No.56584
>>56480Totally and 100% ok.
No.56601
>>56583>GIANT MALE BODY PART!lol americunts
No.56616
i hate cartoons but i watched superman red son yesterday, no surprise that "it was too cartoonish" is my biggest complaint. i hated the art style and handwavy explanations and asspulls but enjoyed the basic plot and idea of a soviet superman
No.56617
>>56616Dude that was the least for "cartoony" cartoon you could go, I bet you will go crazy with the shit posted on /b/
No.56620
>>56616it changed a lot of stuff from the comic
No.56621
>>56616>hates cartoons>still watches cartoons despite hating them>complains that he hated it>on in a thread about a subject he hatesWhy do people do this?
And why is it always cartoons that bring out such people?
Do people go to the anime threads just to point out how much they hate anime?
No.56622
>>56621>Do people go to the anime threads just to point out how much they hate anime?yes actually
No.56623
test
No.56624
>>56623>>>/test/Don't do that here or any of the other surface threads.
No.56626
>>56621"i hate cartoons" is just an exaggerated opinion based on what little cartoons i've watched as an adult, it doesn't mean i cannot watch any cartoons. it doesn't mean i automatically know i'll hate future cartons. it looked cool so i gave it a watch, and i didn't hate it overall, only some aspects of it.
No.56628
>>56621>Do people go to the anime threads just to point out how much they hate anime?yeah it's very common
No.56630
>>56436I finally got around to watching Wolfwalkers today. Unfortunately I had to torrent it because I'm not gonna pay for Apple Plus or whatever it's called just to watch one movie, I'll buy a physical copy if they ever make one just to support Cartoon Saloon though. It's a fairly basic retelling of an Irish folktale and it drags on a bit towards the end but god damn it's probably the most beautiful animated film released in the past 15 years (eat your heart out Spider-verse).
8/10
No.56634
>>56625I love Xavier its one of my favorite shows
No.56640
>>56625Not a fan myself.
Just didn't find most of the jokes funny.
It also isn't very nice to look at.
No.56641
>>56625my all time favorite adult swim show. nearly every single line of dialogue is layers of jokes.
No.56651
>>56625wish it was online in quality HD
No.56814
>>56813>Amphibia(I know sacrilege lol)How is it compared to Craig of the Creek?
>>56630I dropped it half the way. Dunno, i've seen too many of this cutie nature vs bad humans shit, predictable.
And jesus fuck this every time:
>Oh father give me a minute and i'll explain every~>NO YOU LISTEN I LOVE YOU SO MUCH DO WHAT I SAY NO TIME FOR THIS CHILDPLAY LETS EAT RAW FISH AND SLEEP WHAT A LIFE>eat your heart out Spider-versenah, that one was more appealing to the eye
No.57106
First ep impression of the dragon prince is pretty negative.
I fucking hate when CGI uses limited inconsistent 12 frames a second animation. It makes my eyes hurt and there isn't budgetary reasons to do it.
You can tell it really wants to be anime but isn't too.
And it is already off to a anti-human pro-nature hippy dippy bullshit in even the opening.
Saving graces is most of the characters are kind of likable so far and their interactions are stock but serviceable.
First season only has 9 ep so I will at least watch it that far before giving my final judgment but I am not impressed with what I have seen in the first ep. Maybe it gets better but I am not holding my breath.
No.57183
¿What happened to Thurop Van Orman after CN cancelled Flapjack? That show was the weirdest thing Cartoon Network ever had.
No.57203
>>57183Why do you keep doing
¿this?
Stop it.
No.57627
Does anybody here have a thing for obscure animation? Things like old stop motion shorts and soviet animation. It’s like watching cartoons from another universe. I think there’s 2 stop motion shorts of the hobbit . The first one is J. R. R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit (1966) and the other one is called Skazochnoe puteshestvie mistera Bilbo Begginsa, Khobbita. Try with “Russian Hobbit”
No.57643
>>57571Maddie, maddie, maddie!
