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 No.54194[Last 50 Posts]

After Reading Fingerprints of the Gods and Magicians of the Gods, I wonder if it’s possible the existence of an ancient and lost civilization like those books described. I know a couple of books who give more evidence of that. 2 books written by the Spanish investigator Javier Sierra, called: En busca de la edad de oro and La Ruta Prohibida, if you want to read them. But, the only book I know who gives a serious proof of that is Hamlet’s Mill. That makes me think if the civilization is cyclical and the event that erase a possible civilization could happen again to us. Just think about it.

 No.54223

Why almost every American country (I’m including Latin America too) have their own folk ghost, except for the U.S? In Mexico they have el Charro Negro, The brujas, The Nahuales, los Chaneques, Duendes, but those one’s appear in every Latin country. Colombia has la Patasola, el Sombreron, la Madre del agua, and a couple of ones I don’t remember right now. Chile has a lot fucked up ones, like El Trauco, a kind of imp whose hobby is raping beautiful succubi. He’s married with his sister, and has a dick so long he has to carry it like a hose. I’m not making this up. Here in Venezuela we have, el Hachador, the spirit of a man killed by god for not resting in Easter, he wanted to make his own coffin. La Sayona, a kind of banshee who kills she’s own mother because she thought she was having an affair with his husband. Search in every country and you will found legends like this. But I couldn’t ever find a ghost like that in the United States. It’s because they don’t have the “magic thinking” (people here live with this as a part of reality. Nobody denies their existence) or because they don’t have culture like the people in Europe says? The closest things to that are the legends of the Indians from the U.S and the lumberjack’s mythology

 No.54253

how do you get rid of a poltergeist? there's been one in my house since 1990 and last week it was spinning the clock hands, childish shit like that

there's no wizards or exorcists in the phone book and they'd probably be fakes anyway, and I'm not doing that cringy thing people suggest where you do basically an intervention and explain to the ghost he's dead, because I think he knows and doesn't care

do I gotta achive astral projection and go kick his ass? serious question

 No.54265

graham hancock is a fraud, check out a book called the stargate conspiracy, dubious authors as well but that one book is actually well worth the read.

 No.54279

>>54253
What makes you think you are dealing with a poltergeist?

What is the history of the place?

Do you have regular paranormal experiences outside of that location that are similar or is it just that location?

 No.54282

>>54279
my mom bought a large fragglerock doll at a garage sale in 1990, the old hag selling it said it's haunted, later that year I was watching TV alone in the dark and it walked into the room and sat down cross-legged in front of the TV, it sat there upright for a couple hours

that was the first time, it was dormant until late 2018 when my mom and sister, separately, said they heard monster screeching noises while alone in the same room, they freaked out

last december I was standing outside the room alone and it hit the (closed) door with the strength of a kick, then it was knocking on the garage door and knocking stuff over in the room trying to spook me, making the air downstairs super cold, the cat's tail was puffed out he could obviously see it floating around like animals can, the he/she turned the bathroom fan on when I walked by

there was nothing the past few months then I was downstairs and asked the ghost aloud if it's still here, the clock thing happened immediately after

it's not my house, it's a stowaway from someone else's house and I'm tired of it

 No.54290

I woke up and my second story bedroom window was wide open. There's a 2-foot wire with a heavy weight suspended from my window that keeps the wind from opening it (the weather was calm anyway), and at bedtime I was remarking aloud about how the poltergeist never messes with my room and what if he might open my window. Now my room is full of mosquitoes. Wtf. I'm pissed. Bedroom haunting is a red line. I'm looking into astral projection methods now.

 No.54291

>>54282
Assuming everything you said is true and your interpretation of events are correct and accurate (aka not be a overly skeptical dick about it and just get to the point) from what it sounds like you aren't actually dealing with a poltergeist. Maybe a mild haunting or cursed object but thankfully not a poltergeist at all.

A simple clensing ritual of the house and getting rid of the doll or a full purification ritual on the doll should set things in order.
So something as simple as saging the house while offering relevant prayers, or using blessed salt or water on the outer facing walls in every room, or even inviting a spiritial person you feel comfortable with to do a cleansing should sort things out. Though learning to do it yourself is child's play.

For the haunted doll, if it is the source it is a bit harder since you don't know it's history. The easiest thing to do is just to get rid of it by giving or selling it to someone else. There are stronger purification rituals that could be done but they are slightly harder to learn and do have a risk of failure and making things worse, so if you are new to this kind of thing I would have someone else do it, or like I said, get rid of it.

Trashing it, or destroying it sometimes works but depending on the haunt/curse it could just make things FAR worse so I don't suggest that without purifying it first.

So order of opperations to be done with the bad vibes of the house.

>get rid of (by selling or giving) the doll

>or get the doll purified/exercised
>then do simple spiritual cleansing of the house

If you cleanse the house but ether keep the cause of the haunt or make it worse by improperly disposing of the cause then it is only a matter of time before it starts up yet again.
You have to get rid of the cause (in this case the curse/haunt on the doll) first then once that is done do a cleansing of the house.

You do that, or have that done by someone you trust in spiritual matters and you should be all good.

 No.54293

man, the doll went to the dump like 25 years ago
>you aren't actually dealing with a poltergeist. Maybe a mild haunting
well…what's the difference? it's definitely a poltergeist by any definition, that's the only class of ghost which makes dolls walk, you should've seen it

it was straight from that 1982 movie

I don't think that house cleansing stuff will work, because I think he/she is perfectly aware of the situation, obviously speaks english, and recent evidence suggests he's been spying on me a long time, hears me rant a lot about occult stuff and general skepticism and probably learned a lot from me over the years that he's not going to fall for banishing rituals etc, no, I think direct action is required, especially before it gets worse and my parents find out

 No.54296

>>54293
>man, the doll went to the dump like 25 years ago
oh no.
Yeah, you are going to need more then a simple cleansing now.

