No.296568
autism is just being self-aware amongst npcs. instead of following the script, you question things too much and have your own values outside of culturally inherited memes which creates unavoidable friction when dealing with people. there is no room for thinking otherwise you ruin the flow of action. like a manual walker, except you are manual living. "anon is clumsy and awkward" "anon can't understand body language and can't take a hint" anon doesn't receive the same commands as us or he ignores them for some reason. anon is an anomaly. we must exclude and gaslight him until he conforms or self-destructs. the only solution ends up being isolation and communicating with other "autists" on the internet and just being a passive observer to all events.
No.296569
Being born with high-functioning autism is literally one of the worst hands you could possibly be dealt in life to the likes of literal paralysis and schizophrenia and literal not a single normalfag seems to acknowledge this.
No.296587
High functioning autism is so horrible, You are normal looking enough to be perceived as a person and to have all the expectations of personhood put upon you, but everyone can notice that your practiced movements are fake. No amount of copying normiegroids will make you look like one, because normiegroids can spot a fraud from a mile away. High functioning autism means you look like a person, but there's something fundamentally off about you that makes people uncomfortable. Le uncanny valley effect.
If you have autism stop trying to win in a game that is rigged against you and try to get a disability so you can neet in comfort while pursuing your special interests.
No.296594
having autism ruined my life i will never understand this world and i will never be able to act like other adults or properly take care of myself
No.296596
>>296579>unforgivable trait in social relationshipsSocial relationships require social skills, which the autistic man does not have, and has great difficulty cultivating.
>but also a general death sentance for jobsBeing able to function among other people, and not rubbing them the wrong way, is a much more important skill than whatever your job entails. I wish it were not so.
As well as the entire concept of job interviews, where no questions are ever relevant to whatever the job is about and is just a barrage of questions meant to test your social capacity.
>"So what are your strengths?">"…I'm applying for a janitor position, how is that relevant?"Nope, your ass is out the door.
No.296600
>>296589Then your costs of living and taxes are probably so low you can just do any code monkey shit on the internet, trade some shitcoins or do some scamming
No.296601
>>296579People don't like men in general, especially autistic men.
Female autists play on easy mode comparatively.
No.296602
Doctors have been wanting to diagnose me with autism for years but I've been resisting it, I'm not autistic I just think differently, yeah I'm unemployed and on disability, basically my entire life screams autism but I don't wanna let them label me like that, fuck norpers
No.296610
>66% of autistic adults have thought about taking their own life
>35% have attempted suicide
>between 11-41% of those who die by suicide present autistic traits
>40% of autistic men are virgins
>85% of adults with autism are unemployed
>the average autism life expectancy is around 54 years old (72 for the entire population)
What's up with this curse? Holy shit.
No.296611
>>296602I feel the same, though I guess I'm good enough at imitating a normie, because no one's out to get me like that. I think people want to put a label on everything so they can have a predefined way of treating you. Once they label you as autistic, they will just treat you like a stereotypical autistic, and not like an individual, unique person.
No.296612
>>296610>the average autism life expectancy is around 54 years old (72 for the entire population)That's the optimistic number from a certain study.
Another study was a lot more pessimistic and said that the average life expectancy for an autistic person is 36 years old.
>40% of autistic men are virginsThat's surprising. I thought that number would be above 50 percent at the very least.
No.296614
>>296612>I thought that number would be above 50 percent at the very least.In reality, it probably is, but the study factors in snowflakes and attention whores who aren't really autistic, they just got the diagnosis.
No.296618
Im really happy that theres no treatment for autism, it means i can neetbux and not be expected to improve
No.296620
>>296618based leech, all anti-autism in this thread makes me sick
No.296624
>Be too autistic to work
>Be so high-functioning that the lizards who control the NEETbux won't give you any because "You can work!"
On an unrelated topic, how many stories would I have to fall from to die?
No.296627
>>296618Not everyone, autism or otherwise, can get on neetbux.
Even if neetbux is technically available as an option for an autist, he might still get fucked over because whoever made the decision to deny him neetbux was in a bad mood that day, or some other shitty reason.
