/hob/ - Hobbies

>>69438
I put the Edge Panel (A.K.A. Taskbar/Dock) on the left and now it sort of reminds me of Ubuntu with Android/One UI having both it on the left, and a top panel, even if said panel is transparent here. I don't know, I just like how it reminds me of my favorite Linux distro, and the iconic Unity DE, though even nowadays with GNOME they still go for this look somewhat.

I personally use openSUSE Tumbleweed GNU/Linux, it's been alright so far. Albeit thinking about switching distros out to something that doesn't update quite as frequently.

I use Ubuntu 24 LTS. Yes, I know Ubuntu is one of the worst distros. For me it's just really convenient, just install and it werks, very little tinkering or tweaking. I know this kind of hesitancy is how normies end up on windows for their entire life.
I only use my laptop for internet browsing anyway.

how do you play video game?

>>70564
Linux h4xx0rz have elevated beyond the need for video game.

Just switched to antiX from Ubuntu (rumor has it they're packing the next version with AI nonsense - so I'm out).

Been done with Windows for a while but not really a Linux nerd. Gnome 3 was fine; loved Fedora, Ubuntu and Debian.

I wish I was tech literate. having A linux OS sounds cool

>>70569
Linux for desktop use is still trash, you have to choose between two janky display servers, one that's like 40 years old and the other is jank

None of the android display solutions have been ported to desktop linux, that gpl license is worthless

>>70570
why people are using linux distros if it is jank shit? I will never know; just because the software is written differently to work with an hardware

>>70575
Because windows is "Fascist" and "invades your privacy" and doesn't "respect your freedoms". Those using Linux as a protest against windows are the embodiment of "cutting off your nose to spite your face".

>>70576
I want a linux now

I wonder if any of you linux users could enlighten me on how reproducible your systems are for laymen.

I've used debian/ubuntu/fedora messed with others before during my neet/college failing days and to me it seems like a bad OS for the future.
Computers will be locked down, force intrusive spyware on you and if you have hoarded anything it might just snitch on you as well.
At least with windows I can have the OS on a USB, all my software and drivers on another USB and just reinstall from there without an internet connection if need be.

For linux stuff you need a repository of some sort, and even if you use the "new" container stuff you'll end up needing to connect to some server eventually once something breaks.
Windows I can in a very layman/unga-bunga way reproduce my systems easily.
Windows also has a lot of very serviceable drivers baked in so I know it's something I can rely on.

I'm planning to buy some used thinkpads if I can find any for cheap to have some old XP machines and maybe a win7 machines as well. It could probably run a lot of VNs once I find a good source to hoard those too.

TLDR: I don't like how mandatory an internet connection seems for linux systems in general.

>>70735
I've never understood this argument. Do you want to be able to reproduce your installation on different machines in some supposed internet blackout You can make custom ISOs on Windows, Linux, BSD and probably Solaris and OSX too. Why would windows be more suited for the job than linux?

>>70735
You'll be happy to know that Linux does not require an internet connection to function at all and that USB installation is the standard method for most distros out there. No offense intended but it's very clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>70736
>you can make custom ISOs on Windows, Linux, BSD and probably Solaris and OSX too.
Well yes obviously you can but again that guy really is completely clueless.

>>70736
Again, if I know the few pcs/laptops I own, I can just have everything I need set aside on USBs EASILY and I understand them well enough to know I'm fine whatever happens.
I can just click next next done… yeah I could mirror my entire boot drive, and software etc, but eventually something breaks and it's very likely to "just work" even on other PCs.
Software is another point.
I can just have the installers ready, all dependencies baked into them with the redistributables, no need to hunt down anything later on, no need to update for any reason, no need to emulate.
>Why would windows be more suited for the job than linux?
Simplicity, by default compatibility and by-design software distribution differences.

>>70737
No clue why you even bother with this hyperhostile response while failing to understand what I asked.

