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 No.296143

what does he want from us?
why is he torturing us?
why does he give great amount of suffering and horror to poor believers while giving happiness and wealth to evil disbelieving people?
why is he so careless?

 No.296145

>what does he want from us?
to grow and become his equal. i think everyone on earth is part of the same soul that's been evolving since the first single cell organism. humanity is like a distributed network that builds knowledge and wisdom, and one day we will reach a point, call it the singularity or whatever you want, where everything will become clear to us and we get to sit by his side.
>why is he torturing us?
that's not his intention, but going through infinite cycles of birth, death and re-birth is the only way to shape our souls and helps us grow. because he gave us free will, he can't transport us to the final destination, we have to find our own way to it. this universe is simply a machine designed to get us to where we need to get through the collection of experience. a single individual's life probably seems to him like a cruel punishment or meaninglessness, but he is only a small shard of the great soul and even though from his puny perspective it all seems confusing, in the grand scheme of things we're right on track.
>why does he give great amount of suffering and horror to poor believers while giving happiness and wealth to evil disbelieving people?
again, a single individuals experience is limited to one perspective, but in order to become god, you must know everything and that means that god knows what it is to suffer but also what it is to inflict suffering. the victim and the perpetrator are the same soul that meet as a consequence of infinite events on the path to gnosis.
>why is he so careless?
after setting off the initial event, he cannot intervene because we have free will and must reach godhood on our own through infinite cycles of birth and re-birth, through division of our soul into many and ultimately a joining when the time comes.

basically, don't worry about it. we're on the right track. try to make the best of your own small tiny perspective and gain some wisdom. you cannot achieve gnosis on your own, but you could perhaps get a tiny glimpse of the divine plan. it is ultimately a matter of time and repetition before we achieve the end result. there is nothing to do but endure your part in it.

 No.296146

>>296143
there is no god

 No.296147

>>296143
It's all bullshit, but you don't have a choice. It's all predeterminied. your birth, your suffering, you can't do shit. Gnosis, enlightment, all copes. It doesn't matter.

 No.296149

>>296143
>what does he want from us?
He wants for us to recognize our own depraved nature and to ask for forgiveness.

>why is he torturing us?

The due penalty for sin/rebellion is death & punishment. After Man fell, he was doomed to hard labour just to eat.

>why does he give great amount of suffering and horror to poor believers while giving happiness and wealth to evil disbelieving people?

Who are you to question the Alpha and Omega? Were you there when the laid the foundations of the earth? Do you know how the Universe works? Can you make a single hair on your head white? or add a single hour of life to yours? Essentially, do you trust God, no matter what, or not? That's what the book of Job is about.

>why is he so careless?

He's perfect, try again.

 No.296152

>>296149
So he created us so that we suffer without reason and he wants us to forgive him? That's even more cruel. It's like torturing someone and then the one that tortured ask their victim to forgive him, because… Reasons? And when you don't forgive being tortured you will be put into hell aka being tortured for eternity. Great outlook.

 No.296155

>>296152
>So he created us so that we suffer without reason and he wants us to forgive him?
No he created man good. But man rebelled and corrupted himself.
The one needing forgiveness is us, not God. He didn't have to send His only begotten Son to die and take up his life again, but he did.

If your view of life is that we must only suffer, and you never question why we must suffer, then you will undoubtedly succumb to more and more sin, which will draw you further and further away from God. It wouldn't be impossible to return to him and be forgiven, but your heart may be hardened beyond belief by that point. So call out to him today while he is still a God who is near and not a God afar off.

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 No.296160

>>296155
No, he must have known that our nature is determined to be corrupted. He only did it to have fun watching us kill ourselves.

 No.296161

>>296159
>Obese effeminate neckbeard DEBOONKS religion
An ancient art

 No.296164

>>296160
Literally Satan's way of thinking.

 No.296166

>>296161
Theism/Atheism debates are midwit slop.

 No.296184

>>296143
You got your answers:
>>296146
>>296147

Now, maybe worry about something that actually does exist. Like life, for example, and everyday life.

 No.296233

>>296143
This isn't 4chan. We don't have to pretend that the imaginary man in the sky exists to be epic trad crusaders LARPers, stop with the BS.

 No.296237

>>296233
>this isnt le 4chan
>but reddit

 No.296298

Nothing, life is just meant to be experienced and there's no real way to experience it. Make peace with that.
A mismash of four Canaanite deities bundled into one, with contradictory qualities, to the point it hasn't even been fully redacted out of scriptures, makes perfect sense in how schizophrenic all Abrahamic religion is.

