/games/ - Video Games

Games these days just suck.

>>62773
Many people waste literally 40 minutes fighting and losing to a generic Dark Souls boss just to learn the patterns and defeating them.

>>62773
You're just saying that I'm lazy then?

I find most games boring these days. I prefer pure gameplay with little to no dialogue.

I have similar feelings, early 30s too.
I often lose interest as soon as I realize what a game is gonna be about until completion, as soon as a routine sets in inside the game. And at that moment, the whole thing appears like a big waste of time.

For example, I played Dark Souls for the first time earlier this year. It's a great classic, right? I wanted to finally see what all the fuss was about.
So I played for a while and beat the twin gargoyles bird thingies on top of the cathedral roof.
But the next day I was busy with something, and later I just never felt like launching the game again. This prospect of going through this loop again in yet another area, carefully timing and avoiding attacks through groups of enemies, making it to the boss, learning its patterns, struggling in frustration for a while, and then beating it, suddenly felt totally unappealing.

Another example, yesterday I downloaded Legend of Grimrock, played for about an hour, and after the third time finding a key in some corner to open some gate in another corner, I just closed the game, realizing I wasn't having fun at all. RPGs are especially hard to enjoy for me now.

>>62779
Just thinking about the common gameplay loop of locating a locked door then having to find a key to progress to the next area, then a door being locked again and needing to find a key again over and over, makes me feel tired.

>>62781
>There's aspects of Demon's Souls that play into old school level design, like finding a fire sword to defeat enemies weak to fire in another level, or each level having different themes that encourage different playstyles, which simply aren't present to a significant degree in Dark Souls.
This reminds me of King's Field, which I did enjoy. And the items felt meaningful in King's Field, while in Dark Souls it felt more incremental, and at that point in the game I was starting to use those titanium shards to improve my stuff. I don't know what comes later in the game though, I'm sure there are some cool items.

>Its important to ask what you even enjoyed about games in the first place
I think my problem is that I've just seen too much by now, it's harder to be genuinely impressed or surprised by a game. I'm probably wrong in many cases, and don't give games enough of a chance, but the feeling is there nonetheless, and it's really hard to continue a game once that feeling comes, where I feel like I can more or less predict what awaits me if I continue playing. This is especially the case for RPGs, anything that involves numerical stats and growth of those stats over the course of the game.

>If you are just playing for the "experience" via the story or whatever, to be taken along for a ride on some adventure in an act of escapism
This would actually be good for me, if I could return to that state, enjoying the game for what it is without trying to figure it out in advance, compare it to other things or view it as a product of its genre.
I think I just don't like videogame RPGs anymore, simple as that.

>>62779
I agree, gaming in general seems a quiet waste of time, I don't know, I really got turn off and dropped the game when I learned that Person 5 Royal was like 90 hours to finish, like? Really? That 90 hours you won't get back, granted the game is cool, the story and characters are cool too, but 90 hours? Really?

>>62781
I cool the get to master a game and stuff, and I respect if people really get it this feeling from a game after years playing, but at some point, to me at least, some game aren't worth your time, and you have a very limited time on this planet, after some age you need to really start to filter stuff, not all games are worthy spend hours upon hours on it, you need to spend your precious time better, I'm not saying to stop playing games, my point is valuate if is worth to spend like 100 hours mostly grinding on a game.

>>62783
Not all people are like you with some inborn capacity to extract value from grinding in a game or getting mastery from it, some people value other things, you don't need to be rude and assume people are "robots" for not wanting to waste hours upon hours trying to master an artificial system.

>>62789
90 hours, god damn.
The last JRPG I played was Final Fantasy 4 and I thought it was dragging by the end. A mere 20 hours to finish.
There is really is no good reason for these games to be so long. At least I don't see any. And to add to the offense, so many of those hours are just busy work.

>>62793
90 hours on JRPG is something else, I don't know, there must be a sweet spot of hours that game need to have, depending on the game genred, granted that RPGs need a more long time to developed the story and all, but you can cut some corner in the games to make a more streamlined "objective" core gameplay-story loop, you can have some optional mini games for wasting time and all, but the main core game shouldn't be to short nor to long.