>he's not going to fall for banishing rituals

Actual occult banishing rituals don't give the spirit a choice in the matter. They actively force whatever has gathered away. There is not "falling for" a banishing ritual as it is actively throwing them out by force. In general ritual magic is very much about subjugating spirits through the force of will rather then politely asking nicely to work with them or trickery. Though understandably if things go wrong the effects can be pretty damn bad since the thing you don't have control of is probably really pissed off for being subjugated.
But whatever

>well…what's the difference?

One is deeply rooted to a set location due to something that happened in that location and festers in that area getting stronger and more violent as time goes on (poltergeist).
The other is a more general term, but in this case if I was to put a label on it would be more of a wondering spirit that using some sort of attachment (object at first, only now instead it is your house because the original object it was bound to is gone). Also unlike a poltergeist who is self sustaining and grows more powerful regardless of who or what is around, yours seems to feed on those around it much like a egregore being formed (if you understand the reference). Which also unfortunately means you have been inadvertently feeding it, which is also bad and also why it is now bound to your house.
Lastly poltergeist are concentrations of pure white hot negative emotion. Vortexes of hate and pain that lash out until they are banished. Almost elemental in its nature without any human reason or behavor left. Whatever personality or person/people that was left has been stripped away and all that is left behind is that intense negative emotion, devoid of reason or motive. A festering mass of anger and sorrow.
While what you are dealing with just sounds like a cheeky cunt that very much still has individualization.

As for how to sort your situation out, I actually have to read up a bit since this isn't my specialty and it has been awhile.
I will get back to you eventually with a answer.

 No.54297

ive never experienced anything paranormal. ive never even daydreamed or imagined seeing or hearing anything, aka hallucinated. it's disappointing but dementia runs in the family. maybe when im an old old man ill experience the magic

 No.54302

>>54296
so like…do you have personal experience with ghosts?

 No.54303

>>54302
It's complicated.
Sorta, depends on what you define as ghost.

 No.54313

>>54303
how about a dead person who didn't "go into the light" or whatever and hangs around here

 No.54317

>>54313
No, you watch to many movies.

On a related note, research is almost complete. Just was detracted by life stuff.

 No.54319

>>54317
I don't watch movies.

 No.54366

Does anybody here have stories about buried treasures? My family always tells me one of the worse things that could happen to you is found a treasure. The greed of the soul of the owner makes him stay along with the money. Sometimes, but I only heard of this happen if the owner had family, the ghost gives permission to his relatives to keep the money, but if you are not his relative, the ghost will torment you until your death. Centuries ago, during the colonial times and the revolutions across America, the rich men who own slaves, used to make them dig a hole in the ground to hide their money. At the moment they down the chest; the owner kills the poor fuckers for make them the ghostly guardians of the burial. This happen a lot here in Latin America, but I suppose in the U.S states that used to be part of Mexico, and especially in the south of that country, things like that should happened a lot too. My brother tells me there’s a way of making a deal with the ghost. His soul is trapped keeping the chest, but, if somebody takes his place he would be free for resting and leave the money for the one who make the deal with him. This is only possible if you offer him people. Some people say you have to take an x amount of people to the place of the burial, kill them and drop them to the hole, after that, the treasure will raise of the ground and it will be yours.

 No.54853

My uncle tells me about the owner of a ranch he knows, who discovered a burial in his land. He was digging in the soil trying to found water, when he found a chest with at least three centuries, full of gold and jewels. Everything was fine a couple of days, until some afternoon when he was with the cattle. The shadow of a man came (my uncle says it was like watching a corporeal shadow, he almost seems physical) to him to tell him about the debt he has to pay. The ghost wanted the life of one of his sons. The farm owner didn’t want to kill anybody, least one of his sons, so he offered some cattle, but no, the spirit just wanted a human life. Almost all of the sons of the famer were mentally ill, the worst of them used to dance and sing when he watched hanged people while he was playing guitar. That was the one the farm owner offered. The ghost fells insulted by that offering, so he takes the life of the only mentally sane son.

 No.54855

>>54297
you are a hylic

 No.54858

Thanks wiz, i enjoyed that GH interview.
What will be the gain of learning of all this hidden secrets?

 No.54864

>>54853
that makes no sense, if the ghost had the ability to kill people by himself then why did he bother to ask nicely I’m the first place

 No.54865

>>54864
read the Stargate Conspiracy by Picknett and Prince. I'm honestly sorry for people believing anything this master manipulator says.

 No.54869

>>54865
Latin americans are very susceptible to these kooky pseudo-spiritual and scientific theories. I am not saying they are the only ones but on the internet especially you often see that there is an unhealthy amount of interest from them for these topics. I wonder why that is?
Oh and I second the book recommendation.

 No.54871

>>54865
Can you summarise the main points?
I can't read a whole book anymore

 No.54872

>>54869
I think it's your selective memory. I bet the number of american flat-earthers alone far surpasses the number of latin americans who believe in shit like the Stargate conspiracy. Then you have all the other Reptilian believers, hollow-eathers, Area 51 and so on. Now that I think about, the US is the undisputed hotspot for people who believe in shit like that. I mean I have no horse in this race but if I had toplace bets, it would not be on Latin America.

 No.54877

>>54872
Reptilians are real and Stargates are real, please don't include them in your smear campaign

 No.54880

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 No.54888

>>54880
That's not a response

 No.54897

>>54888
Not only is it a response but it is exactly the kind of response a comment like that deserves.

 No.54972

has anyone else seen the large orange UFOs? I started seeing them on 12/31/2016 and some sites I checked afterward said that sightings exploded in that year

the ones I saw were even flying in corkscrew patterns over our airport all night long, I checked the local news all week and there was nothing…go figure

I wonder if the sudden surge of the orange ones is a sign

 No.55035

>>54265
Why is Graham Hancock a fraud? I prefer him over Erich Von Däniken, or worse, the guy from Ancient Aliens. At least he´s not saying aliens created everything.

 No.56077

>>54194
I leave myself open to the possibility of an advanced civilization in the distant past.
Advanced in the sense of bronze or early iron age not flying cars or anything.
Modern Humans have been on this planet for something like 100,000 years, look at how far we've come in the last 6000. Whose to say we didn't have something more going on 12000 years ago?

