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I've been having this recurring idea which is a home I want to design around a clepsydra (water clock). A clepsydra is a waterclock used in antiquity to measure time with a volume filling with water at a known rate with something like a buoyant indicator pointing to a watch 'face' which shows where in the day and season you are. It was used up until the 17th century and was accurate to about 1% per year, and could account for the variation in length of day by means of the striped cylinder in the pic attached.
I set some design rules for my imaginary home which I think produce interesting and aesthetic design choices:
>1. No electricity (or minimal)
>2. Minimal moving parts, preferably just one moving part (a helical windmill with gearbox or escapement)
>3. Maximum automation with 'primitive' means
>4. Natural building materials only like clay or cob
>5. Must look cool - I have an aesthetic vision
Basically what I want to make is a large porcelain CPU situated in the middle of the house where water is both the input and output. A large helical windmill will continuously pump water to the top of the waterclock/CPU so that it can continue to function. It would be highly beneficial in my mind if everything could reach a state of homeostasis. That's ultimately what I'm searching for - a home that functions in a manner a body would, but in a way that benefits my body. The home literally becomes an extension of the planet AND myself - linking my needs and the planets will together.
Things I want it to accomplish:
>1. Generation of water by means of atmospheric moisture collection. Total independence of weather. Water generation to exceed evaporation rate
>2. The water can accumulate heat in a separate tank during the day and be pumped at night when the temperature drops.
>3. Saltwater compatible - Using saltwater I could cheat my 'no electricity' rule and perhaps do some electrolysis. Maybe keep saltwater animals/algae.
>4. Have a freshwater aquaculture/aquaponic farm for my (and my plants) nutrient needs. Urea provided by myself and my aquatic friends.
>5. Automatically water my garden at specific date, time, and amount or stop when the water table in a specific plot rises above a certain limit.
>Silly optional feature: Lighting done with bioluminscent algae suspended in saltwater channels routed around ceiling or something.
How:
Hydraulic logic gates - Diodes, NAND gates, amplifiers.
When I think of what I want from this house I want a home where everything can both automatically influence everything else yet have a means to cut itself off from negative feedback loops. This means there are checks and balances in my clepsydra/CPU - has output A exceeded its preset value of 50 litres? Then a 'valve' or channel is shutoff -without moving parts may I remind reader- preserving both my water and plants. To accomplish this I have downloaded a .pdf from the US government in the 1950s which discusses hydraulic logic gates. I have pretty solid designs for water powered NAND gates and anything else you might imagine. In fact soviets had entire industries running off of hydraulic/pressurised air logic and they published all their research - the only problem is a lot of USSR research involves high pressure and I would like mine to operate at ambient pressure and temperature.
This is where I believe my single moving part - the helical windmill - comes into play. My windmill will maintain a constant 'voltage' by topping up the reservoir tank (capacitor) keeping my water clock accurate. I think resistance can be offered up by tanks having a capacity of say 100L and then having a hole which drains it at that level, and should the 'current' (water flow) exceed that then there can be more holes/cuts in the tank to empty more water.
Why:
Why do I want to automate in this manner? I just think its neat. Every night I go to sleep thinking how my house in the middle of the Australian outback or Saharan desert could look like. A tiny self perpetuating oasis sucking moisture from the air and feeding me with fish from my underground aquaponics tank or something. Totally in touch with the planet, not poisoning the soil microbiome with nitrates or anything.
Where:
I want to try it in a desert with low humidity in the air as a total proof of concept that this can be used anywhere and make habitable the worst environments. Also open to not doing this in a desert as the humidity levels could cause too many issues. If you can't see it in a desert what about somewhere else??????????
Problems:
Energy storage - when the wind ain't blowing WTF do I do? How can I keep the clepsydra tank flowing? Perhaps a spring and escapement mechanism to store energy to keep that water flowing?
There is the MAJOR problem that water has different levels of viscosity influenced by temperature. In the case of water, the viscosity varies by a factor of about SEVEN between 0C and 100C. So a water clock operating at 10C will give a reading wildly different from a clock operating at 30C. Do I store the water below ground and try to keep the temperature at some constant?
I literally don't have any programming experience - how could I ever design a CPU with a novel concept to function in a manner that my life depends on?
Algae/biotic films growing inside my CPU causing issues - should I fill it with small crustaceans or snails or something to keep the heartbrain of my home healthy and clear of sclerosis?
The moisture content of most deserts is between 0-10% all the time. This drastically inhibits ability to pull moisture from air unless I use a a battery of say 100x peltier coolers powered by a single windmill to generate ice and drop it into a reservoir.