 No.296321

>>296164
Then perhaps Satan is right, if that's what he thinks.

 No.296325

>>296322
It just actually makes more sense when seen from this perspective. It makes Jesus have a reason for being.

Also, you sound like a middle schooler.

 No.296326

>>296325
Just FYI, this guy is a janny who seethed at me insulting him, banned me, and then had to reply to nobody because he deleted my post. Imagine the sheer amount of petty insecurity needed to behave like this, lmao. No doubt he’ll do it again. You are such a pathetic little faggot kek

 No.296327

>>296326
I just came back from work and I have no idea what you're talking about.
Either way since you're here, what do you believe in personally?

 No.296328

>>296143
Given my knowledge and personal experiences throughout my life, I have only been able to entertain one of two plausible explanations on the nature of God. First is the Epicurean belief that God(s) exist but don't care about the affairs of mortals. We were created, then our creator(s) quickly lost interest and abandoned us, now we are stuck here with our own flaws and problems with nothing to guide us except what we choose to believe in. The second possibility is the Gnostic belief that God is petty, jealous, and cruel and that the true purpose of life is to, at the time of our deaths, oppose and reject this demiurge and his world and move on to a higher plane of existence. In either case, I cannot and do not believe that the god of this world is loving and benevolent, or that he wants what's best for us.

 No.296331

>>296328
have you considered that there is no god and we exist because of natural phenomena, atheism gave me peace of mind

 No.296340

>>296328
You're already presupposing a deity has antropomorphic qualities or is anything similar to a human or animal by assuming any sort of interest in the first explanation. Omnibenevolence and love are also based on fulfilling human desires for success in subjective and situational matters.
If we take the Abrahamic framework of God, he's a bit like a borderline succubi because we're talking about 3-4 different deities in the same series of books. He's jealous and cruel and can be loving on the next page.
Actually very accurate when it comes to how the world works, unpleasant and pleasant things happen seemingly at random. Seemingly.

>Oppose and reject this demiurge and his world and move on to a higher plane of existence


If we live in this world there is absolutely no escape from it other than through suicide. I'd interpret a "higher plane of existence" as an acceptance of incondionally accepting how things operate and being able to play within this framework.

Opposing and rejecting existence by declaring that the world is problematic is the main flaw of some systems like Buddhism because it presupposes it's samsaric garbage.

The world "is". However you integrate your worldview based on that depends a lot on you and how much you're willing to go to only taking life seriously enough, but not seriously.

 No.296417

the human consciousness is capable of far more than we can comprehend
there is something of the order of 9 million records of people experiencing something after dying for a brief period of time (NDEs) in just the US
the experiences are different between each person but share a few common things, the most important part being a light brighter than the sun and feeling indescribable love and euphoria, but even that doesn't seem to be the last frontier, since all of those experiences involved being sent back after seeing the point of no return, beyond which is assumed to be certain death
none of this is supernatural either, the NDEs are proven by science, right before death the nervous system surges in activity
so like it or not we're all on this ride

 No.296427

>>296149

Well said. It is the height of foolishness for some terminally online dweeb to question the almighty.

 No.296434

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>>296331
It kinda makes sense we would exist by chance considering how big and random our universe is. We keep revolving everything around us and that's our biggest downfall, we are only one one star system in a entire universe filled with galaxies and other shit, how would we know anything?

 No.296436

He doesn't exist. He can't. Nobody can be this evil.

 No.296438

Every one of you are lackwit blunderers where it comes to the topic of religion. A whole group of the blind leading the blind.

Educate yourselves here. Or don't and continue to make jackasses of yourselves while those of us with higher IQs than the rest of you put together laugh at you drooling animals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx2n3NKX508&list=PLgvxaZ9IxSeJzgEkMVPe5sUfkkwot5fEy&index=3

 No.296444

Why did God made me such a stupid idiot? I keep making mistakes with catastrophic, life ruining results. I have zero foresight and looks like I'm going to prison where I'll surely be beaten, raped and will be sucking dick for cigarettes

 No.296447

>>296444
Everyone will turn their back on me. I'll lose my job that I prayed to God to give me for so long. After prison I'll be homeless and without meds I'll return to constant psychosis

 No.296449

>>296438

Alan Watts? Are you serious? He was a new age grifter that used watered down, pseudo Buddhist ideas to amass a cult of personality. He did manage to have sex with lots of succubi, so there's that.

