical at times, and always has something going on or in-motion to keep you looking and paying attention. There really is no lack of animation here, nor does the quality ever dip majorly to save budget; I can say with confidence that every minute of this show is really well done artistically. Humming birds flapping their wings, horses running, magical plants growing, the flapping of clothing from the wind, and all of it coming together to bring picture into motion and life. The only real negative here is the role of CGI that I couldn't say is minor without being a liar, but even then I can say it was well done without holding back a snicker. You can notice it, simply because the animation and detail is too perfect in the way CGI always is; yet the way the artists coloured and filtered it with after effects made it very well hidden. Don't take the use of CGI as a major part of this show, its really not, and what is there is well executed with effort clearly put into it. While I brought up Ghibli in my first paragraph, it's not quite there in animation, but discounting the CGI its honestly not far off.
To double up with fantastic animation, we have the frankly magnificent background art, and world design as a whole. It's very hard to accurately describe just how gorgeous the artwork is in this movie. If you have any appreciation for well crafted background work, you WILL be pausing this movie to soak in the different details and feelings many, many times throughout a single watch. Firstly, the story's narrative 'sky and seas' or as some of you may know it 'as above so below' - is so well entwined artistically I can only say it was spectacular to witness. The mirroring of still water reflecting the sky back up, of animals diving through clouds revealing the water underneath, and both of those turned back around; it blew me away how well it was orchestrated. It's not just about how well implemented it is to the narrative, but also the colour selection was enough to have me continuously pause the film and admire their work. The glowing warmth of lanterns and candles, the bright beaming blue sky at night with stars and moon reflecting back from the water, the dark cliffs and mountains jutting out above the low lands filled with murky fog showing only the tips of the rolling hills below. Much of the movie is screenshot worthy and that's not being hyperbolic. Very few animated movies will ever reach the heights of Ghibli or Disney in background art, but BF&B gave them a very close run for their money.
To quickly touch on the character designs, I will admit the faces and overall design of humans are very Avatar the Last Airbender influenced - and I don't hate them for that. The simplified designed functions well for the fantasy world and the kind of animation they clearly wanted. They more than make up for that lack of originality in human design via their showings of non humankind anyways. The mythical creatures and demigod-like figures that inhabit the world are unique and interesting unlike in Avatar which has rather plain depictions in that regard. These are without a doubt heavily inspired by Chinese mythology, and its great to see something so refreshingly new in a genre normally exclusively made for either Japanese or Western audiences. While I won't pretend I know much about the mythology itself, I am rather certain that many creatures in this show are probably given artist leeway to say the least, such as the faceless three armed boat paddler.
Musically this sountrack was very… western? It almost sounded like if you asked a western studio to make a normal soundtrack, but with very slight hints of Chinese influences. Which compared to something almost farcical like Mulan, is far more tasteful. Overall it is very safe and time tested orchestra music, while also having more unique digital sounding tracks for certain scenes like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXCdp7eVewE
. Seeing as this is a movie targeted for younger audiences, there is a lot of music and sound to drive the show due to not having a focus on long strings of dialogue which would bore the children, obviously. The ambient tracks do a great job of showing off the feeling of the scenes and to create the feel of a fantasy world. The placement of the music felt right for each scene, and I can't complain about the tracks themselves, so good work overall.
The weakest part of this show is in its story itself, and especially with the characters. Now it could be that I merely missed it being a giant reference to some Chinese mythology, but that wouldn't excuse its inability to create a good story on its own two feet without outside material. As a movie for children you obviously won't find any real complexity in regards to story; it is very straightforward in its approach, yet is perfectly interesting enough to watch it go along its simple way. What I can say is that things seem rather haphazardly thrown together and sometimes are just completely left unexplained or unfinished such as: the rat lady who had her part completed just fine midway through the movie, but for some unknown reason she was brought back in and the audience is informed she was cursed, and then had the curse lifted due to story events, only for her to fly off into the human realm for reasons unknown and never be seen again.
When that happened I just scratched my head in confusion, and wondered what the hell was the point in showing that event at all. Maybe it is some reference to a mythological tale, but it still had no real relevance to the story being told by the movie and its creators themselves.
Motivations are something the story struggled with, and I can't say there is much to dig into at all. Chun the MC herself is just some absurd being driven entirely by her love for a human man whom she only knew from seeing him in the distance and whom she accidentally kills by flailing around in her dolphin form
. The second most important character also being an absurd being driven entirely by his love for someone whom shows almost no gratitude towards him despite him literally sacrificing himself for her
. While the third character was a mute dolphin who originally was a man that loved dolphins and then died because of the MC, only to be resurrected as a dolphin - so maybe he got what he wanted in the end
. The characters are just rather badly written if I am to be honest, certainly not worth diving too in-depth about.
Finally the themes and message of the show, there is something here as with any show that exists, but not exactly a cultured or sophisticated take on anything. Obviously resurrection and the inevitability of death being very strongly shown in the grandfather dying to become a begonia tree, and in the literal phoenix reincarnation of the grandmother
. Funnily enough for a Chinese anime, there is a massive individual focused philosophy in this show, with the MC sacrificing basically the entire of her known world for the sake of her dolphin lover,
and not only that, but actually being given the go ahead by her grandfather. However, after a big helping of empathy from the MC once she sees the suffering of her family and friends
, she does decide to sacrifice herself to save everyone and her dolphin lover
. So maybe it's not exactly a individualist message, but one of love and kindness just as the grandfather said "as long as you keep your kind heart". There are ideas such as if living without happiness is worth anything, and other things that are brought up but never really explored too deeply.
My final remarks are that the lack of cohesion in plot combined with poorly thought out characters thwarted this film from standing next to other animated masterpieces. While it has in my eyes a near perfect score in art and world design, being only topped by the kings of such things like Spirited Away and GiTS, it just can't stand next to them when taken as a whole (and especially not when you factor in its use of CGI). Still, it deserves its praise in what it does well, and what it does well is what anime is meant for - thus I hand it a 7/10.
Yes kind-of, but I will say that its really not awful to watch in the moment. For instance if you can stand watching stupid shows about stupid succubi doing stupid things, then this film should be no problem at all. Just sit back, watch the amazing art, and only really look at the surface of the story; your going to have a good time. Its once you start being a pedantic autist like myself that it starts coming apart story wise, but don't think there isn't good dialog or character moments in the film , its just when looked at in-depth its pretty poorly written.
I mean I still think the film is great even with its shortcomings, I gave it a 7/10 afterall - its not a film to pass up in my eyes. However I admit I am heavily biased to great artstyle and animation in general, I even have Memories(1995) at a 8 or 9 I think, and that truly was an animation showcase.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Animation fans need their fix, too.
>>36786>Animation fans need their fix
Watch just about any movie released throughout the year? idol shows? Even if you're jerking off to animation supremacy, there's no real reason to trump up a random shitty Chinkime when there's a plethora of choice at any given moment.
>>36788> any movie released throughout the year?
Please don't discredit something you haven't even watched, Big Fish & Begonia stands to be compared to the giants of anime films, not your average low effort garbage shovelled out each year. If you don't like the Chinese and don't want to see their films that's fine, but don't pretend like you have any other reason besides that. In the future you are going to miss out on a lot of good anime if you keep up that kind of thought process.
I watched Yuri on Ice ("Yuri!!! on Ice"). Here are my thoughts:
Visually, the anime is good overall. There are lots of really nice character designs. The cinematography is pretty good, especially during the skating scenes. The character animation is fluid, although sometimes inconsistent. Some episodes were better than others in terms of animation quality. The most jarring visual imperfections were the frequent off-model frames during the skating scenes. This might have been exacerbated by my tendency to repeatedly pause and rewind these parts, but I doubt I'm the only one who noticed this. I'm not a stickler for animation quality, but there was room for refinement here. In any case, at least they didn't use CGI for the skating. For the record, I watched the Blu-rays; I've heard anecdotally that the TV broadcast had some animation sloppiness.
