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 No.305152

When someone in deep depression shouts that there is no free will, what they are really saying is that everything feels trapped. It feels like their personality, their failures, their pain, and even their thoughts were all decided long before they had a chance to speak. In that state, the idea of choice sounds fake, almost cruel, because nothing feels like it could have gone differently. Life feels like a machine that produced them and then abandoned them inside its gears. Saying there is no free will becomes a way to explain why everything hurts and why escape seems impossible.

The reply, “you do not have free will, but you do have a will,” changes the frame in a subtle but powerful way. A will is not about being free from causes or history, it is about the fact that something inside still wants, still cares, still reacts. Even if every desire has a source, the desire itself is real. The wish for relief, for connection, for meaning, or even just for the pain to stop, is a force that has weight. Depression can bury that force under exhaustion and despair, but it does not erase it. Having a will means there is still something alive inside you, even when everything else feels predetermined.

 No.305153

People who go on about free will when they don't believe in a God are the biggest timewasters ever.

 No.305154

Everything has a cause, there is no unmoved mover, if we could know everything about the universe we would predict the future, it's like a movie

 No.305162

what a bunch of crap, in your everyday life you take several small decisions everyday, and at certain points in life you make big decisions which decides everything afterwards, everyone except 50 iq nursing home retards have experienced this.
the idea that this is somehow all fake is demented and I do not understand why people even consider it

 No.305163

>>305162
Some people might be drawn to determinism because it offers a framework where life’s events and choices are seen as the inevitable result of prior causes. They might look at the world and notice patterns, how genetics influence behavior, how upbringing shapes personality, and how societal pressures guide decisions, and conclude that these forces leave little room for true independent choice. In this view, every action is part of a causal chain stretching back long before an individual was born, and what feels like free will is really just the mind interpreting a predetermined sequence of events. For some, this perspective can feel comforting, as it frames personal struggles or mistakes as part of a larger, understandable system rather than random failures of willpower.

Others might be drawn to determinism through observation of human behavior and scientific reasoning. Neuroscientific studies, for instance, show that the brain can initiate actions before a person is consciously aware of deciding, which can suggest that our sense of choice is an illusion. Philosophically, determinism can appeal to those who prioritize logic and consistency over intuition, as it reduces moral and emotional judgment to cause and effect rather than mysterious free agency. While they may still act and make decisions in daily life, they interpret those actions as inevitable outcomes of prior conditions, and in doing so, they see the world as a predictable, rule-governed system rather than a realm of ultimate personal freedom.

 No.305164

>>305162
Can you prove that there is an uncaused event in your brain that takes arbitrary decisions?

 No.305169

When someone's in depression, they're depressed. Period.
>>305153
Does free will take a man in the sky?
>>305154
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_indeterminacy
>>305163
People are drawn to determinism to hype or to outsource responsibility.
>>305164
I just took a random decision to fart on the part of my screen your post occupies. I swear it's uncaused.

 No.305170

>>305169
>quantum woowoo
See video related

 No.305171

>>305170
That explains everything thanks.



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