 No.56078

>>54972
could you draw what they looked like?

 No.56099

>>56078
no
youtube has a million home HD videos showing what they look like
in my city there's currently one that's been in the sky every night since august pretending like it's a star, if you watch a while you see it darting here and there though sometimes or turning its lights on/off and stuff, it's been so long I just think it's an omen

why else would the same big ufo be nesting in a place for months *shrug*

 No.56123

>>56099
sounds like reconnaissance. Probably the chinese.

 No.56128

>>56123
please don't shitpost here

 No.56308

¿What happened to Bob Lazar? ¿ is he still alive? An anon from the other paranormal thread said, he was the only person who nobody could ever debunk.

 No.56314

>>55035
Graham Hancock has some interesting ideas, and it's fun to speculate about lost human history, but this dude literally says that it's possible ancient humans had the ability to make things levitate by using some forgotten technology, which is supposedly how the pyramids were built, which is bullshit. That, and he used to smoke an ungodly amount of cannabis every day while writing some of his books. He's incapable of separating his academic history/archeology studies from his ayahuasca-induced spiritual beliefs. Just because there was a mass extinction event before the last iceage does not mean it destroyed some advanced shamanistic utopia.

 No.56315

>>56308
He's still alive. The crazy thing to me is how the UFO sightings by the US navy released a couple years ago all support his claims he made decades ago, the sighted aircraft seem to use the exact same method of manipulating gravity in order to propel it forward, technology that seems thousands of years more advanced than our own. And, the US government revealed they still have an institution dedicated to investigating these phenomenons, and they don't have an answer either. It'll be fascinating what this is going to develop into over the next century, I hope I don't die before first contact is made

 No.56327

>>54223
The US has plenty of cryptids and ghosts. You're just not looking hard enough if you think the Us lacks paranormal mascots.

 No.57186

If someone wants to read real stories about voodoo zombies take a look to the books of William Seabrook, Zora Neale Hurston and Inez Wallace. The books of these writers are from the 20s and 30s. If you wanna read something more contemporary, try with Wade Davis. Author of the Snake and the Rainbow, Passage of Darkness and a BBC documentary based on the Snake and the Rainbow.

 No.57327

>>56314
seems like you cant separate your personal beliefs from the truth. you have no idea how levitation works and yet youre so sure that its impossible, youre delusional.

 No.57515


 No.57630

Is really possible the existence of giants or a subterranean civilization? The only evidence I know is a web site of a guy who liked to explore caves. He found marks in a cave that resemble an alphabet. He stopped updating his page after that; he says he was going to that cave again. I don’t remember the name of the site, but I watched it in youtube years ago. I think there’s a newspaper were Abraham Lincoln, mentions a cave where they found a giant skeleton

 No.57633

>>57630
>subterranean civilization?
Very possible. There are caves which no surface root, man, or mouse can reach yet have sustained their own ecosystem with aquatic and dryland animals. Life underground is possible so a civil society might be down there somewhere.

 No.57840

¿What’s the best paranormal show on radio and tv? The only radio show I know, at least in English is Coast To Coast. In Spain they have a Magazine Called Año Cero, the enigmas magazine and a tv show called Cuarto Milenio and a radio show made by the same people called Milenio 3. In this country we used to have a radio show called: Nuestro Insolito Universo. I just 5 Minutes they used to tell a real event or a very good paranormal story. In Mexico they have: la Mano peluda, were people tell their paranormal stories. The most famous host of the show, Juan Ramon Saenz, died a couple of years ago in a mysterious way, when he was trying to help a guy who make a deal with the devil. I remember a channel in YouTube. I think the name was: El desconectado. It was the full transmissions of every paranormal radio show in Colombia and a couple of Latin countries Search for it if you are from a Spanish speaking country or if you know Spanish.

 No.57868

I wish the paranormal was real, hauntings, poltergeists. Someone or something I could talk to or at the very least communicate primitively to. I'd be satisfied with something to simply observe. Maybe they're scared of me and don't want to show themselves; wouldn't be the first.

 No.57870

>>57840
what is it with latin americans and their weird fascination with paranormal stuff?
anyway, where did the road go has some decent content.

 No.57921

¿What happened to the morons who wanted to make a tulpa in /x/? Before that, it was “how I summon a succubus thread”. ¿What’s wrong with them? Those kinds of things are way more powerful and dangerous than us. Madame Blavatsky used to have a tulpa, even her, who has a highly knowledge of magic and how to use it, had a problem with that kind of stuff.

 No.58356

youtube true paranormal stories are for profit fake made up garbage

 No.58359

>>54194

they are pseudo-history books similar to zecharia sitchin's books

 No.58370

I just discovered an anthology about witches. The name is A Circle of Witches.An Anthology of Victorian Witchcraft Stories by Peter Haining. The first part of the book is dedicated to female writers who were investigators of the story of witchcraft in England, Wales and Ireland, and the punishment of that kind of practice. You will find real cases of witches and the kind of potions they used to make. Things like fox lungs, skulls of dead thieves and liver of hedgehog against epilepsy. The second part is about fictional events, but some of the stories are based on real events. One of the stories even has Cotton Mather as one of the protagonist. If someone wants to know more about witches, try to found Witch Stories by Eliza Lynn Linton

 No.58371

¿Is Hanuda a real place? The only Japanese site I found who talks about it, has a “shibito” in the url, so I think it must be a fake page made by the team who create Forbbiden Siren. I think I know at least, two legends about strange towns in Japan; one is about a lawless village where every crime is common, even incest and cannibalism. The other one is about a town that looks like the scenario of an old samurai movie. The time around that place is stopped; the radio, phones, and every electronic device don’t work

 No.58374

>>58371
>The time around that place is stopped; the radio, phones, and every electronic device don’t work

BRB moving to this Japanese village

 No.58731

Anyone here remember the site BlindMaiden.com? The story of that site was a big thing back in the mid 2000´s. Almost every paranormal site had the same copypaste, and the ones who had forums for the users paranormal experiences even had a few, apparently true stories of people who went to the site at 12 pm. Even KULT Divinity Lost, a Swedish horror tabletop rpg, mentions the game. The same game also mentions the black eyes kids, if somebody want to know.

