No.41735
I'm watching it right now. It's not a bad show but I'm not overly impressed by it either. I think the bar for anime is just very low right now. It looks visually genuinely good (haven't seen any CG so far) and lacks typical unfunny writing tropes, that is enough to make it seem like a masterpiece when compared to most of the trash that gets released now. To say it's the best anime ever made (it has the highest score on MyAnimelist right now) is an overstatement, it still has nothing on something like Evangelion or Akira.
No.41736
>>41735>it has the highest score on MyAnimelist right nowMyAnimeList is authored and used by people who don't watch anime. It's one of the great 13 ironies of the Milky Way Galaxy.
No.41738
>>41736How do you know that?
No.41740
>>41735>Evangelion or Akira.NGE is trash.
No.41747
i feel like anime is starting to hire their own shill farms.
No.41755
>>41740Epic contrarian take that was never posted before. Whatever you think of the series, it's objectively one of the best works in the medium. If it's trash, then that says more about the medium of anime itself than about Evangelion.
No.41757
>>41755>objectivelylol.
The fact that you put it into the same category as Akira, which honestly is world class animation as opposed to anime, is bonkers.
No.41758
>>41755The problem is Sturgeons law is extreme when it comes to anime.
Instead of 90% being crud and 10% being good, only like 1% of anime has an actual plot or good writing.
The rest is fanservice to otaku weeaboos and awkward loners.
No.41759
>>41758>awkward lonersYeah, don't see many of those here on wizchan, no, definitely not.
You can't make a post like this without also giving at least a few examples of stuff you consider good. One or two can be based on personal enjoyment, not asking for only masterpieces.
I don't even necessarily disagree with your overall point. But 99/100 of those who go out of their way to say this have genuinely trash-tier taste.
No.41760
when an anime is being shilled i know it's better not to watch it at least while it's still popular otherwise you will get normies posting spoilers the moment it airs in japan
i also don't like the light color tranny scheme it has going on which makes it seem like those C tier shows from mid 2000s
Elf's just don't look right without shading or higher quality visuals
No.41768
>>41767i just don't like the corporate artstyle
No.41770
>>41735> (haven't seen any CG so far)I have bad news for you, the cg is so good now its in all anime. The high budget ones have it so good that you cant realize it until you have an eye for it or dabbled into 3d animation yourself. Fucking ALL of the shows have it even for main characters often.
No.41771
>>41768what does that even mean? Can you tell me the hallmarks of the "corporate" artstyle?
No.41779
I haven't watched the anime, but I really enjoy the manga. I like the casual adventures, nice art and good pacing.
No.43289
>>41620i liked the anime because it's calm and relaxing, conversations are interesting and the situations are neat.
No.43290
>>43289Might check it out.
A lot of shows I like the most are slower paced adventure shows like Kino's Journey and Mushishi.
No.43294
>>43290more than half the show is them just meeting random people on the road, and reminiscing about old times. I dig it.
No.43299
>>43298>autistic codedNot this LGBT babble again…
No, the author did not design an "autistic coded character". He designed a succubus elf with a reserved personality, hobbies related to her point of expertise that distract her from what goes on around her, and a background of experiences brought about by her decisions. Adult e-autistic males playing the "she's LITERALLY me" card with her is par for the course these days, as was the case with Tomoko, Umaru, Anzu, etc… But don't make shit up about how the non-human Japanese fantasy succubi is somehow designed to represent American mental illness labels.
No.43300
>>43299>autistic coded>Not this LGBT babble again…If you're not trolling please stop being nigger-brained and read about coding/decoding in communications theory and media critique
No.43303
>>43300No I will not read theories about media literacy that exist to comfort weirdos who need to feel "represented"
No.43309
I gave it a 6/10, it's watchable but definitely not a great classic
No.43310
>>43309after hearing the voice actors emotionless edgy voice I believe the manga is better
No.43317
>>43310You can actually make out emotion in the manga?
