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I can't deal or interact with people, meaning I will never have the connections and social skills needed to get and hold a job, meaning i will never be able to survive, leaving me with no option other than offing my self, I feel as if this world existed to make things worse for me.

[–]  No.299384>>299385>>299479>>299480

Who convinced you that you have autism? Judging by your low-res TKMZU weirdcore dreamcore age-regression sad succubus cry image, I'm assuming it was one of you Discord "friends"?
>meaning I will never have the connections and social skills needed to get and hold a job
Go to the job agency, temp agency, or look at local cvlassified ads.
>I feel as if this world existed to make things worse for me.
All 16 year olds feel this way. Give it time.

[–]  No.299385

>>299384
I.D.K mate, i know this stuff is totally over-blown, but i really can't communicate or interact with others, except for my own mother, and even then i often times speak way too fast, with other people including my own father i struggle with small talk even.

[–]  No.299386

>All 16 year olds feel this way. Give it time.

I will be 24 y.o in around a week, i just feel too weird and alien amongst and in front of everyone, i never had a friend I.R.L, my relationship with my parents is fragile too, barely ever having any in depth conversations or talk about anything.

[–]  No.299404>>299414>>299421

Just ignore the post by the retard who claims autism doesn't even exist.

You have autism but you can still live a good life if you get on neetbucks or disability.

After the financial side is settled you can full-on concentrate on hobbies and all sorts of interesting projects to pass time with.

[–]  No.299414>>299419>>299429

>>299404
I am not clinically diagnosed, i just have zero connections to any other human being, I cannot imagine what it's like to have any sort of relationship with another person, to have someone who wants to talk to you or be around you. What it's like to enjoy being around another person.

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>>299383 (OP)
why cant you just be a janitor or stock shelves or work in a warehouse?

[–]  No.299419>>299420

>>299414
could be either childhood neglect or autism

[–]  No.299420>>299428

>>299419
Or it could be the fact that he never actively tried to form strong relationships, and nobody forced one upon him. Stop blaming parents + AWTIZUM for everything

[–]  No.299421

>>299404
>Just ignore the post by the retard who claims autism doesn't even exist.

Usual advice from the "autism doesn't exist" guy:
>You're fine, how you feel is normal, you're young, you can do things if you put your mind to them, don't start taking drugs, try new things, avoid faggots on the internet, get bux and buy stuff you enjoy"

Usual advice from the "you have autism" guy:
>It's over, you're an autist even without a diagnosis, you will never be able to do anything, it's too late to change, normies will make your life hell, see what pills you can get, might as well kill yourself if you can't get disabilitybux"

And this is why there are multiple "autism doesn't exist" guys - because the "you have autism" guy seems hellbent on making wizards sad and suicidal.

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>>299420
You do realise that no, not a single child, growing up normally and healthy in a functioning family and education system has ever needed to force or even actively try to form a friendship? It's just what naturally happens to them by being the way they are. You are retarded for pushing your agenda of saying that you just didn't try hard enough. Normies don't try anything. They do it because they like it, in fact they can't help themselves but form connections, they don't spend a dime of energy for that, they just do it because they can't not do it, it's pure instinct. If you have to try to form a friendship as a child then goodnight to your childhood. As adults it might be different, but for children? No.

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>>299428
We're not talking about NORMIES here, brimless. This isn't /r9k/, not every post has to relate to The Normalfag Horde in some way.
>You do realise that no, not a single child, growing up normally and healthy in a functioning family and education system has ever needed to force or even actively try to form a friendship?
No, I don't realize that, because it's not true. I grew up normally and had my share of friends and sleepovers but at the end of the day I had to fulfill a lot of those social obligations compromisingly, forcing myself to endure them when what I truly wanted to do was play Age Of Empires and Roller Coaster Tycoon. While the friendships were fun and good times were had, the vidya was preferable. As soon as I had the chance I decided to stop forcing myself to socialize and opted-in to just play games. And I believe this could be what our boy >>299414 has also gone through. I believe a lot of guys here in fact are without friends and social connections not because of:
>NEGLECTFUL PARENTS (can't change the past!)
>AUTISM (Can't change genetics!)
>LOW IQ (Nothing is my own fault!),
…but because at some point they found something more fulfilling than hanging out with friends and meeting new people, and after so long of doing mostly just that thing, these guys find themselves to be out of the loop and not confident that they can keep up with other adults.

