I’ve started describing myself as antinatalist, but when I’m honest, it’s not really about humanity as a whole, it’s personal. I don’t feel like my life should have been created, and that distinction matters to me. I’m pro-choice in the broad sense, but th

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Anonymage 01/06/26 (Tue) 05:27:44 No.305048

I’ve started describing myself as antinatalist, but when I’m honest, it’s not really about humanity as a whole, it’s personal. I don’t feel like my life should have been created, and that distinction matters to me. I’m pro-choice in the broad sense, but that belief also extends inward. I think autonomy shouldn’t stop at birth. For me, it’s less about hating existence and more about questioning why continuing to exist is treated as an unquestionable obligation, even when someone experiences it primarily as pain or burden. I’m curious whether anyone else feels this same disconnect, where the philosophy isn’t abstract or moralistic, but rooted in how you experience your own life.

So I find myself wanting to ask others: do you feel similarly, or is this way of thinking rare? Do you support choice in theory, but also feel trapped by the lack of choice when it comes to your own existence? I’m not looking for encouragement or fixing, just honesty, whether others carry this quiet belief that opting out should be allowed, even if they never act on it. I wonder how many people hold these thoughts privately, afraid to say them out loud because they’re immediately misunderstood as nihilism or despair, rather than a desire for agency and dignity.

Anonymage 01/06/26 (Tue) 06:59:54 No.305049

>>305048
Humans will naturally want to live than to die, but of course, we have been granted the intelligence to choose what we want to choose. So, if someone wants to die, no one can really stop them from doing so as it is not against the law. I do think most would see it as fine if the person is experiencing pain, but be confused as to why if the person isn't in pain. Also, religions disapprove of suicide so that is an important factor.

Anonymage 01/31/26 (Sat) 23:18:31 No.305619

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Become a superhappiness-ist instead

https://www.abolitionist.com/anti-natalism.html

>Benatar's policy prescription is untenable. Radical anti-natalism as a recipe for human extinction will fail because any predisposition to share that bias will be weeded out of the population. Radical anti-natalist ethics is self-defeating: there will always be selection pressure against its practitioners. Complications aside, any predisposition not to have children or to adopt is genetically maladaptive. On a personal level, the decision not to bring more suffering into the world and forgo having children is morally admirable. But voluntary childlessness or adoption is not a global solution to the problem of suffering.

>Yet how should rational moral agents behave if - hypothetically - some variant of Benatar's diagnosis as distinct from policy prescription was correct?

>In an era of biotechnology and unnatural selection, an alternative to anti-natalism is the world-wide adoption of genetically preprogrammed well-being. For there needn't be selection pressure against gradients of lifelong adaptive bliss - i.e. a radical recalibration of the hedonic treadmill. The only way to eradicate the biological substrates of unpleasantness - and thereby prevent the harm of Darwinian existence - is not vainly to champion life's eradication, but instead to ensure that sentient life is inherently blissful. More specifically, the impending reproductive revolution of designer babies is likely to witness intense selection pressure against the harmfulness-promoting adaptations that increased the inclusive fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment of adaptation. If we use biotechnology wisely, then gradients of genetically preprogrammed well-being can make all sentient life subjectively rewarding - indeed wonderful beyond the human imagination. So in common with "positive" utilitarians, the "negative" utilitarian would do better to argue for genetically preprogrammed superhappiness.

Anonymage 02/01/26 (Sun) 03:18:44 No.305623

>>305049
>we have been granted the intelligence to choose what we want to choose.
Yeah, we can do whatever we want, but we can't choose what we want.

Anonymage 02/01/26 (Sun) 05:43:22 No.305625

>>305048
Easy fix. If you dont like living, you are responsible for your own life and you should kill yourself (seriously). Killing unborn babies is making a decision against their will, even if they were concieved against their will too, they should decide if dying is the reasonable option. The fact that you dont have the courage to kill yourself, means that you truly dont want to die.

Anonymage 02/01/26 (Sun) 06:58:19 No.305626

The main argument for antinatalism is that life is not worth living, suffering is far more intense than pleasure.

A good society should abide by three rules:
1) prohibiting meat consumption, allowing only milk and eggs if animals are treated good
2) discouraging reproduction especially for humans because higher consciousness means higher suffering
3) allowing painless euthanasia to anyone not interested in continuing living

If people interpret this as nihilism they don't understand anything, we give value to living beings more than any religious cuck, we want to prevent the suffering of the unborn.

Anonymage 02/01/26 (Sun) 09:04:44 No.305627

>it’s personal
I think that's the way it is for everyone though almost nobody wants to admit that and they tell themselves that everything they think and believe is based on intellect and rational thinking.
>why continuing to exist is treated as an unquestionable obligation
Its a humiliation ritual and expression of power by those more successful. And sunk cost fallacy or something like it.

Schopenhauer was correct but only specfically for people like us and youre right that we shouldnt be calling normalfag niggercattle dumb just because they dont want to kill themselves.

Sorry to shit up your thread. Tranitor please just delete this post if its too low quality

Anonymage 02/01/26 (Sun) 16:45:22 No.305628

>>305048
>I don’t feel like my life should have been created
and yet the universe still decided to create you and everyday it keeps creating more people and lifeforms in general.
it also doesnt need to ask for permission because everything inside the universe is part of the universe and it looks like its free to do what it wants with itself, and what it wants to do is to create higher complexity and order, humans are the peak of this complexity.
I have no doubts that the universe is doing this everywhere, it creates life as a natural progression of its constant never ending development.
and the worst part of this is that there is no opting out. sure you can kill yourself but this doesnt solve the problem, the energy is not destroyed its only transformed into something else.
So basically when you kill yourself all that changes is your point of view and perception of the universe changes but death and non existence are impossible.
you are always there in some shape or form and there isnt any escape for as long as the universe exists and it most likely is an eternal thing that has always existed and will always exist in some form.