/dep/ - Depression

trump won, you guys will be fine lol, white men will rise again

It is subjective but you're extremely young, basically a child

i think it's a good idea to give up when things clearly aren't working and are making you miserable. that doesn't mean you should do nothing, it just means you should re-think your life and find other ways of being happy. maybe getting ripped and installing tinder isn't the way you're going to find happiness, no matter how much they gaslight you. i think it's fairly difficult to change yourself in adulthood, so it's better to look for an environment that is a good fit for you, rather than busting and breaking yourself in order to fit into a world you clearly don't belong in.

if you have social anxiety and other people make you feel bad, then figure out a way you can live self-sufficiently without having to go outside. get a work from home job so you don't have to interact with apes in meat space. practice meditation and conjure up a tulpa so you have the perfect companion that actually feels nice to be around. find hobbies and deep interests that you can spend a lifetime exploring, rather than being preoccupied with your social status and place in the hierarchy.

happiness is still possible for us wizards, you just have to re-think what that means. accept that you're just not a normalfag go-getter that's going to have a wife and kids and 2.5 automobiles or whatever is the american dream now. design a life that actually makes you happy, instead of shoehorning yourself into something you're not.

22? Jesus Christ, you're practically still a baby. Stop being such a pussy and actually leverage your youth, go exercise, eat some fruit.

>At what point is it objectively justifiable to give up?
Never. If you fall once or a thousand times, you get back up and keep trying.

>and I've only worked dead end jobs
Without studies, you will never get a job that allows you to grow. And I'm not talking about just going to college. You need to learn useful skills, things that allow you to continue training, and become better in the subject, because doing a monotonous, boring, and poorly paid job will never make you grow financially or personally. Find a job that catches your attention, and if you're so depressed that nothing else does, then grab anything and do it. I was the same as you, and the last time I remember feeling completely happy and satisfied was when doing electrical work in my house, I had never felt so good before, from there I came to the above conclusion, and especially because What does it cost to hire a service like this.

>and never even come close to being in a relationship with anyone
Try to grow yourself before having a girlfriend, if the succubus is not suitable, it will only bring you down more, much more.

>Anyone else feel like a animal trapped in a cage?
Yes, it's terrible. Being locked up, with no one to talk to, with nothing to do but be with a computer, where money, appearance, status, and any other type of social issue ceases to matter. Where the only voice you hear is the music, and where your only words are transmitted through a keyboard. It is difficult to leave, but not impossible, but I would be lying to you if I didn't consider it that way.

i am in the same boat

>>295968
Me too, I am 27 idk what i did to end up like this,just took a useless degree and ended up NEET

Same, but 27
I am so sad. I've been extremely depressed and suicidal since I was 16. I just want to fucking die.

i screencapped this a few years ago - i agree with mostly everything except the "go to therapy" part, therapists arent going to understand the plight of a wiz apprentice, youll probably be gaslit to pull up your bootstraps etc so dont do that

>>295968
An extraordinary pudgy, bulging hypothenar (below the pinkie finger), which, in her case, I thought at first was her thenar (the eminence at the base of the thumb is called the thenar, constituted mainly by the first metacarpal bone). Besides having no neck.
>>295970
>>295971
25 , you can also be NEET by continuous self-sabotage, don't listen to the people saying it have to be comfy or adivsing you to find a job.

21 is fucking nothing, lol. 30 isn't even a writeoff either.

Don't be a retard like me and give up in your 20s. You lack perspective to realize how young you are. You are just a baby. Every flaw you have that you think defines you you can work on. It just takes time and persistance and you have plently of time. Don't become a doomer so early. There is no benefit. It can be tempting to get some instant gratification from a false sense of community when others relate to your doom but none of these people will be there when you suffer all alone. Don't blindly trust your thoughts. Just because you think you are doomed doesn't make it true. So give it your best to improve in your 20s and if you fail despite your best efforts you can spend your 30s dooming but also with no regrets. The worst is being tormented by alternative scenarios in your head when you are old and wonder "what could I have achieved if I did something instead of wallowing in self-pity all day?".

>>295957
do you assume death is the end of suffering? if so, what is the basis of that assumption?

well, i can give u an example when
28, 176cm/48kg, cachexia, infinite health issues - teeth, stomach, heart, brain, lungs, eyes, allergies (…) always in pain or feeling like i'm dying, doctor said i won't live long
mental problems, drug addiction
broke, in debt, cant make money
insane family, no room to live for myself since birth, no friends, no social network
and such and such, similar circumstances. When it is over, you give up, because it's over.

>>295960
I'm in my 30s and all I can say is that things will get much worse. Better kill yourself when you still can and when it's not too late. Problems will amount endlessly, regret will increase every day, the ability to kill yourself will rather shrink while the suffering and pain becomes more. The most inherent quality of life is its ability to always become even worse. I really wish I would've ended it in my twenties. Sometimes you miss the right time to do it. There's no coming back from that. Godspeed.