No.57838
I just read a news report on RT about Disney rejecting scripts because they are not enough inclusive, even if the scripts are great. I don’t know is this is true, but it won’t surprise me. I wonder if CN, nickelodeon, Netflix and the other streaming platforms do the same. Political correctness is gonna kill everything, from cartoons to music, and even history and literature. Someday some people would say Shakespeare, Cervantes and almost any other writer is a white supremacist because their works are not inclusive.
No.57854
>>57838Other major networks (unrelated to cartoons) have been doing similar shit for years.
Like rejecting shows that are "too male focused" so threw away a sure money maker that was the show Sylvester Stallone and Doth Lundgren were pitching around like a couple years ago for that reason.
I think it will effect cartoons a little less because it is easier to superficially change characters during the pitch/writing phase unless it's based on some source material.
>wah, there aren't enough coloreds fuck it, they are all anthro monkeys now, you happy.
>wah, that's racistNo, everybody is a monkey in the show now. It's equal monkey with no human races like planet of the apes or something.
>Are you mansplaining my own feelings?>I feel it's racist so it is and I don't have to explain myselfI can't mansplain because I identify as a masculine presenting trans succubus.
>oh no, sorry for misgendering you>Such a brave succubus, I guess we can give you a shotOr something along those lines.
I just want more action shows with good animation regardless of the politics of the people or companies involved, but SJW types tend to dislike such shows because they appeal to boys, who they hate and require talent which they don't have.
No.57928
>>57927Those shows always inexorably include that shit because we need something that the norms and succubi can understand.
No.57938
>>57928Not when they have good world builders/writers.
There are more then a few shows where the other world is actually otherworldly and doesn't have whatever is hip with the age demo inorganically shoved in.
No.57984
>>57977WHy ATHF ever got axed is beyond me especially wit how the show matured over time I mean just look at the last few seasons it was amazing
I hope the movie is not just a shitpost like the first movie was it was pure trash I could not enjoy since leaving my very early teens
No.58158
>>58154actually really good
i was thinking this would be a good reference tool for artists, something that lets you pose the face with expressions like that. im sure it already exists though
No.58159
>>58158I mean it is literally a in house reference used when you have several teams working on a project.
Something similar to additional references included with character bibles.
Base expressions that the animators and riggers can reference while keeping things on model, which Disney pays strict adherence to the vast majority of the time.
The process of animation is almost as fascinating as the end work. At least to me.
No.58228
>>58226Thanks for sharing this.
No.58361
I read in Wikipedia about a sequel of Labyrinth who is going to be made by Marvel Studios. I wonder if they will use puppets or if Brian Froud is going to do the designs, and who is gonna write it. I really hope Trevor Jones will do the ost again. Jareth will not be the same without David Bowie, is really a shame he died without acting the character again. Neil Gaiman in The View from the Cheap Seats says, there’s a version of Labyrinth of 3 hours of length, I wonder if the Jim Henson Company will release that version for the 40 anniversary in 2026.
No.58364
>>58363I wouldnt expect too much from it, I watched their castlevania series and it started out ok, following the real events, but quickly went out the window. They basically rushed through the entire main story of castlevania 3 so that they could start doing OC shit, which was unsurprisingly, shit. They even fucked up the Bloody Tears cover in the battle with dracula and made it feel so weak and dramatic when the original was deliberately powerful and energetic. They portrayed dracula as some washed up fool when in reality it should have been like Jojo vs Dio tier levels of epic. I can't forgive netflix for fucking up so bad.
No.58375
>>58363I strongly suspect they will bait and switch.
Starting off playing to the fans to get merch sells going then halfway through go full progressive.
Not that I even care. I was into he-man when I was 4 and 5 but by the time I was 8 I lost interest in anything to do with he-man. Had too much dead air and the world never felt all that interesting. It wasn't a place I could imagine adventuring in. So once I got over
>Cool sword makes guy strong when catchphrase is saidI was over the whole franchise.