There is also the problem of some plants/soils releasing far too much moisture to the atmosphere. Building a greenhouse to trap moisture is a deadly mistake I think.
An oasis is not just an oasis for a human, many pests will seek it out and I am personally opposed to unnatural herbicides. How will I manage pests? Is there an opportunity here to fold gardens in around my aquaponics setup so they eat the invading bugs etc etc.
Please be as critical as possible I want to iron out any problems in my mental architecture before I move forward with model designs. I literally don't know WTF I'm doing, I DON'T understand electricity or logic gates etc - I DON'T have experience with this. I just want a self contained home that meets all the needs of a human in a desert and perhaps provides some small comforts as well.
I set some design rules for my imaginary home which I think produce interesting and aesthetic design choices:
>1. No electricity (or minimal)
>2. Minimal moving parts, preferably just one moving part (a helical windmill with gearbox or escapement)
>3. Maximum automation with 'primitive' means
>4. Natural building materials only like clay or cob
>5. Must look cool - I have an aesthetic vision
Basically what I want to make is a large porcelain CPU situated in the middle of the house where water is both the input and output. A large helical windmill will continuously pump water to the top of the waterclock/CPU so that it can continue to function. It would be highly beneficial in my mind if everything could reach a state of homeostasis. That's ultimately what I'm searching for - a home that functions in a manner a body would, but in a way that benefits my body. The home literally becomes an extension of the planet AND myself - linking my needs and the planets will together.
Things I want it to accomplish:
>1. Generation of water by means of atmospheric moisture collection. Total independence of weather. Water generation to exceed evaporation rate
>2. The water can accumulate heat in a separate tank during the day and be pumped at night when the temperature drops.
>3. Saltwater compatible - Using saltwater I could cheat my 'no electricity' rule and perhaps do some electrolysis. Maybe keep saltwater animals/algae.
>4. Have a freshwater aquaculture/aquaponic farm for my (and my plants) nutrient needs. Urea provided by myself and my aquatic friends.
>5. Automatically water my garden at specific date, time, and amount or stop when the water table in a specific plot rises above a certain limit.
>Silly optional feature: Lighting done with bioluminscent algae suspended in saltwater channels routed around ceiling or something.
How:
Hydraulic logic gates - Diodes, NAND gates, amplifiers.
When I think of what I want from this house I want a home where everything can both automatically influence everything else yet have a means to cut itself off from negative feedback loops. This means there are checks and balances in my clepsydra/CPU - has output A exceeded its preset value of 50 litres? Then a 'valve' or channel is shutoff -without moving parts may I remind reader- preserving both my water and plants. To accomplish this I have downloaded a .pdf from the US government in the 1950s which discusses hydraulic logic gates. I have pretty solid designs for water powered NAND gates and anything else you might imagine. In fact soviets had entire industries running off of hydraulic/pressurised air logic and they published all their research - the only problem is a lot of USSR research involves high pressure and I would like mine to operate at ambient pressure and temperature.
This is where I believe my single moving part - the helical windmill - comes into play. My windmill will maintain a constant 'voltage' by topping up the reservoir tank (capacitor) keeping my water clock accurate. I think resistance can be offered up by tanks having a capacity of say 100L and then having a hole which drains it at that level, and should the 'current' (water flow) exceed that then there can be more holes/cuts in the tank to empty more water.
Why:
Why do I want to automate in this manner? I just think its neat. Every night I go to sleep thinking how my house in the middle of the Australian outback or Saharan desert could look like. A tiny self perpetuating oasis sucking moisture from the air and feeding me with fish from my underground aquaponics tank or something. Totally in touch with the planet, not poisoning the soil microbiome with nitrates or anything.
Where:
I want to try it in a desert with low humidity in the air as a total proof of concept that this can be used anywhere and make habitable the worst environments. Also open to not doing this in a desert as the humidity levels could cause too many issues. If you can't see it in a desert what about somewhere else??????????
Problems:
Energy storage - when the wind ain't blowing WTF do I do? How can I keep the clepsydra tank flowing? Perhaps a spring and escapement mechanism to store energy to keep that water flowing?
There is the MAJOR problem that water has different levels of viscosity influenced by temperature. In the case of water, the viscosity varies by a factor of about SEVEN between 0C and 100C. So a water clock operating at 10C will give a reading wildly different from a clock operating at 30C. Do I store the water below ground and try to keep the temperature at some constant?