Obviously we're both speculating on the cause that man's low social confidence but you seem to be butthurt that there are users here who don't actively blame everything and everyone else for their own shortcomings. And for that I LOL at you lol slap slap slap.

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>>299429
>No, I don't realize that, because it's not true
>I grew up normally and had my share of friends and sleepovers
>the vidya was preferable
I LOL at your lack of self-awareness
You don't realize the determinism because you were born normal enough to naturally slide into friendships. You never had the perspective that some of us did.
And you didn't CHOOSE to like vidya, you were born with that preference for solitary fun. That's why you naturally dropped your friendships once you realized you can have more fun by yourself.
Normies don't choose to be social out of their volition either. Doing stuff with other people gives them more feel good chemicals than doing the same things solo, as opposed to your case.

[–]  No.299431

>>299429
> I grew up normally and had my share of friends and sleepovers but at the end of the day I had to fulfill a lot of those social obligations compromisingly, forcing myself to endure them when what I truly wanted to do was play Age Of Empires and Roller Coaster Tycoon
I used to think this too. I didnt realise until my 30s that all the childhood relations i thought were 'normal' friendships were actually extremely shallow and uncomfortable compared to what good friendships mean to normal people. The word "friend" is extremely vague in western uses of english and doesnt distinguish between a profound connection or a classmate you barely even like spending time with. We preferred being alone playing video games because we didnt get along with the other kids and cant imagine what it would be like to have a close friend.

[–]  No.299433

>>299417
I don't live in a country with a lot of job opportunities, even the low-skill jobs you mentioned are scarce because everyone wants them and there are very few of them + I live in a town where we don't even have a single super-market, even getting a janitor's job would be something to feel lucky about, I don't have social connections or social skills.

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>>299430
>You don't realize the determinism
>And you didn't CHOOSE to like vidya, you were born with that preference for solitary fun.
This is it… The endgame argument of every dork that wants to not be held accountable for his own position in life…

P R E D E T E R M I N I S M

Can you feel it? The earth shaking… As it was predetermined to…

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>>299434
Not him but it's true though. You didn't name a single argument against predeterminism. It's all about genetics, parents, how you grew up as a child when you had no choice in changing anything because you are completely passively exposed to external influences. Later in life you can't change your personality at all. Neuroplasticity doesn't even exist except for traumatic experience or romantic relations. Look it up. It's scientifically approved that of you are fucked as a child you will be fucked your whole life.

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>>299434
It's a basic fact that we were all shaped by external factors. Once you accept that you can try to make sense of why you are the way you are. Then maybe you can be better informed to take a better path forward.

If you put it all under a magic bullshit delusional black box of "free will", "choice" etc then you're never going to be able to move forward in understanding. It's dumb and counterproductive.

It has nothing to do with taking responsibility for your situation. It's not my fault or choice if a cat sneaks into my house and vomits on the carpet but i can take responsibility for cleaning it up

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>>299436
>Look it up. It's scientifically approved that of you are fucked as a child you will be fucked your whole life.
OP wasn't fucked as a child though. Unless someone like you or some quack had tricked him in to believing that he was mentally unwell and hopeless to be happy when he was a kid. That would fuck a kid up. That would fuck a man up. Fuck off and die.

>>299437
>It's a basic fact that we were all shaped by external factors.
Nobody is denying this. What are you even on about?
>It's not my fault or choice if a cat sneaks into my house and vomits on the carpet but i can take responsibility for cleaning it up
Which is what we're all agreeing on. This issue here is that when it comes to actions taken and decisions made as a child, it's not all random stray cat puke. OP probably, like so many here, decided at multiple points that his own company was more enjoyable than that of others. That reading books and playing vidya was more fulfilling than playing outside with friends. Not because he was a sad depressed little goobaby, or because he has an undiagnosed neurodivergent high-functioning non-showing mental illness like aspertism. He chose the non-social options because they appealed to him particularly. And for him to have kept making the choice to do his own thing instead of bask in the company of others, time after time, in to adulthood, isn't "being fucked up". It's not his parents fault, it's not the NORMIES fault, and it's not even OP's "fault" because it's not actually bad that he is how he is now, because his situation isn't hopeless like you goons are making it out to be. He has just as much capacity to go out and get social experience as anyone else. His years of videogameing haven't neuroplasticized and chemically castricized him in to being a helpless lump.