Maybe if they really do something special with the world building and fix the pacing problems that the series has always had then I might get invested. A pretty art style isn't enough to convince me that it won't be lame.
No.58376
>>58375At least from the trailer it looks they’re gonna focus on the fight scenes, which I think could be a good direction considering the original’s combat was basically he-man transforms and smacks skeleton upside the head and that’s it. Though it was pretty hilarious seeing them try and make orko of all characters look cool.
No.58383
>>58365>Summer Camp IslandIt's peak globohomo. It belonged alongside violence, treason, and incest as soon as it casually presented the concept of someone having two gay fathers as so normal that nobody even questioned it. Good riddance.
No.58384
>>58383As someone with two gay fathers, thank you. This shit is cruel and deserves eradication.
Sageru for off topic though.
No.58385
>>58383>>58384Can you not be a /pol/tard here.
No.58442
Have some…
Sturgill Simpson Presents Sound & Fury | Clip: Ultra-Violent Anime Madness | Netflix Anime
>>58363>>58364Same animation studio as Castlevania?
No.58444
>>58442>>58443That animation wasn't made by the Japanese and is therefor not anime, no matter what the dykes at Netflix call it.
No.58449
>>58446Nice, still have to watch season 2.
No.58455
>>58444It is literally made by Japanese people in Japan by a Japanese production company.
Why are you lying?
No.58635
>>58449Finished S2
wtf
Could be interesting, but I can already see (politics thread) finding its way in to it somewhere. Too many humans of color in that intro.
No.58728
How many cartoons based on fairy tales exist? I only Know the Storyteller and a French cartoon called tales of Broca Street. I think there was a show called Fairy Tale Theater, and other based on one and one thousand nights but, it only counts as a cartoon if they use puppets.
No.58739
>>58728>How many cartoons based on fairy tales exist?What makes you think anyone could even know that and give a real answer? There isn't a fully complete listing of every cartoon ever created and the most comprehensive ones aren't categorized by if something is based on a fairy tell or not, meaning that someone would ether have to do so manually or create a sorting program to do it.
What I am saying is no one actually knows and that is quite the big ask.
No.58743
content anonmage here (heh just made it up).
im going to list some cartoons i watch in no specific order.
>Dr Katz>Duckman>Undergrads (the tech character is apex wizard).>The Critic>Aeon Flux>Mission Hill>The Oblongs>Venture Bros>Moral Orel>Mary Shelleys FrankenHole>>56450>kNDbased knd enjoyer
ill add Ahhh Real Monsters thanks for the reminder
>>56625>Xavier Renegadei never got into it
>>57977>Venture Bros MovieHoly Fuck Yes! No.58748
>>56601i'm a hamburger, but even i hate most americans because they want to inject politics into FUCKING EVERYTHING.
i want to get back into watching cartoons again, but most "modern" ones are so full of politics that if i hear some blue haired faggot whine about "inclusivity" or "diversity" one more fucking time then i'm gonna be fedposting the local dnc hq
>>56625great fucking show. my brother and i autistically parrot XRA at each other to this day.
No.58750
>>58748lol
every friday night i tell my sister how its actually taco tuesday
No.58858
Victor and Valentino is worth watching? Compared with El Tigre, I think is full of wasted potential. Manny and Frida were two little motherfuckers who always make plans to steal or destroying things. Miracle city was a cartoon version of the Mexico DF, a hell of a town for people of the U.S and even for his own citizens. In Victor and Valentino almost everything is so polite and mild.
No.58867
>>58858I haven’t watched tv in about 5 years but my PC broke this weekend and I’m trapped in a hotel, so I decided to watch some. And holy shit, all the modern cartoons that are airing are the same as victor and vinny, that is to say boring with incredibly wimpy and milquetoast characters. So no, it’s not worth it, and neither is anything airing.