Even on the most "just works" distros your point might only ever be valid if you have an offline backup of the repo and that will only help you with stuff that is already packaged at the point in time for your specific system when you decided to make a backup.
No compatibility with future software releases because whoops my dependencies are fucked, whoops something is broken/incompatible I need to hunt down a fix which, again, needs an internet connection.
You really think when you copy paste some command into your console or install something with a package manager and the screen flashes with a ton of text for you in the process it just magically pulls all of that out of the wall socket?

Again, I'll give you two USB drives.
Your job is to set up 3 different computers (offline), one has an AMD cpu/igpu with an NVIDIA gpu, the other has no gpu, the third has an AMD gpu.
All this while they have to be compatible with running a set of software, half of which might require some form of emulation.

Even ignoring the specifics of needing emulation, let us assume that all software you will run is native to linux in some form. Can you reproduce your setup flawlessly with the given resources?
I don't doubt it.
I hope you might see how windows lends itself better to this task in much more simple ways especially once we account for software compatibility out of the box.

>>70735
>>70738
The easiest way would be to take some atomic distro like Fedora Atomic for example, mount their base image, add all stuff you need there and repackage as new OS image. "Future" problems are the same everywhere. If you didn't include some drivers you needed it won't work neither for offline Windows nor for offline Linux unless you bring them later via usb or connect to the internet.

>>70738
> Software is another point. I can just have the installers ready, all dependencies baked into them with the redistributables, no need to hunt down anything later on, no need to update for any reason, no need to emulate.
On Linux this will come as flatpaks and appimages. Single files that include everything needed for app to work.

>>70739
I disagree with the second part just based on my personal history with these, but I'm sure things improved tremendously in the past decade.
In general yeah the Atomic distro example was something I was looking into and hoping some have experiences to share about.
Any of you ever messed with them yourselves?
Anecdotal experiences of wizards are more value to me than specs and hypotheticals.

I wonder how truly universal those are though. I reckon at the very least I would have to make a separate image for each device.

>>70740
That is also more of a hypothetical thing that I've yet to witness myself working without issues.
Do you think you could reasonably go without updating your base system for 4-6 years and still use new releases by utilizing flatpaks/appimages?
I've had the same XP installer disc work on computers a decade apart, same for win7 etc.
I reckon if I found new hardware that was considered junk I'd be able to install something from one of my USBs on it and have it be a useful device if need be. I don't see this level of universality in linux.

Btw. if you have any recommendation for a specific path I could test I'm more than willing to.
I don't doubt that I could just take the latest stable release of any distro and get it to install, but to get anything else on it is dubious in my mind, especially if anything proprietary at all is needed.

>>70741
Honestly, this is a very interesting topic and I don't really know. I just did a quick search in thread and I see there is no mentions of the term "airgapped". And this is exactly how it's called. I suggest to read whatever you can find using this term:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux+for+airgapped

Here are some hypotheses I have, all untested:

AppImages are the best candidate for software working after years of not updating the system, BUT they are often just broken as-is even on recently updated system, many apps still don't package them properly.

Flatpaks may work, but they definitely have some internal dependency stuff, but I'm not entirely sure it's actually needed for apps themselves, or just for flatpak infrastructure keeping itself working with current system version, so it's possible that those dependencies are only needed for flatpaks to keep working after you update the system, but if don't update it at all, newly installed end-user app flatpaks may keep working without those internal dependency updates. As an example, when you update your system nvidia drivers, flatpak needs to update its internal nvidia flatpak packages.

I also think many systems have one or another way to pull in their native packages with all dependencies, so for example there might be a way to ask apt or other package manager to fetch a package and all its dependencies. And actually many of those package managers download metadata of all packages and then work with this local metadata, which means, you can transfer package db metadata to airgapped PC, then run dependency resoltion there, get a recipe (what versions of dependencies need to be fetched / etc), then transfer this recipe to network-connected PC, execute there and transfer results to airgapped PC.

Regarding something that can be installed on multiple PCs needing different drivers, another idea I've just got is to actually make your own package repository that you will install stuff from on your system. I think many package managers support this. You basically configure some local files as repository for systems package manager and it will be possible to install different sets of packages depending on current hardware.

>>70743
Thanks. I'll try to mess around with flatpaks and see where that takes me.
So far for this usecase I really think my solution is much much simpler and idiotproof.

