/dep/ - Depression

>what does he want from us?
to grow and become his equal. i think everyone on earth is part of the same soul that's been evolving since the first single cell organism. humanity is like a distributed network that builds knowledge and wisdom, and one day we will reach a point, call it the singularity or whatever you want, where everything will become clear to us and we get to sit by his side.
>why is he torturing us?
that's not his intention, but going through infinite cycles of birth, death and re-birth is the only way to shape our souls and helps us grow. because he gave us free will, he can't transport us to the final destination, we have to find our own way to it. this universe is simply a machine designed to get us to where we need to get through the collection of experience. a single individual's life probably seems to him like a cruel punishment or meaninglessness, but he is only a small shard of the great soul and even though from his puny perspective it all seems confusing, in the grand scheme of things we're right on track.
>why does he give great amount of suffering and horror to poor believers while giving happiness and wealth to evil disbelieving people?
again, a single individuals experience is limited to one perspective, but in order to become god, you must know everything and that means that god knows what it is to suffer but also what it is to inflict suffering. the victim and the perpetrator are the same soul that meet as a consequence of infinite events on the path to gnosis.
>why is he so careless?
after setting off the initial event, he cannot intervene because we have free will and must reach godhood on our own through infinite cycles of birth and re-birth, through division of our soul into many and ultimately a joining when the time comes.

basically, don't worry about it. we're on the right track. try to make the best of your own small tiny perspective and gain some wisdom. you cannot achieve gnosis on your own, but you could perhaps get a tiny glimpse of the divine plan. it is ultimately a matter of time and repetition before we achieve the end result. there is nothing to do but endure your part in it.

>>296143
there is no god

>>296143
It's all bullshit, but you don't have a choice. It's all predeterminied. your birth, your suffering, you can't do shit. Gnosis, enlightment, all copes. It doesn't matter.

>>296143
>what does he want from us?
He wants for us to recognize our own depraved nature and to ask for forgiveness.

>why is he torturing us?
The due penalty for sin/rebellion is death & punishment. After Man fell, he was doomed to hard labour just to eat.

>why does he give great amount of suffering and horror to poor believers while giving happiness and wealth to evil disbelieving people?
Who are you to question the Alpha and Omega? Were you there when the laid the foundations of the earth? Do you know how the Universe works? Can you make a single hair on your head white? or add a single hour of life to yours? Essentially, do you trust God, no matter what, or not? That's what the book of Job is about.

>why is he so careless?
He's perfect, try again.

>>296149
So he created us so that we suffer without reason and he wants us to forgive him? That's even more cruel. It's like torturing someone and then the one that tortured ask their victim to forgive him, because… Reasons? And when you don't forgive being tortured you will be put into hell aka being tortured for eternity. Great outlook.

>>296152
>So he created us so that we suffer without reason and he wants us to forgive him?
No he created man good. But man rebelled and corrupted himself.
The one needing forgiveness is us, not God. He didn't have to send His only begotten Son to die and take up his life again, but he did.

If your view of life is that we must only suffer, and you never question why we must suffer, then you will undoubtedly succumb to more and more sin, which will draw you further and further away from God. It wouldn't be impossible to return to him and be forgiven, but your heart may be hardened beyond belief by that point. So call out to him today while he is still a God who is near and not a God afar off.

>>296155
No, he must have known that our nature is determined to be corrupted. He only did it to have fun watching us kill ourselves.

>>296159
>Obese effeminate neckbeard DEBOONKS religion
An ancient art

>>296160
Literally Satan's way of thinking.

>>296161
Theism/Atheism debates are midwit slop.

>>296143
You got your answers:
>>296146
>>296147

Now, maybe worry about something that actually does exist. Like life, for example, and everyday life.

>>296143
This isn't 4chan. We don't have to pretend that the imaginary man in the sky exists to be epic trad crusaders LARPers, stop with the BS.

Nothing, life is just meant to be experienced and there's no real way to experience it. Make peace with that.
A mismash of four Canaanite deities bundled into one, with contradictory qualities, to the point it hasn't even been fully redacted out of scriptures, makes perfect sense in how schizophrenic all Abrahamic religion is.

>>296164
Then perhaps Satan is right, if that's what he thinks.

>>296322
It just actually makes more sense when seen from this perspective. It makes Jesus have a reason for being.

Also, you sound like a middle schooler.

>>296325
Just FYI, this guy is a janny who seethed at me insulting him, banned me, and then had to reply to nobody because he deleted my post. Imagine the sheer amount of petty insecurity needed to behave like this, lmao. No doubt he’ll do it again. You are such a pathetic little faggot kek

>>296326
I just came back from work and I have no idea what you're talking about.
Either way since you're here, what do you believe in personally?

>>296143
Given my knowledge and personal experiences throughout my life, I have only been able to entertain one of two plausible explanations on the nature of God. First is the Epicurean belief that God(s) exist but don't care about the affairs of mortals. We were created, then our creator(s) quickly lost interest and abandoned us, now we are stuck here with our own flaws and problems with nothing to guide us except what we choose to believe in. The second possibility is the Gnostic belief that God is petty, jealous, and cruel and that the true purpose of life is to, at the time of our deaths, oppose and reject this demiurge and his world and move on to a higher plane of existence. In either case, I cannot and do not believe that the god of this world is loving and benevolent, or that he wants what's best for us.

>>296328
have you considered that there is no god and we exist because of natural phenomena, atheism gave me peace of mind

>>296328
You're already presupposing a deity has antropomorphic qualities or is anything similar to a human or animal by assuming any sort of interest in the first explanation. Omnibenevolence and love are also based on fulfilling human desires for success in subjective and situational matters.
If we take the Abrahamic framework of God, he's a bit like a borderline succubi because we're talking about 3-4 different deities in the same series of books. He's jealous and cruel and can be loving on the next page.
Actually very accurate when it comes to how the world works, unpleasant and pleasant things happen seemingly at random. Seemingly.

>Oppose and reject this demiurge and his world and move on to a higher plane of existence

If we live in this world there is absolutely no escape from it other than through suicide. I'd interpret a "higher plane of existence" as an acceptance of incondionally accepting how things operate and being able to play within this framework.

Opposing and rejecting existence by declaring that the world is problematic is the main flaw of some systems like Buddhism because it presupposes it's samsaric garbage.

The world "is". However you integrate your worldview based on that depends a lot on you and how much you're willing to go to only taking life seriously enough, but not seriously.

the human consciousness is capable of far more than we can comprehend
there is something of the order of 9 million records of people experiencing something after dying for a brief period of time (NDEs) in just the US
the experiences are different between each person but share a few common things, the most important part being a light brighter than the sun and feeling indescribable love and euphoria, but even that doesn't seem to be the last frontier, since all of those experiences involved being sent back after seeing the point of no return, beyond which is assumed to be certain death
none of this is supernatural either, the NDEs are proven by science, right before death the nervous system surges in activity
so like it or not we're all on this ride

>>296149

Well said. It is the height of foolishness for some terminally online dweeb to question the almighty.

>>296331
It kinda makes sense we would exist by chance considering how big and random our universe is. We keep revolving everything around us and that's our biggest downfall, we are only one one star system in a entire universe filled with galaxies and other shit, how would we know anything?