 No.58732

What do you think of Prophecies? Things that are predicted can be changed or is impossible to change the future? In Latin America the only real prophet of the end of times is Benjamin Solari Parravicini. When he was a kid in the 1900s, he used to talk about things that were going to happen a lot of years in the future, like the 2 world wars and the moon landing. When he was an adult, sometimes his hand used to move alone, without having control over it. He used to do strange drawings along with more strange poems. He saw the 9 11, Fidel Castro, artificial hearts and Laika the dog, all in the 30s. Some of them are terrifying. I saw a book were 5 drawings describe the impact of a planet against the earth. I think there’s one where he warns about the “metal man”. If the end of mankind is gonna be the rise of the machines, I wonder if is gonna be like terminator or matrix, or even worse, like I have no mouth and I want to scream, or the 4 brothers of the moon by Gustav Meyrink.

 No.58745

>>58732
Where can I go to find more information about this guy Benjamín Solari Parravicini?

 No.58767

>>58732
>In Latin America
what's with you and ridiculous occult shit? the more absurd the more you fall for it

 No.58768

>>54253
Aren't you a wizard?

 No.58769

>>58768
are wizards exorcists?

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 No.58904

Someone here actually believe in faeries? I read it in a book about the subject; the villagers of Britain, France, tell the fairies fade away from earth in the 19 century because the felt the coming of a terrible, “invisible” century. I don’t blame them for leave the earth for fearing the XX century. In Spain, they said they were gone because mankind was selfish and cruel, and they don’t want to see the death of their beloved forest, so they return to their subterranean chambers of gold and crystal.

 No.58909

>>58904
>subterranean chambers
maybe they were some inner earth creatures then, hollow earth is real and there's all sorts of crazy stuff down there like a tiny sun

 No.58911

>>58904
Yes I believe in them too. This world has become brutal grotesque mockery of Nature, I do not blame them for leaving it

 No.58915

>>57630
I remember reading a book about caves. That book mentions swords and armors found in caves of the U.S, with a date of 1000 B.C. Are those things real or just a hoax?

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>>57630
>>59083
Giants used to be reported constantly in old newspapers. These are from the New York Times in specific. I have probably ten more, but I won't flood the thread. There is a lot of evidence for giants. The question is where they are hiding the bones today, probably in the back of some institutions locked up.

 No.59085

>>59084
Misdentification is possible. Travel wasn't like it is now and many large animals weren't believed to exist at all. Lot easier to hoax things back then too.

 No.59089

>>59084
>probably in the back of some institutions
no doubt
can't have anything disturbing their little scientific-historical "narrative," pig fuckers

 No.59092

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>>59085
It's certainly possible that some of these are mis-identifications, I have even one or two of these saved that says that bones found in one place or another *might* belong to a Mastodon or some other creature, but when one repeatedly finds reports of giant skeletons all across North America (and not just in the US), and from over a century of time, from roughly the 1850s to 1950 in multiple different major papers, one begins to wonder whether it is really a hoax, or if there are actually bones being found. It's truly shocking how many of these stories really exist, and how these stories are often reported on very matter-of-factually, and not sensationalistically (if that's a word). Plus, the existence of giants lines up very nicely with many ancient legends, especially those of many North American tribes. The fact that these giants are often found in Indian mounds in the past is especially interesting too, because it is now illegal to go digging in those, and any bones found can instantly be claimed by Indians. It might be to protect heritage, but it might also be to protect the discovery of more giant bones, which really throw a wrench into the mainstream historical narrative, particularly evolutionary ones.

>>59089
Yup. Dr. Richard L. Thompson and Michael Cremo have done a good job exposing this.

 No.59093

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>>57868
If you get into meditation and prayer, paranormal entities will pick up on it and you will probably begin to feel their presence more. I don't know about summoning or anything, though, I don't mess with that stuff, but with the stuff I mentioned I have seen results. Most of my paranormal encounters were in childhood though. I think children are especially attuned to these things. For example, I saw one of pic related as a kid at night once, and I have heard a lot of people report weird sightings from when they were a child too.

 No.59095

It's possible, but sadly not on earth because we have geologic records going back to the beginning of life on the planet. We can see evidence of bacteria from 3.7 billion years ago. Any advanced civilization would have left behind enough evidence to have been found by now. Possible exceptions could be if the species for some reason was very low in population but frankly that doesn't seem feasible since intelligence is a highly useful evolutionary adaption that would allow any species possessing it to increase their numbers greatly.

 No.59099

>>59095
>Any advanced civilization would have left behind enough evidence to have been found by now
Not as much as one might think, it seems. Check this out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silurian_hypothesis

>evolutionary adaption

Also a hoax.

 No.59100

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>>59099
although I'm skeptical about it being real, an advanced ancient civilization existing is pretty exciting to think about

I happened to come across the Richat Structure mindlessly wandering google maps the other week and it just blows my mind how I've never seen this before in my entire life. You'd think with all the content aggregators out there one would happen upon it eventually but it just doesn't seem widely shared thing.

This thing looks like nothing natural I've ever seen before and it's crazy to think about this is located on Earth.

 No.59104

>>59083
>>59084
>>59092
call me a dumb redditor but I dont believe these articles are of actual giants since there isnt any photo of the bones they uncovered. However I do believe in one case of a giant human which was found during the 1800's in France where a scientist/archeologist was given bone fragments of a supposed giant by construction workers, he estimated the bones would have to belong to a person that is 11 ft or taller (and it was from the bronze age) and looking at the photos he took of the bone fragments it seems very human, however I dont think this "giant" was the same as the ones described in the bible who could do 1000 backflips, run 100 m in 1 second and lift tree trunks with one finger. I do think this bronze age giant was athletic and probably an amazing hunter during his early years (imagine being 6-12 yrs old and 6'2, you would be better than the adult men) I do think he probably broke his legs and would have lived on a bed for the rest of his life until his death since robert wadlow was 8'11 but had to use a walking stick in order to walk, if he couldnt walk at almost 9 feet imagine someone 2 feet taller (It's also the reason I dont fully believe in athletic giants since human bodies werent made to be taller than 7'4 due to the square cube law and how our blood vessels work although maybe their physiology and muscle are different to the average human which enabled them to be taller than most humans)

 No.59119

>>59100
it has been posted before there were older videos from this guy but i guess he reuploaded for more clicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Gj_6dmNcM

he p much describes why it's the location of atlantis.