The fucking state of this despicable board. We have a man saying his going to kill himself because he can't get a job due to not enough social experience, and a bunch of shitskin trannies flock in to tell him YEP, YOU WERE FUCKED FROM THE START! CAN'T GET BETTER! PREDETERMINED TO BE SAD AND DIE! It never used to be like this.

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>>299443
understanding before advice
I assume OP first and foremost wants to be acknowledged and accepted, then we can build from there
fixating on the autism part, and telling him to take responsibility for EVERYTHING that happened in his life is counterproductive imo, it will only make him blame himself and further affirm him in the belief that he is somehow inferior, because only an inferior person would make such 'shit life decisions' that would lead him up to his current situation
which is not true - everyone wants only the best for themselves, while the environment can be overwhelmingly powerful, negating all your intentions and efforts
just ignore the autism part, accept OP for who he is, make him feel welcome here because some people have no other place to speak their mind

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>>299443
Well, people on image boards all the time say things like they will off themselves. I myself have done it multiple, if not dozens of times over the last decade. You become desentezised to it and can't take it seriously after a while, I wouldn't believe that OP is actually going through with it. I mean really you never know and it would be sad if he actually did it over stupid fixable reasons but do we really know? Either way we can't know or truly deduce OP's situation and mental state from image board posts. Maybe he has autism maybe he doesn't, who are we to judge? Maybe he's serious about his dead threat maybe he's not, who knows? Most times it's for attention and it's difficult to discern it from real suicide posts. It's clear that OP does have mental issues otherwise why would he make such a thread. But it could be that he just comes here for acceptance, for channeling his thoughts, to shout into the void, to be hugged by like minded approving people like >>299446 suggests.

[–]  No.299448

>>299447
I am really not serious about the suicide part, i only said i am having such thoughts, it takes way more than future anxiety for me to actually attempt anything.

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>>299443
> He chose the non-social options because they appealed to him particularly.
Choices are an illusion. Those options appealed to him because he is neurodivergent or had an unhealthy environment

>it's not actually bad that he is how he is now

We're in a depression forum. Depression is deeply bad and undesirable

> his situation isn't hopeless

we'll never know enough about an anonymous imageboard poster to determine that. Maybe he will find some way to gain money and maintain a quality of life that is good enough to survive. Some people manage it, some dont and really do kill themselves. We also dont know enough to give advice how to deal with his particular situation.

>He has just as much capacity to go out and get social experience as anyone else.

absolutely not. The further you stray from the normal path, the harder it is to get close to taking any step on it. This is completely supported by scientific evidence. Some people with bad childhoods can improve their lives but they will always be damaged. Prognosis worsens with age if someone is continuing to experience trauma and failing to improve, my doctor said that to me directly because i am an asocial freak diagnosed with social phobia myself in my mid-30s

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>>299450
>Choices are an illusion.
Post discarded. absolute clown level argument lol. it's right up there with someone saying that burgers are tasty and then someone saying "technically not because tastiness is subjective"

[–]  No.299453>>299454

>>299452
I dont understand your argument. Either we are shaped by our genes and upbringing, or you're some religious nigger that thinks "choices" just spawn out of a magic soul or some bullshit. Pick one, you cant have both

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>>299453
Free will exists.

[–]  No.299455>>299456

>>299454
no it doesnt

[–]  No.299456>>299457>>299459

>>299455
Free will exists!

[–]  No.299457>>299458

>>299456
nope. I can feel it that i am predetermined to write this post

[–]  No.299458

>>299457
Well I was predetermined to not reply to you, but by free will alone I managed to do so

[–]  No.299459>>299460

>>299456
How can free will exist if you can't even decide freely to enter existence? The fundamental prerequisite of you being here and now is in absolute sense forced on you, you have no say in this. Even suicide in this way is never a free decision, you have to choose to do it in the first place because you were never free to not be conscious and thus not having to endure anything that could lead you to suicide.
Decision making is corrupted from the very start because it's not based on free conditions, not even to mention that decisions are pointless considering how many people regret their life choices or how many people have random events happening like accidents and illnesses that render their whole life and decisions useless as they just get fucked over and can't do anything about it.

