/dep/ - Depression

I don't think I'm ugly per se (I say this because I think a lot of people online will call themselves sub5 when they have no idea how horrible life actually is when people think you are ugly), but I have definitely felt a shift in how people treat me since loosing, and as a consequence shaving, my hair. I feel like a certain amount of goodwill that was there before no longer is. Mothers will regard me skeptically, sometimes with a little hostility when I walk past them and their kids. And yes, that situation you described at the grocery checkout or what have you, where the cashier is nice to everyone in front of you and suddenly isn't when it's your turn has happened to me too, many times. Again, I won't claim to know the full extent of what it's like to be ugly, I don't feel that I have been denied opportunities or anything because of it (though I still had hair back then, who knows).
But I think that the becoming public knowledge of these terms, looksmaxxing, mogging and what not will only lead to more overt bullying and such towards sub5s.

>>306678
I still recall I noticed this in my early twenties. I always had a feeling that this was my reality, but as I said I expected it not to be like that in the adult world.
Many a times in such queue situations at the doctors office and at government offices and the post office I'd stay behind in the waiting room and take note of how people interact.
What they said, how they said it, what reception and responses they received.

I thought I was just a turbo sperg and didn't notice my own retardation, but after trying to imitate normie way of communication it never helped.
So I had to conclude that it was only a difference in appearance.
My physical self as in my face and build as well as my clothing and belongings. Perhaps even my nasal voice on top of those.
No amount of eloquence or politeness changed anything. I'd reckon it made things worse.

Balding you mention is I feel where a lot of people will notice this. As you lose something you once had, become something regarded worse beyond your control.
I do notice at my workplace that the balding men are regarded as lesser or having more negative qualities no matter how they really act.
It's I guess instinctual for most people.
Hell I don't consider myself above this either, despite being quite ugly myself. I have caught myself judging people on looks alone too.
Oddly enough the initial (fake/made up) impression often matches reality.
Not always. It's rare for it not to.
I guess these people became bitter along with the decline or due to treatment they received. I can see that happening too. Maybe I'm like that too.

>But I think that the becoming public knowledge of these terms, looksmaxxing, mogging and what not will only lead to more overt bullying and such towards sub5s.
I dislike how it turned being ugly into a character flaw.
It feels like looksmax has codified it into that. Now most normies fully believe if you are ugly it's by choice. You didn't try hard enough since they had acne growing up, but now they look normal.
I hate this too.
So fully agree. It wont do us any good in the long run.

As for the overall notion of you saying you might not have it that bad. Fair enough. I can't tell. It's a subjective experience too.
I don't really know though if people of this site and generally those that are in a sphere with this knowledge really underrate themselves.
For example, this is purely anecdotal, but since I'm not longer able to NEET I have to leave for work, I'm at transportation hubs often and see a lot of people. Lots of youngsters since it's a college town and many high schools around as well.
The youth is getting taller and taller. More attractive as well in general.
So people at my age are not only fading in terms of looks, the "new generation" seems to be of better stock as well.

I've taken a look at graduating classes of the early 2010s to compare with the average passerby and again, anecdotal, but it feels like a noteworthy shift.
So in the long run I fear the treatment I / we might receive will only get worse.

>>306681
It was similarly shocking to me at first too. I always had a high forehead and a "mature" hairline, that was simply genetic. I didn't really notice it creeping back until I saw myself on a picture someone took of me a few years ago, which is when I decided to just shave it and be done with it. After all, it's just hair. However the "adult world" I expected seemed to care a lot more about this than I initially thought. And it definitely felt unfair. That I was being punished for genetics that I have no control over. And then what you mention the normie perception that being ugly is a choice or your own fault. There's definitely a strong push for men like me to hop on various medications or treatments, spending thousands for hair transplants and the like. It's all just profiting off of people's ostracization. Not necessarily their insecurity, as I believe a lot of that insecurity is bred by those people's surroundings. I think the pressure to keep up with this "looks inflation" is only increasing and many fold under it. Personally I think it's better to make your peace with your station in life (if you can) instead of desperately clinging to fulfilling standards that will change again at any time.
Normies generally have this belief that everyone gets theirs in life. Poor people are just lazy, ugly people must be unlikable and so on. They will blame things like "your vibe/energy" being too negative which then makes people react negatively to you. Even though as you correctly pointed out, most of those people came to be that exact way due to the negative experiences they've suffered at the hands of normies to begin with. Lookism is in a certain way natural, probably. We are wired to judge strangers as quickly as possible with as little information as possible. But there's a difference between natural and right. And despite normies all standing up for the thing "du jour" because it's just and right, they will gladly ignore their own misdeeds and claim to be righteous.
I have also noticed what you are saying though, younger generations being taller, more stylish, pretty etc. and generally more homogenized I think. The great dying out of subcultures in the 2010s is almost nearing completion it seems. It is not uncommon for me to see a group of young people where everyone has the exact same haircut, same outfits and so on. The pressures to conform are increasing in that regard as well and it only makes you stand out even more if you don't adhere. It might be cope but perhaps it's better to be forced out of this game instead of having illusions to play and win.