Sound effects are nicely done. Like in the ice arenas for example, it sounds exactly as it would in real life. I could feel the cold rink-arena air as I watched this anime. The OST is decent, although I wish there were more musical variety, particularly during the skating scenes. Both the OP and ED songs are great. Voice acting is alright; Victor has a nice voice.
Although not bad, the writing of Yuri on Ice is not one of its stronger attributes. The story is simply okay, and it serves its purpose. Anyone watching this anime should set their expectations low in this regard. Personally, I didn't particularly empathize with any of the characters.
Sometimes character development seemed abrupt and unexpected, without adequate foreshadowing. This might partially be a consequence of the show's pacing, which is arguably kinda quick.
Strictly in terms of being a sports anime, Yuri on Ice is decent in this regard too. The skating scenes are captivating. Watching this anime made me want to go play some kind of sport. Although it did not feel as intensely competitive as other sports shows I have seen, there is a lot of emphasis on the mental state and psyche of the figure skaters, moreso than I'd expect in an ordinary sports show. The strong emphasis on the psychological dimension of sport performance is a somewhat-unique trait of this show. I suppose the solitary nature of figure-skating performance is ideal for this. Personally, I think it would have been nice to see more attention paid to the technical aspects of figure skating, although I suspect few other people share that opinion.
I think that Yuri on Ice sought to strike a balance between on-ice scenes and off-ice scenes. In terms of total runtime, the anime has tons of scenes on ice — even more than I expected. The on-ice scenes are very entertaining and are when the show is at its best, in my opinion. I really did enjoy the skating scenes. However, this came at the cost of having less time for off-ice content, and consequently, less time for character development and related storytelling. The prioritization of on-ice scenes may be one factor which resulted in my lack of empathy and emotional connection with the characters. Now, I'm not saying there is anything objectively wrong with this. Yuri on Ice delivered more skating content than I expected, and I'm thankful for it. However, I think that the consequences of this screentime allocation should be acknowledged. This effect is also compounded by the size of the cast; the large number of characters diluted the attention paid to individual character arcs. I think one mistake this anime made was trying to implement character arcs for too many side characters; it would have been better to exclusively focus on the main characters, particularly due to the scarcity of off-ice screentime. On the other hand, more character arcs create more potential ways that a viewer might connect with the anime, which in theory might broaden its appeal. Perhaps this was a decision made with the intent to make Yuri on Ice more of a 'crowd pleaser' show (a common strategy for the directorial decisions, it seems to me).
Now of course for the answer to the question some of you are wondering — how gay was it? Well, it was pretty gay. In fact it was even gayer than I expected. There was a lot of very strongly implied subtext, both in words and actions. However, a lot of it struck me as pandering fanservice. Sometimes it was almost exaggerated to the point where it broke my immersion. It was not an elegant kind of romance; it was more like forcefed fanservice. I didn't dislike the flavour, but it could have been implemented more gracefully. The crudely implemented homosexual overtones did not match the elegance of the figure skating. This flaw is also representative of a broader issue that I have with this anime — I wish it took itself more seriously. Yuri on Ice feels like it was created to please its audience (and sell) instead of satisfy an artistic vision. It is difficult to become emotionally engaged when there is a constant barrage of various forms of practically fourth-wall-breaking fanservice. Similarly, potentially great scenes are sometimes dragged down by the use of comedy. Yuri on Ice could have been a very emotional show if it told its story with confidence and seriousness, instead of (perhaps cynically) pandering to the audience. I wonder if things would have turned out differently if this was a manga adaptation.
My overall rating: 7/10
It was a consistently entertaining anime. The figure-skating scenes were both captivating and plentiful. It was easy to watch, however it never really engaged me on an emotional level. Don't go into this anime expecting a compelling story or rich characters — you won't get either of those things. Fortunately, there are plenty of other sources of enjoyment. Even though there is an overarching story, you could show a random episode to someone unacquainted with the series and they would probably still be entertained. It is a surprisingly easily digestible show, in stark contrast to my wrongful prior assumptions about it being more suited for a niche audience. As for the homosexual romance element, if you go into this expecting anything deeper than shameless pandering fanservice then you will be disappointed. For maximum enjoyment, Yuri on Ice should be approached with a casual lighthearted attitude. Also, due to how much skating content there is, I'd advise against 'binge watching' this anime. It will feel repetitive if you watch it too frequently. I watched ~2 episodes a week and this felt optimal to me. Yuri on Ice is an enjoyable anime if you set your expectations correctly.
I also want to say, despite this anime's reputation, it is a decent sports show. Before viewing, I expected that the skating aspect would be secondary to the core story. This is not the case. Skating is the central theme in this anime and I'm grateful for it. I would sincerely recommend this anime to people who enjoy sports shows, regardless of the sexual overtones.
I'm not sure what the situation is with the rumoured sequel movie. I had been delaying watching this anime because of the supposedly upcoming movie, but unfortunately it still hasn't come to fruition.
Can you suggest some idol shows that wil get me hooked on the series please.
Idolish7, unironically. >>36921
I'm a huge LL fan but IIRC he said he didn't like it.
3 short films bundled into a compilation, all of them being quite good. All of them are kinda low on dialog and high on feels.
Mostly showing of what the studio Ponoc can do.
And excellent animation all throughout. https://www.sakugabooru.com/post?tags=modest_heroes+
My favorites being when the little kid has an allergic reaction and runs down the stairs, and every scene with the invisible man.
For otaku-friendly stuff, try IM@S, Love Live, Re;Stage, Ochikobore Fruit Tart, Lapis Re;lights, or, on the otome side of things, I7, I✰chu, King of Prism, or Ensemble Stars. Most of these shows are only nominally 'idol' shows, and instead have far more overlap with other genres, such as CGDCT, comedy, coming-of-age, drama, reverse harem, etc etc. As such, your experience may vary wildly. Do some research beforehand.
Alternatively, you can try youjo-muke idol anime, which are far more on the nose and unironic in their appreciation. Mainly this consists of the juggernaut franchises of Aikatsu and Pretty, but they each have several different iterations by this point with varying takes on the idol theme. Some are comedic, some are hyper-competitive shoujo sports drama, some are laidback idol SoL. They're all self-contained seasons, they're all good, and they all have lives every single episode, running the entire gamut of musical genres.>>36922
I7 is great, but probably not what I'd recommend to someone firstly. Don't underestimate how hard it can be for the uninitiated to overlook the incredible fujobait homolust.
Watched Kage. It's a dark action hentai about a succubus ninja who sleeps with people before killing them. It's pretty much the same thing every episode: revolting sex scene followed by a gory execution and then a ninja fight. And I call the sex revolting but it's 'normal' sex; I just find it really grotesque in these old hentais. But that's part of the charm with shows like this and A Kite, the dirtiness and grossness of it adds to the atmosphere.
The story doesn't go anywhere. It's just an excuse for sex and killing, but it is quite fun seeing traditional ninja doing ninja stuff.
Tekkon Kinkreet, a movie with a great artstyle, interesting soundtrack, and even better background work. Based on a manga with the same name from the person who made Ping Pong. If you're seeking an excellent looking show with a somewhat mature vibe and a bit of obscurity to chew on; I would say this is certainly worth a watch. Spoilers will be in spoiler text below.