>>296620>anti-autismIt's self-hatred. And for good reason.
>>296624>Be so high-functioning that the lizards who control the NEETbux won't give you any because "You can work!"You have to convince them that you can't work, even though a normalfag might think otherwise at a glance.
See if you can get help from a lawyer or something.
>On an unrelated topic, how many stories would I have to fall from to die?https://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/jumping-high-building/>Stone states that jumping from 150 feet (46 metres) or higher on land, and 250 feet (76 metres) or more on water, is 95% to 98% fatal. 150 feet/46 metres, equates to roughly 10 to 15 stories in a building, depending on the height of one story. No.296629
>>296624>the lizards who control the NEETbux won't give you any because "You can work!"They must have some clearly defined criteria, do you know what they are?
No.296630
>>296624But u can work, u just need a supporting environment ;).
No.296652
>>296629>They must have some clearly defined criteriaOf course they don't. Neurotypicals thrive on putting others (especially those who they see as beneath themselves) through vague and invisible hoops to jump through and not even telling them that there are even hoops there let alone where they are
No.296661
>>296659I used to before I turned to Christ. My favorite resource before I switched sides was this:
https://puredhamma.net No.296705
I am autist but nothing like NEETbux or similar even exist in My country
No.296731
>>296730
Best bet would be to see a psychiatrist. Just keep in mind some of them are quacks with an agenda to either over- or under-diagnose.
No.296741
>>296738Disturbing how even literal downies have a better chance at getting a job…
No.296746
>>296738>>296741im 32 and pretty high functioning but ive lost half a dozen jobs this year. i only walked out on one because it was so shit. another i dropped the role but they said they'd put me in a different position then it never happened. i did have one sort of ok job (it paid well atleast) but they fired me without any stated reason.
No.296747
>>296738yep, and there's retards on here who think you can be just as happy as normals being autistic
No.297025
>bazillions of "resources" for autistic children
>nothing for autistic adults
Amazing
No.297056
I want to express my respect for the posters in this thread. Throughout my life, I’ve felt like a broken alien stranded on a foreign planet. I’ve always known I was different, but it’s only as an adult that I’ve gained any real self-awareness. Now, I understand the many downsides of autism—traits that often overlap with other communities. You’d think discussions like this would be common in those spaces, but I’ve only found them here.
To engage in a thread like this, you need to exist in a “Goldilocks zone” of the autism spectrum. If you’re too autistic, you may lack the self-insight to relate. If you’re not autistic enough, you might not feel the need to be here at all. The people here seem to be self-aware adults who “look normal” but struggle—or feel overwhelmed—by everyday life. Because so much of this comes down to mental processing (informational, psychological, social), there’s often no obvious behavioral difference to signal dysfunction. As a result, many of us seem to fall through the cracks.
Honestly, I think the best we can hope for is someone in a social welfare system taking pity on us and helping us secure support. When I reflect on what I have in life, it all stems from others giving me opportunities or resources because I got lucky. I feel deeply grateful for that support, but also terrified, knowing I couldn’t survive without it.
No.297059
>>297056thank you for this kind post wizzie
it really comes down to everything taking more effort, and no one recognizes this because you don't have it written on your forehead
not saying life's easy for normies, just that neurodivergent people face additional challenges on every step
No.297064
Looking in this thread, yeah this whole world is a shitshow for autists. Currently living in one of those hicktown sisterfucker towns that despite being autist because I have a body that isn't broken and that I can breathe I can't get NEETbux so I'm stuck with getting shit jobs that take all of my energy, patience, and sanity. Worst part is i can't move as it's way too damn expensive. Fuck this ride, I want to get off.
No.297070
Also I hate that shows like "Love on the Spectrum" exist on shit like Netflix. It serves to give autists false hope and normies some wholesome porn to metaphorically jack-off to. It's asinine in every way.
No.297072
>>296627I already tried a lawyer, they gave up on me as soon as the judge said "Nope, actually you can work!"