>>62797
>anime are mentally stimulating

lmao

Now you're just showing that you're delusional, dumb, or both. You just projecting your dumb bias unto people.

>>62797
>depressed

Why are you projecting your delusion unto me, nigger? I ain't depressed, I'm just weary of investing +90 hours on a game, are you what? 16 years old that don't a care for the world? You sound extremely immature and arrogant, I thought people have are above +25 to post here, not some 20 something kid, grow up nigger kid.

>>62803
You are literally calling people "robots" or "depressed" for not agreeing with you for wanting to invest hours and hours into a game, you are the one sounding dumb and arrogant here, grow up, kid.

>>62806
I ain't begging for attention, nigger, I want to know if people at my age feels the same, or it about the games or other factor, have a healthy discussion about the length of game and stuff, until you show up and starting talking shit about people here, get out of the thread and hide it if you don't like it, retarded.

>>62778
Board games are straight up pure gameplay and with a good time/effort ratio to it.

>>62810
What's your thought process behind what you do?

>>62815
Are you a NEET?

>>62816
yes

>>62818
age range?

>>62820
>>62820
You don't seem very wizardly like

>>62815
youre pretty chill and I vibe with you nocap

>>62824
what can I say. you defined me so well I had to reply.

>>62822
Fair enough, can't really disagree with what you said.

https://test.mensa.no/home/test/en

Post the IQ result.

>>62827
I want to see if my idea holds, you seems to have a good capacity for introspections and some good reasoning, I'm wondering if because you have high IQ or is it because of some underlying mental capacity not captured by IQ, you do the test post the results, that's it, I'm not making some wiki dossier or something, just testing my idea.

>>62829
Your IQ is 125.9 or rounded to 126, you're smart than 95% of people in the USA.

>>62772
The reason you start to think this, might be that you just grown tired of them.
if you have been gaming since childhood, you probably start to recognize patterns among games and grown bored of them.
think about it
>pokemon, final fantasy ,dragon quest, earthbound
>different on the surface(story,setting,theme), but mechanical speaking similar but with a few tweaks.
>grinding being present on a larger or lesser scale.
after dozens of games, the "magic" just fades away. finishing a RPG was fun the first time, but will it continue to be fun after having played dozens of RPGs from different studios?

>>62810
>>62815
You hate lazyness in itself or is something else?

>>62835
I thought this was it too, but then i tried playing old games and enjoyed it again. I think it's a combination of your theory and also that new games are simply bad. You need novelty but you also need the game to be good quality.

>>62842
never used it in my life

>>62841
I know it can be the effect of nostalgia goggles. But I also feel like older games were made with care to make something good.
they did the best they could with the resources they had. Games now are released in a unpolished state. they are also design with maximum milking in mind. Before they at least tried to ensured that any extra paid content justify the price. even if it was just cosmetic stuff. sims 2 stuff packs gave you 40-70 new cosmetic for around $10(what I remember they cost in stores in my country). Meanwhile today some games charge you $2-5 for single skin. Tomb raider(2013) had the audacity to charge you $3 for a 5 minute worth of gameplay dlc.
Gaming as a whole seems to had spiral down since 2005.

>>62846
>Gaming as a whole seems to had spiral down since 2005.
That's because up until around 2005 games were made by passionate geeks, for passionate geeks. Then businessmen saw the potential of le gaming, and started making uninspired generic slop for normies. They brought their large business running practices, and marketing magic, and turned gaming into yet another soulless entertainment for the masses. Zoomies who can't enjoy these "old" games are that way not because they lack nostalgia, but because they lack what drove us to gaming back then. Were we in 2005, these same zoomies wouldn't play games at all. They'd be out partying and dating.

>>62849
That question is incoherent. If you dont want this to be like /v/ then how about you just make your point? You're being extremely unclear and your messages arent making this a pleasant conversation

>>62853
Answer my question!

