No.299369
what substances and "medication" do you partake in?
No.299370
>>299369None and none. I even quit caffeine to help improve my sleep. It does make it so I don't get that afternoon crash anymore but it hasn't helped raise my energy levels long term.
No.299371
I have the same problem, immense fatigue. Since starting Semen Retention and quitting porn it's 10x worse. I hope it's my body healing (paws) but i don't know, it's awful. Going to work takes everything i've got and i go to sleep really early and waking up exhausted. Working out does nothing. I just want to have energy. Vitamine D + k2 gives me hot flashes and makes me feel ill. Also quit caffeine, and nothing.
No.299373
>>299371I'm just coming off a 14 day no pmo streak myself. It didn't really do much of anything for me besides resensitizing myself to some more vanilla content again. Though I also immediately was in a total flatline, didn't even think about anything erotic. I haven't tried too many supplements, I remember trying Omega3s at some point to no effect. I'm sick and tired of grifters promising you solutions. At this point I'm almost resigned that it will be like this for however long I decide to stick around on this rock.
No.299374
>>299373I'm still in that flatline, the way i used degenerate porn it could take months before my libido returns. Yeah supplements are a scam. The problem with supplements is you deplete yourself if you take for example vitamine d, it depletes your magnesium. Oh you take zinc? You better supplement with copper! I did all this shit for nothing and spend like 1000$ over the course of 2 years. Omega3 can get rancid and do more bad than good. Hell a latest study says that it contributes to heart problems. Better eat real food or some magic diet (carnivore,glutenfree, i dunno). Could be low t, but i don't wanna test it. Being on trt feels like such a chore.
No.299376
>>299374Yeah same here, definitely need more time off porn to even halfway recover some normal libido. Then again though, what's the point. Some years ago I did actually have my T checked for similar reasons - lethargy, no libido etc but they were only on the lower end of the normal spectrum. Again, like you I don't care for taking some T supplement for the rest of my life, same reason why I am just gonna let the reaper take my hair instead of doing this elaborate song and dance with fin and min and whatever.
No.299377
>>299368Did you ever go to the doctor to try & see if you have a condition?? I have sleep apnea + had vitamin D + B12 deficiency & I didn't even know about any of that shit for yrs (all wasted because too tired to do anything). This is important to know whether you have those or anything else or not
No.299380
>>299377My last full blood panel was a little less than a year ago and everything was fine. I don't think my exhaustion has gotten much worse since then either. Never been tested for sleep apnea but I've heard it can be a common explanation. I think I would have to try an get some specialist to check that and getting appointments with those when you're not actively dying is pretty difficult where I live.
No.299491
My blood work came back clean. Next thing to do is get tested for sleep apnea. I'm never going to finish what I start.
No.299499
>>299491I've known about sleep apnea for a long time now and have never get tested either. It was already a huge effort to get this far with all the tests and what not. Trying to convince my doctor to sign off on something like that would probably be another ordeal.
No.299527
>>299376It's not "some time off". PIED has no medical cure and can only slowly be healed after 12-36+ months without porn. Hence most addicts have no way of curing it once they've strangled their snake to death.
No.299529
day 10 million of trying to achieve a healthy and regular sleeping pattern (still no success but any day now)
copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy… planet wizbux… the /wiz/ megasphere… when you're wiz deprived… fades out of perspective…
No.299902
I think the vaxx did this to me
No.299906
>>299374The thing is, test would help with the majority of vitamin deficicies.
No.300316
>>300315>I have no drive, no passion. I've been feeling better lately, but still can't do anything.Yeah that's kind of the goal of pills such as venlafaxine. It's working! You've lobotomized yourself and overloaded yourself with numbness hormones, but hey the doctor knows best, right?
No.301758
>>300316>>300316AFAIK, recent studies suggest lack of sleep may trigger a depression severe enough to frick up one's sleep (hence causing a vicious cycle)
No.301938
I consume vitamin D supplements
I switched from coffee to energy drinks… my gut was not happy with that though
I have iron food supplements
I also consume multivitamins from time to time
No.301939
I'm an alcoholic, but I've reached a point where it doesn't help. It's either far too unhealthy (blah blah i dont care about health but i do care about not being in pain) and too expensive. Just today I've drank 16 beers. They are labeled as 1.3 standard drinks so from google that means I had 20.8 beers. I feel chilled out, but not drunk. I did take the whole day of 12 hours to drink them all, but I can't do this every day of the week. I wake up with bad pain in my sides, which goes away after a few hours, I sometimes stop drinking for a few days if the pain gets worse, but then the mental pain gets bad and I need to drink so I drink. Fuck this
No.301995
>>299368Creatine helped me with my fatigue. Didn't eliminate it completely but it does help.
Will it work for you? No idea. but it's cheap and worth trying.