No.58902
How good is the prequel of Dark Crystal? I discovered the show thanks to a video dedicated to Brian Froud. I think it was canceled because of how expensive was doing just one episode; maybe cartoons are cheaper than puppets.
No.58906
>>58902Puppets aren't cartoons or animation.
Ask the thread about tv shows.
No.58907
>>58854Wow, I haven't listened that song in years. I always found that video pretty cool, but I can see why some kids could find it scary back then.
By the way, here are a few cool "creepy" stop-motion movies:
>The Secret Adventures of Tom Thumbhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8G_imDKpVAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvDJrBXEsDY>One Night in One Cityhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWG81TJgC8chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iffi-oksaE>Pied Piperhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FULgBnb1bywhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xlbvRy2-Kg No.58912
Those cartoons produced by Steven Spielberg (Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, Pinky and the Brain and Freakazoid) are genuinely good or is just nostalgia? Speaking of that, are their reboots really good or the writers are using the same felling?
No.58921
>>58912Haven't got around to watching the reboots but if you don't mind the dated references they are really good. It isn't just nostalgia.
No.58922
>>58912Most are pretty good, but they aren’t as universally classic as say, the old looney toons.
No.58970
>>58968It's netflix so what can you expect? Not that I'm completely clean of pairing robots together in my head fanfics, but actually putting it in to a show? lmao
No.58977
>>58906>Puppets aren't cartoons or animation.Yes they are. Puppets are inanimate objects that, when moved, create an illusion of life. In other words, they are animated.
>>58902It was good, but it will leave a void in your soul when finished. Some people fill that void with The Barbarian and the Troll, I know I did. It's a comedy and some of the humor is "cheesy", but it's campy fun. It's the one modern Nickelodeon original I can think of that doesn't appeal exclusively to kids with ADHD
No.58978
>>58968>They don't have genitalia and don't sexually reproduce, don't have romantic relationshipsThey're just appealing to the franchise's main demographic
https://tinyurl.com/yukexruh No.58979
>>58977Fuck all the way off.
No.58983
>>58979I will not. Give puppets a chance, wiz.
No.58985
>>58983Why the fuck do you keep shitting up the thread with things that aren't cartoons?
If it isn't a cartoon it doesn't belong in the cartoon thread.
Fuck off.
Dealt with the same bullshit with some retard posting anime in the thread.
It doesn't belong in this thread.
You know full well it doesn't belong in this thread.
Get a life and stop.
No.58987
Tried watching Xico's Journey
Oh god is it a stinker. Cheap, ugly, stupid, and paced poorly to be boring.
Worst yet it is even more in your face with it's dumb eco/political message then FernGully. Very obnoxious.
You can probably also tell it's one of those thing made for children by someone who bearly interacts with children kind of thing from the writing and overall structure.
Just dreadful in every regard.
1 out of 5. Don't waste your time.
No.59273
I had skimmed over a Family Guy episode called "Brian's Play", and honestly, a bunch of missed opportunities.
Brian makes a play, it actually goes well so Stewie makes a play in a day, Brian reads it, gets real jealous, tells Stewie the play's bad and eventually tries to destroy it. Stewie finds out, tells him off spectacularly. In another rendition of Brian's play (where everything is still going well), Stewie rubs his success in Brian's face by saying he's going to Hollywood. They both go, some playwrights or something insult Brian's play without knowing he was the playwright, Stewie gives up on his play to make Brian feel bad, end.
So many missed lessons here and so many missed character growth opportunities. I feel like Brain was kind of an idiot lying to Stewie and trying to destroy the play but Stewie rubbing it in made him a dick. Him giving up on the play doesn't make him any less talented or a bad friend.