I literally don't have any programming experience - how could I ever design a CPU with a novel concept to function in a manner that my life depends on?
Algae/biotic films growing inside my CPU causing issues - should I fill it with small crustaceans or snails or something to keep the heartbrain of my home healthy and clear of sclerosis?
The moisture content of most deserts is between 0-10% all the time. This drastically inhibits ability to pull moisture from air unless I use a a battery of say 100x peltier coolers powered by a single windmill to generate ice and drop it into a reservoir.
There is also the problem of some plants/soils releasing far too much moisture to the atmosphere. Building a greenhouse to trap moisture is a deadly mistake I think.
An oasis is not just an oasis for a human, many pests will seek it out and I am personally opposed to unnatural herbicides. How will I manage pests? Is there an opportunity here to fold gardens in around my aquaponics setup so they eat the invading bugs etc etc.
Please be as critical as possible I want to iron out any problems in my mental architecture before I move forward with model designs. I literally don't know WTF I'm doing, I DON'T understand electricity or logic gates etc - I DON'T have experience with this. I just want a self contained home that meets all the needs of a human in a desert and perhaps provides some small comforts as well.
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helical windmill design
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>>304634
Anon, we both know you're never going to do this, if its even feasible.
Anon, we both know you're never going to do this, if its even feasible.
maybe i should make a 555 timer with a waterclock and move on from there
kind regards, novice
kind regards, novice
This is so interesting. I would really like to see this move forward.
For energy you could do what life does: harness the energy of the sun. You can have the used water go into a tank that's exposed to the sun, let it evaporate up some bell-shaped surface and find it's way back to the input tank. Maybe you can even use evaporation to achieve homeostasis, just like plants (and humans!) do.
As for the moving parts, surely you wouldn't use clay for that. You would need wood, which would require at least some maintenance.
For energy you could do what life does: harness the energy of the sun. You can have the used water go into a tank that's exposed to the sun, let it evaporate up some bell-shaped surface and find it's way back to the input tank. Maybe you can even use evaporation to achieve homeostasis, just like plants (and humans!) do.
As for the moving parts, surely you wouldn't use clay for that. You would need wood, which would require at least some maintenance.
Wishing you the energy to complete it
I've had many ideas about significanlty modifying my living space with machines
And having a living time machine in water dynamics sounds like a good thing
i hope you can do it op
I've had many ideas about significanlty modifying my living space with machines
And having a living time machine in water dynamics sounds like a good thing
i hope you can do it op
there is a big water clock in a shopping center in berlin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8hoEnK14A
have not read the OP yet but i will
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8hoEnK14A
have not read the OP yet but i will
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>>304634
>Energy storage - when the wind ain't blowing WTF do I do? How can I keep the clepsydra tank flowing? Perhaps a spring and escapement mechanism to store energy to keep that water flowing?
Some watermills use a mill pond to account for variable river levels, so pumping water into a reservoir using wind power could be used as an energy store (there are similar ideas for storing solar energy collected during the day without batteries)
Instead of imagining various mechanisms for redundancy, imagine the pond as the sole source of power for the rest of the power train through the home. Dividing the design this way means the pond can be filled any number of ways without changing anything else
>I literally don't have any programming experience - how could I ever design a CPU with a novel concept to function in a manner that my life depends on?
Unless you particularly need a digital processor (e.g. for ease of reprogramming) an analog computer may be more appropriate. Say you have 4 tanks of water and want to perform an action when the overall volume reaches a particular point. That could be implemented as a program that polls the level of water in each tank, sums their values, and conditionally branches to the action; but this could also be implemented as a series of 4 floats connected by an accumulator linkage
>Algae/biotic films growing inside my CPU causing issues - should I fill it with small crustaceans or snails or something to keep the heartbrain of my home healthy and clear of sclerosis?
In hydroponics they stop algae growth simply by the flow of water and blocking uv, but you could use copper pipes for their antimicrobial properties
Fun thread, I also like the idea of growing a home from a seed
>Energy storage - when the wind ain't blowing WTF do I do? How can I keep the clepsydra tank flowing? Perhaps a spring and escapement mechanism to store energy to keep that water flowing?
Some watermills use a mill pond to account for variable river levels, so pumping water into a reservoir using wind power could be used as an energy store (there are similar ideas for storing solar energy collected during the day without batteries)
Instead of imagining various mechanisms for redundancy, imagine the pond as the sole source of power for the rest of the power train through the home. Dividing the design this way means the pond can be filled any number of ways without changing anything else
>I literally don't have any programming experience - how could I ever design a CPU with a novel concept to function in a manner that my life depends on?