No.301998
all these normals spitting normals advice.
it sickens me, go back to reddit !
hurr durr .. it's vitamin d .. hurr durr .. it's lack of sleep .. hurr durr .. it's vitamin deficiency .. just shut your mouth with this over used advices.
just shut it filthy redditors
>>299368Here is my theory little wiz (it may be wrong, it may be right) :
If you are nearing 30, 5 alpha reductase and thus DHT levels have increased locally in the brain (as it does in balding scalp), which leads to decreased estrogen production in the brain tissue and consequently an increase in monoamine oxidase A, which culminates into a dip in dopamine receptors and monoamine production (dopamine & serotonin).
Until now, all my attempts to reverse this have been to no avail.
No.302034
>>301998
>If you are nearing 30, 5 alpha reductase and thus DHT levels have increased locally in the brain (as it does in balding scalp), which leads to decreased estrogen production in the brain tissue and consequently an increase in monoamine oxidase A, which culminates into a dip in dopamine receptors and monoamine production (dopamine & serotonin).Apparently, your theory implies people with rapid balding, (as in "wolf ears" pattern of receded hairline in mid-teens applicable to me, by the way) are likely to be super-depressed; so it's not the loss of hair itself that makes a baldie sad, rather, it's an indicator of undergoing processes of getting baldie' receptors… say, affected.
By the way. My hairline was receded to the point of having "wolf ears" pattern as a 14-year-old AND I was in /dep/ zone to the point of not being able to study/to abandon my study properly
>which culminates into a dip in dopamine receptors and monoamine production (dopamine & serotonin).Two my cents: Or, it may be a "dip" in how serotonin molecule makes/loses connection with its receptor, while the number of receptors stays the same. Think of a poor TV signal and a "cable" that's plugged into a wonky connector. The connector "kinda" works but not as good as it should. My apartment used to have a "TV cable" socket, a proper SHIVAKI telly yet the cable was a cheap piece of crap so my cartoons were in grayscale until my brother bought a better wire.
edit: re-writing
No.302035
>>301998>it sickens me, go back to reddit !Apologies.
Oh silly me for I have forgotten depression can be cause by several various things
SCH, brain damage from physical damage, exposire to neurotoxins, exposire to heavy metals, various stuff have "depression" listed as one of the symptoms.
Seriously. My life was a "could have been easily avoided hadn't my mother be both a fanatic (impose Orthodoxal fasting on my developing brain) and a slop consumer (buy me cutlets made out of hooves/lard/not-too-good-meat mix) "because I have no time to cook!"
No.302036
>>301998>it sickens me, go back to reddit !Apologies.
Oh silly me for I have forgotten depression can be cause by several various things
SCH, brain damage from physical damage, exposire to neurotoxins, exposire to heavy metals, various stuff have "depression" listed as one of the symptoms.
still, my point stands: in my case, my /dep/ zone appears to be the result of my mother not feeding me the right food. No.302142
pains in my arms and legs, brainfog and trouble thinking clealy, nightmares. doctors are useless unless you want to get fucked up on pills. think about suicide everyday
No.302143
I read somewhere that it's just best to go with it yet not get too lazy.
There's a saying that has both a good and a bad meaning: a rolling stone gathers no moss.
Good because you're open minded and dont want to be one with nature (hence why you're rolling).
Bad because, in some cultures, moss is a sign of substanance and belonging with said nature (which you cant gather because tbe rolling wont let you settle down).
But it's all subjective in the end.
(As in I can feel bipolar irritants preparing their "contradictions" like they always do -_-)..
No.302146
>>302145
>i was having a monster and a few cans of other soft drinks daily. i noticed when i get caffeine from these drinks they wake me up for about 10 minutes if only and then i crash. this didnt used to happen years ago, but i was also never quite this depressedRelateable! Used to be the same for me, say, 3 years ago.
By the way… Quitting coffee at once, "cold turkey", is a bit risky, you may get a headache and such.
Taking 3-4 days of vacation to crash on a sofa, maybe watching funny cartoons from yer childhood without thinking, why they arent funny now…
….you your energy supply will improve
also
buy more real meat (liver also counts) to resupply your body's "unreplaceable" aminoacids reserves
also
soy sauce and unflavored instant noodles, oh the irony, go well together.
Save the flavor powder packs for frying eggs/frying meat/frying veggies and stuff - cut a packet's corner and try dispersing a tiny stream of spices on da eggs
regards,
>>302035 No.304087
bump with a post about my fatigue from years ago
See, in my family, we hae thick old blankets out of real wool and little to no thin blankets. When we moved into a newer apartment… ok, so, 2-3 years ago, I bought a thin 100% cotton blanket and used it. FIRST COMFY SLEEP IN 16 years dammit! I am fat and tall, hence large, cannot radiate heat well, so, nowonder i had a very bay sleep evey day - it was just slightly too hot for me to sleep well even with my clothes off
>>299380 No.304090
>>302142>pains in my arms and legs, brainfog and trouble thinking clealy, nightmares. doctors are useless unless you want to get fucked up on pills
>unless you want to get fucked up on pillsare you telling me you wont get "neetbux" aka disability pension? eeeeesh….