>>62856
But you never made an opposing argument. You just got butthurt because someone used the Z word.

>>62849
you just sound butthurt that someone called your modern games trash.
why should anyone care about what someone as petty as you have to say?
>>62847
>>62846
this is the observation of people who were around the gaming scene 1990-2005.
if you don't agree that's fine. Go back and play fortnite and roblox!

>>62860
And the dissection is fantastic every time!
I've been playing the same game for 15 years and can't get enough of it!

Okay, I get it now.
You chase novelty, sensation, you like discovering new things and being surprised. New is good because it's new.
Sadly, this is the attitude of a normie :( who likes the latest newest piece of slop.
But when you've been around for long enough, you start seeing the same patterns, but executed increasingly worse. New things start losing their charm, it becomes obvious that the new is just regurgitated old.
Real OG wizards have no need for new. Old is gold.

I bet you're so hyperactive, that you constantly feel the fear of missing out - watch out, you might miss the release of the latest big platformer bing bing wahoo skibidi fr fr.
Don't you feel you're missing out on sex too?

Also, no one talks about it, but truly inspired games, music, movies, art in general - was inspired by experiences with drugs. The modern world is so boring because people either stray from drugs, or they take the wrong, synthetic drugs that boost productivity, but kill creativity. The modern world is unbearably mundane, it severely lacks insanity.

>>62862
>There's a path to not being a miserable retard, and you are definitely not on it.
oh? and what is that path pray tell? what necessary step must one take to become a cheerful idiot?

>>62858
>nothing has ever been wholly original, everything, since the dawn of time, is built on the backs of its predecessors
there is some truth to that, but you think people are blind or something? you think they cannot notice what direction something is going?
>How can we improve FPS?
>I know we add loot boxes!
wow what a fantastic development! the new is basically the old with minor adjustment and with micro-transaction!
we are not going to increase the scale of the games?
>128vs128 instead of 64vs64
>destructible environment becoming the standard
>smarter bots instead of just trying to do away with them
>maps dedicated to a certain type of warfare(night battle, urban warfare, bush warfare, etc)
>environmental hazards, must stay hydrated on desert maps, must stay warm in winter maps, wildlife itself pose a danger in forest/jungle maps
there is so much they can do to expand their games, but they won't! no one is saying that "old good and new bad" just pointing out the lack of innovation and things developing in the wrong direction. Wouldn't be surprise if the lines between gambling and gaming is blurred in the future
given the current state.

>>62810
>>62815
What happened to this guy? He gone? He had some valuable insight, wish dude would spill out some more insights.

>>62863
he is telling you to play games outside of your comfort zone. seems to interpreter the conversation as "old good, new bad" and took offense to it, talk about having thin skin. no idea why he brought up CK2 and CIV, both belong to series that have evolve over time the CK series for the better with new/refined mechanics. you can see a notable improvement from civ1-4, couldn't bother giving civ5-6 a honest attempt, mainly because each turn takes eons to process. which proves our point about devs not caring about making a good product.
>I don't care to optimize my game, civ-players just have to deal with having their time wasted!
think about it, if you play a standard game of civ(500 turns), if each turn takes about a minute on average to process, we talk about more than 8 hours of your life being wasted for each civ session.
a game that doesn't respect your time isn't a good one in my opinion. But Firaxis couldn't be bother to ensure that each turn only takes a few seconds to process like in the previous games.
after all it isn't their time being wasted, it's the players'.

>>62866
>play games outside of your comfort zone
even vidya must be turned into a chore for the sake of improooovment?!
what next, should I turn gaming into a hustle?
maybe if I were a /dep/ NEET too bored for anything, I would take this advice
but as a wageslave I have enough chores and too little free time
I'm not going to spend my precious free time on things I don't want to do

>>62868
Do you enjoy hard work or derive pleasure from it? I'm a lazy NEET wiz, and I curious about your mindset, dude, I find it refreshing in a sense that many people here go the full LARD route.

>>62870
>people work hard to feel good
when I read posts like these, I feel blessed to have this ability to derive infinite pleasure from putting things in an order, or acting according to an algorithm

>>62872
Illegal meme.

