/dep/ - Depression

Age old disease preached by Jewish religions. Stoics openly said if fortune has stopped favoring you then feel free to kill yourself. The door is always open.

They also said the goal of life is not maximize happiness but reduction of suffering.

Because they believe in karma, which doesn't exist

The universe is utterly completely random and humans are bugs

How do I get rid of my aversion to suffering without deluding myself into believing a jewish belief?

It's called coping

>>301429
Read Robinson Jeffers

Abrahamic religions are getting fully exposed in today's age for the cope death cults they are. Back in the day it was a nice concept for the peasants to belive that after dying they will live like kings in heaven after struggling through a shitty life. Nowadays the life only kings had back then is way more accessible to regular people and the whole illusion just falls apart.

Heaven is a faulty concept in itself, we would get bored on top of other issues that come with eternity. Rebirth is also not working out since this planet is not even sustainable and it also means that anyone who has a shitty life now might 'deserve' it which is indian tier elitist fuckery.

Buddhism also sucks ass because it just turns you into a submissive, passive retard who never wants any justice and it enables very fucked up people to keep on ruining peoples lives.

Any belief that requires you to struggle for no purpose or to be a passive bitch is poison.

>>301486
and a tip of the fedora to you too.

>>301486
DOES buddhism make one a submissive bitch?

relax into the buttsecks

>>301487
Im not coming from a redditors point of view. My point is that most of these beliefs are rather retarded and lead you on with a false promise. This doesn't mean that you should live like a slob or be a weak cunt which is exactly what the fedora redditors would do. Atheism can be just as bad for you when you approach it like them.

It's the survival of the fittest and human beings are animals. Anything that puts you in a passive position or makes you weak is bad for you. Abrahamic religions, reddit atheism, Buddhism and atheistic degradations of beliefs are always gonna ruin you. You won't get a price at the end of your life for being a good boy but you also are not smarter than everyone else if you're some kind of weak atheist slob.

>>301486
>>301489
Not him but what's your personal philosophy then? I agree with you on the Abrahamic religions being bullshit. As for atheism, I don't personally like atheism because I think atheists are making the same fundamental mistake as those who believe in the Abrahamic religions when they completely believe in something that cannot possibly be known with certainty. I think that a solid argument that some creator (or uncaused cause) exists but that taking that extra leap of faith and insisting that it must be the Christain God or Allah or what have you does not make sense. As for Buddhism, I am hesitant to accept it completely (I do not believe in reincarnation or karma) but there are some parts I think make sense. I think the core idea that suffering is caused by desire and that the ego is not actually you, that you don't really exist and are merely an illusion is a very good cope if nothing more. Being able to meditate and clear my mind has helped me a lot.

As for justice, you can call me a submissive retard or whatever but I don't think that pursuing justice is often unnecessary and will only cause suffering. For one, I don't believe in free will and have always been troubled by solipsism and this makes it very difficult for me to remain angry at someone for long. Not only do am I unable to prove that they are actually conscious, but I do not think that their actions are caused by something real that can make choices. I tend to think that my own conscious experience and that of others (assuming they exist outside of my mind and are conscious) as some kind of debugging output (like with a program when you make it print out the values of certain variables so you can see where it's going wrong) that you must experience as your body does whatever it's doing. This makes me not seek out justice for its own sake. I only seek vengeance if it will deter the perpetrator and stop them from bothering me in the future (whenever that applies) but I do not waste energy getting mad or trying to exact justice if there is no practical benefit to be gained from it.

>>301490
Great post.

>>301490
> I tend to think that my own conscious experience and that of others (assuming they exist outside of my mind and are conscious) as some kind of debugging output
This makes a lot of sense to me. Good metaphor.

Redemptive suffering maybe?

>>301490
Brother I'm not a debugging output, I'm a self-aware being just like you. Atheism only means that there is no god, nothing worthy of praise, a creator can still exist within atheism but he would not be a god.

>>301512
The point was not that you or myself are not self-aware. I know that I am self-aware, and I assume (without proof) that others are self-aware because it would be difficult to go about my life otherwise. The point I was trying to make was that this self-awareness may not be anything more than a debugging output whereby the body can experience what is going on "under the hood" as it goes about its business. It may simply be a byproduct of how the mind operates rather than the actual process of operation itself. By attempting to dissociate from this debugging output, one can experience relief from the suffering caused by our subjective interpretation of this degugging output (this is the essence of Buddhist beliefs as I understands them).

As for your point about atheism, this is more of a semantics debate but if you are willing to concede that some creator may or may not exist but that he would not be a god that should be worshipped then I agree with you.

>>301514
how do you know there's anything "under the hood" and that, if there is such a thing, it's something utterly different from what you call your (self) awareness or mind?

>>301522
I may not have elucidated what I mean by "under the hood" very well. I was simply referring to subconscious processes which are carried out regardless of whether or not the self is aware of them. It is obvious that many biological functions are entirely subconscious and cannot be directly controlled by conscious thought like the rate at which the heart beats. It may be possibly to indirectly control this to some extent but I will get to that shortly. Going back to the topic of subconscious processes, even things that are normally thought of as deliberate actions are subconscious to some extent. As I type this, my mind somehow knows where every key is located on the keyboard and I can type this out without looking at the keyboard and deliberately moving each finger over every letter. I know the order of the letters of the first row of a QWERTY keyboard and can retrieve that knowledge at will. I do not, however, consciously know where all the letters are but I can retrieve them in a roundabout manner by imagining that I am typing something out. For instance, if I wanted to know where the letter 'X' was, I could imagine typing out the word "Xylophone" and seeing where my fingers want to go (bottom row, left side). If I wanted to consciously exert some control over my heartbeat, I can change my breathing or think of things that would normally make me frightened or anxious to increase the rate at which my heart beats. I cannot, however, directly control my heartbeat. There is some kind of process going on under the hood that automatically responds to stimuli and causes physical changes in my body and this occurs regardless of whether or not it is deliberately induced. This occurs at higher levels than core biological functions. Note how people respond to hearing certain words or phrases. Are they deliberately and consciously changing their facial expressions and body language? Obviously not.

So the question is not whether or not there is anything going on under the hood, but to what extent the biological machine that is the human body is controlled by processes that the self or consciousness that one identifies with is unaware of or is aware of but cannot control directly (processes that are going on "under the hood").

>>301426
I want to die with the belief Ill go back in time and live my life again, this time with knowledge of stocks and bitcoin.