Unless you particularly need a digital processor (e.g. for ease of reprogramming) an analog computer may be more appropriate. Say you have 4 tanks of water and want to perform an action when the overall volume reaches a particular point. That could be implemented as a program that polls the level of water in each tank, sums their values, and conditionally branches to the action; but this could also be implemented as a series of 4 floats connected by an accumulator linkage
>Algae/biotic films growing inside my CPU causing issues - should I fill it with small crustaceans or snails or something to keep the heartbrain of my home healthy and clear of sclerosis?
In hydroponics they stop algae growth simply by the flow of water and blocking uv, but you could use copper pipes for their antimicrobial properties
Fun thread, I also like the idea of growing a home from a seed
what a lovely op, i have not read something so fine on an imageboard in a long time.
i always liked the idea of collecting rain water and route it through my living room with clear plastic pipes as to always see the rain even when i am inside.
you would probably enjoy looking at the what the 'earthship' people have come up with. they use rammed earth tires (old car tires where soil is hammered into. hammered as to compact it as much as possible.) as the walls for their houses as this stores temperature during the day when the sun shines on it and gives it off during the night as to maintain somewhat constant temperatures as i understand it.
other interesting concepts they have encorporated:
>collecting water from rain
>using the same water 4 times: drinking->dish and shower water -> toilet flushing water -> water for plants
>they have plants specifically to eat the poop from underground so the poop doesn't stink everything up
>electricity from solar
>greenhouses with banana trees and fish farms as different climate zones to insulate against heat or cold
windows out the roof so the house can be cooled effectively by opening different windows
there was a nice vice documentary about it but i can't find it anymore, this one seems like a nice one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgUkjbMhF18
also there is a youtuber who has built a lot of little machines from big gears made out of wood who made tutorials about everything he did and he sells precise, easy to follow plans of his machines for cheap online. maybe those would be nice for you to take a look at. his old url is woodgears.ca and you can find him with the name Mathias Wandel on youtube.
i always liked the idea of collecting rain water and route it through my living room with clear plastic pipes as to always see the rain even when i am inside.
you would probably enjoy looking at the what the 'earthship' people have come up with. they use rammed earth tires (old car tires where soil is hammered into. hammered as to compact it as much as possible.) as the walls for their houses as this stores temperature during the day when the sun shines on it and gives it off during the night as to maintain somewhat constant temperatures as i understand it.
other interesting concepts they have encorporated:
>collecting water from rain
>using the same water 4 times: drinking->dish and shower water -> toilet flushing water -> water for plants
>they have plants specifically to eat the poop from underground so the poop doesn't stink everything up
>electricity from solar
>greenhouses with banana trees and fish farms as different climate zones to insulate against heat or cold
windows out the roof so the house can be cooled effectively by opening different windows
there was a nice vice documentary about it but i can't find it anymore, this one seems like a nice one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgUkjbMhF18
also there is a youtuber who has built a lot of little machines from big gears made out of wood who made tutorials about everything he did and he sells precise, easy to follow plans of his machines for cheap online. maybe those would be nice for you to take a look at. his old url is woodgears.ca and you can find him with the name Mathias Wandel on youtube.
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first test of a basic water clock
>>304755
any thoughts on what liquid you think would be suitable? if you used tap water it would evaporate and leave calcification, frequently dirtying your clock. maybe distilled water with some kind of color in. unless the system is closes so that water can't evaporate so in that case it might not even matter.
any thoughts on what liquid you think would be suitable? if you used tap water it would evaporate and leave calcification, frequently dirtying your clock. maybe distilled water with some kind of color in. unless the system is closes so that water can't evaporate so in that case it might not even matter.
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liquid falling thru geometry, low resolution fluid, artifacts and rage
tips?
tips?
>>304847
the tube is too big. to create a siphon, the water needs to fully fill the tube around the bend
you can either decrease tube or increase the rate at which water is introduced
the tube is too big. to create a siphon, the water needs to fully fill the tube around the bend
you can either decrease tube or increase the rate at which water is introduced
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>>304849
i lowered the resolution of the fluid to make it solve faster
The problem is iteration speed. I can render high quality water which will flow up the pipe and down siphon no problem, however it will take a really long time as its all done on my CPU. What I want to do is set a trigger so the faucet turns off and I can see the siphon work for once - but I need to know when to set it.