>>62873
when was the last time you saw it?

>>62868
How old are you?

>>62867
then you play games to "cool off" that is fine. the only dense(good balance of effort, time and enjoyment) genre that I can think of is racing, fighting and puzzle.
>maybe if I were a /dep/ NEET too bored for anything, I would take this advice
Even for a NEET this a bad choice, you must truly not value your time if you sink all that time into "gitting gud" at complex autismo games. a week to learn the basics then a year to master it. Now I'm assuming you play these games all day. Sinking all that time into fitness is a far better choice, I bet you could even learn enough programming to make your own game. At least these skills will carry over to other parts of your life. obviously I'm not some "quit gaming"-guy since I'm here. gaming is part of my life but not all of it.

>>62861
>new is just regurgitated old
not necessary a bad thing if they execute it better. undertale didn't do anything that haven't been done before. but the game got the execution right and got a massive fan base.
>executed increasingly worse
this only holds true for some big names devs. You will have the venture into uncharted territory to find good games.
You cannot log into steam and expect them to deliver you the games you want on a silver plate. bethesda and ubisoft have shown they don't care about optimizing and polish their games.
this wasn't the case with ubisoft before, if you play their older titles. what I'm telling you is since big AAA studios fails to deliver, you will have to look elsewhere.
with the amount of money they make from the slop(as you call it), they are not going to change their ways anytime soon.
indie games tend to be hit and miss. Generally you will see them try to introduce new ideas or refinement, they don't always succeed however. it's kind of hard to figure out how to help you
unless you give more info regarding what games you play and what you want from them.

>>62868
wait, are /wiz/ and /dep/ actually larp fields for trolls?

>>62878
Still around, bro? What's games you like?

Im 27 apprentice and when I try to play a game I get bored after 5 min of play and I end my session of play. I don't know why I don't play anymore. maybe, like some said here, games are very shit nowdays. and I also want to make video games but I don't and maybe theres a conflict on what kind of video game I want and what the video game market has (which are games I don't like most of them and the other I have get me boted real quick)

>>62902
>games are very shit nowdays
You can still find good games, it's just that all the big names studio used to be good, often arn't now.
You will have to try out games from lesser known devs.
>I get bored after 5 min of play and I end my session of play
Like someone else said here, maybe you need to get out of you comfort zone. The games you used to like are now too simple for you and you need to try more "advance" games.
Going form Call of Duty to Battlefield, then from Battlefield to ARMA. Once you move "forward" in a genre, you can't really go back.
Used to like Command and Conquer, but once i tried Company of Heroes and Men of War. Command and Conquer felt too simple and easy.

These threads are always ridiculous. There's always this compulsion for people to say they're tired of video games, that you just don't see with other hobbies

Video games are literally the most diverse form of entertainment you can imagine. If you can't find one that keeps your interest, and you have a history of enjoying video games, then either you aren't even trying to find something you like, or you need to reset your dopamine or something

I wonder if it's because video games are an active consumption hobby that makes this more common. Even though movies have become absolute dogshit in recent years, it takes zero effort to sit on a sofa and barely pay attention but still "finish" it even though you aren't enjoying it, so you rarely see "I'm too old for movies now"

A lot of these takes I see are also from people who just follow whatever the "current thing" is, and no wonder you hate video games if all your do is chase modern FOMO slop. If all I ever interacted with were stuff like GTA 6, Assassins Creed or Remasters of things I played and enjoyed 20 years ago, I'd probably be bored too, but thankfully we don't live in that world.

Branch out a bit. Maybe you need more taxing/advanced games. Try Puzzle ones if you haven't before. Certainly better for your brain than doomscrolling. Genres that have massive skill ceilings that you'll never master: fighting, RTS, racing/time trials (look at CS:Source surf, or TF2 Rocketjump/Stickyjump or Quake 3 Defrag etc). There's a bunch more too. Anything that forces you to learn, think, adapt etc rather than just mindlessly hold forwards and press X until the next cutscene.