No.297076
There's a structural problem with being autistic that makes you want to avoid anything that requires spontaneous precise physical action, because in order to learn anything that requires fine motoric skills an autist needs like 10 X the time and dozens of multiple repetitions before he can realize the motions even remotely as good as a normal person can after first two tries. The experience of this is what made me gave up about life mostly. I have extreme trouble learning things that require precise movement including video games but especially things like handicraft and crafting and art. This circumstance prevented me from even trying to live a decent life because it's too much effort and humiliation and feelings of lacking and shortcomings. Easier to take drugs like Kratom, weed alcohol and cope with pessimism and suicidal ideation, those things never disappointed me.
>go to a first aid course
>have to do some actions in front of a group
>fail
>everyone else pretty much gets it first try
>have to do some kind of bandage with a partner
>don't understand what the person showed us
>everyone gets it done easily
>make some retarded knot and have no idea how to do it the right way
>I got skipped as they understood that I'm a hopeless cause, get certificate out of pity
Never doing such an event again. That's how it has been with everything that requires such motoric, coordinative, spatial skills. It's embarrassing and crushing to see how I fail at such simple tasks that others do not even need to think about. And don't get me started about the social aspect of it all it's too much.
No.297077
>>297076>>go to a first aid courseIf you made it that far, you're not autistic.
No.297078
>>297077I was forced to go there. Also if you would carefully have read this thread you could have deducted that one of the worst fates is high functioning autism. There are people on the spectrum having a driving licence and actually can drive. In my country you need a first aid course to get the licence which is what I was doing. That is no reason to not be autistic. But I guess such statements would only be uttered by people not on the spectrum themselves.
No.297080
most autists in the west survive on NEETbux, but what about thirdie autists?
No.297084
am trapped in a low wage security job for life because I clearly have autism, ADHD, and severe depression. None of these things can be cured and the security job is the only job I can handle with my intellectual limits. I even went to college but I got a worthless bachelors degree and it never helped with finding a normal job or advanced career. I am 30 and I have been working in low wage work since I was 23. It is over at this point and I have come to accept that.
Low wage jobs do not just suck because of the low wages but also the social stigma. People will treat you like shit if you work in a low wage job. I live in the USA
No.297091
>>297080>but what about thirdie autists?They live with their parents until either they die or their parents die.
If they're lucky, their parents convince a sibling or some other relative to take care of them after they die.
No.297093
>>297091I expected they would sell veggies/fruits on the streets
No.297098
I wear a mask at work, but it's actually exhausting and on my time off I'm always depressed. I got certified to work in a sort of entry level healthcare related field. It's "in demand" but still has all the issues of general job hunting anyway. Robo-rejections, ghost apps, interviewers who forget your interview time and don't call. So much fucking bullshit.
If housing and basic food/internet were guaranteed, I wouldn't even bother working.
No.297104
Do any other autismos ITT struggle with sleep issues? For me, it's not so much the autism itself that holds me back—it's the lack of regular, consistent sleep. Without proper sleep, mental functioning takes a hit, and physical recovery becomes so much harder.
Every job demands a consistent schedule, but my sleep disturbances are unpredictable, which makes it impossible to stick to one. When I don't sleep well, everything falls apart: my mood tanks, my motivation disappears, and I feel like I can't accomplish anything.
Just end it right now…
No.297106
>>297104When the autism gets going, the going gets hard
No.297111
>>297106true, guess i just have to live with it.
No.297164
>>296567>autism being the ultimate blackpillpretty much. statistics bare this out, if you're a male autist you have a 20% chance at best of finding a partner (not a problem for a volcel), immense difficulty with maintaining a job and will probably die at 50 from your body being destroyed by high cortisol levels throughout your life.
autism is the mark of the devil and your life is going to be hellish in some ways
No.297170
>>297104Yes, all of that.I can't tell whether the stress causes the lack of sleep, or the lack of sleep causes everything itself. It's a vicious spiral of sorts i suppose
No.297177
>>297076I love Wizchan because nobody on other image boards makes posts like this relating to specific issues of autism. Yes, you're absolutely right, this has been my experience as well in regards to motor skills. I've taken dancing lessons, and I was so bad compared to everyone else. There was no long-term improvement either, copying the movements of the instructor stayed as difficult as at the beginning
>This circumstance prevented me from even trying to live a decent life because it's too much effort and humiliation and feelings of lacking and shortcomingRelatable
No.297180
>>297177>I love Wizchan because nobody on other image boards makes posts like this relating to specific issues of autism.On almost any other anonymous imageboard, you'd be dogpiled and made fun of relentlessly. That is not to say that you get asspats and participation awards here, not that its even wanted, its just that the dogpiling doesn't happen immediately.