So annoying. I'm almost certain there are virtually 'real time' solvers/approximators for this kind of thing and I'm stuck 10 minutes on each render.
i lowered the resolution of the fluid to make it solve faster
The problem is iteration speed. I can render high quality water which will flow up the pipe and down siphon no problem, however it will take a really long time as its all done on my CPU. What I want to do is set a trigger so the faucet turns off and I can see the siphon work for once - but I need to know when to set it.
So annoying. I'm almost certain there are virtually 'real time' solvers/approximators for this kind of thing and I'm stuck 10 minutes on each render.
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fugg this i'm going to bed
>>304852
have you been to the construction store and looked at all the pipes they sell? i imagine it to be much for fun and rewarding to tinker irl instead on digial models.
have you been to the construction store and looked at all the pipes they sell? i imagine it to be much for fun and rewarding to tinker irl instead on digial models.
>>304855
I just discovered flip fluids, which works inside of blender.
https://github.com/rlguy/Blender-FLIP-Fluids
I just discovered flip fluids, which works inside of blender.
https://github.com/rlguy/Blender-FLIP-Fluids
>>304856
I just railized that siphons work mostly because of air pressure. I doubt blender will model this. Accurate fluid simulation is also really slow. It'll be easier to buy a bucket and a hose from the hardware store.
I just railized that siphons work mostly because of air pressure. I doubt blender will model this. Accurate fluid simulation is also really slow. It'll be easier to buy a bucket and a hose from the hardware store.
>>304852
Blender Fluidsim is for cum simulations only!!! Not a single fluid dynamicist worked on it.
Blender Fluidsim is for cum simulations only!!! Not a single fluid dynamicist worked on it.
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downloading CFD software called openfoam
blender can s my d
blender can s my d
>>304634
wind is not constant, here are times when there will be no wind. so you must account for this in the design of your water computer, intermittent power loss basically
wind is not constant, here are times when there will be no wind. so you must account for this in the design of your water computer, intermittent power loss basically
>>304860
>It'll be easier to buy a bucket and a hose from the hardware store.
i have the suspicion (and i hope i am wrong) that op means his home in virtual reality…
>It'll be easier to buy a bucket and a hose from the hardware store.
i have the suspicion (and i hope i am wrong) that op means his home in virtual reality…
I don't get it, what is it computing other than the time? What is it regulating other than water output to your plants? Why use a helical windmill rather than just tap a stream? What happens if the wind doesn't blow hard enough?
>>304920
>What happens if the wind doesn't blow hard enough?
then you pay 0,99$ per hour to mark zuckerberg and then he makes the wind blow in the metaverse 🤮
>What happens if the wind doesn't blow hard enough?
then you pay 0,99$ per hour to mark zuckerberg and then he makes the wind blow in the metaverse 🤮
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this shid fuggin ez
t. tutorial follower
t. tutorial follower
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>>304971
ohhh yea, its all comin together
ohhh yea, its all comin together
if you need money for your project, just offer the following service in germany and you are a rich man:
you upgrade toilets so that everything you flush down the toilet travels through clear see-through tubes that run all over the house so that when you take a shit, the shit is visible from every room because the tubes were laid through every room. basically infinite money glitch.
you upgrade toilets so that everything you flush down the toilet travels through clear see-through tubes that run all over the house so that when you take a shit, the shit is visible from every room because the tubes were laid through every room. basically infinite money glitch.
>>304986
Please don't denigrate the German people. The 'Germans love shit' is a Jewish projection onto the Aryan people. I hate jews and I hate you.
Please don't denigrate the German people. The 'Germans love shit' is a Jewish projection onto the Aryan people. I hate jews and I hate you.
>>304634
>which is a home I want to design around a clepsydra
>want to design around
>design around
i guess i didn't read carefully enough. i thought op wanted to actually build this, however this seems be just a videogame for him. so disappointing, i was sitting here with popcorn waiting for cool stuff to happen.
>which is a home I want to design around a clepsydra
>want to design around
>design around
i guess i didn't read carefully enough. i thought op wanted to actually build this, however this seems be just a videogame for him. so disappointing, i was sitting here with popcorn waiting for cool stuff to happen.
>>305342
germans are also in denial about everything that would make them seem like out of touch retards.
imagine a dog who likes to sniff everyone's ass and then pretends he doesn't sniff asses.
germans are also in denial about everything that would make them seem like out of touch retards.
imagine a dog who likes to sniff everyone's ass and then pretends he doesn't sniff asses.
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op what happened with the waterclock home, don't tell me zuckerberg now pays you to be a waterclock architect in the metaverse, i don't care about the metaverse, nothing that facebook does could ever interest me.