No.43318
It's the same generic green grass-blue skies Japanese medieval fantasy slop you've seen a million times before with paper thin characters and a paper thin gimmick it doesn't even want to exploit. Frieren is trash. That people make excuses for it like "it's a slow burn" "you don't get it" "it's not for you" is such an indictment of the kind of people who consume that dogshit. I never watched the anime. The manga was bad enough.
No.43319
The only time Frieren and Fern are ever fun or endearing are when they come up as comedy stock figures in porn and normalfag memes. They're like Abbot & Costello for anime fans. Everybody seems to be on the same wavelength about this one.
No.43320
It just feels so profoundly unambitious compared to something like Dungeon Meshi. That's the impression it left on me. It's like comparing Morrowind and Oblivion.
No.43322
I tried reading the manga, but it was like a never ending epilogue, then a never ending prologue. The back story was being explained, it felt like preparation… but for what?! Nothing ever happened, just characters walking around and meeting old friends… for no reason. I don't mean to bash on it, I know some people genuinely enjoy it for the slow, relaxed pace. Actually, I plan on giving it another try… once I turn 80.
>>43320Dungeon Meshi on the other hand, that's the stuff! Fun, interesting, humourous, even educational! And the characters are spot on. It's original and unique without cliche japanese reverse humor, like smol succubus with huge weapon, which you would expect from a "swords and magic" type manga.
No.43331
>>43321I read them both back to back so I can't help comparing them. I have never gone from 100 to -100 faster.
No.43347
>>43345
The author grew up watching her parents play Wizardry. Do you actually know anything about Wizardry?? I don't feel like doing this with someone who's talking out of their ass.
She didn't get into D&D or anything like that until she was halfway through the manga's run looking for new ideas.
No.43349
>>43346
What? Then how the fuck are you this oblivious to DM being the most naked homage to Wizardry?? lmao
No.43350
Elves and hobbits are OK but anything to do with gaming history and its broader influence on Japanese culture is cringe faggot nerd shit. Alright.
No.43355
>>43352
>>43354
I'm not just pointing at the refs and soygaping, dumb fuck. It's about the way the author brought this barebones retro RPG to life. Your mind wasn't running wild ideas when you were spending hours in front of your computer screen looking at wireframe dungeon hallways and managing your faceless party members? Are you actually this creatively barren? That's what I got from DM, I got a glimpse the author's own experiences with the same thing. I can relate to that, it makes it that much more meaningful and personal. It's closer to something like Lodoss than anything else.
No.43358
>>43357
Sigh. Replace Lodoss with "TTRPG playthrough" and you'll get what I really mean.
No.43359
"Playthrough" isn't the exact term I'm looking for. Enlighten me, Mister Anime.
No.43360
>>43359Please. Mr. Anime is my father.
No.43361
I'm so happy I finally found someone willing to fight me about this. Don't worry about me sticking around and shitting up your safe space, I got everything I wanted out of it already. Goodbye.
No.43362
>>43361Don't come to random slow /jp/ boards and act like a nigger.
No.43365
>>43364
Maybe I should? It's so fun to watch snobs get mad about this little.
No.43367
Of course the nastiest thing you can think of calling me is reddit. How clever. I've been waiting for you to call it Reddit Meshi this entire time, actually.
No.43369
>>43368
You're going to give yourself an ulcer if you keep taking yourself this seriously. Lighten up a little for me, okay?
No.43372
This is so reinvigorating. What a bunch of grouches.
No.43373
>>43371Take a few deep breaths and don't forget to drink water!
No.43375
>>41620this anime was really depressing.
No.43378
>>43376Don't make fun of them! they have AWTISUM!
No.43382
>>43381To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Dungeon Meshi
No.43383
>>43382To understand it like I do? Of course.
No.43384
>>43383That's what I just said.
No.43388
>>43376maybe because they are younger teenagers .-.
No.43446
Dungeon Meshi is pretty good but if you go into it expecting more Frieren you'll be disappointed. Relatedly Laios is also autistic coded but (and I don't get why so many people online say otherwise) Marcille is definitely not.