Not only that, but I've noticed that invasive cosmetic procedures are more normalized now.
I don't know if an average person is getting under the knife, considering how expensive it is, but I definitely see lots of discussion about cosmetic procedures like it's the most normal thing ever.
Even I got my dose of surgery shilling. I'm not balding, but my features definitely matured into less pleasant ones as I aged, and I asked AI how to fix that, with fashion or correct posture or something. This stupid clancker suggested me an invasive cosmetic surgery without asking. I was offended, to say the least.
And I'm not sure how normal it is, but I'm sure like 60% of succs or more are getting under the knife or get non-invasive treatments. My own mother gets injections due to her "aging" even though I tried to reassure her she looks perfectly fine for her age since she is not a lazy slob and lives a healthy and active life. But nooo, of course she has to drop thousands on some stupid lip filler. Anyway…
And men do it too with the normalization of looksmaxxing. You are a loser and have zero friends? Get a surgery, it's the answer to all of your questions!
I just hate how predatory it is.
People say you shouldn't get a surgery for others and only ro raise your own confidence, but really, most people getting surgeries are perfectly fine. Have you seen most before/after pics? Those people look mid as hell, yes, but nothing terrible. They probably were insecure as fuck and blamed something like a slightly oddly shaped nose on all of their life's problems. And of course then plastic surgeond jump in and suggest that their life sucks because of that "flaw."
It was understood before that cosmetic procedures were for truly ugly people like burn vicitims and people with birth defects, but now, having funky looking eyes is a legitimate reason to smash your skull into pieces and rearrange it again. Truly sickening.

>>306682
>Not necessarily their insecurity, as I believe a lot of that insecurity is bred by those people's surroundings.
I also believe this and anxiety in general is just adaptation to ones reality.
Somehow if a beaten abused dog behaves and reacts a certain way people understand this. If a person does so somehow the same connection is not made in the normie mind.

>Personally I think it's better to make your peace with your station in life (if you can) instead of desperately clinging to fulfilling standards that will change again at any time.
Agreed. Still. The bare minimum adjustments need to be made ie. don't have an offensive stench if you can help it and basics like that.
Aside from that everything else seems mostly futile.
Consuming oneself mentally is not worth the negligible or non-existent rewards.

I'm glad you pointed out the homogeneity of the youth. Might be rose tinted glasses, but during my youth 90's 00's and prior it seemed there was a lot more variance.
Maybe I'm just blind to the subtleties of the current trends.

To share something positive. People tend to hate on the "globohomo" digital serf future.
I for example benefited from becoming a "digital citizen" because now I can handle official forms without the in-person humiliation rituals. It's all automated and the form in the application doesn't care about my looks.
Of course there are many negatives regarding this which are beyond this thread/topic. Just wanted to point out that there are ways to navigate the world even if one is born less fortunate in terms of looks.
Maybe people can share similar tips or options/paths for other stuff.

>>306684
>Not only that, but I've noticed that invasive cosmetic procedures are more normalized now.
It's terrifying. I've seen many people talk about eye surgery, or those eye bone grafting lifting idk. It's insane to me.
My health isn't great already, I would never ever risk it for looks.

>I was offended, to say the least.
Do you believe the minor suggestions (fashion/posture) would have been really helpful? AI often feels like a compilation of reddit posts, no offense.
I do google searches with "reddit" often myself since most other stuff online now is SEO sites made in India, but you know what I mean.

>60% of succs or more are getting under the knife or get non-invasive treatments.
Yeah some kind of injections and non-invasive cosmetic procedures are sure common. My mom and sister also took part in such things.
These things used to have a certain stigma to them, but they have been rebranded, repackaged and now people simply do it.

>Those people look mid as hell, yes, but nothing terrible. They probably were insecure as fuck and blamed something like a slightly oddly shaped nose on all of their life's problems.
Yeah the social media distortion for normies. Same goes for the push of psychologists/psychiatrists too. Therapy for all. Lol.

I wonder how many of those average folk actually experienced anything negative. Like bullying or the stuff I mentioned before.
Wish there was some sort of way to study this, like how much is it really just in their head, them comparing themselves to the top0.1% photoshopped models and how much is real painful experiences.
I really don't consider "mid" as an insult. Most people simply are average, but what is average was long distorted.
I bet for succubi specifically it's other "mid" succubi that make snide remarks to eachother to sabotage. Seen it with my sisters friends too. Pushing eachother to ruin themselves. Ridiculous.

For men specifically there really is this sense that if you aren't at the top or trying to be, why do you even bother to breathe?
Very odd to me.
Then again, if you put it in context of our crustacean counterparts yearning for succubi and they can't find fulfillment without that, I guess it's somewhat understandable even as an outsider.

Again who knows. Maybe I'm just arrogant and it's all in my head as well. Or perhaps their struggle is just as real and caused by external factors.