You forgot the most important measure:
-Promote loli as much as possible
It's bonafide norm repellent.
Yeah, fanservice in general is a good measure too.
normalfags love fan service though, easy to digest anime titty physics and pantsu shots are the peak normalfag, not suited to any wizard of high taste
>Is not neccesary to have all these things, but at least one
Couldn't disagree harder. Being candidate for all of the listed categories should be considered the most basic of basics. Otherwise, under this metric, some 14 year old retard could say he's a hardcore anime fan for simply being really really into MHA, and only MHA, or any other shounentrash like Tokyo Revengers. It should be obvious why someone who only watches a single genre, or god forbid only a single anime, should not even remotely be considered an anime fan.
The only metric I personally hold is whether or not someone realizes that all of anime, every single genre and convention, holds value and purpose in and of itself, as it's all interconnected. Not to say they absolutely must watch or even like/love all of them, but the complete and thorough shedding of inherent western dog bias against wide swathes of the medium should well be considered the first true precept. Most never even make it this far, not even this board, and that's truly pathetic.
Because as we all know, 30 year old virgins and fanservice-addled, pantsu-flashing moe anime are never, have never been, and will never be associated with each other.
If someone does not like loli at all they are a normalfag. I knew this man online who would check the age of all the characters even if they looked old enough because he was afraid of being a "pedophile".Normalfags cannot enjoy loli because they are afraid of what society would think.
Don't project yourself, neither your insecurity nor your incapacity to gatekeep, to others.
Also, most probably you don't fit any of the listed criteria in the OP. So your opinion is not relevant neither.
I said it depends. How much he knows about said anime? He knows really everything? Because calling the name of few characters and some fights is knowing next to nothing. I'm talking here about truly being an erudite in that specific anime. Though is truth like even them, probably is not feir to consider someone like that an anime fan yet. What you said is a more genuine form of knowing is someone is anime fan, but one with very high power level. When you're more inexpert you can be into anime, not know all genres very well just for pure ignorance. Yet, is a good measure of the legitime power level, anything below that means that the person still needs to learn some things. But is speacially useful to gatekeep tryhards and cut their influence in people.
>>36825>I'm talking here about truly being an erudite in that specific anime. Though is truth like even them, probably is not feir to consider someone like that an anime fan yet.
That's why it's part of the most basics of basics. To get to that point is not indicative of any wider perspective on anime as a whole (or if it is, it's probably negative.) Anyone can get hyper specifically into a singular work, but that doesn't necessarily make them a fan of the medium. It's like if I were to get heavily into a singular western movie in a specific genre, knowing literally everything to know about it, but vehemently despising or turning my nose up at everything else Hollywood. Nobody in their right mind would claim that makes me a hollywood fan, but anime does not share in this for magical reasons.
However, this at least shows a level of focused commitment that is still necessary and important, as it's indicative of the dedication and autism necessary to transition yourself into being a true fan.
>What you said is a more genuine form of knowing is someone is anime fan
yes>but one with very high power level
Not necessarily. It's all about the attitudes involved of the watcher. Though it's fairly typical of new-age retards to only stay in their chosen genre while screeching about all others despite never watching them (or only giving the most singularly perfunctory viewing before everlasting judgment), the reverse is also true, with fresh off the boat people with no bias or expectations trying everything out with a clear mind and making their own opinions. That doesn't necessarily make them high power level though, since this mindset is achievable from the very getgo. The distinction is only that the former, if he ever deigns to give stuff outside of his direct clear interests a shot, will inevitably whine about the most infantile and stupidest shit, like "moe" artstyle or CGDCT not having a "plot" or sexualization, any number of inane zoomer babble, and then go right back to their corner. The latter likely won't, even if they similarly decide they don't like any of those aspects as well. One way precludes the mere possibility of any objective worth for the vast majority of anime and the other doesn't. If you're in the former camp, dismissively eliminating massive chunks of the medium arbitrarily, then absolutely no matter what you are not a fan in any measure, even if you've watched hundreds of your particular shows.
>-Knowing in deep a lot about an anime, visual novel, light novel, novel, manga or game in particular.
I like this line of thinking, but instead of being 'a' specific anime, VN, LN, etc etc, over the course of a fans journey to the startline, it should be at least one (preferably more) examples from all of them. They all fall under the umbrella of the anime industry and any real fan has dabbled in them all.
Personally speaking I'd like to see:
- Never skipping OP/ED
- Always listening to insert singles, character songs, image songs, OSTs, and so on
- Seiyuu appreciation
but I'm well aware that's asking too much and elitism territory. Except the OP/ED thing I won't budge on that if you skip them honestly just kill yourself.
It has been a long time since I last saw that image
Very well made post. I want to give a proper reply now but honestly is (too) late and I need some sleep. Don't want to speak gibberish. With some sleep can make a better reply tomorrow.
