No.67150
>>67149I will just say careful with the weighted punches.
Even 5 pounds can cause issues eventually and it has no measurable benefits.
No.67155
>>67150Yeah I realized 5lbs are a bit too heavy for shadowboxing. I will use 1-2lb little dumbells.
No.67156
>>67155That is much more reasonable.
I worn people because I temporarily gave myself a shoulder injury shadow boxing with weights.
The later in life when I brought it up to a boxing trainer he spent a half hour making fun of me for being stupid.
Said it messed with technique, caused bad habits, and ironically made for slower weaker punches since it encourages far to much on using your arms instead of "punching with your whole body" and his favorite saying "putting your whole ass into it".
Was on the one hand a pretty good trainer, but on the other he got on my nerves. There were very few training sessions I left without wishing to get a hard clean hit on him out of frustration.
But yeah, it's a lesson I learned the hard way, and rather people not make the same mistakes I did.
2 pounds is fine. 3 might be the limit for a really big guy.
Basically whatever your gloves are doubled is a good limit. Mainly due to the extremely high volume making repetitive stress injuries real risk with higher weights.
No.67192
>>67156How can one learn boxing footwork and punches properly at home alone?
No.67202
>>67192>How can one learn boxing footwork and punches properly at home alone?You need to find good sources on YouTube that show you how to stand and move when boxing or how to throw an actual punch etc.
Another thing I highly recommend is just watching martial arts, preferably stuff like 'king of the streets' as these fights are closest to an actual fight. You will automatically absorb what you see and its also good to learn the dynamics of fighting.
For the actual training I highly recommend a boxdummy, if you have the money get a classic 'Century Bob' torso. Boxdummies simulate a person and working out on them will help you with techniques and also give you the muscle memory of actually hitting a body/opponent. If you have the space for both a bag and a dummy you should get both. Also get hand wraps to protect your joints.
Train the proper muscle groups but avoid counter-productive stuff for boxing such as bodybuilding. You need to do stuff that strengthens your core like pullups, pushups and deadlifts. If you strengthen your core you will notice how your stance and footwork automatically improve.
Have a good balance between bagwork, shadow boxing and working out on top of watching resources. If you keep this up for just a couple months you will see yourself making notable progress. Its the type of thing that you will easily get into if youre interested in it enough.
No.67226
>>67202Thanks for your sincere answer. I live in a third-world country, so it's nearly impossible for me to buy a boxdummy for now. I guess I'll only work on shadowboxing for a while.
>bodybuildingI hate it tbh but I do bodyweight exercises as you mentioned. Deadlifts are also not possible for me because I don't have a bar at home. I'll try to look up at alternatives, thanks again.
Btw, to get that steel-like body for condition, power and strenght, do you think 3x8-12 a meme? How should one train with those bodyweight exercises? I'm looking forward to your response.
No.67231
>>67192Realistically you can't.
You need the contextually and feedback of sparing and/or good padwork make such things functional.
You also have no external feedback to tell when you are doing shit wrong nor what you should be doing instead.
Solo training only really works if you already have decent experience.
Otherwise you just have to accept that you aren't going to make progress in a functional level. Just treat it like cardio kickboxing, aka just a workout, and not as a way to actually get better at fighting. Because it isn't.
No.67233
>>67231>and not as a way to actually get better at fighting. So if you have two people, same size and physical fitness with no previous fighting experience, but one guy have trained punching and kicking in a punching bag for a year and the other didn't, and you have to bet money in a fight between these two individuals, you would be so dense as to flip a coin to decide where to put your money? Looks like you didn't think this through.
No.67239
>>67233We have been over this in other threads especially the martial arts threads.
Untrained flailing at a heavy bag won't teach you to fight.
You will never learn to fight without fighting. You can't learn martial arts without feedback.
Your dumb unrealistic hypothetical doesn't change that fact.
Also no, the Untrained person that hit the bag for a year wouldn't be any better off in a fight then someone who just spent the year focusing on physical fitness.
I know you take it personally but it's just cope.
No.67242
>>67239The person who did bagwork etc. for a year will have a clear advantage to anyone else who did nothing.