>AppImages are the best candidate for software working after years of not updating the system, BUT they are often just broken as-is even on recently updated system, many apps still don't package them properly.
Indeed. This is why I had my doubts about this route to begin with.

>>70738
>Again, if I know the few pcs/laptops I own, I can just have everything I need set aside on USBs EASILY and I understand them well enough to know I'm fine whatever happens.
Oh, so you just want an easy GUI OS.

>I can just have the installers ready, all dependencies baked into them with the redistributables, no need to hunt down anything later on, no need to update for any reason, no need to emulate.
OP, what the heck changes from windows? If you need to update you also need internet on windows. If for some reason you dont want the dependency system, even if it has no reason at all to break if you never touch the package manager again (since you dont want to use the internet anymore), you can just compile static binaries. Even windows has programs that need certain versions of libraries. They wont magically break offline.

>Symplicity, by default compatibility and by-design software distribution differences.
More like, Stupidity, by default compatibility thanks to its popularity and i have zero idea what that last business term is supposed to mean.
This is a very stupid argument. You just like windows because you're used to it.

>whoops my dependencies are fucked, whoops something is broken/incompatible I need to hunt down a fix which, again, needs an internet connection.
Dependencies dont break offline. Online, they barely break on Arch anymore, literally never on BSDs. Do you work for microshit or something?

>You really think when you copy paste some command into your console or install something with a package manager and the screen flashes with a ton of text for you in the process it just magically pulls all of that out of the wall socket?
Ok OP i get it, you're some guy, probably in some CS college course or some IT job, frustrated that some colleague uses linux, so you have to make up silly excuses about your windows installations being "superior".

>>70743
Airgapped means you never connect it to the internet or to any other external device after installation. Not what you want to do.

>>70745
Am I reading some dude roleplaying as a /g/ meme on wizchan? Or are you really just willfully ignorant?

>>70746
Ohh the one-liner answer to the wall of text? Touched a nerve sweetie?

>>70745
>>70747
Average Archtard

>>70753
Just to clarify I did not respond to you the last time. Nor did I care much. Based on the content already in the thread I wouldn't say it's derailing exactly, but I'm fine with calling it that.
Fair enough if some mods decide to delete my posts.
Again I'm still unsure why you are so overly hostile about this (misinterpreting or misunderstanding everything I wrote), to me using linux would be preferable if it actually suited my needs.
I don't feel tribal about either.

>>70754
I have no idea who do you think you're replying to. Maybe specify it first.

>>70745
> Airgapped means you never connect it to the internet or to any other external device after installation. Not what you want to do.
It's often used in sense "not connected to any realtime networks, such as ethernet, wifi or bluetooth, but you can bring files in and out using physical carriers like USB for example".

>>70758
That looks pretty cool. How much of this gets hidden if you open something fullscreen?

>>70759
All panels are set to "dodge windows", when browser is active and maximized for example, they're all hidden by default, and only pop up (overlaying browser without resizing it) when I move cursor to the edge of screen.

Notice how most of the desktops posted here have CPUs from 10 years ago or 8 gb ram, it’s probably because people who make these threads are larping and install those distros on old laptops they rarely use while their actual everyday PC probably has a generic windows build

>>70761
I'd say it's a 50-50 between larping and poverty. The latter group seem to enjoy what they got a lot more too.

>>70761
We get it, you really like Windows. Can you stop derailing the thread without even saging now?

>>70761
Desktop ricing looking cool vs being nice for everyday use are things that are often in direct conflict. Because very often cool colors, transparency effects and quirky fonts are actually painful to use long-term. That's why I settle for default color scheme for terminal, browser and vscode for example, but allow TokyoNight for window decoration (>>70758), even though there is TokyoNight themes for all of those. And I also make it so my rice doesn't get in the way when windows are maximized like explained in >>70760.

>>70763
>:(
wizbro not every poster is the same person here. Wish we had poster IDs or something.