So many different lessons like how Brian's play was actually a huge success compared to his book, "Faster than the Speed of Love" ever was. No readers vs a huge crowd of people. A huge improvement and that affection he said he wanted. Brian's play was also praised very highly by critics. Him getting jealous is totally reasonable if not for Stewie being a genius already. As for those people who insulted his play, just ignore them. The lesson could be to focus on improvements instead of what you want to be in the future. So sad he let other people get in the way of his dream. By the way, obviously he was letting the reviews get to his head. Still, it's just another opportunity to tone down Brian's crappy personality traits and develop him as a better writer and person. In the end, it was one development and a bunch of take downs on his character. I wish he could have accepted his dream coming true and finally coming to peace with his writing or something. He's been a drunkard because of his "inability" to write for a while.
No.59330
>>58968Why. It’s not only Netflix, is every network now. Why every cartoon needs to has his own gay or dike character? Those people exist, but it seems forced that almost every show has its own gay couple. The most forced one I know is Luz and Amity from the owl house. Amity develops a crush on Luz only in a few episodes, even if she hated her before. Also, I can´t stop noticing Amity dyes his hair just the same color Dana Terrace used to dye his own hair. Maybe is a coincidence.
I don’t care if a character is gay; the thing I can’t understand is this
>X character develops a crush on another character of the same Gender
>Y character also has a crush on the X character. Even if he/she used to have a crush for a character of the opposite sex.
>Now they are a couple.The only thing I know where one of the characters shows anger or disgust for being kissed by a character of his same sex is the last issue of Miracleman written by Neil Gaiman. I know this thread is for cartoons, but this was the only example I know
No.59397
>>59298I hear it's good but still haven't got around to watching it.
I also heard it got canceled, so that means while it was popular with adult/older animation fans actually children probably weren't wild about it and it underpreformed in the numbers or in merch sells. Shame since streaming in theory should open the way to shows with a older audience should still be able to find their place and get funded.
Maybe tech will keep progressing so that it will get even cheaper and easier for small teams to make quality animation on really small budgets.
No.59497
>>59298I hate this annoying trend of pretending this dumb doodles are somehow transformed something "serious" and add "lore" and "psychological" bullshit, it is an embarrassment, in the end is just ugly stick drawings for fat american children.
No.59499
>>59497good bye alaskan crab
Enjoy your bucket alone
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No.59684
Finally got around to watching Fire and Ice by Ralph Bakshi.
Holy shit does it look great. While the plot is a bit thin everything else makes up for it. It is also the best use of rotoscoping I have ever seen, and proof that it can work if you have a talented team that knows what the hell they are doing, even if some of the action felt "floaty" at times.
Also Teegra is painfully hot, even blowing most anime succubi out of the water. Bonk me with the horny stick all you want but "god damn she fine" is all I got to say on the subject.
Anyway it is a great looking film and overall a good action/adventure/fantasy film all be it a bit on the simple side.
I highly recommend it.
No.59712
Will be the Calarts style still a thing in the 2020s? I wonder what will be the style of this decade. Or maybe the bean and worm face will be here forever?
No.59723
>>59712Let me ask you this, can you even name a show currently airing in that style?
No.59726
>>59685>Also Teegra is painfully hot, even blowing most anime succubi out of the water. Bonk me with the horny stick all you want but "god damn she fine" is all I got to say on the subject. my brother
sword and sorcery shit from the 80s will always be awesome to me
No.59737
>>59723Amphibia, Big City Greens, We bare bears, Centaur world, Craig of the Creek, etc.
No.59739
>>59737How is We bare bears, Centaur world,Craig of the Creek, Big City Greens, or Amphibia calarts exactly?
The only thing visually similar about them is related to color use, which may have more to do with the tools used then style.
And as far as I can tell most/all the people involved in the production of those shows didn't actually go to California Institute of the Arts, nor is the typical "calarts style" employed. It would be great if you could actually define exactly what you mean by "calarts".
No.59740
>>59739If you can't or won't see it then there's nothing I can do.
No.59741
>>59740If you can't or won't explain yourself or even the basic definition or description of the thing you take issue with then a discussion on the topic is impossible.