No.67243
>>67242I am beyond tired of your bullshit.
Prove it or dich the retarded hypothetical.
Your declarations are baseless and your overall argument is retarded.
You can't learn to fight without fighting and you can't learn martial arts without feedback.
That is the reality and the whole of the truth of the matter.
No.67247
I'm thinking about buying some weights to do dumbbell exercises at home. I suppose those will be safer to do alone.
No.67248
>>67247Here here. The convenience of dumbells in terms of rapid availability and their low impact on space make them great all around. Opting for dumbells instead of barbells allows for more types of movements as well as asymmetrics which help extending the workout to your back and legs while promoting balance. Kettlebells are good for these reasons too but are usually more costly and not modular.
Steel weights are expensive no matter what due to the cost of steel itself. The only downside to those concrete-filled plastic weights is that they can break when dropped against a hard surface which you're not going to do. Those quickly adjustable "select-a-weight" dumbbell sets are good if built right. If socialization isn't totally venomous to you, look in classifieds. It's common for guys to underestimate the objective value of steel plates and bars and a lot of people just want the big heavy circles off of their property. Don't fall for the fancy rubber-coated hex sets as being superior in any way besides look.
No.67251
>>67248Thanks, I've been searching for good offers over the past few weeks, I hadn't even noticed the ones I had set apart were concrete filled. But that doesn't seem to be a problem then. They are the type where you just add the amount of plates you want to the bars, limited to 50kg each bar. For a person who has done only bodyweight exercises, do you think 40kg (total) will last long before I need to get more? I suppose I may buy more plates as I advance.
No.67252
>>67247Got my start with dumbbells.
It's sort of a family tradition to get your first dumbbell set when you turn 12 or 13 in my household.
I too highly recommend them.
No.67261
>>67251>For a person who has done only bodyweight exercises, do you think 40kg (total) will last long before I need to get more? I suppose I may buy more plates as I advanceCertainly. A man who hasn't been actively maintaining arm strength would usually start around a 7.5kg bicep curl for quick hypertrophy (the BURN). 15kg is a good starting point for shoulder presses too.
How many bars are on the table? If you have 40kg of weights and want to get a quick start to growth, consider buying extra bars to accommodate weights of varying values to keep on the ready. When I was starting out, I got far with a 10kg dumbell, a 7.5kg dumbell, and a 5kg dumbell with weight only on one side. This allowed me to get a good burn on my biceps, triceps, and deltoids by getting reps in with the 10kg, then following up with the 7.5. The 7.5 was good for lateral raises. The imbalanced 5kg will let you get wrist curls in. There are some exercises such as shrugs and deadlifts that aren't approachable asymmetrically so having two equal dumbells for those are a must.
Above all, if you're just starting out, proper protein intake and synthesis is most important. Whey, creatine, and your choice of hydration.
No.67262
>>67261>How many bars are on the table?Depends on the seller, some even sell each plate and bar separately, so i may "pick my kit". I'll keep that in mind when choosing.
>>67252Thanks, I feel reassured about the decision.
No.67367
Just got an idea for a cheap home gym. Resistance band for squat. Cost a few dollars for a 100 lbs band. Why not buy a bunch to replicate the resistance of a barbell squat instead of buying thousand dollars racks and weights? Can't be that much worse.
No.67368
>>67367I will let you think about what could go wrong for a few minutes and get back to me.
No.67370
>>67368Nah i think it's a good idea. It won't be as effective as barbell squats but it's much cheaper.
No.67371
>>67367>>67370Weights have an single mass. Resistance bands "weigh" more than their advertised weight on a ramping scale. A 100lb resistance on the floor could turn in a 250lb resistance at the apogee of your squat. You might feel like you're lifting more weight, but if you're not getting the full extension you're wasting a lot of growth potential.
$1,000 for a rack and barbell with some weights is absurd. Buy used.
No.67384
>>67383If you get a couple plates with a grip hole cut out, you can add some lat raises in to the mix.
No.67385
>>67383Would work for awhile provided you remain consistent in number of workouts and slowly increase weight and/or volume.