No.43447
>>43382more like dungeon meSHIT
No.43448
>>43446>autistic codedNobody in Dungeon Meshi, or any anime for that matter, is "autistic coded".
No.43449
>>43447Kek gottem dungeon cooking show stans on suicide watch how will they ever recover?
No.43450
I read the manga all the way to the last chapter released, I think the initial run was cool, had a kind of serene, surreal, dream like quality to it, like the story was about the journey of life and the meaning that it comes with, the people you met and stuff, now the couple of last chapter become a political thing about mages vs empire, or something, became "grounded", kind of lost the dream like serenity that it had, same time happend to Attack on Titan when they introduced a fucking whole new modern country, it was cool when is it was this mysterious fantasy setting and we know nothing about the world outside the walls.
No.43451
this anime made me realize im not the target audience anymore
i keep reading comments under it like "Loved this watching it together with my 10 year old on Netflix"
no way in hell some trash that's enjoyed by breeders and on netflix can be any good
No.43452
>>4345110 year olds and people with Netflix subscriptions enjoy The Lord Of The Rings films too. Will you disregard those pieces of media because of it?
No.43457
>>43451Holy shit, what a idiotic reason to not watch some media, lmao, what the fuck that's pathetic, see for yourselve before creating a caricture of opinon based on your hate for somebody.
No.43460
>>43457>creating a caricture of opinon based on your hate for somebody.Avoiding a piece of media because people you hate enjoy it, is nothing adbnormal. I don't watch things popular with blacks and most people I know are the same. It's only nonsense when he generalizes over things like "People who use the most popular movie streaming services in the galaxy like it, so I won't", or "People born after the year 1999 enjoy it, so it must be for ZOOMERS".
No.43500
What truly makes Frieren special is its emotional depth and nuanced character development. The story emphasizes the fleeting nature of human life compared to Frieren’s long existence, making every encounter and relationship feel precious. Characters, even those who appear briefly, are memorable and well-defined, giving the world a lived-in, authentic feel.
No.43501
>>41620One thing about Frieren that doesn't get mentioned enough is just how red pilled the series is. Not only is it one of those animes where it's a clear case of the longstanding Japanese fascination with Europe (Miyazaki is another example of this), but elves in the series are also an obvious metaphor for Europeans themselves.
Elves (literally "white beings") are a metaphor for Europeans, while demons are the ethnic Other and in particular black and brown immigrants. Early on in the series it is revealed that demons wiped out Frieren's elf village and that the Demon King had led a war of extermination against elves in general. This clearly represents the replacement of Europeans. And whereas Frieren found herself the only elf in Graf Granat's Domain, surrounded by humans who are openly welcoming demons into their city, how many Europeans today feel like strangers in countries their own ancestors built.
Frieren's own story is one of growing out of youthful naivety, to one where she understands the importance of extreme prejudice against demons. As someone with embarassingly progressivist views in my youth, I personally found this extremely relatable. And honestly I would say that Frieren helped me to come to terms with my own racism and understand why racism is important. Multiculturalism is like Graf Granat welcoming demons into his city, only to have them ultimately betray him, plot to destroy the magical barrier (a symbol for barriers to mass migration?), and openly seek the destruction of the city. Without Frieren as a series with its highly relatable autistic elf MC, I don't know if I would have realized this myself. But now when I'm on public transit in my city and I realize I'm the only white person around me (in a region that is supposed to be ethnically British), I remember this episode of Frieren and I understand that we too have welcomed demons into the Northern Lands with open arms.
No.43502
>>43501Spot on. I don't have the time right now, but if you remind me later, I'll tell you about how Dungeon Meshi illustrates the secret plot to revive Hitler using artifacts recovered from the Roswell UFO alien crash site. In short, the dragon who ate MC's sister (Hitler) is a metaphor for the Jews, and the main party represents the United Nations.
No.43503
>>43502>>43501racist "people" sucks
No.43507
>>43506please don't be racist, the lord loves you