/hob/ - Hobbies

>>68877
How do I stop being lazy and get motivated to draw more?

>>69675
Just draw more. If you can type on an imageboard you can draw. Draw what you want to draw instead of stressing over what you think you *should* draw in order to get better.

>>69675
I'm a beginner so take my advice as a pinch of salt. But what I do in order to draw some stuff is to listen to a music playlist and use gloves cause my hands get really cold. Also I recently started to use some books as references (for things like food, faces and clothes).
And as for motivation, maybe try to remember some weird/interesting dreams that you had recently. Today I dreamed about being a lifeguard and doing CPR to a drowning succubus.

>>69675
Just dont do it.
If drawing worries you so much it's obviously a bad thing, not laziness.
Otherwise even a stick figure would be fun to pull off..

>>69676
Thanks for the advice, anon! I'm trying to do just that and it helps.

>>69677
For a begginner your advice sure is good, loved the idea of drawing dreams, get in touch with our subconscious, that's really cool, anon.

>>69685
I really am just lazy, also depression makes it hard to enjoy even things I know I like.

>>69686
I mean I found a method that is effective so far, but you need patience, and a tolerance to cringe.
Basically just extert yourself as slowly, and gently, as possible.
Now I don't mean pretend to go slow, as you're still repressing energy, which will just implode. No.
Just do something, but adjust as much the speed as the momentum/force you're exerting. At first it'll be hard because you're accostomed to doing things at a certain rate. However, if you go at your normal speed, if not faster, you'll want to rush.
Meaning you'll want to finish it asap.
Meaning you want to get it over with
Meaning you just don't want it to stay in your mind.
Meaning you don't actually want to do it (hence why your brain implodes even if you "fake it till you make it").
However, if you extert yourself as gently, and by default slowly, as possible, your mind will take it easy as well.
Like I said it's working for me so far…

>>69690
This isn't bad advice… it's just that I work 7AM to 5PM, I'm home from 6PM to 6AM and the majority of those hours I have to spend sleeping to endure work, I might have 4 "free" hours in the day, which often aren't free at all because there's other things that I have to do which just so happen to not be my job, but are still work in a way, so naturally I rush though it all so I can have time to actually do everything I need to do, both chores and leisure. I think taking time would help, so this is genuinely excellent advice in my eyes, but sadly it's not viable for me right now, at least not on week days, on weekends though? I'll try this out!

>>69693
> I might have 4 "free" hours in the day, which often aren't free at all because there's other things that I have to do which just so happen to not be my job, but are still work in a way
That's "the 4HL", and it is by design.

>>69693
All righty then, good luck.
Though try to keep the tmi to a minimum.
This is /hob/, not /dep/.

>>69694
I've never heard of it before, sounds interesting, I'll take a deeper look.

>>69695
I see, I apologize. I admit I have the habit of writing and exposing a bit too much on forums and imageboards… I'll do better.

>>69686
>For a begginner your advice sure is good
Thanks, I started like ~3 months ago, so i'm glad to see my advice being useful. Here's some other things that might me useful:
»Start a sketchbook and date your drawings (even if they look ugly at the begining, you will soon start to see some improvement)
»Use a chronometer to estimate your total drawing time. (I have around ~74 drawing hours)
»Create the habit of drawing eveeyday by setting an specific "drawing time" (I personally draw from 9 to 10 pm)
»And if your mind is blank when trying to draw, dont be ashamed to use some references as inspiration.
>>69686
>I really am just lazy, also depression
Same, I procastinated a lot this summer, i'm try to lock in and increase the drawing hours somehow. Also about the depression, I never been diagnosed cause I never talked to a psychiatrist lol but the overwhelming feelings of futility had always been there, persistent within me, but after I started to draw, those feelings have significally decreased,furthermore
the act of materializing an idea out of thin air has filled me with hope.
And so I hope you also get better anon.

Also going to post some drawing I did today, I usually prefer to remain silent, due to being a dumb prefectionist afraid of attention lol but whatever, here goes nothing. Oh, and also forgive the mobile-posting, I can't post images from the PC

>>69699
Damn… 3 months? I think you're a lot better than I was when I was 3 months into drawing. I appreciate the set of advices, anon. I recommend going to a physician if you can afford it without much issue, though I know it and the medication can be tough in our pockets. I hope drawing helps both you and I to get out of this mindset we're stuck at, what's helping me get over mine is the not so small things, the things that might seem pointless, but that matter to us. When I come home from work, and I can post on the imageboards I like about my hobbies, and then go do those hobbies, its enough for me to feel pretty content with life, it's so nice.