No.67386
>>67383if u new drop shrugs, squat, and overhead press
No.67393
>>67384Thanks for the suggestion.
>>67385I know consistency and progressive overload are key.
>>67386>>67387Yeah dude please elab.
No.67394
Btw what do you guys think of nucleus overload? Is it bullshit or legit?
No.67395
>>67394Don't know enough about it to have a truly informed opinion. That said I think it falls in the category of things advanced lifters look into to squeeze just a tiny amount of extra gains when they are near their natural limits.
So unless you are that far along that you plateaued with more conventional stuff, I don't think it's really worth worrying too much about.
No.67456
>>51836My view is this: if you want to deadlift, you should deadlift. If you just want to be fit, there are many other hip hinge movements that are far safer and more effective at hitting the glutes/hams. RDLs, back extensions and good mornings are good examples. They're also less fatiguing because there is less weight involved, which lets you get more volume in over the week. Tom Platz and Robert Oberst has the same view. The risk to reward ratio is very bad
No.67667
I have back problems so I just do bodyweight exercises.
No.67668
>>67667I've heard people say that Deadlifts fixed their back problems
No.67669
>>67668There are many kinds of back problems and ways of approaching deadlifts.
No.67671
>>51836I lost weight still eating all the crap I enjoy in excess by intermittent fasting, if you eat enough in one sitting for 2 days, then don't eat for two days
No.67672
>>67671Caloric deficit works regardless of how you do it.
How some people pretend they just can't lose weight like it isn't in their control always struck me as weird.
If you ain't bodybuilding or something it really ain't complicated.
No.67673
>>67671>if you eat enough in one sitting for 2 days, then don't eat for two daysMany guys consider the body to be tuned for this exact scenario. A successful hunt in gorged upon completely as to not waste meat and then there's a period of digestion and repair before the hunter can exert himself on another prey.
No.67674
>>67672When you're a fatass your stomach will make the rumblies from just eating a normal amount of food, the stomach has a mind of its own and wants the amount it's used to having no idea it's bad, that's why fatties when trying to lose weight they do OMAD one meal a day that's like 2000 calories just so they can feel full.
No.67695
>>67394as the other wiz said, its mostly something you do once you have at the very least been lifting for a good while or have had a history of lifting in the past. it is very effective and also doesnt waste your time. if you are a beginner then do starting strength, get real fat and strong, then do nucleus overload and recomp until your body is in acceptable shape
No.67696
>>67393>>67387also dont listen to the idiot telling you not to squat or overhead press. though when doing the OHP you really need to be strict and make sure you're not bending the hell out of your spine. shrugs are probably unnecessary though since the other exercises you have listed already are effective for back and trap strength
No.67697
>>67695>get real fatNo way!
No.67738
my form when deadlifting was always bad. I never see anyone else in a gym doing them and it's a bit of a hassle to set up just to do a couple of sets. Nice numbers though op
No.67739
>>67192Facebook reels. Lots of techniques and posture tricks.
No.67837
>>67150>Even 5 pounds can cause issues eventually and it has no measurable benefits.I used to use 30 pounds…
No.67838
>>67837£30 is a little much to pay for a set of 2.5kg gloves…
No.67839
No, deadlifts=snapcity
No.68114
I'm the only one at my gym who deadlifts, or does anything with the Olympic bars really. It's almost as if the whole matted section of the gym is just for me, if it wasn't occupied during daylight hours by succubi doing weird sitting wrist curls and stuff there because it's the closest mirror they can get to. Stinky bitchezzz stop peeing on my mat!!!!
My grip strength has me peaked at 300lb for measly single lift. I must go shopping
>>67839Not true at all. Why would someone think this? Answer: because weak idiot
No.68133
Gave myself some sort of back injury doing squats with poor form and going up in weight too fast now I'm having to not go to the gym for a week to recover. At least my gym has a pool I can go to for some cardio that's light on the joints. Remember to be careful wizards.
No.68137
>>68133Spinal decompression should be done before and every heavyweight back and leg sets. Just 15 seconds of hanging from a bar can help