[–]  No.299460>>299467

>>299459
People doing things to you, including conceiving and giving birth to you, doesn't violate the universal principle of free will.

Things being hard for you to do doesn't violate the universal principle of free will.

A fucking meteor slamming in to your house at 999,999,999,999mph and melting your face wouldn't violate the universal principle of free will.

You don't know what 'free will' constitutes and you are not fit for this discussion.

[–]  No.299463>>299464

Every thought and every option that is ever presented to you is the consequence of a "decision" or blind chance that happened before and outside of your control. Your mental architecture itself is an accident of the prime mover, whatever that happens to be, and the idea you have any agency at all is laughable.

We are rain drops pretending that we can fly.

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>>299463
>We are rain drops pretending that we can fly.
You are a college philosophy dropout pretending that you can decipher reality.

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>>299460
Again, not a single argument from you. Why do even type all this?

[–]  No.299468

>>299464
even from a dropout you'd expect they'd get spinoza's quote right

[–]  No.299469>>299470>>299477

>>299467
Arguing with predetermines is like arguing with anyone else who holds deep religious beliefs, because that's exactly what predeterminism is - a belief in some higher power, some sort of puppeteer authority whose fingers are responsible for every action in the universe. There's no point in arguing with them just as there's no point in trying to convince Hindus that there is no Vishnu, or trying to convince Jews that baby penises don't need to be sucked to prevent Satan from bestowing bad financial luck upon them. But what we can do is call them names so that malleable young people think twice about adopting such cultic nonsense.

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>>299464
I'm a chemical engineer with enough free time to write poetry.

>>299469
> Arguing with free-willites is like arguing with anyone else who holds deep religious beliefs, because that's exactly what free willism is - a belief in some outside context power, some sort of personal puppeteer that is responsible for every action they take. There's no point in arguing with them just as there's no point in trying to convince Hindus that there is no Vishnu, or trying to convince Jews that baby penises don't need to be sucked to prevent Satan from bestowing bad financial luck upon them. But what we can do is call them names so that malleable young people think twice about adopting such cultic nonsense.

You silly silly boys are advocating for something outside of cause and effect, but I do agree that it's fun to mock you.

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>>299470
Nobody is denying 'cause and effect'. What engineered chemicals are you smoking?

[–]  No.299472

>>299471
Alright; let's do this properly and not be screaming in bad faith

Assuming we use wiki definitions, the relevant observations are:

1. There is a chain of prior occurrences which causally determine each event.

2. An event cannot occur in absolute isolation because every event interacts with its environment for it to *be* an event.

3. Causal basis for events can be traced to natural forces such as gravity, entropy etc. calculated out to the edge of a field of reference.

4. As a system becomes more complex through the interaction of sub-systems and the root causes progressively more lengthy to detect and subject to mis-interpretation. Further, instruments to detect events and root causes begin to influence the subjects they detect - even in simple cases such as magnetism.

5. Cognition and will are events that occur in brain - or brain-like - physical systems.


Therefore:

For free will - the capacity for a human being to make a free choice - to be true one of those observations have to be false. I'll try and steelman them for example, by all means provide your own:

for 1. Any claim that something happened outside of a cause and effect chain is impossible - because it's equally impossible for the event to be observed without a cause and effect chain. If something happened, it had aftershocks. If there were no consequences, by what measure did an event happen?

for 2. Best I can do is the puppeteer argument - assigning some outside context force (the human will) agency over the physical world without any feedback. Even that breaks down because the outside context will is responding to events inside the context, or selecting options provided by the context because it cannot 'will' new ones into being through pure thought.

for 3. I can't figure out an argument to this one. Your decisions about what to do are built around your reward structure which is a consequence of genes and environment. You prefer certain foods because your intestinal parasites over however long secreted reward chemicals into your body to influence your sense of taste. You respond on image boards because your brain chemistry gives you pleasure to do so however obliquely. Those two factors themselves were forced on you externally by blind idiot chance, and from now until you die if you try to change one it's because I personally forced you to be aware of it, and whatever contrarian synapse circuit in your head is going to respond to it.