This site don't let me post any images, it says this: "In order to upload files you must disable your proxy at this time". But I haven't any proxy

I don't actually use this silly config but I made this for fun some time ago. I still use fvwm though

>>70761
I think you're a fucking idiot. But don't take it to heart; instead just believe that I'm only LARPing as someone who thinks that.

There are a lot of reasons to believe these fresh installs of generic popular Linux versions with minimal alteration or program installs are genuine. For starters, consider how most of the Internet's users these days, especially on Wizchan, are broke third-worlders who can't even afford the electricity to power a desktop PC. Toasters are all they have, and the main selling point of Linux is that it supposedly runs well (as well as Linux can) on old hardware. Compound this with the fact that Thirdies (ironically) don't know how to pirate Windows and you have a good recipe for a disproportionate amount of tech-illiterate brown 'nixkids interjecting themselves in to the 'nix subculture with their untoasted breadboard desktops. That's their normal, and these threads appear to them as a celebration of that normalcy. They post to affirm that they are normal.

Also consider how many people, especially the youths, don't have any need or want for computing ability beyond what a cellphone can offer. Everything they do can be delegated to a couple of apps that are just web browsers in their own right. The average kid isn't digging through filesystems to crack games, installing mods, doing any video editing or art… They browse YouTube and social media and maybe play Fortnite on Steam. Linux is perfect for this style of computing so their old highschool netbook just acts as a bigger smartphone.

You also need to realize that even for a Westerner on NEETbux, old hardware is normal hardware. The need to upgrade only comes with a desire to do more with a system, and the cost of upgrading has gone up. Performance increases have been plateaued for a decade now so enthusiast hardware from 10 years ago still holds a candle to today's expensive iterations. The desire to play all the current vidya has waned out of being the dominant goal for even hardcore GVMERS, and the quality and quantity of old games is good enough that there's no need to upgrade hardware. Superficial roadblocks such as Steam's GUI version not supporting windows 7 is enough to make GVMERS who only play CLVSSIC GVMES hop on to Ubuntu or something so they can maintain seamless access to all the good old shit they bought on Steam for like a dollar.

Finally, it's important to remember that nobody cares! No one besides the most depraved perverts will waste time arguing online about operating systems. There's pretty much a zero percent chance that anyone will reply to your post.

>>70767
What make it silly? To me it looks cool

>>70768
>don't know how to pirate Windows
They do. All of them have pirated windows

>>70769
well it's a little "unorthodox" lol. I made it because i collected a bunch of 90s unix xpm icons at the time and I frickin love them. Picrel inspired me lol. Yes it's a total larp but it's fun

>>70772
I swear to you man I'm still savouring your desktop.
How long did it take you to make it?

>>70775
i really did not expect that
not much really. the position of the icons, the pager in the bottom right and the xterm icons are the default fvwm openbsd config (picrel). i knew how the fvwmrc config works already (i previously made an SGI IRIX themed one) so i just took a look at some xpm icons that i found and put them in the ~/.fvwmrc file. I can share the icons, the tiles or even the configs in a tarball if you want. or some old ass websites for old xpm icons

>>70776
I didn't know fvwm, it looks like my style. I use xfce with a windows xp classic style. I'd like try out your desktop but I am some lazy and don't want to make you upload your configs unnecessarily.

what's your main desktop?

>>70778
it's fine. xfce can also be made to look somewhat "retro".
i'm still on fvwm because it's in the base distribution, with a config mostly similar to the default one with some changes on the menu (the config is piss easy), but openbsd has an old (security patched) version because fvwm switched to GPL in the late 90s/early 2000s. sometimes i switch to cwm, it's basically dwm but easier and also in the base distribution.

This https://datagubbe.se/1yearconf/ is a config for the fvwm version you're likely to find on linux. this https://cs.gettysburg.edu/~duncjo01/archive/ is an archive of many old icons, and this https://xteddy.org/xwinman/ is basically a showcase of many old X window managers, including fvwm, afterstep (which is something like >>56807) etc.

>>70781
you always have that wallpaper or did you only put it to show it?

>>70788
i always use wallpapers like that, i change wallpaper frequently because im bored and jaded all the time

>>70789
I see. I couldn't use a wallpaper like that even one time.