 No.59120

>>59095
iirc there are documented underwater pre-historical ruins with photographs from divers that only the forbidden archeology crowd seems to have any interest in

 No.59124

>>59119
i went into that video thinking haha, atlantis in africa, thats just an eroded geologic dome, what is this gay crap

but so much perfectly lines up with historical accounts and archeological timeframes, very interesting

 No.59331

>>58909
>>58911
Just in case somebody wants to read the same books I read about fairy beings here are the links

Seres y lugares en los que usted no cree:https://www.lectulandia.co/book/seres-y-lugares-en-los-que-usted-no-cree/

Duendes. Guía de los seres mágicos de España:https://www.lectulandia.co/book/duendes-carlos-canales/

Hadas:https://www.lectulandia.co/book/hadas/

Gnomos. Y otros espíritus masculinos de la naturaleza:https://www.lectulandia.co/book/gnomos-jesus-callejo/

Even if you don’t know Spanish you can enjoy the illustrations. The book about elf’s (Duendes) has a Brian Froud vibe. I know that England and the U.S have a ton of books about the subject (Is weird for the U.S. The only elf or fairies they should have are the ones the Native Americans used to believe in) but in Spanish speaking countries is very hard found books about them, because almost everybody fear them. Nobody wants to write a book about little people who kidnap babies (and nobody knows for what) rape pretty succubi, likes to lose people in the jungles, hide up things (the most inoffensive ones, they also like the play with the kids) and some of them even gather gold like the ones in Europe

Ps: I really recommend the book about fairies “Hadas” in Spanish. The book tells a very interesting story about how the faeries are in fact, the angels who were neutral in the war of Lucifer against God. Not good enough to be in heaven, and not bad enough to be demons in hell, they were punished and exiled to earth. They didn’t seem to care until the 19 century, as I wrote some posts ago. Some of the fairies of this book are literally friendly monster succubi. They will help you if you ask for their help nicely, but they will also kidnap you if they fell horny.

 No.59393

>>59095
>3.7 billion years ago.
Mankind hasnt been around for longer than about 12000 years. Evolution is a lie.

 No.59621

Hancock, by his own admission, smoked weed 16 hours a day, 7 days a week for 25 years. The man's brain is fried.

Watching him sycophantically lick Rogan's manlet ass on his podcasts is a truly pathetic sight to behold. He has no credibility, a grifter.

 No.59652

>>54194
Genetically we think that humans have existed from 100k to 200k years so seeing as to how history only goes back to 10k of course we could have had lost civilizations that were advanced. The obvious issue is that materials break down very fast. It's like that one show about after humans die, after just a couple thousand 99.9 percent of our materials we created will be literal dust. Everything but stone tends to get ruined and fast.

Then there's lizards from millions of years ago too. That's also possible.

About cycles though, everyone knows that but some naive patriot normalfaggot. The average middle ages kingdom died in a couple hundred years, humans need a village to make a man, a culture to make them know how to be human, so you go back to 'caveman days' as soon as you kingdom falls if there's not another one around to dictate behavior. They all fall. The only reason ours hasn't yet is because we are headed away from an ice age. Towards one and the societies all fall of which happens every few thousand years. Less food, less people, less geniuses per year born, less technology, more stagnation, more stupidity, more crime, smaller brains, so you can walk around all day putting the proteins into the legs, etc. It's foolhardy to think that you can just be advanced during an ice age when humans as they are barely keep it together in paradise of which they complain about and make ridiculous rules therein for no real reason other than 'our ice age instincts haven't left us yet, let's be careful/conservative and stagnant/conservative'.

>>58769
>No they like ghosts and to summon them!

>>54253
>check board
>hob
I'm pretty sure I have to call you out on being schizophrenic with this not being a paranormal board. Or is your hobby silly adrenaline rushes via camp fire bullshitery? Because conjecture over lost civilizations and ghosts are not even in the same ballparks much less solar system as far as I'm concerned. That schizophrenic that watches silly college kid made jewtube videos all day pisses me off in short.

Even if thinking open minded, the ghost, the aliens you see, the angels, they're probably reality glitches from parallel universes from what we know. If not then it's the 'machine elves' doing glitches or doings something important as there's something wrong with your house. Religious pandering otherwise, of which, they all tell you to go forth and prosper and try to make you be quelled in many many ways for the sake of being dominated. No omega male, no maverick, would cater to that.

>>54223
Why did this thread take this direction?

The answer is religious culture as to why and that's everybody except maybe weird extreme left winger Asians that kill Abrahamics.

>>59393
>12k
>evolution is a lie
Really asshole?

How many religious wizards are there here anyway and what religion told you 12k?

>>59120
Do you mean that tablet that was too deep to be put there for it's age in the ocean?

>>59095
Obviously it's possible, indeed, but also obviously the more advanced technology is the more it breaks easily or did you not notice? The pyramids would have been 1 percent of what was made while being surrounded by wooden objects and metals and even batteries we know about. They even say a drill head was there but you're not allowed to touch it that they used to bore those 'impossible holes'. You can't leave it behind because even if it's there some asshole immune to conjecture will say "It's a ceremonial structure" even if it's one of a kind.

>>59119
>>59124
The majority of volcanic activity is in between the two great continents and there's over 2k islands there to this day in between Russia and Alaska and if advanced humans existed they'd be egocentric enough to place themselves in the middle. Also smarter people always crave the arid regions so it'd be an island that got fucked over by the volcanic activity. No snowing and no 'top society'.

>>59092
>>59085
>>59084
>>59083
The bones are only calcium deposit outlines now so if you jigsaw them wrong and also if the animals were eating one another so the bones are rare then a carnivorous neanderthal would possibly have been giant.