4. Refuting this is a textbook appeal to ignorance - "We can't detect the exact occurence of determinism in the brain, therefore it isn't real" and worse than wololo. The counterargument mockery of "We can't detect the presence of free will therefore it isn't real" is not equivalent, because it denies the observable facts of cause and effect.

5. "Thinking isn't real" for a poetic headline is an absurdism. For a true refutation, "Up", "Down" and so on are now capturable through brain interfaces for cripples and vidya gamers (but I repeat myself) - it's now possible to engineer mechanical responses to thoughts at this level, so "thoughts are just physics" is verified by not just theoretical science but now by actual engineering applications.


Now, if your contempt for pre-determinism is based specifically on the flavor that says "Some specific force with cognition set the universe in motion and decided everything that happened", that can hold water as a refutation, sure. Refuting Theistic interpretations of What Is was the foundation of scientific inquiry from the Mo Zi. But EITHER cause and effect determine everything OR there is free will, they are mutually incompatible by their basic characteristics.

>>299383 (OP)
You had a bad start, a bad continuity and are currently rolling poorly in your prospects ahead of you - you fix that solely through help from charitable people and a lot of *hard work*. Not everyone is up to it, not everyone gets the help they need - do what you can to make your time on earth as pleasant as possible if the prospects just aren't there.

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>>299471
Many people have pointed out the obvious incompatibility between free will and causality for a long time. Any time someone exercised "free will" it would be like a 'first cause' magically coming in and changing the laws of physics somehow. It is a ridiculous concept

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>>299473
but if it were without causality, it would be purely random, and that can't be called free will. it's precisely because there's reasons and motives that there's free will.

[–]  No.299475

>>299474
I think what you call free will is what >>299473 calls the illusion of free will

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>>299469
It's exactly the other way around though. You are making a claim that goes against physics and natural law. Free will is an assumption that is entirely metaphysical based on the belief that humans must be more than just a sack of meat on a rock. You don't want to give up your notion of it because it's hard to imagine that humans are not as special as you want them to be.

[–]  No.299478>>299482

>>299477
>it's hard to imagine that humans are not as special as you want them to be
But there is something unique about humans, that sets them apart from all the other animals. No other species builds skyscrapers, cars, airplanes, etc. I don't mean to say that it's all thanks to free will, but humans are special in that regard.

[–]  No.299479

>>299384
yeah man, come to dep and bully people who want to die. can mods start banning people like this?

[–]  No.299480

>>299384
bumbling retard stumbles in and hijacks a thread by trying to armchair diagnose op based on his op image then posts a bunch of unwarranted advice for normalfaggots. kys my man

[–]  No.299481

Kind of disappointed to see such oblivious "advice" in this thread on wizchan of all places.

Jobs

While I acknowledge there are "jobs" for autistic people out there, their rarity is such that this "advice" might as well be useless. You could have said "just win the lottery" and it would be more practical. The reason there are so few jobs for autists are many:

(1) spergs can have anxiety around people to the level that they would rather kill themselves than imagine confronting a person. Normie companies that have jobs "for autistic people" still expect them to 9 - 5 at the office.

(2) spergs can have side effects that differ day by day, hour by hour, that effects productivity. Businesses still want to earn a profit. How many businesses will hire someone that can't work the normie 9 - 5?

(3) regular companies have tremendous barriers against spergs because sperg facial queues are interpreted as emotional disinterest. HR interprets these communication issues as reflective of low job competency and wont hire spergs.

These 3 reasons are enough that the unemployment rate for spergs is like 80%.

Diagnosis

Coming to the thread and automatically doubting someone's experiences invalidates their suffering and is peak faggotry. It's like saying that their experiences aren't real which is a form of gas lighting. /dep/ has people here who are rock bottom and want to vent. I think its pretty fucking deplorable to kick anyone here while they're down. I don't think anyone here appreciates "advice" from people who have no background or qualifications in the subject, either.

Outlook

The world isn't designed for autistic people. Being autistic isn't a "difference" like eye color. It means you have a life-long disadvantage that will make everything harder or impossible. There is value in working towards independence. But being aware of reality (employment statistics and the job market) should keep things realistic. Until the job market has a place for autistic people its reasonable to stay on disability and not beat yourself up about it. Autism is a serious disorder tbh.

[–]  No.299482

>>299478
what is your point? What does that have to do with anything at all in the prior conversation?



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