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 No.306265

I feel like a lot of people, especially older normies overestimate the abilities of the average guy and the problems that are out there to be solved in real life.

There is this old guy I listened to for the past decade now called Eli the Computer Guy and he often repeats this mantra that a tech professional should go out there pick themselves up by their bootstraps and solve problems for money.
Solve real world problems for money. Provide solutions using your skills. Over and over again while teaching people about making toy cars with a microcomputer or whatever.

Issue is there aren't any problems the average guy is capable of solving that people are able to pay enough for to make it worthwhile.
Maybe I'm low IQ and not creative enough, but that is the point I guess.
The average guy that got a CS or engineering degree and is now doing menial tasks at a big corporation isn't going to create groundbreaking solutions because everything worth doing, all the low hanging fruit and obvious problem/solution pairs have been done to death, patented to death or worse.

Big tech is so big that they offer a solution so refined, so solid, so cheap that no mom-and-pop shop will ever give you the time of day if those even exist.
The average normie is quite content with a phone which is basically a toy-ified computer gadget.
They don't need more.
Most even run their own little business from it using a handful of cheap/free big tech tools that if you were to offer a homebrew solution for it would cost an arm and leg to maintain without economies of scale.

What does a network tech that wants to "solve problems" do aside from running cable? You could lease a 10G fiber line from a big ISP and sublet it by wiring up a small village I guess?
Then the government gives a huge fucking grant to big ISP and they just wire up every small village themselves leaving you with nothing.
If you are lucky you can become a subcontractor doing menial tasks for the big ISP in a set region.

What does the average coder do now? Especially with the future of them limiting hardware/software access? Every app is made that a normie needs. Kinda like with websites.
Every normie uses less than a dozen of them, mostly through apps…

Again I'm sure some 200IQ autist savant coders and engineers will solve major problems like they did coming up with AI and utilizing it, but really your average guy will be lucky if they can make something calling APIs of software made by these savants.

This old guy I mentioned talks about IVR systems, reinstalling "tuning up" windows XP computers and the like and you know what? I could do that too. I've the mental faculties to do that too.
I did that for myself when I was a kid. I figured shit out because it was simple. A monkey could do it if they had an English dictionary.
Unfortunately those skills are worthless now or close to worthless.

Even if you were to set up a PBX system for a customer why would they bother buying the basically ready made solutions that you are reselling instead of going to a giant vendor that has economy of scale benefits meaning it's cheaper… also big name for normies = better service.

Back to the point of being able to do that too… reinstalling, tuneups, etc. a good current example would be that Rossmann guy that solders PCBs for macs. That is an order of magnitude higher in complexity than whatever else a "PC shop guy" did 10-20 years ago.
Could your average joe do that? Could I do that? Maybe, likely not.

Nobody would give this guy the time of day today.
Again I admit, I'm a fucking loser that wasted most of his life. I've been working now for quite a few years and looking for opportunities to somehow transition to a stable form of life that isn't tied to employment, but the opportunities just aren't there. Not any that are within reach.
This is amplified if you aren't in a big country…

My father for example is an electrician and has his own (inherited) fields and animals too. Recently he was forced to work as a subcontractor because work wasn't available in any other form anymore.
Basically wage or get bent. Legal/green bullshit also introduced during the pandemic forced him to cull or sell off his animals due to the price of doing everything by the book.
The small/medium players are being slowly made extinct and legally impossible to start without insane capital.

Am I completely wrong? Even the people in high places have been heralding the day of the culling of the useless eaters for decades now.
Most of the jobs today are being closed not because of AI but because a lot of it was just make-work adult daycare.
I'm worried and I just don't see a future for myself. I'm not really physically capable, hell maybe you can tell from this writing that I'm not a gigabrain guy either.
How do you guys feel about things?

I think there just isn't much of a place in the world for me.
If they don't drag my country into a war (eastern eu) I'll still likely end up homeless someday and starve to death.
I guess I got filtered. Many in the past got filtered too. It just feels a bit more unfair considering how fast things changed…

DISCLAIMER: I'm not advocating against the NEET lifestyle. I was basically a NEET for many years and I get most of you might be too. Unfortunately I couldn't stay one and have no means to become one again.
I'm sure many wizards are in similar position. Hell I'd be fine and eat the bugs if they gave me a comfy small room with a PC.

 No.306267

Notice how you didn't even consider humanities or something that is not engineering related. How cooked are liberala rts degree? Especially, if you're an autist?

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>>306267
I've tried my hands at a general management degree (dropped out of course, was part of my go to college to semi-neet years) and have a half finished accounting certificate program under my belt as well.

What are you realistically going to do with it other than employment as well?
What solutions can you provide to what problems?