Then again I think giants are legal pandering though it'd be cool if some very stable creature survived from days when the earth was newer and more full of oxygen and the land animals were all huge. Lots of them died recently like the Mammoth but an ape could have been giant too. Perhaps the pyramids were built by one of them and they worshipped the near immortal being and called it a god but it was a dumb sort of human so it/they could not read nor wright hence the neat little 'halfway phase' in the written language as though it was made for illogical dyslexics that couldn't remember symbols but instead only sounds.

>>58904
The machine elves might be a thing but I don't believe in anything at all ever even if I do like supposing things.

>>58732
You'd have to be literally Buddha to see the future. One with everything, at that point you'd be too overwhelmed to have a will of your own of which is the point of ascension. You are everything now, how could you do something when you are everything? So the person would be dead and undead at the same time to do that, dispersed. I think we die constantly though as electricity passes through us all and the ether is a void of souls that fly through everything. Spirit is the fuel and the pain of living but even if we were a rock there would probably be the etheral soul still there but only active in being simpler things that life forms. Less mechanical. No illusion of choice, of which yes it is one.

>>54853
Tear the ectoplasm off of Rumpelstiltskin next time he bothers your family, Grimm.

>>54297
Stress induced dementia is a thing. The cia have induced it with torture.

>>54855
Do you use this word as a slur for people without faith in things? It means life has matter you realize, so I must assume you mean this.

 No.59718

>>54858
You are welcome. I hope you enjoy this page about the Ica Stones. This and the caves of Tayos are the only evidence of a ancient civilization. Some will say the stones are just a scam made by the people who live nearby. Maybe some of them are fake, but, how is possible that a village full of analphabets could create carved stones that represent continents, organs, stars, and extinct animals?

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/ica-stones

 No.59728

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Anyone here ever seen a UFO? I saw my first one the other day while walking around the neighborhood. It was pretty surreal, honestly. The sun was setting, and I see up in the sky, up really high, what appears to be a featureless black sphere. It is moving along very slowly. I try to get a photo of it, but I was moving and walking my dog at the same time, so I was having trouble getting it in frame. As I am walking, I go around the corner and my view of it is momentarily blocked by a tree. When I pass the tree, it's literally gone. No sight of it or anything. Slightly unnerving, even though I never felt in any danger.

 No.62425

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Im a materialist and a naturalist, but I want to take the piss and try paranormal/ghost-hunting,etc stuff…what do I do? So far, I thought of:
satanic/excorcism movies at night with all lights off and only my computer screen on
Going to several vodoo events,if possible and safe(crime-wise)
Oujia/drawing sigils and chanting mantras..maybe a nofap-friendly variation of Thelema.

 No.62426

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>>62425
I never understood why people timidly wait around to "observe" ghosts as though they were natural phenomena, instead of just demanding they show up

 No.62429

>>62425
just smoke some dmt

 No.62430

>>62429
if the effect is to make him believe in ghosts, then that wont. i have smoked "heroic" doses of dmt many times and i am still (somewhat) grounded. i certainly dont believe in religions or muh dank machine elves or what have you.
i realize that is probably an overreaction to your short comment, but i meant it more as a clarification with my own experiences.
tldr i also recommend dmt.

 No.62437

if ghosts or paranormal stuff existed you could bet money that science would have found a way to enslave it and use them as some kind of engine or labor. unless you believe that's what circuit boards and electricity and stuff is.

 No.62438

>>54223
it's called "collective unconscious"
for example, the myth of the green man, in every country around the world you can find some references to this being.
same for werewolves and other supernatural creatures.

btw, a la verga venezuela, usted ya cojio. no se haga wey.

 No.62439

>>62437
exactly!
the scientific method makes this world unexciting and even depressing.

the concept of magic that we all understand is something that "breaks" all the laws of nature, we want all these things to be literally "supernatural" (transgressive)

ghosts, god, love, and all that kind of shit

 No.64550

>>58745
heres video about him in the latin american version of The UnXplained

 No.64597

Whats your guys favorite paranormal experience sharing podcast? I usually like a few but the best for me are "anything ghost" and "monsters among us"

 No.64699

There is no way all of the ica stones were made by a village of analphabests

 No.64737

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>>58745
Im too lazy to translate this.

>La mujer hombre será una verdad y será en dos faces, por nacimiento bisexo y por ancestro. Será el inicio en ellas más la verdad brillará. Médicos operarán y harán bien, más la mujer hombre no será interpretada hasta el 70" (año1937)


>El hombre mujer, será en dos faces. Una por nacimiento bisexo, otra por ancestralismo. El mal será el vicio en el hombre, este llevará el sexo en búsqueda y terminará en hombre mujer falso. Médicos operarán y harán bien, más el hombre mujer no será interpretado hasta el 70". (año 1937)


>Hermanos: La cibernetica – forma tecnológica de poder será asesina del hombre en el llegar…. ¡ Del llanto ! (año 1971)

 No.64772

I'm willing to entertain the ideas of ghosts, superpsi, astral OOB experiences and paranormal lite concepts but this is just retarded.
>hancock
the guy who thinks there is civilization on mars and wrote a whole book about it. Fuck you JRE for introducing dopes to this trash.
>ghost anecdotes
Not falling for that shit this is not /x/ 2012 anymore
>Lazar
fake as fuck
>giants
creationist tier shit straight out of the bible
>tulpa
/x/ is for schizophrenics and retarded larpers this is not real
>Peter Haining
This guy is based and read his short story anthologies, I have several of them.
>Kult
always wish I'd been able to play this one with frenz. Very neat concept

The best explanation for superpsi or ghosts is the body's electromagnetic field that surrounds people inadvertently giving information to others. Or the Jungian collective unconsciousness notion of all cognition being linked at a deeper level and tapped into through sleep. We could run some interesting experiments trying to transfer the human bioelectric circuit to machinery at the moment of death just to see if something risidual remains I imagine. That or it has something to do with our perception of time

 No.64787

>>64737

>The succubus man will be a truth and it will be in two phases, by bisexual birth and by ancestry. It will be the beginning in them the more the truth will shine. Doctors will operate and do well, but the succubus man will not be interpreted until 70" (year 1937).