To begin lets touch on animation, its fluid and almost always happening with little key frame senaniganes. There is CGI used in some panning shots, driving segments, and camera angle changes, but its so well done I can't hate it for that. Its not very often so don't worry about it. One note I do have here - is that the artstyle is in a Ping Pong the animation design, meaning that it not only looks pretty unique, but far more importantly is easier to animate. There is less detail and strict form needed to be taken into account in this style; not that its a bad thing, its just means that extra animation should be expected and I'm glad to see it did indeed do so. A negative I do have in regards to animation is the abuse of motion blur effects, it is very noticable and lets be honest here, it's just a way to save budget by avoiding animating properly. That being said in addition to the extra animation the artstyle allows for, the background artists of this movie really put in a massive amount of work, its spectacular how intricate and full of detail the city is. From the moving signs, the endless expanse of buildings, the las vegas style advertisements, street vendors, theres too much to see without pausing the film, and god do I think that is a good thing. Some might say its a waste of effort, I suppose they might also say the intricate details hidden away in the ceiling corners of a gothic church was a waste of effort. For those who are willing to take the time needed to view them, I can say for myself there was no wasted effort. Its nice to see "too much effort" than too little, such is the standard these days.
Moving on to the soundtrack, it is exceptionally well done and rather unusual which is not something I say too often. Just listen to the first 4 minutes of the first track from the OST https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WixQfMABnFA
containing a rhythmic beat, some tambourines, synths, bit of guitar, digital sounds being distorted, a xylophone of some sorts, something that almost sounds like a harp, its a rather wild piece for a movie honestly. The rest being just as odd, yet when you listen to them in the movie it all fits so well. As someone who has grown rather weary of your standard orchestra pieces or hollywood inception sounds, I was very pleased to have such a different take on a soundtrack
The strangest part of Tekken Kinkreet to me is not the artstyle or soundtrack though, its the story itself and the aftertaste when finished. Not that its hard to follow, but the events and cast mix in a rather peculiar way. Surreal is something thrown around a bit too often, but I do feel like Tekkon Kinkreet was trying to reach for that sentiment. You can easily interpret this entire story to not actually be real at all, alternatively you can take it at face value, both seem to function perfectly - which is what gives it the strange aftertaste. Nearly everything could be taken metaphorically, even the characters seem as such very obviously with the two MC's being called Kuro and Shiro (Black and White) respectively. This obvious ying yang reference is played out in Kuro's vicious nature and dark thoughts, while Shiro retains his childlike innocence and love for the world. They both complement each other perfectly to the point Shiro even states "I have every nut and bolt that Kuro is missing from his heart"
. There are also other clear metaphors such as the ocean signifying things such as death, other reality, new experiences, fantasies, dreams, etc. Kuro and Shiro very easily suggest themes like moderation in everything, that one needs both good and bad to grow up and be a functional human, Shiro representing idealism and fantasy gone so far as to distort your perception of reality while Kuro representing cynicism and anger doing the same.
Far more enjoyable than the two MC's however was to watch yakuza characters, who seemed far more like real people rather than just some abstract metaphor for mysticism or depression from trauma. This applies to both the older Suzuki and the younger Kimura, who I almost wished had a separate movie for themselves. Its great watching both struggle with putting away sentimentality, and each failing to do so leading to their own self destruction. Suzuki's monologues about time passing and the world moving on without you
isn't very unique, but the character pulls it off in such an almost apathetic and yet caring way its hard not to respect what is being said. In the end what he loved was the city and to see it being taken from him was the same as death, so he choose to die from the very young man who he trained himself
. A perfect and befitting end to the younger generation overtaking the older showing the passing of time yet again. Another great connection is that in all major characters of this show, the common link is a great desire to own, control, or impose their will upon "the city" or as each one stated to themselves and others "MY city". This was a great common theme among the entire cast and shows off the innate drive and desires of those whom live in cities. Even the film comments on how it's not that the city has grown cold (this happening during a scene of crowds ignoring the homeless), but that cities have been cold even since the time of Babylon itself.
One minor detraction I have with Tekkon Kinkreet is the high amounts of action scenes that serve very little purpose at all, technically yes they are related to the story, but I don't really need to see such long chases myself unless I am being presented with real sakuga moments to keep me interested. Sometimes as well I felt the movie got a little bit shounenish, especially during the scene where Kuro's evil sides surfaces and gives him a power up
. What I will say is that at least Tekkon Kikreet respects its views more than shounen does during action scenes. One example of that is how they didn't feel the need to explain the 5 o'clock plan of tiring out the other party while keeping one of their own members full of energy
. Other shounen would not have the respect of the viewer enough to keep quiet and let him/her think and figure it out for themselves.
So what do I think of Tekkon Kinkreet? The more time one spends thinking about this show, the better it becomes. Originally before this review I thought it was just ok, but after spending more time analyzing each theme and connection, one has to admit that there was an extravagant amount of effort put in to this story and animation. Truly I didn't even begin to truly get into every idea I had about the show, since you might as well be reading a book at that point. I rate this film a 8/10, its rather obvious metaphors (there are less obvious ones), uninteresting two MC's on a human level, and action scenes were of no real interest to me so I can't place it any higher than this. What I will say is that the backgrounds, artstyling, world design, soundtrack, inter-connectivity of the story and characters, and of some personalities made this a fantastic watch.
The soundtrack was done by Plaid aka one of the greatest duos in electronic music.
That explains it then, I was listening to the OST by itself thinking it was actually a very nice album. Usually I find "electronic" music to be rather boring and overly rhythmic/repetitive, but not nearly as much in this work here. I'm assuming this is "IDM"? Honestly I'm unsure of "electronic" genres myself, I can tell what generic house, d&b, or techno is; but as soon as it becomes slightly unusual I can't tell what obscure subgenre it falls under anymore. Either way an exceptional soundtrack for sure.
>>36966>I'm assuming this is "IDM"?
Yes, if you're to call anyone's work "IDM" then they would fit the bill.
Ok nice I got it right, that genre gets pretty wild and different, so I often have a hard time knowing what exactly is IDM or not. I generally just try to listen for irregular time signatures and less repetition in the song or album. Its sort of like the prog of "electronic" from my understanding. Anyways thanks, maybe I'll check out their other stuff when I'm in a mood for digital sounds.
is Heihachi in this?
I watched Konohana Kitan. Here are my thoughts:
The characters are kind of bland but there is good chemistry among the cast. Some of the character designs are cute, and there are some nice kimono outfits. The show has a fairly rich traditional-Japan theme, and primarily takes place at a large rustic ryokan. Most of the characters are so-called "fox succubi" who are ryokan employees. The fox succubus thing is mildly cute but it's not a major reason for my watching the show, although I'd imagine there is a passionate audience out there for this kind of thing. There are some mild supernatural themes that creep into the show at times as well. This anime often feels like it has a surreal dream-like atmosphere.
Art style during some scenes is nice. Colour is used well. The background in some frames can be quite detailed and colourful. Visuals are one of the show's stronger attributes. The animation itself isn't particularly fluid, and there are a lot of stills, but I often found myself pausing to admire frames.
The OST is okay and the voice acting is mostly unremarkable. I would have preferred a different seiyuu for the main character; her voice was kind of annoying to me. I liked the voice acting for Ren (the pink-haired succubus).
This anime definitely has direction issues. Although I haven't read the manga, I get the impression that it might be a better way to approach this if you care about the story. This anime feels very disjointed. It feels like random scenes from the manga were just haphazardly slapped together with zero care for the broader narrative. Episodes have inconsistent mood, and transitions between scenes are not handled well. Furthermore, I often felt like I was missing background information during any remotely plot-related scene. Sometimes it almost felt like I was watching a promotional video for the real content, instead of an actual stand-alone anime.
There is a lot of yuri pandering. However, I never felt any sense of deeper meaningful romance. It always felt kinda cheap and shallow. 'Pandering' really is the right word to use here. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy it, but you should know not to expect anything deeper in this regard. Even beyond the romance element, the whole show just feels like fluff. There's little cohesion from scene to scene, nevermind between episodes. For me, this anime was just something to shut my brain off to and watch some cute stuff with nice visuals. If you expect anything more than this then you will likely be disappointed.