>I've taken dancing lessons, and I was so bad compared to everyone else.And at no point did it ever occur to the instructor(s) to give you extra one-on-one instructions, im sure. Lots of effort for not much reward, and no time because theres dozens of other students to instruct.
No.297184
>>297180I don't think the issue is dogpiling myself, it just seems that the people here are more knowledgeable about autism or are just willing to speak about it more openly
>And at no point did it ever occur to the instructor(s) to give you extra one-on-one instructions, im sureI've got no problem with the instructor, she did give me extra help at times as she did to everybody. She just didn't do it constantly. I suppose she realized that I'm just not good at dancing and didn't want to embarrass me. It would've been even worse in terms of embarrassment to be constantly singled out. Even without it I dreaded the lessons and wanted to quit
No.297193
Am i going to have a seziure someday because i keep getting overstimulated going to stressfuk overstimulating places?
No.297198
>>297193tension, it builds up and no idea how and where to release it
No.297199
>>297193Could lead to some sort of breakdown. It took until my 30s that i suddenly had a new type of anxiety where i just couldnt stop shaking or sleep for days until i went to a doctor and got sedatives
No.297214
>>297184Everyone who ends up a 25+ year old male virgin is pretty much guaranteed to be high on the autism spectrum.
Normie spaces will sniff out and ban autists that are their unfiltered selves with no masking.
Doesn't really leave many discussion spaces except Reddit (even there, only specific subs) and a few obscure imageboards like this.
No.297216
Important question here: does the autism get stronger with age? As in the behavioural patterns and typical symptoms become increasingly more obvious? To me it seems this way. And since at some point the energy and will to fight against it and try to suppress the traits fades out you just kind of regress even more. Feels like I'm not far from moving to a stationary home because I just can't deal with things anymore at all.
No.297218
>>297216I'd say so. There are things now that i absolutely can't deal with that weren't problems at all when i was a child.
No.297224
>>296567Being on the spectrum is bad enough, add being ugly as fuck to that and you're pretty much just stealing oxygen on this planet. Absolutely no one will tolerate your presence and normies will bully you away from any job. it's a hellish existence, especially if you live in a country where gettiing neetbux is not easy.
No.297282
>>297224>normies will bully you away from any jobThat is, if they can even land a job in the first place.
No.297293
Any autist in a group home
No.297415
>>297104Make sure you block out ALL sunlight and other lights if you want quality sleep.
No.297416
>>297415I have to turn off my computer completely, even so that my monitor's "on" light doesn't blink to get good sleep.
No.298496
>>296567Then you know what type of people to combat, leech and sabotage. Good luck.
>>296624Insist. Go for autistic associations, too
No.298716
deranged post coming up, don't read if you're in sync with society
They hate us because we don't play along. One of the most common normie advice is "don't think, just act" or some other feely bullshit like that. Most car drivers have no idea how a car works, and they have no interest to find out, yet they have the ability to drive it. Those NPCs have the same attitude towards everything else about life - no desire to understand, only go with the flow. We on the other hand, tend to question, analyze and systematize. This "oblivious" vs "questioning" difference is the fundamental difference, and the reason why we might never get along. We ask too many questions, while normies hate it when questions shake their status quo.
No.298720
>>298716Einstein said he was in the highest flow state of his scientific career when he knew the least.
When he accumulated more and more knowledge, he came up with less and less working scientific theorems or solutions.
By all common logic, he should have been more successful and skilled when he aged and knew more.
But it ended up giving him total decision fatigue and paralysis.