Define your terms and explain yourself.
No.59744
>>59741I can.
>>59739Bean mouth, thin uniform lines, little to no shading, simplistic geometric shapes, mere circles for heads and for eyes, stuck in 3/4th view, disregard for anatomy and perspective.
No.59745
>>59744Would you describe We bare bears, Centaur world,Craig of the Creek, Big City Greens, or Amphibia as fitting this description?
Or any other currently airing show for that matter?
And does it even really matter when even movies like Iron Giant are/were called Calarts as a putdown.
I just seems to me to be a useless term for whatever trend in American animation someone personally doesn't like. So the meaning changes as taste and trends change, but it's always a generic insult and it rarely has much to do with California Institute of the Arts in any way.
No.59746
>>59745Why are you so hung up on cal arts? It's just a term for the style at this point, no one cares about the shitty art school.
No.59747
>>59746You are the one that brought the topic up and wanted to talk about it.
What the hell do you mean why am I hung up on it?
Why are you so hung up on it?
What the fuck?
No.59748
>>59747I mean the word. You're here arguing semantics when there is a clear style presented that you ignore.
No.59751
>>59748>there is a clear style presented that you ignore.There isn't at all
How do any of these look even remotely the same?
All are called calarts and none of them are stylistically similar enough to make whatever the fuck you can't seem to explain obvious.
The term is pointless and you don't know what you are talking about. You just expect people to somehow just know what your personal definition of a non-word is and act like it has ever had descriptive qualities that anyone has ever agreed on.
And for what reason?
Even if calarts had a coherent and agreed upon meaning, which it doesn't, it doesn't seem to mean much if things can vary so wildly in apparent and it isn't a indication of quality, labor, or talent on the part of the creators.
So in the end you can functionally swap out the word calarts and change the meaning of
>>59712to
>Will stuff I don't like but can't explain why still be a thing in this decade? I wonder if stuff I don't like will be the style of this decade. Or maybe ways of doing a face I don't like will be here forever? And the same amount of information was conveyed.
No.59753
>>59751I want to know where you ever saw anyone accuse iron giant of being calarts shit.
No.59756
>>59753That Retard who made Ren & Stimpy used to call the faux-disney look as "Calarts".
When I say Calarts I just meand "the modern simplistic, geometric, flat style western Animation has had since the late 90's"
No.59759
Calarts isn't actually a specific style or a useful descriptor.
No.59764
>>59763Whenever i see calarts mentioned it is in reference to the art style of specifically 1. Adventure time or 2. Steven universe. This guy
>>59744 gave a good definition and even a meme that illustrates the point and for some reason we are still discusses what it is.
No.59765
>>59764And to what end?
What is even the point anyway?
No.59770
>>59769Regardless the vast majority of the info presented is legit.
No.60106
>>60091>>60099>>>/test/Please stop.
This thread isn't for this.
No.60128
>>59848Funny, it's today that I've woken up with that tune stuck in my head.
So is there the original animation (i.e. the porn 'toon itself) somewhere on the net? I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I imagine it would barely have any value as fap material for me, but should be curious due to its viral/meme effect at least.
No.60129
>>60128I’m pretty sure it up on e621
No.60130
>>58986Thanks, will watch it. The trailer reminded me of White Snake, another Chinese feature-length animation. It was also okay in general and better visually, guess I can recommend it.
Honestly, I salute China seemingly beginning to excel at animated filmmaking recently. This is good for the fans in itself, but since the suicidal West wants to turn its film industry into yet another dumpster fire, it's 'beggars can't be choosers' for people.
No.60132
>>60130I really do need to get around to watching White Snake. It looks good and it's been on my to watch list for years.
No.60140
>>60135Do they still dump most of their stuff on newgrounds or have they finally moved on from there?
No.60143
>>60135I thought it was minus8.