Despite my criticisms, it was still usually a pleasant and relaxing show to watch. The more I tried to actually use my brain while watching it, the less I enjoyed it. The show is fine though as just some cute fluff to wind down with at the end of the day. This anime is best watched immediately before bedtime.
My overall rating: 6/10
You have the post order mixed up my friend.
I really don't care about shitchan and the main purpose of me making a thread there is so that my review will get included in the /a/ archives.
You should have seen what an absolute dumpster fire my Yuri on Ice review thread turned into.
I didn't know you also posted these on 4ch/a/d.>You should have seen what an absolute dumpster fire my Yuri on Ice review thread turned into.
Took a quick peak myself, typical of nu-/a/, I don't think a single person actually read your review. Thread is either people crying "tldr", just seeing the title and posting something about the show irrelevant of the OP, and of course the majority of posts just begin diehards arguing over some irrelevant issue no one gives a fuck about beside themselves. /a/ is just a dumpsterfire in general, frankly its just awful to read 99% of the time. The shitposting can be funny though, if there's one good thing about the shounenshit generals its the stupid memes they crank out on a regular basis.
Sometimes I will search the /a/ archives with keyword searches of anime I have seen in order to read what others have said about it. This is best done for less-popular shows because more-popular shows tend to attract shitposting and lower-quality discussion, and also just because of the general scarcity of discussion for less-popular anime. For example, I recently read the seasonal Prince of Stride threads, and they were surprisingly tolerable by shitchan standards.
Anyway, for the sake of people like me who also do this, I like to ensure that my own reviews get incorporated into the archives.
If anyone has better anime discussion platforms to suggest then I'd be happy to hear about it.
Boku dake ga Inai Machi, a rather mediocre mystery series. I'll try to make this relatively quick since its not really unique enough to warrant a full on review, however I will go into the characters and plot in some depth. Spoilers will be in spoiler text below.
Animation/arstyle, its generic and absolutely FULL of cgi. It's a modern anime TV series, there is no creativity or risk taking at all. Digital aftereffects with CG run the show, and its not well done at all. There isn't a single sakuga moment in this series, nor even an attempt at one. Knowing that, I must assume that the budget was not great at all. That being said - that doesn't excuse just painfully boring it is too look at, and how little they tried to do anything differently. I can honestly say I didn't bother to take a single screenshot while watching this series, the ones I posted are purely for this review.
The soundtrack was pretty standard for the most part, you know the usual orchestra stuff you've heard many times before. Its not poorly done, but you won't ever think "yea that sounds like the Boku dake ga Inai Machi OST" even once in your life. Its modern anime through and through.
Plot is where the only possible enjoyment could be had in this series. Yet it wasn't that great either, it tried for something great - but unfortunately just ended up rather predicable and not very believable at all. First off we have a time travel mechanic; which I generally hate because it means nothing can be meaningful when you can just go back in time and change it anyways. This mechanic is tied to no real rules, so its basically just a whenever the fuck its convenient for the author to have it happen. The villain and murderer of the series could be easily guessed within 3 episodes, and there is no other real potential opposition to that assumption. So effectively you are just stuck waiting for the obvious reveal during the many episodes leading to that, and it should surprise literally no one when it happens. Both the mechanic and the genre are frankly just poorly implemented, maybe if you've never seen a mystery series or time travel before this sereies, it might be interesting for you.
Anyways, so Satoru the MC goes back in time to grade 5 to save an assortment of people from death. As the MC became a child I was expecting to hear of some difficulty in acting as one again, in order to not draw attention to his being a 30 year old mind in a prepubescent child's body. This was skipped over entirely, and no one really sees any difference or cares if they do notice. Along with this we have the other """children""" who might as well be fully fledged adults with how they act and think. Especially Kenya is just out of line for a supposed 10-11 year old, even if this was half-heartedly explained by his introduction stating him to be very clever. Not only is he unfazed by every act of the show in stoic intellect, his insights into life and people is just too much for a child whose only 5 years past drawing pictures with crayons. We also have the mother just somehow knowing everything her child is thinking, which is explained by nothing and might as well just be "because that's the way she is". Yet this all-knowing mother apparently couldn't tell her son (whom is an open book to her) had now aged mentally nearly two decades. Overall the characters are not very well written at all, except for maybe Kayo was done somewhat fairly? I won't pretend I know what traumatized children act like perfectly, but I didn't find myself scoffing too much at her actions. One could argue she was too quick to accept the MC as a friend, on the other hand one could argue that her trauma and lack of friends might be the reason she was so quick to accept. To add to that, the anime explains that she and the MC are similar to each other being "fakes and liars" according to herself, so maybe its just a perfect match kind of thing.
There is a lot more to dig into and be pedantic over such as the last 3 episodes feeling like an addon to the show and frankly just absurd in how the MC acts entirely; but I think you kind of get the idea on my thoughts of the show anyways. So what did I think overall? Its another generic modern anime, "another one in the pile" is how I feel about it. I can't say anything was downright offensively bad, however there is no reason to ever watch this show in my opinion. 5/10, Its just boring and rather uninteresting overall.
I watched Urara Meirochou. Here are my thoughts:
This show focuses on novice users of divine powers and their journey to improve those skills. I like divine themes in any kind of story, so I'm probably a little biased in the degree to which I liked this anime. In fact, I wish the show focused even more on the actual divine powers and supernatural themes. In terms of screentime, this anime has a lot of typical slice-of-life scenes. However, there are sprinklings of broader plot that are strategically added. When they do occur, the divination scenes are quite nice.
The main characters in the show are all likable and have good chemistry in their interactions. However, this anime has too much comedy, in my opinion. Both in terms of the way it interrupts enjoyable moments and in the way that so much overall screentime is sucked up by mediocre comedy. The timing of the comedy was poor too. It often broke the tone of a scene in a disruptive way, and in general was too frequent for my taste. I sometimes felt like I was getting emotional whiplash by the way the mood constantly jumped around. It felt like the show was trying to cater to someone with an extremely low attention span. There were many moments where I was soaking in the mood of a scene, only for it to be disrupted by some unfunny tone-breaking comedy. This is the show's greatest flaw from my perspective. However, in fairness, the latter half of the series is comparatively less comedy-heavy.
The art style is unique, creative, and in general quite nice. The style of the background setting, like the town's houses, is unique. The soft pastel colour palette is nice. Stylized frames with artistic patterns and the like (think Hidamari Sketch) are effectively used during dialogue scenes. The pervasive use of soft curvy haphazard linework contributes to the show's playful fantasy-like atmosphere; it sort of reminds me of childrens' storybooks. Some of the character designs are fairly cute, with cute outfits too. The animation quality in this is fairly average, but there is a lot of visual detail. You can tell that a lot of attention was paid to minor details, moreso than I'd expect from this kind of anime. I found myself pausing frequently just to admire random objects or features in the frame. Cinematography is used effectively and creatively as well. Each scene usually has lots of variety in terms of 'camera' angles, framing, distortion, etc. A lot of care and creativity was put into this anime's visuals, even though it doesn't have 'butter-smooth' animation. I really enjoyed the visual aspects of this show.
The main characters have incredibly cute voice work, which is great because the show is dialogue-heavy. It seemed like a fair bit of attention is paid to sound effects, like during divination scenes for example. Even mundane things, like the sound of movement on tatami mats, are handled in detail and with care. The OST seemed good, although it is usually overshadowed by dialogue and sound effects.