In the end, his main texts surviving to this day are from the very beginning of his career when he barely understood the field and simply chose to challenge Isaac Newton in a series of three papers and it turned out he was right.
He went by pure intuition instead of *only* deep knowledge and fact, and he won.
Normies operate under the exact same principle, except with 100 times less knowledge than Einstein.
And they win because much of the time in life, winning is just the courage to challenge the current status quo in *some way*.
His involved pure scientific fact, a basic normie does it by creating a better product or idea than his peers.
In the case of normies, it's even easier than being Einstein. You don't have to *objectively* have a better product or idea, you just have to _convince_ people everyone is wrong except you. And if enough people believe you, you become successful.
No.298726
>>296567>"you gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make your life"anyone who isn't where society think you should be, get to hear this!
even if you are a non-autist, very few people will actually try to help you! even family and extended family.
they expect you to help them, but when you ask them for help or are in a bad spot in life, most will either refuse to help or not do anything meaningful.
The number of people who have genuinely tried to help me is less than 10.
Whenever I falter in life, my "friends", extended family and family just berate me to do better.
Then pat themselves on their back like they did you a favor. Whenever I get sick of this and push back they act like am some ungrateful asshole.
>anon why don't you have a GF yet at the age of 30? arn't you ashamed? why don't you just get one?>well then help me get one then, if you want me to have one so much! not gonna do it? then STFU!>it's been three months since you got fired! how come you still don't have a job? Search harder!>ask your employer if they can hire me otherwise shove it up your ass!then they stare at me like it was something extremely ungrateful to say. like they expect me to be super grateful for them for telling me "just try harder bro". then they be like
>this is the last time I ever lecture/scold youGood STFU so I don't have to hear you nag! The hatred for normies is completely justified. most of these normies didn't make it either, they work jobs they hate and you get to hear them whine about it at work, their partner cheated on them, their kids being unbearable, bitch about things they want but can't have. worst part is they don't make any attempt to fix their lives but have the gall to whale on you for not fixing yours. worst are the normies who tries to drag you down because can't stand someone getting their act together.
No.298746
Autism isn't real. It's fake bullshit like everything that is churned out by psychology academic careerist faggots. Who the fuck determines what is the criteria for being "normal" on this planet? And what the fuck is "normal"? Who the fuck gave these retarded academics to play God?
Fuck them. Stop taking these meme illnesses seriously. There are designed to manipulate you to control like normalcattle. By putting a label then prison on in a fiction created by them.
No.298748
>>298746This makes sense, I can agree with this. Most people (at least on wizchan) who call themselves "autists" are really just nonconformists and free thinkers. "Not fitting" in society is really just denying to take the bullshit and lies that the mainstream asks of us in order for us to "succeed" in the normalfag game. This is a much better way of saying it than:
"You're not autistic if you don't act like a retard." This implies that the person is making it up, or playing the victim. Most "autists" on wizchan really do struggle because they refuse to take normie society's bullshit with a smile.
No.299484
I'm starting to realize that if you break down all your symptoms for autism you can start to treat some of them. Autism can have a crap load of symptoms and a regular doctor wouldn't have time to cover most of it. So imo, doing this yourself is the only unfortunate option.
Here's a basic example:
- ive recently found that some of my sleep issues are causes by "restless leg syndrome." This was easily recognizable… but the treatment for it is simply magnesium. So I started with a low dose and a few days later my symptoms had very much improved.
- melatonin – spergs are known to have less melatonin. So supplementation is helpful. The best supplementation is time-release 3 mcg melatonin (that's micrograms = ug and not mg.)
- i avoid caffeine as much as possible and try to keep a consistent bed time
- daily multi vitamin (that has b complex, and mineral complex); then a pill with a mix of magnesium, vit k, vit d, and calcium (good to get the ratios right here.)
- crap loads of exercise can help you sleep and give you energy
- adaptogens can minimize stress and boost energy without the crashes of stimulants (rhodiola rosea is goated.)
For serious anxiety:
- ashwaghanda
Helpful notes:
- people react differently to supplements. What is considered "safe" can still give some people undesired effects. Try get enteric coated pills where ever possible (it minimizes stomach upset).