No.304092
I eat cod liver every week and it helped me with my fatigue a tad bit desu.
No.304093
>>304092same here
next stop:
No.304124
Eat fruit, get vitamin d (the sun is the strongest form), stretch. Fatigue is a biological symptom so it needs a biological remedy. No amount of thinking will fix it
No.304136
>>304112>>304123Sleep hygiene is important, I am with you here
OK, so heres how I patched it up somewhat:
* get a proper matress (NOT the 2000$ bullshit)
* get proper pillows (2'4 x 2'4 at least each, if you're nearing 300lbs like I do)
* blackout curtains (cheap 20$ synthetic ones do the job even in summer)
>>304124True, I've been trying to rationalise my pain for years, did not work.
Yet three years ago, I took a loan to patch up some stuff in my apartment and now I have way less problems.
* Had to cut my coffee intake in half, also. I don't drink instant coffee now as its awfully easy to overcaffeinate myself with "three mugs of three cups" - I used to drink 3 teaspoons of instant coffee daily and was all nervous and mad…
* get 6 x 4oz/120g cans of cod liver. Eat it sometimes this winter. Cod liver makes a decent bread spread, try making some CL&J sandwiches (fat, fishy yet "real organics) instead of PB&J ones (i got myself real PB recently. Kinda lacks the taste)
Thing is, low vitamind D fuaaaaghs up your immune system, your thinking, your mood - its lack debuffs you everywhere at once
No.304141
>>304136I want to take vit D supplements but I'm afraid of side effects like toxicity and how it allegedly fucks with your arteries. Is it true?
How do you take your vit D, wizbro?
No.304143
>>304141>toxicity1-2 pills before eating or ask Perplexity AI
>toxicity [in cod liver]Has awfully lot of vitamin A, so you need to eat 1 can in 2 days
No.304148
>>304141I prefer water solution of vitamin d. I don't know why, but it just works better for me. Try starting with 5000 IU per day, that dose is generally considered safe. If you don't feel anything in 2 weeks, drop it.
No.304369
If I were american or had access to guns I'd have killed myself by now. First suicidal thoughts I really had intentions on were at 19~20 well over 10 years ago. I stuck through it and whilst some things have been cool, If i pulled the trigger all those years ago there wouldn't be regrets. A decent video game and a special meal from uber than costs 1 dollar delivered which usually would be 80 dollars aren't exactly worth the torture earth gives me
No.304370
warpwaning
No.304372
>>299368>How do you guys deal with fatigue, if at all."Shall live and die by the fuck you". If providence wants me to be a slave OK I couldn't care less. I can't seem to comprehend how the fuck I am supposed to do anything when I basically have two options
1. Wake up late and be sleepy all day
2. Wake up early and be miserable all day
I have realized that the amount sleep doesn't matter. I'm just fucked up by the Gods themselves. Days when I feel acceptably well happen as often as you find a pattern in white noise.
No.304385
>>299368OK, so, I am going to spill some *seemingly offtopic* idea: try optimizing your sleeping station.
Reasoning is that… so you *could* - *probably*, at least - get higher quality sleep, by not aching while sleeping.
PROFIT: you will recharge better for the same sleeping time.
CONTEXT: I mean, sleeping on trashy bed >>> bad sleep despite "proper" hours of sleep >>> fatigue… >>> errors
Details: well, it happened to me! Twice or even "thrice"!
1. I had a too warm blanket. A wool blanket, "normal" for an old house, was too warm for me in our brand new heat-insulated apartment. I bought a cotton blanket - half the insulation - for 20$ or so recently and woke up so well-rested I remeber thinking "and… how come no one have told me this before?!?!"
2. I got a cool matress this year! Slapped it atop my cheap "sofa bed" with a huge crack (two 200x70 sleeping cusions, but not a single 200x140) My back finally stpped aching.
3. Also, I got a good big pillow (I am a big person, as in both tall and fat)
Without it, I have a harder time sleeping
4. AC in the summer. (Or a dehumidifier and a bunch of spare water bottles, at least… not sure if that's a good idea though)
5. Get a set of disposeable nose expanders to see if your sleep improves. If it does, well, check yourself for "Sleep apnea" stuff. REASON: What if you *need* a CPAP mask but you don't know about it yet?
No.304387
The solution is getting diagnosed for adhd and getting precscribed stimulants. If you can control to urge to binge them, and take them as prescribed - it is LIFE CHANGING