My overall rating: 8/10
Despite my distaste for the comedy and the way it was implemented, this show is exceptional in many other ways, and I very much enjoyed watching it. The atmosphere, setting and themes are rich and unique. The art style is creative and unique. All of the main characters are likable. The divine powers theme in the story is interesting and refreshing. However, if they got rid of the comedy and focused even more on the divine elements in the writing, I imagine that I would rate this anime even higher. In fact this anime had all the ingredients to be a 10/10 for me personally, and that potential could have been realized if things were executed differently. Regardless of my lamenting some squandered potential, I enjoyed this anime quite a lot.
I want to read the manga because the writing seems like it has lots of promise.
Lastly, to anyone who enjoys the SoL genre, absolutely I would recommend this anime. It is creative, comfy, cute, playful, relaxing, and unique. I enjoyed every single episode and always looked forward to watching it. It really was exceptional.
while i was scrolling by i thought this said based
I still don't understand why this became so popular, dude acts completly retarded at the start and could have completly avoided the police thinking it was him
Got one more episode of flip flappers to watch but seems like it's mostly wrapped up. Wouldn't say it's a 10 but better than that madoka schlock.
Well at least that's somewhat understandable, you could just assume he lost his sense of reason due to being emotionally charged after seeing his own mother dead before his eyes. I think far worse was the ending, where he seems to suddenly become some 1000+iq genius who even predicts being pushed off an exact ledge off of the roof. Not to mention the whole dialog between him and the killer, completely out of character entirely. It was just absurd honestly. For me it was bad before, but the last 3~ episodes basically killed any potential this series had of being above average.
I watched the Blame! movie, released in 2017. Here are my thoughts:
For the record, I have never seen the older (2003) OVAs nor have I ever read the manga. I knew nothing about the franchise before watching this movie. Obviously this review will not address the faithfulness of this adaptation to the manga; I am only evaluating the movie as a standalone product.
Basically, Blame takes place in a sci-fi post-apocalyptic setting because machines took over and blah blah blah reasons. The premise and setting kind of reminded me of the live-action Matrix trilogy.
This movie is animated in CGI (well, at least the characters and machines are). There were moments where the character animation seemed unnatural, but overall the characters looked okay to me. By CGI standards, it looked good. Facial expressions were done surprisingly well, which is unusual for CGI animation. Beyond the characters, the background setting looked terrific. There is tons of detail in the background landscapes, which really complements the post-apocalyptic sci-fi setting. There are lots of screencap-worthy frames in this movie. The muted, mostly grayscale, colour palette is suitable as well.
The audio production quality is excellent. Lots of different sound effects really enhanced my immersion. Regardless of the CGI visuals, this movie sounded very realistic to me. Blame's setting is one that can really be enhanced by sound effects, so it's great that this was capitalized upon. The OST is great too, and really well produced. The voice acting is adequate; I liked Cibo's voice.
The plot was pretty generic post-apocalyptic sci-fi material, and fairly predictable. In some ways it felt like a generic Hollywood blockbuster film plot. Although at times I felt like I was missing background information, it was overall coherent and competently executed. The plot was also fairly self-contained, meaning that there were no significant loose strings at the end (a common manga-adaptation issue). There was minimal character development, but the characters served their purposes, and none of them were annoying or unpleasant. Some of the character dynamics were a little corny at times, but these instances were short-lived. In terms of sci-fi stuff, there is a decent helping of cool technology in here, although nothing particularly unique.
My overall rating: 7/10
I found this movie immersive and consistently entertaining. It sounded great and looked good. It was competently directed and didn't have any major flaws. It was a good cinematic experience. Manga readers probably feel differently, but I think this movie did a good job of depicting a post-apocalyptic sci-fi setting.
If you have a surround-sound setup then I'd recommend using it if you decide to watch this (or at least a decent pair of headphones).
I didn't expecting you of all people to give it a 7/10, normally you don't even like movies, especially with the semi-mute main character interacting with the others. Did you not find Killy's exchanges with Cibo to not be truly odd? The way she opens up about herself with no actual input from Killy? I mean I understand why he is like that, due to manga reasons, but for you it must have been strange no? He's almost like a final fantasy MC that says nothing since you are playing as them.
Yea I'm so confused that you liked this, the only explanation I can think of is that this movie was seriously moe as hell. Which is probably why I also hated it so much. I'm still shocked.
>the background setting looked terrific
Of course, since its all based on the original Blame.
The sound design was excellent and the setting looked great. The OST was way better than your average anime.
>normally you don't even like movies, especially with the semi-mute main character interacting with the others. Did you not find Killy's exchanges with Cibo to not be truly odd? The way she opens up about herself with no actual input from Killy? I mean I understand why he is like that, due to manga reasons, but for you it must have been strange no?
Movies are typically too short for me to care about the characters (this is why movies are a poor format for dramas), so as long as nobody is annoying or really unlikable then I'm fine. Cibo pretty much got used for loredump purposes in terms of the dialogue, so it seemed to me. I had no issues with Killy. Most of my enjoyment of the movie came from its audio and cinematic qualities. I have no strong feelings about the characters. Obviously I haven't read the manga, so I'm not nearly as invested in the story as other viewers.
>this movie was seriously moe as hell
This is a huge exaggeration, IMO. You are using the term 'moe' very loosely. There were only like two characters in the entire cast who had vaguely cute-ish character designs, and their designs hardly seemed inconsistent with the other humans (and one of them dies in a gruesome way anyway). People are seriously kneejerk overreacting to the (barely present) so-called 'moe' elements. It is really silly.
There's nothing wrong with moe, and you can't stop from seeing it everywhere because you have a facile understanding of anime and the culture which spawned it.
>>37075>The sound design was excellent
I actually totally thought the opposite, I think they could have done so much more sound wise, and the OST was so off for what a dystopian post cyberpunk world should be. Serial Experiments Lain and Boogiepop Phantom are examples of something carried by their sound design, but I didn't feel anything close to that in this. Even the $0 budget OVAs/ONA's I reviewed here >>36407
had better sound design IMO. I don't think the film ever had a moment as cool as the the mp4 I linked in that same post.
The OST like I said was super off in my opinion, standard orchestra with standard instruments was already bad enough, but then they had these strange folk influences as well which is just so wrong for the setting. Am I not right for thinking this should have been almost entirely electronic? Just listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eobrXrsiXc
and seriously try to explain why a harp is playing in a distopian horrorshow of a world. Its impossible.
>You are using the term 'moe' very loosely.
Zuru, who might as well be the MC from how much screen time she has, is pure and utter moe. There is no reason for her to exist as a character besides to be a moeblob, which is something that Nihei is obsessed with ever since his daughter said she didn't like his manga Biomega. Sure the setting is gritty and grimdark, but the characters sure are fucking moe as hell. Even Cibo looks completely out of place, and is now pure waifubait at this point. Its moe as hell and I can't see how Zuru is anything but a moeblob forced in to cash out on some waifufags.>>37076
Pic related, you are objectively wrong.
All you did was repeat that the characters are "moe as hell". This doesn't amount to much proof, nor do those images you've posted; do all modern female character designs look "moe" to you?
>>37078>nor do those images you've posted;
>>37077>The OST like I said was super off in my opinion, standard orchestra with standard instruments was already bad enough, but then they had these strange folk influences as well which is just so wrong for the setting. Am I not right for thinking this should have been almost entirely electronic?
Well, I liked the orchestral soundtrack and thought it was well done (will definitely be relistening to it in the future), but this is all a matter of personal taste. Anime/movie producers tend to suck ass at making electronic music anyway, so be careful what you wish for. The orchestral soundtrack will also age way better, IMO.
>Its moe as hell and I can't see how Zuru is anything but a moeblob forced in to cash out on some waifufags.
Even if I were to agree with you, I don't really see what the big deal is. Western sci-fi is usually jam-packed with 'waifubait' characters too, but that doesn't invalidate its artistic value. >>37078
It looks like a fairly ordinary female character design to me. I'm surprised he didn't pick a screenshot that featured her CGI-animated witch orbs lol
What does this even mean? Can you properly respond or not?
