/dep/ - Depression

The unfit and the unneeded

die of self-neglect

waiting for the last trench.

>>289041
I was thinking recently of something similar to this. I find it terrible what industrial society has done to the idea of homesteading/simple living. you cant be a peasant man who lives off his land because the land has been bought up for factories and homes and what farms there are are industrialized mass production facilities that only need a handful of men to operate. thanks to civilization one cant just live for himself anymore. there is no direct connection to the toil of man and the food on his plate, so to say. industrial society has created a way to eliminate most of the agricultural workforce, thus creating a surplus population whos only option for work is to feed themselves into the machine.
we are born trapped, enslaved even. there is no option to walk away from society to homestead. the land is already bought up, destined for more housing units for the machine slaves. what available wilderness there is is far out into the frontier, and it'll take one a lifetime of grinding within the machine to even get the funds, tools, and wisdom needed to live out there.

Society has forced upon us the system of the machine, and to make sure we comply to it society has seen fit to destroy all other options of living. It does not care about the excess labor pool its created, left to the wayside, the abyss. The machine must be fed, the unfit and unneeded are just the scraps that dribble out of the maw. Ted was always right

>>289336
It's really all about money and the financial system. Do you think the finance elites give a fuck about any of this? No, they will keep on perfecting their methods to make more money. And who can blame them? When we are born there is no universal law to be GOOD, to be a good person, to help others. No, we are born by chance and we die alone. Nobody really gives a fuck and you can't blame 'em.

yeah the USA was settled mostly by slaves, sure you can call them indentured servants, free men were a minority. just like australia, USA was colonized by convicts. not real ones though, in either case. sure there may have been some, but the vast majority of 'convicts' that were sent to settle the USA and australia, were people that were forced from the countryside into the cities as a result of a radical shift in the way society functions. there wasn't enough work, people were forced to steal, it was literally impossible for great masses of people to survive without theft, most of them landed in gaols which were built to purpose, to deal with this new influx of non-criminal criminal class, they were often given the choice for something such as stealing some food, to have a hand cut off, or go settle another place. they forced people in this way, knowing it wasn't their fault and knowing that the system was totally broken.

>>289342
like this guy said. if you are a good person this world will eat you alive. i believe that there are good people, some, but most are the children of some other demiurge or maleficent creator entity who is a few ladders down on the totem pole from the actual all-source God.

it's an evil world and good people will be punished, and evil people will do really well. you can reduce most things to this and it works perfectly, the more evil you are the more this society rewards you with all the trappings of success. try to be an honest, hard working person, that doesn't undermine others, does right by other people, you will get nowhere, not only because that doesnt serve you but it doesnt serve your evil allies that would assist you in return for being complicit in the way they live in the world.

the guy in the photo looks like bukowski as well. if you haven't listened to his poetry some of it is quite nice. watch some interview on bukowski even and his young wife he was a real character.

>>289383
I read a book on Michigan's early history and it's like you said, almost all the settlers were some sort of petty economic criminals.
Shoplifters, thieves etc. who stole for sustenance once legal work opportunities simply weren't there anymore.

Within a generation of settling, most had farms, businesses, some became business magnates. All these people who were just convicted penniless shoplifters in Europe with a huge drive to advance in life and stay alive.

It goes against right wing theories of morals and behavior being inherited. People, even very bright ones, will descend into base crime if you take away any and all opportunity to thrive. America acted as a magnet to draw some of the most brilliant minds out of Europe.
It was the biggest brain drain in history that still has ripple effects to 2024,, all caused by old world countries being unable to provide opportunities for brilliant minds not born into money or nobility.

>>289410
>>289410
thanks. i've tried to enlighten other people in the past with these facts and they never address historical fact, they try and argue and say i'm wrong when i've researched the matter in depth and they only have their nothing-opinion.

>It goes against right wing theories of morals and behavior being inherited. People, even very bright ones, will descend into base crime if you take away any and all opportunity to thrive. America acted as a magnet to draw some of the most brilliant minds out of Europe.
It was the biggest brain drain in history that still has ripple effects to 2024,, all caused by old world countries being unable to provide opportunities for brilliant minds not born into money or nobility.

this is a very good point, i've made it many times. people like to talk about genes, but in the end environment is everything. there are no genes that can stop you from needing water, or air, or food, or will make you impervious to war and plague. there is only luck.

luck goes against the very heart of philosophy behind capitalism, the myth of the meritocracy. there is no meritocracy, it's a lie to justify the status quo, the same as the system set up a dishonest situation and made people into criminals who were only ordinary people with no other way to survive at all, literally, than to steal food to eat.

people love to think they're responsible for their own successes and ignore everything outside of their own actions that made it possible, and they love to do the reverse when looking at other people, attributing any success to external circumstances only, or luck. the latter is the way it is, and that's why people think that way with respect to others, but not themselves.

see just-world fallacy and the self-serving bias.

>>289420
Good post

>>289420
I agree, and I'm extremely objective in assessing life situations & have no problem admitting my current prosperity is 99,9% down to luck, not me being an excellent person or smart.

If I was born into any family but my current one I'd be a homeless drug addict or dead. They pumped so much cash into me it was basically impossible to fail even if I literally rotted inside binging TV series and never working. Which describes my 20s pretty well.

It's all luck. There are plenty of people with 1000x my work ethic who still become homeless or are poorer than me. There is no justice, meritocracy or logic to the human world. It's not even a survival of the fittest. Just the luckiest.

The People of the Abyss
https://archive.org/details/peopleofabyss00londiala/page/n10/mode/1up

>>290655
what book is that?

Damn, I ignored this thread for over a month but who knew it was actually the one thread filled with good content all this time…

>>290656
Suicide by Henry Romilly Fedden
Written because suicide became a greater concern in his time. The loss of supports which made way for it doesn't seem to have been properly accounted for yet.
>>287308

"And I want the day of judgment."

>>290725
>The old man leaned upon his spade
You cant call black people that anymore

>>290728
I helped unravel my own thread

Jack London as the East Londoners saw him in 1902

The city of degradation

The golden rule

"The papers boastfully proclaim that there is nothing the matter with the East End as a living place." For everyone fares as well as the next person, or is in his place and should be glad.