>The male female, will be in two phases.One by bisexual birth, the other by ancestralism. Evil will be the vice in man, it will lead to sex in search and will end in false man-succubus. Doctors will operate and they will do well, but the man-succubus will not be interpreted until 70". (year 1937)


>Brothers: The cybernetics - technological form of power will be man-killer in the coming …. of the cry(year 1971)

 No.64812

The first 2 images are about the of beginning trans shit in the 70s. these 2 were made in the 30s. The last one warns about cybernetics, only a concept for science fiction in the 70s, but a reality today. This guy also predicted the outcoe

 No.64813

>>64812
*outcome of the ww2 when it's looked like the germans were going to win

 No.64822

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>>64737

>"The atom will come to dominate the world, the world will be atomized and blinded. There will be storms caused by man's incursions into the atmosphere, new diseases, disruption of the sexes, collective madness, total insanity. The world will go dark" Year 1934


>"Duel of powers between Yankees and Russians. A duel of space and terrain conquest. Although it may not seem so, America will carry the scepter". Year 1941


>"Good will be driven away by the constant laughter of the blind man who did not listen. Darkness in him will be total and he will roll to infinite punishment, pray!". Year 1968


The date at the end is the year when the prophecy was made

 No.64878

i recently found a video that talked about the queen and the disappearance of 10 indigenous children in canada. it was in spanish, as english is not my first language. she was formally charged and found guilty by an indigenous court in canada. days before the main witness testified, he was conveniently murdered. it is hard to find information about this in english.

>https://www.facebook.com/227301997254/posts/queen-elizabeth-found-guilty-in-missing-children-case-whistle-blowers-incarcerat/10155276304892255/

 No.64884

>>64878
>The order to arrest Queen Elizabeth was issued in 2013 by six judges of the International Common Law Court of Justice in Brussels.
It's not a real court anon. The fixation on MISSING MURDERED ABORIGINAL CHILDREN is literally a grift started by a guy who claimed to be finding evidence of satanic ritual abuse/murder in europe…. he had no evidence, he showed up at various canadian protests claiming to be waving "aboriginal bones", and it was fake as fuck. Can't even remember who it was

Commonlaw does tend to get you arrested or warded

 No.64911

>>58745
Benjamin Solari Parravicini was a man from Buenos Aires known as the "Argentine Nostradamus", born on August 8, 1898, who mystically predicted: the rise of Nazism, the arrival of man on the moon, in vitro fertilization, the atomic bomb, the Kennedy assassination, the attack on the twin towers, the rise of Fidel Castro to power, the Falklands War, the Argentine dictatorship, the election of Pope Francis and multiple historical world events.

As a child, this Argentinean prophet had been sent to a doctor's office because he claimed to perceive and talk with elves and other mythological beings, as well as other abnormal behaviors related to the esoteric. But his father gave up trying to find an accurate diagnosis when his son predicted the outbreak of the First World War.

At first, Benjamin dismissed the "doodles" that he himself drew in trance and materialized on paper, events that had not yet occurred. According to scholars of the life and work of the innate seer as Pedro Romaniuk, a renowned ufologist, only on October 25, 1938 he would realize his clairvoyant gift when the same day that Alfonsina Storni committed suicide by going into the sea, he woke up at dawn feeling a smell of sea and seaweed, and a female voice that revealed to him that she was leaving this plane.

However, Solari Parravicini's psychographies were not known worldwide until after the attack on the World Trade Center towers. This is argued by Pedro Romaniuk:

Many call him 'the Argentine Nostradamus', however, the international fame or transcendence came to him after the September 11 attack. Internationally there are certain psychographies that give him relevance, one of the first is the one that says: "The freedom of North America will lose its light. Its torch will not shine as it did yesterday and the monument will be attacked twice."

Some of her psychographies mark the beginning of the feminine revolution: the right to suffrage and new practices in succubi, among others: "succubi will be readers of books, newspapers and magazines. The succubus will be ahead of the man, she will dislodge him. The pants will be hers and the man will become effeminate", says a revelation.

The psychic interpreter reported being abducted by a spaceship while sitting on a bench near the Obelisk. Inside the mother ship, luminous panels and a central tube. There, three blond aliens spoke to him telepathically: "You must preach love…Universe is harmony; we are observing you. We have many chosen ones."

As for current events, according to conspiracists, a Solari Parravicini omen names Putin as "bear terror" along with China - "dragon darkness"-, the Covid as "pests" and Biden under the nickname of "humble democrat":

"Fire, famine, pestilence, death, repeats the righteous campaign that approaches the world, yet the world neither hears nor sees. Comes the Darkness of the dragon that seemed asleep. Comes the terror of the bear that feigned love and brotherhood. Comes the humble democrat, who never was, and with him comes poverty, he without shelter, and with them all the explosions of disintegration. Comes the darkness and then, the light of the South. and the Cross!"

The medium also predicted the Russian invasion of Ukraine: "BEAR SEA. At any moment the Russians will be thrown into their fiefdoms. No one will shake them but their instincts will be alarmingly overridden," he revealed.

As for the future of Latin America, Solano Parravicini foresees a Chinese imperialism in the Spanish-speaking region: "China will be the beginning of the invasive overflow into Latin America".

 No.64913

>>64911
i forgot to green text,

 No.64914

>schizo nonsense
>spanish

every time

 No.64948

>Matthias Stormberger, the cow herder at Rabenstein, Germany, had some remarkable visions of the future in 1830. Mathias Lang is also known as Stormberger in some prophecy circles. Lang was illiterate and had no education, yet he predicted many things like airplanes, telephones and much more. He lived in Bavaria between 1753 to 1820. He made the following predict before World War One:

>"Iron rods will be built and iron monsters will bark through the wilderness."


>"Cars without horses and shaft will come . ."


>"And man will fly through the air like birds."


>“When in the outskirts of the forest the iron road will be finished, and there the iron horse will be seen, a war will begin, to last twice two years. It would be fought with iron fortresses that move without horses.”