>>37080>I liked the orchestral soundtrack and thought it was well done
That is understandable, Which it may very well be, but I just thought it didn't function as a proper dystopian Sci Fi soundtrack. There were tracks that I found enjoyable like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3l4sifNTr8
, but for every track like that there was a track like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbE7bwlRH3
which just make my head spin back from how off-putting and misplaced it was. I guess if you just rate it off enjoyment then maybe I get you, it just felt like it was for the wrong movie to me.
>Western sci-fi is usually jam-packed with 'waifubait' characters too
Yea, but I don't like it when they do that either. I also think western scifi tends not to be as in your face about it, and handled in a more tactful and mature way. For instance I find Ripley from Alien and Racheal from Blade runner to be far more tasteful than generic moeblob Zuru and robot mistress Cibo. Even cibo's very strut animation signifies sexuality, see vid related. Racheal also has real lore to explain her looks, while cibo is simply a robot mistress for no reason at all besides being waifu bait. There was unlimited options for her design lore wise, but of course it just had to be a waifu. >>37081
Reading comprehend skills on point, stay in school kids.
>>37082>>37084>It just has to be waifu and moe and waifus and moe waaaah! Why are there attractive succubi in my media!
Just keep telling yourself that
>>37085>everything I watch MUST have little succubi and female waifus for me to jack off to, even if the setting is a dystopian cyberpunk horror world
Thats very nice to hear crab, but its not an argument and just makes it look like you belong on r9k.
Answer the question.
>>37087>don't ask a question but tell someone to answer your nonexistent question
Low IQ. Many such cases.
>>37092>examples of mainstream western sci-fi that have nudity and actual sex scenes
Yes of course there are examples of fanservice in western movies, although I will say that is mostly because of there being romance in the movie. Sometimes it is just pure fanservice, and I would harp on them for that as well. The problem I have with Cibo and Zuru is that there is no reason for them to be such a way, they just don't fit in the world being presented to me, nor is there an adequate lore reason for them to be such a way. Cibo herself is a deep scientist who was just stuck for probably thousands of years as a stationary head, why does she walk/look/talk as if she is robot mistress suddenly? Why is Zuru some moeblob in a world where her friends are constantly dying or starving, all the while killer robots hunt them down as they go for food? Why is she even a focal characters anyways? Did she really add any worth to the show? Could they not just have easily replaced her with an adult male or female, which would have been far more accurate anyways? Well, I do actually know why Zuru and Cibo are the way they are, its very obvious when you take into account Nihei's original designs vs his newer ones.
The reason why it bothers me is because its just fanservice nonsense that actually takes away from the world being shown. How am I suppose to get invested in the atmosphere when I'm forced to view Cibo's comically out of place design randomly do her model runway strut in the middle of a scene? How am I suppose to take the harsh and cruel dystopian world seriously when I have Ms Moeblob blushing and acting moe in most scenes she is involved with? Its impossible to be immersed in such an over the top fanservice riddled show.
Its not just the designs, its the way they are presented as well. The close up shots of faces, the blushing, the undressing scenes, the runways, the lighting, the focus on the females; its all so obviously designed to take advantage of the lower human instincts. It ends up coming off as if I am not being sold a world, but rather I'm being sold a product to make money. Of course all anime is a product at the end of the day, but I don't want that to effect the film or ideas themselves. At least I don't want to be constantly reminded of that fact, and lose any possible immersion or atmosphere due to constantly being taken out of the world by a "WOAH CHECK OUT THIS PRETTY LITTLE succubus UNDRESSING!!!!".
I just finished watching odd taxi. This was a pretty good show for the most part, some parts were even masterful, but the ending was very disappointing. It felt rushed and didn't tie up all the loose ends. Been a lot of good shows with shitty endings this season like Vivy and Megalobox S2.
You're a homosexual in denial.
Thats very nice to hear crab, but its not an argument and just makes it look like you belong on r9k.
>>37099>durr not an agugument
Reading comprehend skills on point, stay in school kids.
>>37093>why does she walk/look/talk as if she is robot mistress suddenly?
They made her a sassy badass robobitch, and it was entertaining. She had a nice voice and it made it easier to listen to the loredump. I also thought her voice was a cool contrast with her initial decayed-head appearance.
>At least I don't want to be constantly reminded of that fact, and lose any possible immersion or atmosphere due to constantly being taken out of the world by a "WOAH CHECK OUT THIS PRETTY LITTLE succubus UNDRESSING!!!!".
As I recall, there was literally one scene where the group is taking off their armor stuff and it was completely tame and didn't feel sexualized at all to me. Your third screenshot in >>37077
is literally the most skin that got shown in the entire movie. Are you posting from Saudi Arabia?
I sympathize with the principle of your argument about breaking immersion, but as I've already said, I think you are majorly exaggerating. Anyway, I've said all I want to say about this topic, and we are just going in circles anyway. Maybe another wizzie should watch the movie so we can get a third opinion.
>>37102>didn't feel sexualized at all to me.
How is an undress scene not sexualized? That's literally impossible, unless for some reason there was some massive plot device tied to it, and even then I would say its sexualized anyways. All they did was have a chat, so why the hell is watching the moeblob undress necessary at all? Its just objectively utterly pointless fanservice at the end of the day.
Take for instance GiTS, it has an obviously sexual scene for its opening credits, but it has an actual purpose at the very least. That is to show off the creation of cyborgs and introduce those ideas of mechanical human beings, while also showing what Mokoto is herself (clearly very important for the ideas that the show discusses). Despite the sexualization, its actually a rather immersive scene itself. The design of Motoko is also far more believable in the world set up by the creator, its cyberpunk and its expected that such a world/character would look like that. Even her optic-camo birthday suit makes some sense, at least compared to Cibo looking like a "sassy badass robobitch" for no reason at all. GiTS is a fanservice ladden movie, but I don't find nearly as intrusive as Blame's, because it fits in the world its set in.
>I think you are majorly exaggerating.
Honestly I just think people are just too used to how much fanservice in put into anime, people end up becoming normalized to watching trash and so filter it out without even realizing they are.
Most likely to side with you, imageboard anime viewers are for the vast majority overwhelmingly tied to waifu idealism, so they will excuse it of course. If you browse threads about this movie, you will naturally see endless pictures of Cibo and Zuru, along with the poster's wish that one of them might "sit on their face".
How typical. Anime nigger can't properly elaborate on why he likes his favorite uguu moetrash for ronery otaku crabs. Many such cases!
This, but unironically
what the fuck kind of hairstyle is the first pic anyways
that would look so stupid as a 3d model in the animation i imagine
Its just braids man, the only difference is that its given slight amounts of anime gravity defying properties. Comes off very dystopian and punk to me, which fits the world perfectly.
I watched Bungou Stray Dogs (all 3 seasons + the movie, the OVA, and some of the Wan shorts). Here are my thoughts:
I generally speaking don't like action anime. I also dislike superpowers as a plot device. I prefer comedy served as a side dish; too much comedy will put me off depending on how palatable I find its flavour. For these reasons I expected that I would not enjoy Bungou Stray Dogs and in fact almost passed on it entirely. Just to be sure though, I pessimistically watched the first episode just in case.
I felt hooked at episode 3 and knew I'd be watching the entire thing. The first few episodes were strong. There were interesting characters with tons of promise.
Season 1 has a good balance between comedy and serious scenes. Don't be fooled by the comedy of season 1 though. Like many other anime, they lure you in with a lighthearted beginning to introduce characters and setting, and then the more emotionally tumultuous journey begins. Season 1 spends most of its time fleshing out characters and setting. There is a major shift in tone from season 1 to season 2. There is very little comedy in season 2 and the tone is far darker. The difference was so stark that I double-checked to see if they changed staff. Actually, in general this anime is all over the map in terms of tone. These transitions are usually handled well though, which I think is a sign of good direction.