>>62911
>You will have to try out games from lesser known devs.
These tend to be certain styles of game though due to the small teams and budgets. I like 3D games for immersion but they are rare with indie developers. Only in the past where there often well-funded large teams that made good 3D games. In the current paradigm there are lovingly-crafted low budget 2D games often even made by a single developer (great for some people that are into that style, i have enjoyed some of those games for a bit), and huge budget corporate shitstain monstrocity AAA games, but there is a total chasm in-between.

>>62915
Youre completely delusional. People complain about other hobbies and art mediums all the time; all of them are in a state of horrific decay. I doubt you can find anyone that wont agree films, books, TV and music were all much better in the past. It's the exact opposite of what you're saying: only in games there are weirdos like you that get mad and deny the reality that new games are shit; in other mediums its just known and accepted. The variety in games compared to those other mediums is actually MUCH less too because of the insane amount of work and money it takes to produce a game. There are not many game engines and software libraries so they all end up looking and playing much the same. Any schizo can write a book or film movie or make a painting etc, so there is a tremendous variety there

>>62915
trvke

>>62916
>I like 3D games for immersion
no you just like big budget AAA slop for retarded teenagers and normalcattle. play old or smaller budget games or don't speak like you are actually into video games as a hobby. AAA has been mostly dead and irrelevant for nearly a decade now.
>"i need muh heckin hyper-realistic graphics tho or it's not a real game!"
faggot

>>62882
No, they're blackholes for low effort sad posters to sympathize with other low effort sad posters. There is nothing less interesting or constructive than that.

>>62878
Still around bro? What happen to lead you to have that mindset? Were you lazy before or you're "born that way"?

>>62772
Videogames are a juvenile hobbie. It's ok to like them when you're young, but as you age you're supposed to let them go. As you get older you start to worry more about life so you can't really enjoy games anymore. I'm in my mid 30's and I'm currently a NEET so all I do is play old games, but I hope that when I get a job (hopefully soon cause I need the money) I can get into a more boomer-tier hobbie, like online poker or sports betting.

>>62932
>As you get older you start to worry more about life so you can't really enjoy games anymore
Projection. Stop using "you" in place of "I"

>>62899
The mod gave me a ban and asked me to leave for being too positive so I guess this really is a honeypot for crabs. Now begins desperately trying to cover this up.

>>62934
>The mod gave me a ban
It was the admin who banned you.
>for being too positive
The specific reason given was that a quarter of the posts you've made in the past 4 weeks were just you whining about how Wizchan users are all dumb zoomer third worlders, and how you don't want to be here. You admitted that you're a 4chan refugee too.
>Now begins desperately trying to cover this up.
Well I am going to ban the Verizon Wireless range 174.228.N.N that you're evading with because the year-long ban for that range just expired the other day. I'll go ahead and delete all of your posts up until this one given that you feel as though us low-IQ wizardchanners don't deserve the blessing of your solid gold opinions.

>>62941
We don't do board-specific bans. All they do is make it easier for someone to start flooding every board with tangents in response.

If someone makes it clear that he's here out of some reluctance due to hating wizards and Wizchan's userbase, he's going to be removed for good. This user couldn't go a single day without 4chan, brought his attitude here instead, and was banned for rule 5 because of it. He immediately hopped on a proxy to play the victim. /games/ and /jp/ are where much of his whining took place.

I was playing Clair Obscur, it has been a more than a month and I yet to finish the game because I don't have much time to play it, it's shame, I think true gaming as you get older can only be experienced with short games or if you have the freedom of time to spend something like 50 hours of more into a game.

>>62789
>90 hours
I spent over 10k hours JUST PLAYING league of legends during my best youth years as a form of escape.
That doesn't count the consumption around it.
Spent 500+ hours on a ton of trash games if not more.
Honestly I would be willing to commit any and every atrocity to get that time back now.

To be fair I would just waste it all again… Root causes remain unresolved.

>>62841
Do you mean old games in general, or old games you have played prior?
Not a nostalgia rant, bear with me.