>“Right after this horrible war there will come a time when money will have no value. For 200 guilders not even a loaf of bread will be available, and yet there shall be no famine. Money will be made of iron, and gold shall become so valuable that for a few gold coins a small farm can be bought.”


>“After the Great War there will be no peace. The people will rise and all will fight against each other… The rich and noble will be killed. The World War will not make people better but much worse… Tell your children that their children will live to see the time when the earth will be cleared. God will do away with people because there will be no charity among men. Religious faith will decline; priests will not be respected; people will be intent only on eating and drinking; there will be many immensely rich people and large amounts of paupers; great wealth will not endure long, for the red caps will come. People will hide in forests and many will go into exile. After this civil conflict and general clearing, people will love each other as much as previously they hated one another.”


>“Two or three decades after the first war it will come one a Second War still larger. Almost all the nations of the world will be involved. Millions of men will die, without being soldiers. The fire will fall from the sky and many great cities will be destroyed.”


>“The Catholic faith will almost completely disappear, the religiousness will be quite badly respected, they will not earn any respect due to their way of living.”


>“There won’t be many good Christians among the people, the Commandments of God are no longer respected by the aristocracy as well as by the smallest worker.”


>“One will not think the greatest unfairness to be a sin. When the faith disappears also the love of the next one will completely lose itself. One will not estimate the justice, often the poor one will not be given right and he will be less respected than a dog.


>“After this a mischief will arise that has to be regretted, there will be no order among the people.”


>“After the second great war, people will think that peace has arrived, but it will be an interval only. One day a third World War will start, more awful than the preceding ones.”


>“After the end of the Second Great War, a third universal conflagration will come, so that it will determine everything.”


>“When succubi walk around in pants, and men have become effeminate, so that one will no longer be able to tell men from succubi, then the time is near.”


>People will build houses everywhere, high houses, low houses, one after another. When everyone builds, when everywhere buildings rise, everything will be cleared away.”


>“There will be a holy Sign in the heavens, that a very severe Master will come and take off the Skin of the People. He will not rule very long, then when all that has happened as I said, then comes the great Clearing Away.”


>“There will be weapons totally new. In one day, more men will die than in all the previous wars. The battles will be accomplished with artificial weapons.”


>“Gigantic catastrophes will happen. With the open eyes, the nations of the planet will go through these catastrophes. They won’t know what is happening, and those that know and tell, will be silenced.”


>“Everything will be different from before, and in many places the Earth will be a great cemetery. The third war will be the end of many nations.”

 No.64949

>>64948
>“The Bavarian land will be devastated, and the land of Bohemia (Bohemia is 2/3 of the Czech Republic) will be cleaned out as by a broom. Over all these places and over the Bohemian mountains will come the Reds… not the French, but the Reds.”

>You, my children, won’t experience the largest mischief, you my grandchildren, won’t also experience it, but the third stock, that will easily experience it.”


>“Over night it will take place –in a pub in Zwiesel (a cityin Bavariaknown for its glass) many people will be together, and outside the soldiers will ride over the bridge. The people will run out of the forest.Those who hide themselves at the Fuchsenriegel (a place in Austria) or at the Falkenstein (a stone castle, building with thick walls of stone?) remain spared. Who survives must have an iron heading.”


>“The people become ill, and nobody can help them . . .” “However it will continue, and what follows then, is the end of the world. Sky and earthburn, because it is the time when everything comes to an end. And this time will be, when the wild hunt with fire and sulphur roars over the country.”


>After this, he said,“No humans will know anymore where Zwiesel and where Rabenstein (German towns) havebeen. Of all frights this will be the last. When the people fall off the bank like the flies off the wall, the last time begins. It will be horrible.


>“But when however, someone at the whole Danube stream finds still another cow, then she is worth it to be attached with a silver bell by the owner.”


“After these events it will be a miracle, if one still sees twoor three rulers going together. After these events the clarity will be anew, and those who survived, will face a good time for hope.”

>“Then afterward a good time will come, that which is Loved by Jesus Christ, and holy men will do wonders. Once people have their faith again, a long period of peace will follow. Those who are still alive will be given housing and as much land as they need. And the more hands one has, the more you will count.”


>“Then there will be a shortened summer; winter and summer will not be distinguishable. Although everything around the Danube is wasted and dead, there will be people living in the woods and they will build houses in the woods —beautiful houses, in fact, because all bad things are over and all difficulties have been surpassed. And soon the nettles will grow out of the old buildings. And the forest will grow again without war and death.”


>“Those who begin a new will build a church and praise God. Those who survive will say to each other ‘Brother, are you still living?’ and greet one another saying, ‘Jesus Christ be praised!’ This will not only be with us, but over the whole world. Right will become right again and peace will govern for many years.”

 No.65820

>>64948
I wonder if we really we are in the last times predicted. Almost every prophet of the past centuries warn of a time very similar of we are living it. Even the virgin mary warn us in portugal, bosnia and in japan

 No.66281

>>58904
I definitely believe in them. It's my goal that one day I'll meet them.

 No.66563

>>54297
As somebody who regularly hallucinates; I can honestly say that the whole "paranormal experience" is awfully disappointing. The most vivid hallucinations I've had since 2019 occurred after waking up in the middle of the night and they lasted something like 2 to 5 seconds or less. The most vivid ones occurred in 2019–once or twice–and never again. And the things that I saw weren't particularly impressive. Perhaps the most vivid hallucination I ever had was that of a small statuette (less than a foot tall) of what appeared to be a robed, humanoid figure on my dresser. It stood there motionless for less than five seconds before disappearing.

I still hallucinate daily. Nobody sees what I see. Not even my dogs react to the things I see. Not even actual psychics and witch doctors see this shit. I could be walking around outside in broad daylight among huge crowds of people seeing all sorts of crazy fucked up shit and everyone around me is just going about their business nonchalantly.

 No.66578

>>66563
does it seem like it could make sense, as in stemming from the unconscious? are you ever able to tell "hmm yeah, I see where that is coming from/symbolyzing"?


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