 No.296454

>>296145
I'm not even kidding but lowkey perplexed from how good and underrated this post is.

 No.296470

>>296454
>lowkey
Read The Egg by Andy Weir, zoomer.

 No.296796

>>296143
> why does he give great amount of suffering and horror to poor believers while giving happiness and wealth to evil disbelieving people?
why is he so careless?
Because he doest exist, the rich tell you he exist to keep you dorcile and submissive

 No.296842

>>296143
I believe that the most absolute principle of God is the will.

Think about it, if you look at the teleological chain of life, you will find that every being with a soul only wants to exist and exaggerate its existence. God is existence itself, its essence, God only wants to exist and is the maximum being in existence. That is why he is uncaused, ungenerated, infinite, eternal, all powerful and so on, because he is existence, he cannot be denied, if he has a quality that denies his existence, God cannot be.

From this point, god only wants in the first degree to perpetuate himself as an existing being, and he already does that well, this would be the "will to live", simply to preserve and perpetuate himself, it is in this conception that we can imagine the eternal, unique, indivisible, homogeneous and static god, however, from the will to live is derived the "will to power", which is a higher state of not only wanting to perpetuate existence, but exaggerate it and extend it as much as possible, that is why god creates, because to create is to extend itself, he creates as possible, in infinite ways and infinite powers, all creation is an emanation of him, it is as if he were growing and affirming his existence. Now, God is ideal/rational, because for existence to be in agreement with God, it cannot be limited matter, it has to be thought and ideas, because only thought is unlimited, it is the invention and creation of everything, therefore, all reality is only His thought, HIS DREAM, He alone creates multiple realities and things, as if He were thinking or dreaming, that is why we do not matter to Him, do you worry about people who suffer terrible misfortunes in your dreams? No, we are only creations, His extension, playing roles, performing our "play", following the script.

Now, consciousness is also an emanation of God, He creates multiple consciences in different orders so that they continue creating like Him, in addition to the fact that God loves to create consciences since they are in His image and likeness, and likewise these are only part of Him, they are only divisions of the consciousness of God, only God parts His consciousness and generates illusions to those consciences of being his own. We understand the deepest truths in the dream state, there you realize that your "I" is false, you are false, you are only a thinking thing, you are only a consciousness, but without a specific subject, but it can interpret multiple subjects, and it is obvious that God creates consciences that believe themselves to be individual, when in reality they are only God role-playing.

 No.296882

>>296155
>He didn't have to send His only begotten Son to die and take up his life again, but he did.
Just as he can create the universe and men, he can create infinite sons. Jesus death literally means nothing since God can do it over and over. He probably did it more than once but it wasn't written in a book.

 No.296883

>>296160
>he must have known that our nature is determined to be corrupted
God is omniscient so yeah he knew

 No.297171

>>296143
Come home.

 No.297172

>>296842
>God can’t exist if he has qualities that contradict his existence.
Such as all its qualities. God is non-existence or nothingness and therefore definitionally doesn’t exist. If you stop subjecting God to personification and anthropomorphism, you’ll be able to think more rationally as opposed to pinning everything down to his incomprehensibility.

 No.297202

excuse me why the fuck is this thread in /dep/ ??
you have the best images, and the best music, the works of the greatest minds of all time, you have them at your fingertips, and still you are unhappy
what the fuck man, what else do you want?
is a succubus really what you want? really?? >:D

 No.297246

>>297172
If God exists, that adds nothing new to my idea of Him or his essence. And if He doesn't exist, then how can He lack anything. Qualities of being good, omniscient etc. presuppose existence. Now existence is just a relation between an object and certain concepts, and in case of God and other imaginary entities, no corresponding object in physical reality can be found. It's a spook or I must acquire the proof of his existence from other sources like the intuition of the aforementioned will manifesting at different levels or something, this probably would be the difference between the ontological and cosmological arguments.
>>296340
Basically this, but since dispensing with anthropormphisms is such an impossible task for us, I think the difference between pantheism and atheism is mostly a matter of semantics
>>296145
Basically Plato's chariot allegory
>>296147
>>296184
There's a good thread about free will in /lounge/ with retards saying it absolutely doesn't exist

 No.297257

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 No.297258

He created the universe because he was horny and he jerks off to this stuff



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