I made thumbnails for a full length comic for the first time in almost 4 years…
the side effects of weed gummies after 2 days is still prominent, be gentle

>>69716
This is the drawing thread.

>>69718
Ah sorry.
Here is a self portrait then. <3

>>69714
>you're a lot better than I was when I was 3 months into drawing.
Really? Thanks for the kind words. But I honestly draw like trash most the time, my sketchbook is filled with 90% trash lol, I need to practice a lot more time daily though…
>I recommend going to a physician if you can afford it
Not to sound rude, but i dont think i will, being labeled as a "mentally ill weirdo" would destroy my career and relations with others. Sadly having mental problems is seen worse that being a criminal. Also trying to buy meds without a permit is illegal, so I'm just going to endure it and hope things get better.
>I hope drawing helps both you and I to get out of this mindset we're stuck at,
Agreed, also unrelated question but why do you draw? In my case I draw to express my feelings and my deranged worldview, ¿What are your motivations anon?
>I can post on the imageboards I like about my hobbies, and then go do those hobbies, its enough for me to feel pretty content with life
Yeah, same happens to me, posting on imageboards is the only cope i have left lol, unfortunately most of the art boards/threads are quite dead.
>>69716
>I made thumbnails for a full length comic
Sound interesting, what is the comic about? And ¿Do you have any tips to make a comic? Cause I wanna start one myself, but i have no idea how.
>>69718
>This is the drawing thread.
Then post (you)r drawings anon.
>>69719
Very expressive drawing anon, i really like the silly expressions lel.

Also here a ugly drawing i did some days ago, but inked today. My hatching technique is awful lol

>>69720
Oh, I forgot to post the image kek.

I know both of these are atrocious, but I feel somewhat proud of them. I've mostly been just copying references mindlessly for a while and got burnt on it, and forcing myself to draw something mostly from imagination feels pretty awful and I can't stick with it enough even though I know I probably should to actually apply myself. I don't really feel like I am doing things right but I am trying to keep at it every day.

>>69720
>Not to sound rude.
You don't, anon. Don't worry.

>I'm just going to endure it and hope things get better.
That's alright, just don't close yourself completely from the option to get help, if it's between that and suicide or something, treatment is still better, also as long as you don't tell people about the appointments and medication you should be fine, unless your medical professionals leak something and then you could win some good money on a lawsuit.

>Agreed, also unrelated question but why do you draw? What are your motivations anon?
I'm not sure, it's just something I'm fond of, that I enjoyed as a kid, especially because people told me I was good at it, and overall I enjoy artwork and being able to make whatever comes to my head, turning an idea into actual art, is satisfying.

>Yeah, same happens to me, posting on imageboards is the only cope i have left lol, unfortunately most of the art boards/threads are quite dead.
I think /ic/ on 4chan is pretty active.

>>69724
Pretty good.
Kind of remind's me of Sigurd Hosenfeld's early work.

>>69724
>I know both of these are atrocious, but I feel somewhat proud of them.
Relatable feeling lol, they ain't atrocious though, they do need some more polishing.
The first one looks rough due to the chicken scratching (short and repetitive lines), while the second pic anatomy feels a bit off, although the shading (especially in the hair) is quite good.
Some recomendations that might be useful:
→Try to practice individual parts (hands, torso, legs) and then combine them.
→Use a "stickman" as the starting structure from which build the body.
→Make the pupils a bit larger and pointing towards a side to avoid that "starting into the void" type stare.
→Change your posture and perspective to notice flaws or mistakes from another angles.
>I've mostly been just copying references mindlessly for a while and got burnt on it
Yeah, trying to same thing over and over is a mistake. I had done it myself before and it feels like insanity. Now I draw with a more "mixed" approach. By using books, dreams, references, random ideas and concepts, etc.. It's easier to draw and harder to get burnout.
>I don't really feel like I am doing things right but I am trying to keep at it every day.
We all feel like frauds sometimes, dont feel bad for it, Its a normal feeling to have, the lack of guidance can sometimes feel suffocating. But is that same feeling that allows creative freedom. So shake that feeling and keep creating anon!
>>69725
>don't close yourself completely from the option to get help
Thanks for the advice, I always thought that isolating myself was the easier and less painful option to take, but after years of solitude I have noticed that nothing has truly changed, So I reached the conclussion that in order to change the world, I need to work on myself first. Therefore, I am trying to leave the past behind and I start to talk more to people, Recently I joined a social program to help other people. So I might not be as active anymore. Also kinda unrelated but this video made me think a lot today about my inner ideas. Specially after minute 10:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXD0SPhncBs
>turning an idea into actual art, is satisfying.
I agree, it feels good to let trapped ideas finally be free after all these years.
>I think /ic/ on 4chan is pretty active.
Its been a while since I have enter that site, and I dont think I will go back. Sadly 4chan isn't what it used to be. Although I post (sometimes lol) on other imageboards like 8chan and Anthro .foo

>>69727
Also here's an awful drawing I did today lel.