I mentioned the abundant knowledge in a particular work, being quite fond of it to the point of knowing all its points, from bottom to top. Although this obviously varies it usually indicates a broad knowledge, which then extends to the author, and derivative works such as adaptations (or aversion to these, as we not infrequently see happen among true fans of something, who tend to look at their adaptations with disgust for good reason. Though fortunately, this is not always the case, of course). As you rightly mentioned, it's an important requirement because it demonstrates the right level of autism you need to have to then become a fan of the medium in general. But it is true that it is not necessarily going to give way to this, it is the case of the deviations from the good path you mention, of people who cling to a single genre or even worse, a single work, while despising the rest of genres or the medium itself. Some are just indifferent, which can be harmless. But the ideal is to have at least some respect for the rest of the genres, which does not imply that someone necessarily likes all of them, but can understand them. It is also true that there are other requirements that can be given and that could be good indicators for someone to enter the medium, being this other one that appreciates different genres, even if the person is not necessarily into it.
However, you may have noticed that in more recent times the first requirement is increasingly rare. Although for our luck anime is nowadays in a quite healthy state (and I would say that interesting times are coming), strangely still this doesn't coincide with the fandoms, there are less and less knowledgeable people of the first type we are talking about here. While of the second, I would say that there is a good amount, which is not bad. But in a good fandom there should be both types of fans, and it seems to me that the first one is getting scarce. And that's why I've mentioned it here as a special requirement for gatekeeping.
By the way, someone who whines about these sort of inane things you mentioned, is being gatekeeped. Deservedly.
I think you set the bar too low, simply with OP/ED appreciation. The truth is that the medium has perfected the art of making openings and endings more than any other. That someone appreciates them is the least you can ask for. The bar should be set higher for these. That it's not just a superfluous valuation of the music. But a genuine appreciation of the combination of the music with the animation and the conection it with the series. The same applies to soundtracks.
>>36835>I think you set the bar too low, simply with OP/ED appreciation.
You would seriously think so, but the amount of people who skip them on the regular is incredible. Despite the average viewer not watching much at all, they still feel the need to save those precious 3 minutes after giving them a watch once, or maybe twice.
>However, you may have noticed that in more recent times the first requirement is increasingly rare
I'm not so sure of this. If anything, I'd say it's actually becoming slightly more prevalent. In the past, circa 2005 or before, anime was stringently gatekept by the companies bringing them over. If you wanted to watch something, you took what you got on broadcast television or perhaps borrowed/rented VHS/DVD. Fortunately, they tended to bring over a decent spread of genres overall, so nascent anime fans would get a fairly widespread education and be far more accepting of further "weird" anime. With the rise of streaming and simulcast Crunchy bullshit, kids are given an infinite and ever changing variety menu with little to no guide and no reason to select anything but the most familiar, which tends to be dumb shounenshit or narou isekai since they are dumb children after all.
Considering this, I find they tend to fit neatly into that first category of people. They know just about everything there is to know about shounen of all sorts. They're still worthless to talk to despite their technical knowledge though, because that's the only thing they watch and care about. To say they're biased is a ludicrous understatement, not to mention how hostile they are to even the mention of anything else.
>By the way, someone who whines about these sort of inane things you mentioned, is being gatekeeped. Deservedly.
For sure, but what happens when those types begin to considerably outnumber and outpurchase actual fans? KnY is/was a minor phenomena, and JJK's manga sales rose almost 600% because of the anime, which also sold well. Even past shows like SAO or that shitty Slime one sell consistently. Meanwhile, otaku-oriented things of all sorts still subsist on 3k BD sales, if they even reach that. The industry will always follow the money and that's incredibly worrying right now with this terrible idea of global outreach.
Baboon thinks typing out "projection" makes his posts coherent, no one has the heart the tell him the truth. Lacking any rational thought, he makes plans to gatekeep something flooded over with normalfags already, maybe his plan is to keep the normalfags in and everyone else out?>>36827
You mean the image itself or my edit?
I find that knowing the names of at least three or four notable animators, as well as having a mild appreciation for sakuga/sakuga history is a significant step in the right direction. Directors and writers tend to get top billing, and thus they enjoy more visibility; it takes a special brand of autism to hunt down the work of this or that gengaman and rifle through back issues of Animestyle looking for obscure interviews with your favorite creators.
But things like SAO already have several barriers that make those who watch it adapt correctly to the medium. It has its dash of fanservice and moe, while maintaining a central plot that must be paid attention to with themes that sometimes change from volume to volume. Other series you mention are not the typical, which is not a bad sign at least for the more "mainstream" side of the medium.