For example, in my country they (the central accounting whateverthefuck) basically declared accounting to be a dead career by 2040. As in, phased out, not existing. Most people working as small 1-man-business accountants are scrambling.
Everything is going to go digital and will be streamlined.
Worth to note that while the displacement will be gradual, if you are a newcomer to the field, similar to tech, you will be scrambling for positions against people with 10-20-30 years of experience.

Another point to that, the only hard skill of the entire general management course was accounting.

Where will you utilize soft skills and are they even worth mentioning for wizards? Realistically, again, you will be competing against normies with many years of experiences as the positions dwindle compared to supply.



I'll go on another tangent for physical labor, factory work and an aspect of this entire problem where there won't be customers able to pay.
In my country, people have been herded towards factory labor, now replaced by Chinese and Ukrainians slowly.
This meant that most of the CONSUMERS were working in international factories as laborers, or worked in positions that supplied these, logistics etc.
The second largest group of workers is various service workers, be it restaurants, small stores, big retail etc. and the positions that support these.
The third group would be government workers and the rest would likely be entertainment. Perhaps healthcare and education is a sizeable chunk too.

What does this mean? If the larger groups of earners are squeezed, displaced, unemployed, unemployable due to automation the adjacent businesses will suffer.
There is nobody to sell 1000s of $ of dental care to if nobody can afford it.
There is nobody to sell a döner kebab to if it costs 10€ now and is too pricey for most people.
Nobody goes to mcdonalds if a burger menu is 15€ and not filling.
Nobody goes to a mom-and-pop shop if they can barely afford a LIDL pastry.

You understand what I'm trying to say here? Liberal arts stuff often doesn't provide tangible value, so once the lower rank, lower skill people get fucked there won't be anyone to pay for such.

Artist are already feeling this in a major way. Nobody pays you a commission for some degenerate porn artwork if they can just sit at home and chase infinity dopamine by typing their OC into a prompter.
Hell musicians can't even sell their shit for 0.001€ per listen on stuff like spotify.

Again, you can argue that 200IQ savants can and will always make bank, but my entire post is about the average, me, the loser even

If you provide some liberal arts examples I'd be willing to indulge you further, but I can only share my thoughts.
What exactly do you mean by humantiies?

Psychology?
AI chatbots cost nothing and provide almost the same if not better value for the average normie. Real life psychologist is way too expensive for the commoner.

A general manager, or what they call in america a MBA (major business administrator? associate? idk) isn't going to be managing the 10-100-1000 AI agents.
Or at least not 1 manager for every 10 agentic workers… so culling will happen and the inevitable competition will only leave the top1% employed.

Hell even if you are a truck driver now. There are a TON of truck drivers that drive a truck as a last mile delivery boy.
If people consume less or not at all, will they need tons of these people delivering next day to some dropbox of a large webshop? Likely not. If consumption goes down even these logistics workers will be hurt.
If the small truck drivers will then go after the big international routes? More competition, less pay, again, the best of the best will stay emlpoyed.

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>>306269
Another TL:DR for the menial physical labor stuff. Even if it remains I'll be competing against the young who work faster, can endure more grueling tasks and work hours.
It's over for that too. I mentioned they import Chinese labor now too and those guys can work like machines I can't compare with my fucked body if I end up having to work labor jobs…

This entire thread was sparked when I was going to reply to
>>306260
in another thread.

>There is nothing you can do with a math degree except teach at high school or uni. The meme of some quant guy making lots of money is just a meme and is rare and requires further specialisation after getting a maths degree

If some high IQ guy that is capable of finishing (even if dropped out early) a math degree, but not enough to be considered a savant can't find a way to utilize the knowledge, then why even bother with anything?

Again I just posted this separately because it would have been off topic mostly. Hope to hear the thoughts of others too.

I tried to have Gemini and ChatGPT come up with something and first they summarized my post nodding in agreement, then when prompted for TANGIBLE steps that can be taken they gave back reddit level "community, work on networking bro just be a normie dude, just find a niche for your bootstraps kek" type responses.
Crazy that even the chatbot can't come up with something.

Though it rephrased things in a more coherent manner than I ever could…

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absolutely based thread. you're 100% correct that it's wage or get bent. now to the part you've missed.

you're completely fucked, it's already set in stone. like you mentioned, the chinks work like machines 24/7. some slavs too i think but idk i'm not sure. meanwhile you are a descendant of the luxury generations that did fuck all. you're *genetically* bred for weakness. and now that it's times of crisis, you (and me and likely everyone else on this board), the weak useless faggot, is just going to get culled the fuck out of the game.

you say
>the opportunities just aren't there
nay my wizard friend. the whole fucking future isn't fucking there. it was never meant to be like this. weak people are supposed to die early and hopefully quickly. it's cruel, but not any less cruel than actually living in this hellscape world as a weak person.

but that was probably too nihilpilled. it's wage or get bent, as you say. gotta like the dick in your ass. yeah i see no fucking hope. no future. and i have a fucking degree in EE. useless fucking piece of paper i could wipe my ass with and never feel a change.



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