No.60145
>>60135i like the porn one better
even the music was better
No.60258
Its been bugging me how the OP for a thread specifically for "animation related stuff from places that aren't Japan." 2/3 images in it are from Japan.
No.60259
>>60258Japanese animation has been quite influential for decades, now.
No.60260
>>60258It was posted due to the content and point because it's talking about animation as a whole as a medium of expression.
No.60353
Seems there's another "animation strike" happening in America. Let me make this clear; if you don't know how to physically draw action scenes, in full motion, you don't deserve your cushy Hollywood animation gig. They act like they deserve anything more than what they get for doodling storyboards, something completely useless in the long run when everything is puppet rigged by koreans. Inhouse animators broke their wrists to make art. These cunts act like they're too good for making shitty newgrounds animations, which is what their skill level equates to.
No.60361
>>60353quit trying to flame.
No.60410
>>60407Oh look, more jap shit where it doesn't belong.
There are dozens of other more appropriate threads to post this yet you choose the one where it's off topic.
No.60416
>>60410i thought a white guy made it though
No.60419
>>60416>There are dozens of other more appropriate threads to post this yet you choose the one where it's off topic.Not having this derail argument again.
Fuck off troll.
No.60726
>>60725It's interesting to see the culmination of these ex-Newgrounds guys' careers. They've been trying to break into the industry professionally for about a decade, now.
No.60729
>>60725>>60726These newgrounds and youtubers are funnier and more clever than hollywood writers.
No.60730
>>60729Maybe, but they suck at networking, logistics, and organizing large teams so it's rare they get far.
Animation is usually a large group effort once you get to the point of producing tv or feature length projects.
There are rare exceptions but most of those exceptions didn't come from newgrounds.
The main problem is the solo/small team workflow and tight community that causes the best success in the newgrounds and youtube short form content format don't translate to the large group networking, organization, and delegation skills necessary to make it in the mainstream. So it's rare for them to breakthrough unless they basically remake themselves to fit the shitty hollywood scene. Often losing the creative and unique things that made them stand out in the first place in the process.
No.61601
I was never into Transformers, not even the animes, but remember really liking Beast Wars when it came out. Re-watched it now. The first season was very disappointing, all the characters and their actions were excessively dumb, and it didn't even had a point, every episode the Maximals would do something dumb for no actual reason and be outdumbed by the Predacons, just to lead to five minutes of them shooting around each other, not that it would make any difference because when they landed a hit it was of no consequence. I know it's supposed to be just a pretext to sell toys, but that's not an excuse. But then came season 2 and it was absolutely amazing, great overarching plot, character development, several memorable moments, I'm glad I didn't drop. Season 3 dumbed down back, I don't know why they didn't keep the tone.
The Maximals were very uni-dimensional, either boring or annoying. Cheetor and Rattrap were too annoying, and I hated Silverbolt so fucking much. The "nonono if you kill bad guy then you bad guy" is stupid and got old fast. The Predacons were much deeper and better worked, even the ones that changed side. My favorite character was Dinobot, and Waspinator was legitimately funny. The power scale doesn't make sense either, one episode the character gets a new form and defeats everyone at the same time, then next episode he just gets inactive after a single shot. And some things were overdone like "shot from the back while being inattentive on the battlefield" and "crushed by a boulder that was behind". I will still try Beast Machines though, never had the chance to watch any of it when younger.
No.61777
>>59752The oscars are worthless garbage, especially when it comes to animation.
No.61984
>>60725I thought it was an ok show thats been extremely overhyped by people who have a parasocial relationship with the people who made it. I'm glad these guys are getting their shot rather than some dime a dozen LGBQT animation twitter psycho but the cult of personality shit around it is so obnoxious and i don't think the show is good enough to overshadow it. They're obviously still finding their feet so maybe season 2 will be better.
No.62134
A general distaste for the Walt Disney Company and its practices had solidify Nickelodeon's motivation to limit size and avoid feeling "corporate".
All of this was thrown out the window after Spongebob premiered.