Here's a summary of my pros and cons.
Positive aspects of the anime:
- Interesting and sometimes well-developed cast of characters.
- Many of the characters are both likable and memorable.
- Complex (yet coherent) and interesting plot that interweaves numerous characters with different motivations, ideologies, backstories, etc.
- Good voice acting.
- Complementary OST with variety.
- Some of the supernatural abilities are kind of cool or at the very least unique.
- Attractive male characters and yaoi ships.
- Funny comedy sometimes (mainly season 1)
Weak aspects of the anime:
- Large cast without adequate development of many characters.
- Arguably poor direction at times. For example: rushed story arcs, inappropriate comedic relief, boring fight scenes, etc.
- Asspull conflict resolution and all the usual issues with super powers ("muh power is arbitrarily better than yours, and then everyone died, the end.").
- Unshakeable feeling of protagonist plot armour, even from early in the series.
- Using the absolutely insufferable 'rich American' character trope for an important character.
I don't particularly like super powers or enjoy fight scenes. Thankfully the fight scenes in this are dialogue-heavy and/or resolved quickly. Someone who naturally gravitates towards the genres of this anime would probably enjoy it more than me.
My overall ratings:
Seasons 1, 2 and 3: 7/10
Dead Apple movie: 5/10
Wan! shorts: dropped after 4 episodes
I actually would recommend the TV anime to a casual viewer because it's a very easily digestible series. Also a pretty solid 'page turner' — I usually watched multiple episodes in one sitting. I'm not surprised to see how commonly well received this anime was. There is pretty much something for everyone in this show; I mean that in the sense that there are many aspects of it that can potentially appeal to people.
Assorted miscellaneous comments:
Okay animation, not great (not an issue for me). Could be considered a negative if you want to see well-animated exciting action scenes. Overall the visuals of this anime are mostly unremarkable. Probably the only noteworthy things are the character designs, which are pretty nice. There are also nice city landscape frames that appear sometimes.
Good OST. Lots of variety yet it still always complements the scene well. The music definitely enhances this anime. Good voice acting too.
The atmosphere in general is rich. It's difficult to describe but the show has a very 'punkish' lawless feeling.
Direction quality varies a lot. On average it's good, but it varies a lot from episode to episode. Sometimes the show is suspenseful, other times it can be somewhat boring or melodramatic.
All three seasons started strong but I found the last few climactic episodes of each to be somewhat underwhelming. This might be due to my distaste for long drawn-out fight scenes. I also never felt like the stakes were particularly high in pretty much all the conflicts, despite the often epic scale of the events taking place. Unfortunately, from early in the series I learned to expect asspull conflict resolution, or at least resolutions without major consequences to the protagonists. The use of super powers in any story permits bad writing in this respect. I will say though that I liked the frequent theme of redemption/atonement in the writing.
Good characters. This is probably the best aspect of this anime. There are many characters in the cast who are unique and interesting, as well as memorable and likable. I think that the characters really carry this show as a whole, and are a major reason for the success of the franchise. I should mention that the characters are (loosely?) based off of various famous authors, so someone who's familiar with Japanese literature might derive more enjoyment from this series. For example, one of the main characters (Osamu Dazai) is based on the author of the well-known novel "No Longer Human."
There are a lot of attractive male characters in this and a ton of potential for yaoi ships and the like. I'll spare the average reader from my elaborating on this point. There are some romantic pairings within the context of the story. It doesn't surprise me that this franchise is popular among Japanese succubi.
I'll also include my comments specific to the Dead Apple movie:
- the plot and the resulting drama felt artificial and forced.
- plot was confusing and messy.
- the characterization/behaviour for some cast members seemed inconsistent with the other anime content.
- any humour felt like audience pandering instead of anything organic (ex. lazily recycling jokes from previous content).
- overall was simply worse than the TV series, both from an artistic and entertainment perspective.
- for anyone wondering, you don't need to watch this movie to understand the story of season 3.
Here are my comments pertaining to the "Bungou Stray Dogs Wan!" 2021 chibi-style shorts (based on the few episodes I watched):
- these are just lighthearted comedy skits.
- the skits are unfunny and boring.
- much of the comedy relies on the character dynamics already established in the prior TV seasons.
- the one nice thing about these shorts is that they do a decent job of showcasing the voice acting of the cast, which as I've said is pretty good.
- I'm not sure what the point of making these was, besides having a poorly veiled advertisement to broadcast on TV to remind people that the franchise exists.
- I dropped these shorts after 4 episodes. I'm not sitting through 12 ~12-minute episodes of unfunny chibi "comedy."
I watched the first season of that and just couldn't get into it, I just didn't know if the series wanted me to take it seriously or if it was a comedy, and I felt like it just didn't work either way.
Very nice animation though.
Finished Ninja Scroll. It was a pretty fun show. How does the older movie compare? The art style for it looked a little nicer.
Actually decided to just watch the movie now and I liked it a lot. The art is very beautiful and the smaller cast means everyone is somewhat more interesting. The tone feels a bit more serious, too.
I didn't even know there was a tv series.>>37251
Watch Wicked City if you liked the artstyle of Ninja Scroll.
I watched Demi-chan wa Kataritai (not including the ONA), also known as Interviews with Monsters succubi. Here are my thoughts:
This is literally just a typical school SoL show but with a (mostly inconsequential) monstergirl gimmick. That's it. The show doesn't excel at much, and it's not particularly unique or creative. It is watchable though, marginally.
Aside from the novelty of "demi-humans," the characters are pretty bland as a whole. Although, the vampire succubus is a good character; she has a playful personality. I enjoyed her presence in the show. However, the rest of the cast is fairly bland. I would say that characterization is one of the weaker aspects of this show, particularly because it is a dialogue-heavy SoL that features interviews of the main characters.
This anime has a significant 'romance' component, moreso than I expected prior to watching. It's a shallow kind of romance though. Truthfully, the show probably deserves a harem genre tag. I guess this isn't surprising considering it's a SoL with a male main character and nearly all-female supporting cast. Most of the story revolves around the main teacher character helping the demi-humans with their personal problems, and in the process learning about their biological characteristics. This story sounds interesting in concept, but in reality the final product is boring and surprisingly generic.
The animation quality is mediocre but sometimes the cinematography is noteworthy. During some moments (not consistently) the character animation is above average. The image frame moves along with actual character movement, which can enhance the sparse moments of fluid animation. A decent job is done for facial expressions as well. The art style of the anime is quite generic and lacking in visual detail. The character designs are similarly generic.
The voice acting is unremarkable, aside from the vampire succubus who does a great job. The OST is also unremarkable.
My overall rating: 4/10
This is just a typical highschool SoL show, but with a demi-human 'schtick' added. As a whole, it feels surprisingly uncreative for the premise. It is mostly boring and generic, and it doesn't excel at anything in particular. It was just barely entertaining enough for me to watch to completion.
I wouldn't recommend this anime to anybody.
A footnote I also want to mention: one of the main characters in this show is literally a succubus, so her character was kinda funny to me because I've spent so much time here.
I watched Yojouhan Shinwa Taikei (including the specials), also known as The Tatami Galaxy. Here are my thoughts:
Once I realized that the MC was a self-pitying young man who was envious of his peers and pining for romantic affection, I knew I was going to have a bad time. Seriously, I can't stand this kind of character. If you find this garbage relatable then you need to take a serious look at what kind of person you are.
The two central characters (MC and Ozu) are pieces of shit, and the story consists of them acting like pieces of shit but with some time-loop stuff thrown in. I pretty much hated everything about the writing in this anime. My enjoyment was significantly impeded by this. Most of the story revolves around the MC being the pathetic worm that he is and treating everyone around him terribly, all the while pining for romantic affection. In addition to this unpleasantly relentless theme, the plot itself often feels repetitive due to the frequent time rewinds. This is because the same events and scenarios are repeated frequently, often with little variation both in terms of the facts of the story as well as the style in which it is told.