I fully believe that as we age >>62835 this certainly happens to a degree, but another thing that happens is that the minor differences end up being insanely frustrating.
You know it's a generic mechanic, you know it's not worth your time in all likelihood, but it is forced down your throat with 200 tutorial messages and a thousand made up words for the same rehashed generic mechanics.

The issue is? You have to learn it and master it if you want to be fully comfortable with the game. You can't just pick up most games, let alone RPGs which are the biggest culprits and jump in and play.
Without a degree of familiarity these games are outright unenjoyable.

I bought things like divinity original sin 2 and just couldn't be bothered. It's simple, but gives you way too many frivolous choices and mechanics that add little to the enjoyment of the game. Unless you are already invested, familiar and through your display of mastery you get results you enjoy.
The problem is that to get to that point it would take 10-20 hours of rigor. Trial and error is also insanely annoying in games like this.
In a shooter you jump in play with a loadout and if it sucks you lost 10 minutes.
In an RPG if you mess around with a niche build that sounds fun and plausible by reading tooltips, but turn out to be unusable you wasted a day or two with the added burden of having to backtrack or replay.

Yeah there are ways around this and ways to solved this, but let us be realistic and not ignore that this is a real issue.
If it's an old game you already spent your time with prior, you can literally boot it up and re-experience it, maybe even better than the first time around.

Also I have to say depending on what you consider old, some games like skyrim or Bethesda titles in general (even if morrowind and oblivion were more punishing) were more "jump in and play".
Non of them had any mandatory 3 hour hand holding sessions with insane amounts of info dumping.

RPGs like picrel are the absolute worst offenders too. Funny thing? I loved the game once I figured it out. Scroll savant got going, best wizard experience hands down.
Similar thing happened with pillars of eternity. Once I spent the grind to get to know it? Amazing.
They share one thing in common. Both had sequels and I bought them both, but I haven't played them either. Why? They are different enough from the previous games where I would have to spend a significant amount of time just to get comfortable with them again.
I'm not willing or able to bear this burden for games anymore. Maybe it's brainrot idk. (pic randomly from google, not my char, its an npc anyways)

TL:DR; For modern games to be enjoyable you have to LEARN way too much worthless information. As an adult at or past 30 most just can't be bothered to do this anymore.
Also I believe younger people don't want it either. Look at what is popular nowadays?
With 1-2 exceptions most games that are insanely popular are pure gameplay first.
Yes they can have depth, but understanding the depth is not a requirement to start.

>>62915
>mediums
it's 'media' honey

Person 5 Royal take a whooping 123 hours to complete, that's ridiculous, unless you have a good chunk of free time, that shit could take long time to complete.

>>62991
damn how can you play video game if you don't have time?!?

>>62992
Dude, Dead Space is like what? 12 hours max? Straight foward and good, Persona 5 Royal is 123 hours, how many games could you play in those 123 hours?

>>62991
You would be surprised how much game time you can put into a longer game playing just a hour or two everyday for a few weeks.
That said I prefer shorter indie games built around a tight story and more casual games I can drop in for a few rounds or do a daily challenge then hop off.

Rpg, open world, and grindy building games tend not to value my time so I play far less of them.

>>62991
>Person 5 Royal take a whooping 123 hours to complete
that isn't an issue if it's genuine good content.
But let's be honest most of these jrpgs just pad out the game time with backtracking and grinding.

>>62861
Drugs only make you THINK you created something amazing, and then you sober up.
Spiders under influence create shitty webs.

>>63012
intresting

>>63014
?

>>62774
I disagree, there some good modern games and even if all games make it right now are trash, you can play old games

>>63012
Wrong, you just aren't that smart to begin with then and are not a very good self-doctor. There is now a covert chemically inforced caste system (at least in my cuntry.). Without nutritional or drug enhancement one is forced into a cesspool of burdensome emotions and psychological abuse and harassment and slow mind torture that will certainly destroy and ruin anyone. The typical brain is barely even turned on.

there is always Progress Quest to remove the tedium of games, it is possibly a non-game