Obviously like autist that we are, is not our 'field', but is mostly harmless to us. Ours is the 'rare' field (don't mistake the work itself being rare, with it being known by little people, these two things are not necessarily always together). But you probably have that feeling because there has been a certain scarcity of rare things. Though the really otaku stuff and its audience is still there, things like zombie idol are doing pretty well for example. But I think that we're in a transition period that is coming close to an end, in which I think much weirder works will start to appear, and in part because the influence of the medium itself is reaching everywhere and influencing many artists. When that moment come, gatekeeping is going to become sky-high.
Don't really need a list just keep track of the main red flags.
Does the person legitamatly enjoy the thing as it is or are they trying come in and take control of something because it isn't the way they think it should be based on some outside agenda that has nothing to do with the quality or artistic value of the work.
Some passionately complaining about autistic details of a show differing from the source material or the action sequence lacking impact is standard otaku shit and they belong.
Someone passionately complaining about representation or how offensive something like the fat succubus being a joke character is problematic is poser invader SJW shit and they need to be ran out ASAP.
I’ve seen like this too many times so I gotta ask, how the fuck do you intend one gatekeeping anyone from something they can freely access of their own volition. It’s like when people try to gatekeep imageboards, when literally anyone with an internet access can use them to the same extent as any veteran. So please explain how defining any of this will some how push away the undesirables.
The same way any community gatekeeps. Make it unstated policy to treat undesireables like the garbage they are, and eventually they either become not-garbage, or they go away. Besides, this place is so small you could hardly call it a community so it's not like there's going to be anything coming from all this. There's no harm in talk though, so whatever.
I think its really hard to gate keep anime/manga nowadays because there are people (including big names) that actively try to market it to as many normies as possible, and actively fight against gate keeping
Just enjoy what you enjoy and let others enjoy what they enjoy. Suggesting measures for gatekeeping is retarded. Someone who's actually into anime shouldn't learn about specifics of the medium solely for the purpose of gatekeeping.
the only thing youre gatekeeping is yourself, if you know japanese you can go elsewhere and discuss it in japanese
The barrier to entry for a hobby that consists only of sitting and staring at a screen is very low. I'm beginning to feel like anime is a hobby for teenagers and young adults regardless. I'm no longer the target demographic.
sitting and staring at a screen is hard for some people
Whatever, no skin off my balls. Only means I can torrent whatever few new anime series that's actually watchable an hour after it aired on Japanese television. Meanwhile fansubbers focus all of their attention on obscure anime laserdiscs they find off of Japanese auctions and tsunami disaster site scrap heaps
>>36815>Being very invested at least in one fandom.
Drop this normalfaggotry.
I just enjoy anime by myself and am never able to talk about them to other people because whatever they write isn't interesting
You are a normalfag. You consume mass media and get upset when others consume the same media. You are the exact poster child of a consumer who's identity is built around what they consume rather than any personal achievements or family status. You can't gatekeep a commercial product and you have no power over who watches or owns it.>>36816
Fuck off pedos. You're hated every where you go and you always will be.>>36819
Would you consider someone watching all of DBZ, Pokemon or Naruto not to be a hardcore fan? Bit different to watching just Kill la kill.>>36822
But these are the elite weebs. They're going to post CP and scare normalfags away from their anime interest.. As if the most consumed media in the world isn't anime.>>36927
This has always been the case of anime. No one creates things for no one else to interact with. The bigger the market the better.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIaW4JPvP5A>>37630
Fandoms is a succubus's term. OP is a roastie.
You act like 90% of anime are good little consumer whores that buy all of their anime, and totally don't just torrent the ENG translations online as soon as they come out. I see you bumped all the recent threads with angry posts, I'm honestly curious what type of anime/Japanese culture you appreciate.
Most people do get anime legit now. They aren’t buying BDs or anything, but shit like Netflix and god forbid Crunchyroll are “easy” ways for all the normalfags to get anime, and to them it’s easier than torrenting or finding streaming sites.
As an aside, dubs are becoming more popular too because of this.
The only disadvantage to this is Japs trying to appeal more to the American market with 3D animated films and cancerous societal values.
I didnt read the entire thread. I thought it was about how the new generation of kids are growing attached to the dozen insanely popular shonen series and that's somehow a bad thing
who cares if some retarded niggers watch an anime
just talk about it on a non-normalfag board and you'll actually get discussion
look who watches shounen
I agree completely only you need to ditch the "SJW" label, it's an empty dodge term, these people don't care about justice, they're hateful feminists and when they pretend to care about race or diversity they're intersectional feminists.
I will use whatever the fuck terms I want.
It's a lost cause, disney is going to make the next big anime and they're going to hire animators from china and korea but the main writer and art director is going to be some troon or twitter feminist
How do you gatekeep something that's already had it's gates broken, at the very minimum, a decade ago?