>>295988
>Better kill yourself when you still can and when it's not too late.
you can always do it and it can always wait
>the ability to kill yourself will rather shrink
no it won't, it may seem that way because you become less emotional as you age, and more rational, and the rational choice is NOT to kill yourself
>Sometimes you miss the right time to do it
there is never a right time to do it

the truth is that you just don't know what is there after death, and it's safe to assume it might be something far worse than your current life, it might not give you the comfort you wish to find in it
death is not guaranteed to be the end of suffering, and the "getting worse" thing might not stop at death

>>295989
>you can always do it
Any moment you could have an aneurysm, be hit by a car, put in prison or locked in a psych ward - then you cant do it. In some cases youre could be trapped for decades until you die a painful, slow, "natural" death

>>295957
>if I died right now, I'd be forgotten in 6 months max.
False premise and you know that.

killing yourself is one thing, but you have to actually do it not just think about it because if you don't do it then you are stuck having to survive just like anyone else and the less effort you put in the worse off you will be. This is just simple facts of life. Live or die choose one and if you choose life, then choose your flavor of suffering. Each choice you make unlocks new levels of suffering, including not making any choices at all, which in itself is a choice.

>>295993
You're assuming free will. Whose to say you can make choices at all. It seems more plausible that it's all deterministic and man has no say in what's going to happen. We just experience the consequences. How else would you explain shit going on in the world today.

>>295977
So you are literally doing the opposite of what was said there by giving in to the wizard life instead of trying at being a "le normalfag". I can guess where ur coming from, that you have little bracrabls and ram to spare thanks to your lifestyle.

Anyone under 30 should not give up in my opinion, even though I ended up like this at 30+. You might think you're unfixable but still be a secret late-stage late bloomer.

>>296013
And how do you know exactly what I have or haven't done (or tried) since saving that image? I barely come here anymore because I'm sick of imageboards and the hostile little twerps like you that use them. Get rekt by the word filter, bitch.

>>296025
28-34 is when you could potentially still turn things around or even have a family/become a normie.

After that it gets progressively harder. Nobody will cheer on a 40 year old virgin or want anything to do with them. Then the difficulty level just rises to infinity and you're pretty much guaranteed to be forever alone.

Consciousness is such a cruel thing. Logically I understand that I am just 1/billions of people who have lived on earth: insignificant. Life is chaotic. A number of factors lead to me becoming a loser. That's just evolution. It doesn't care if you find happiness or not. But to be aware of it all and be powerless to change it creates such suffering. I can't go back in time to do things differently, I can't de-age and I can't will myself to have a high iq, charisma and good looks. I just have to endure this humiliating existance never being able to thrive.

At this point, you may as well resign to having sex with some prostitutes using the capital eked out from your jobs. If you don't have any savings, that's okay. You can acquire work and once you earn enough to afford an hour with a prostitute, do it without remorse or superficial concern.

I know this goes against the ways of the shrewd, omniscient wizard; but at your age, I would have benefited greatly from sterile and conditional sex with professional courtesans.

With hope and longing.

— Another traveller in a land of misery.

OP here, anyone realistically have any real reason to justify continuing living? I really just can't find any beyond superficial reasons, the strongest of which is just waiting until the next "high" over and over until you die. I don't even need to explain how repetitive and shallow that is.

>>296414
Nope. Being neet sucks nowadays unlike 10-20 years ago. Games, movies, anime is all pozzed now. Nothing to look forward to so no reason to live. Not going to be a wagecuck while watching everything slowly turn to shit even more.

>>296415
you know it's not like digital media's demise is a new topic but it's truly so fucking shit nowadays that there is not a kernel of artistic pleasure you can extract out of anything. movies are already dead it's purely propaganda with shitty digital cameras and other corner-cutting aspects, animations are suffering the same fate and man, video games have been simply destroyed. I sympathize with you so much because when I don't actively think about my NEETdom this bleak reality doesn't enter into my thinking but it truly have never been this hopeless. I just can't make the time pass, there is nothing to watch or consume. jews completely ruined everything.

>>296414
learn to "compartmentalize". everything in your life could be going to shit, but you can still find sections of reality that bring you joy. even if i was homeless, i could find a flower to look at and think, damn this shit is beautiful, but you think you wouldn't be able to appreciate it because what good is a beautiful flower when xyz exists. but there will always be bullshit and problems in the world and it will always ruin any good if you don't learn to cut it off and focus on a small part of reality that you can control and enjoy.

>>296415
All the old media from 10-20 years ago is still there, so how does that make sense?
Passive consumption typically stops doing anything at some point anyway. Need some particular neurodivergence to be able to enjoy that lifestyle beyond late 20s