- If its your first time taking something try cut the tablet in half or tip half of the gel cap out.
imo, you need to take supplements long enough to see if they do anything so it takes discipline. Like, what I said about magnesium. It didn't just work for me the first day I took it. Day 2 I started to noticed a lot of improvement and after that i felt like I could actually relax my body to sleep again. Obviously, if these observations about "what you need" are never kept and organized, the process is also useless, too. I am literally starting a Github repo for my health.
No.299695
>>297076I have great motoric and spatial skills, but they are not really needed in modern society, so it wouldn't really help you. Being an artisan of some sort was my only hope in life but even on fucking manufactures people still get the ick from my autism and those position are extremely rare in general.
>>297216They do and that happens simply because your psyche gets exhausted from constant rejection, disappointment and performance.
>>296629They do have criteria such as they rate your capacity to sleep to raise your hand and such. But how much each criteria matter is up for the interviewer to decide. A lot of criteria doesnt account at all for autistic specific difficulties with work, seems like normies legit dont get it. If I say, I can't work in social environments because they have too much stimuli and my brain blanks out and is unable to focus, they legit do not understand how that hinders work. They will be like "just take anxiety pills and you'll do fine". Bitch anxiety has nothing to do with that
No.299728
>>298726If you really are 30 + there is no fucking way that people just want to look down on you to feel better about their own miserable life. There’s no way. You must have grown up extremely sheltered.
No.299729
>>299728I meant to say: *no fucking way that you don’t know that people…
No.299731
>>299484A good multivita (Thorne labs) and a generic vitamin C, both for 2+ years straight, considerably alleviated all my autism behaviors I've had since being diagnosed at 15.
Of course it doesn't "cure" it, but the brain is very neuroplastic.
I am more and more normal by the day. There is definitely a nutritional element at play.
No.299737
>>299731just by your comment i can tell that youre still completely autistic. Nutrition doesnt fucking cure autism lmao
No.299766
If you're able to post here, you're barely autistic. Real autistic kids are vegetables who parents would have aborted if they had known what they'd turn out like. The best "cure" for mild autism is to work in trades. Being around blokey men will rid you of that shit ASAP. But you'll have to endure a lot of pain. Working in STEM fields will make it worse.
No.299767
>>299766what part of, "it's a spectrum" don't you understand?
No.299768
>>299767Which part of my post implied I'm not aware of the spectrum? The part about severe autism or the part about mild autism?
No.299788
>>299766>Being around blokey men will rid you of that shit ASAPplease, please stop peddling this shit lie.
No.302168
>>296569lel
so, you be saying, a psychiatrist, who resorts to putting "SCH, schub" diagnosis instead of autism, kinda helps an autist out? Lol
No.302169
>>299766Tried that.
Got a psychosis-like shut-in brain with that "everyone wants a piece of me" scared attitude.
Good news is, I got a job where my "SCARED OF PEOPLE, not just meek" attitude has somehow helped to not question my boss' decisions too much.
No.302171
I wish I could start a business and only hire high functioning autistic people. Imagine how efficient that place would be.
No.302174
>>302171You mean 1980s Apple?
No.302175
>>296579>What is it about autism in men that is not only an unforgivable trait in social relationships but also a general death sentance for jobsThey should make autistic protagonists for movies/series.
No.302176
>>296569>and literal not a single normalfag seems to acknowledge this.There is a lot more to acknowledging this verbally than you think.
No.302181
>>299766Level 3's can type normal
No.302185
>>302184Fed-nyaa would incarcerate you for mere being sus
No.302186
>>296618In my area, though, NEETbuxing requires you to show up to brutal ubermench-minded blokes to 're-confirm' your awootism issues.
No.302187
>>302184You'd be better off Mount athosmaxxxing. Become a monk on an island that bans even female visitors from stepping foot on it.
Don't have to worry about food or freezing to death during winter either.
No.302190
>>302184Not everyone is lv 1
No.302354
>>296587You're underestimating how stupid normalfags are, they can fall for the most basic masking.
It gets stressful though and then you just want to be a recluse again.