Visually, the show is pretty creative. The art style in the backgrounds is unique and stylistic, as well as highly detailed despite the constant scene changes. In general, I enjoyed looking at these creative visuals — they captivated me enough to continue watching the anime despite my grievances.
The style of direction and storytelling is interesting. The first-person narration by the MC is unique, particularly in anime. I think this style of storytelling is more common in American movies. Perhaps this is because it is relatively less common for anime to have conventional novels as source material. My main complaint about this storytelling style is that the narration is almost relentless during each episode. What I mean by that is, there is a near-constant info dump to pay attention to, while also trying to appreciate everything that is happening on-screen. I felt like my attention was often split between the visuals taking place and the narrative audio.
On the subject of audio, the voice acting is not bad. It's difficult for me to gauge the OST because of the literally constant fast-paced narrative dialogue which prevents me from hearing the music clearly. I recall there being some not-bad piano music. OP and ED songs are okay.
My personal overall rating: 4/10
As I already said, I seriously loathed both the characters and the writing in this. Furthermore, although unique, I didn't particularly like the style of storytelling. Additionally, this anime became repetitive very quickly and often felt like a chore to watch. The creative visuals are pretty much the only reason I watched this to completion.
To be fair, I am probably the wrong audience for this anime. This kind of story doesn't click with me at all. Furthermore, the focus is entirely on the MC, who is nearly always on-screen. So, in my case, hating the MC's guts is a major issue.
My intuition might be wrong about this, but I suspect that a lot of the people celebrating this anime must find it relatable in some way. At least the college setting is probably relatable for much of this anime's audience.
I will concede that the 'love doll' story arc was pretty funny. It got some laughs out of me.
Well I was waiting for this review for a while, and I knew you hated it, but I have to ask though; is having the MC be an awful person such a bad thing? Personally I didn't find him to be that awful of a human being, but even if I did I wouldn't say he's bad because of it. If anything wouldn't that be a rather unique characteristic of his for an MC?
>>37406>is having the MC be an awful person such a bad thing?
No, it was just his personality in particular that was like nails on a chalkboard to me. Especially when combined with the relentless monologuing. The self-pitying envious whiny covert-narcissist monologues. Oh lord how it sends a chill up my spine. At times it felt like an anime adaptation of a less-extreme version of My Twisted World.
Maybe I should have made this clearer in my review, which admittedly I worded pretty strongly.
I don't instantly hate immoral characters; it's a personality thing. I mean, Bungou Stray Dogs is filled with immoral characters and I literally praised it for its likable cast. I also think that a good villain can really enhance a story.
I was reading through the MAL reviews today (yes I know, inb4 green arrows), and it's interesting how bimodal the score distribution is. This review (https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=389405
) also laments the unlikable MC – nice to see I'm not entirely crazy lol.
>>37409>Oh lord how it sends a chill up my spine. At times it felt like an anime adaptation of a less-extreme version of My Twisted World.
You are so over the top, actually made me chuckle IRL. I went and rewatched the first 5 episodes fully and I don't even see how you could take such an extreme perception of the MC. Rewatching it honestly only made me remember just how good this show is. Its amazing how well they intertwine each episode with each other, even though it resets time after each episode you still see nods and acceptance of previously shown events. Its also respectful enough to continuously abridge the repeated sections shorter and shorter each time they are shown. Honestly, I actually love the MC as he is far more human than most anime characters are, his inability to see what he has before him and his tendency to blame others for his failures give him a real character. At the same time he isn't just some over the top showpiece for that, he reactions are understandable much of the time because the show always presents events in his own perception of them.
That is all without even talking about the artstyle or how well the themes are executed on. I don't know how you could hate this show, maybe your hatred of the MC was just that strong, but I can't really understand it.
> it's interesting how bimodal the score distribution is.
Yea until you click on the names of the people who rate the show poorly and see their scores for others things. Where they call Tatami Galaxy generic in one breath, and then rate Fate a perfect 10/10 in the other lol. Not saying all of them are complete idiots; but when I see weed backgrounds, fate 10/10, or hailing Welcome to the NHK as a great show despite hating the MC of Tatami Galaxy (completely failing to notice the similarities of the two MC's) I stop caring what they think.
Also I saw few others who hate the MC on MAL, kind of just comes across as the Evangelion Shinji situation; where they attack the character itself, but not attacking if the character was actually well written or makes sense in context of the show. Idk seems like people can't separate themselves from the MC and always self insert instead.
>>37411>his inability to see what he has before him and his tendency to blame others for his failures give him a real character.
Or on the other hand, this is another aspect of his character that is annoying and frustrating to watch, especially when it is drilled into the viewer over and over again throughout 11 repetitive episodes.
>maybe your hatred of the MC was just that strong
it was indeed strong.
>Yea until you click on the names of the people who rate the show poorly and see their scores for others things. Where they call Tatami Galaxy generic in one breath, and then rate Fate a perfect 10/10 in the other lol. Not saying all of them are complete idiots; but when I see weed backgrounds, fate 10/10, or hailing Welcome to the NHK as a great show despite hating the MC of Tatami Galaxy (completely failing to notice the similarities of the two MC's) I stop caring what they think.
I'm guessing I could make the equivalent argument for the people praising it, but in any case this is a silly line of discussion.
Simply put, there were multiple aspects of Tatami Galaxy (including the MC's character) that made it an unpleasant viewing experience for me.
I watched Joshiraku (including the OVA). Here are my thoughts:
Having somewhat recently completed Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu, I thought it would be interesting to watch Joshiraku with the memory of it fresh in my mind. However, I quickly realized that the two shows are completely different. Joshiraku is a comedy and consists of short skits. The main characters are rakugo performers, although rakugo itself is not a major aspect of the anime. The rakugo theater (usually backstage) is only a setting for the various comedic skits (which are usually unrelated to rakugo). So, don't be like me and expect this to be a rakugo-themed show.
This anime is clever and amusing, but not really laugh-out-loud funny. There is a lot of clever wordplay. It often breaks the 4th wall; it is a very 'self-aware' show. Occasionally it felt boring; some skits can feel a little drawn out, and the pacing of the skits is slightly sluggish at times.
I could tell that some of the jokes were too Japanese even for my weeb ass. There were seemingly obscure references to Japanese culture, history, politics, geography, etc…
In terms of audiovisuals, this anime is unremarkable at best. The visuals are adequate, and provide demonstrations of the jokes when necessary. The voice acting is similarly adequate. The OST is unremarkable and fairly inconsequential due to the dialogue-heavy nature of the show.
My personal overall rating: 6/10
Most episodes got some chuckles out of me, but it was never gut-bustingly hilarious or anything like that — just moderately amusing. I enjoyed how clever a lot of the jokes were.
If you like puns, clever wordplay and Japanese cultural references, then this is the comedy anime for you. It is a very Japanese show in that there are frequent references to Japanese culture in some form — anything from politicians to pop culture to kanji readings to traditional folklore. The cultural references have a lot of breadth. Receptiveness to this will likely vary a lot among viewers. A casual anime viewer probably won't be amused by puns about train station names (or something equally culturally esoteric), but a smaller subset of dedicated japanophiles would probably eat this stuff up.
Took me forever to get through Ragnarok the animation.
It's pretty subpar, I wouldn't recommend it.
I loved the manga years ago but never got around to watching the anime.
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6/10 is the median score for anime I complete, so it's not like I hated it or anything.
Also I'm kind of a stick in the mud when it comes to comedy in general, so anything I say about comedy shows should be taken with a grain of salt.