No.305152
When someone in deep depression shouts that there is no free will, what they are really saying is that everything feels trapped. It feels like their personality, their failures, their pain, and even their thoughts were all decided long before they had a chance to speak. In that state, the idea of choice sounds fake, almost cruel, because nothing feels like it could have gone differently. Life feels like a machine that produced them and then abandoned them inside its gears. Saying there is no free will becomes a way to explain why everything hurts and why escape seems impossible.
The reply, “you do not have free will, but you do have a will,” changes the frame in a subtle but powerful way. A will is not about being free from causes or history, it is about the fact that something inside still wants, still cares, still reacts. Even if every desire has a source, the desire itself is real. The wish for relief, for connection, for meaning, or even just for the pain to stop, is a force that has weight. Depression can bury that force under exhaustion and despair, but it does not erase it. Having a will means there is still something alive inside you, even when everything else feels predetermined.
No.305153
People who go on about free will when they don't believe in a God are the biggest timewasters ever.
No.305154
Everything has a cause, there is no unmoved mover, if we could know everything about the universe we would predict the future, it's like a movie