I made this today since I have been watching Mitsudomoe. Not a feat by any means but I wanted to draw something cute to try to relax since all I have been doing is grinding studies and trying to figure things out. Part of me feels like I might be too retarded to grasp things like how shapes are supposed to move in a 3D space.

>>69726
Thank you.
>>69727
Thank you, I took your advice to heart with some of my other stuff and tried to figure out how to deconstruct pieces from artists I like. I am still struggling a lot and almost gave up today while following some course I felt like I was ramming my head against the wall with.

It's easier to draw nature and landscapes than I though, often just using a nice brush and doing simple strokes on a canvas can create the effect of something complex, I have Bob Ross to thank for this realization, it's not that difficult and I'm having fun.

Hello everyone. I stopped drawing three years ago, but I want to start again..

>>69730
>Not a feat by any means but I wanted to draw something cute
It is a valid feat though, I notice improvement, the earthy color palette feels warm and cute. And the shoulders and torso have a better anatomy, although the eyes might be too big for the head, Its still an overall improvement though. So keep going anon!
>I might be too retarded to grasp things like how shapes are supposed to move in a 3D space.
Same lol, I heard that "construction" (drawing tons of cubes and spheres from different angles) improves that aspect, but i haven't tested that yet, so idk if it works.
>I took your advice to heart
I glad that my silly words and tips inspired someone out there lol, Also speaking of tips, have you tried using multiple layers? cause I noticed some blank spaces in the hair, it's a minor mistake but using masks and layers could solve that problem.
>I am still struggling a lot and almost gave up today
Yeah, that struggle is real and its very annoying, The same happened to me, At first I felt overwhelmed and thought that drawing was way too complicated for me, but then I started to "let loose" and stopped being so worried about everything, Now drawing has become a very liberating and fulfilling hobby. So I recommend you to let the pencil run wild and the ink flow freely!
>>69738
>It's easier to draw nature and landscapes than I though,
Really? I've tried and I suck at it, I need more practice structures, do you have any tips or resources that might be useful? Thanks in advance.
>>69740
> I stopped drawing three years ago, but I want to start again..
3 years really? Those look really great anon. If I were to stop drawing, even for a few days my abilities would immediately implode lol.

>>69741
Also, I just did this drawing today. Inspired by a weird dream I had of a giraffe using jeans kek.

>>69741
>do you have any tips or resources that might be useful?
I try to focus as little as possible on details, and just leave that to the brush, so focus on finding the brush and/or stroke that gives you the look you want, don't do things too manually.

I want to start getting into anime drawing as a complete beginner and I really do mean no experience what so ever.
I have seen this video (it was posted here or in another thread) and really liked it because its not like the usual slop online. If wizards know any good beginner tutorials or resources please share, I'm too lazy to dig through the landfill that is modern youtube.

>>69751
Honestly it doesn't really matter where you start. Before you can get into an anime style you need fundamentals which anyone can teach you. Perspective, color, line art, anatomy, getting rid of symbol drawing, etc is so dime a dozen you can really just start anywhere. I'd say not symbol drawing is the most important. By the time you're solid on that, developing a cartoony artstyle isn't very difficult.

https://discover.hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn
This is /ic/'s guide. You're not gonna like it, but their book recommendations are the best you can get.
>but muh loomis draws ugly cartoons
Yeah, he does. And so will you.

>>69754
>Before you can get into an anime style you need fundamentals
That's not true in the slightest. I probably have thousands of anime succubus pics on my computer that show no commitment to any of these "fundamentals". You're parroting bullshit.

>>69755
Really now? Why don't you show me and I'll tell you where the fundamentals are.

I got into drawing at least 5 days hehe
I was never able to draw well but now I want try. This drawning is a copy, i used an image as reference

>>69757
It's good for someone starting out so recently. Keep going!

>>69754
>>69755
Wiz who posted the question, Im a bit confused, I guess trying to learn some fundamentals and also very basic anime sketching wouldnt be a bad start?

>>69760
Fundamentals are important but don't go retarded. Anatomy for example will always be relevant but if your goal is anime style art, then you don't need to go as far as pic related. All you need is basic knowledge in order to abstract it down to a more cartoony style. Of course the necessary knowledge will depend on how true to life you want your characters to look but you will figure this out. Also visible in the bottom middle of the image is construction which is an important aspect of drawing, though at some point you will need it less.
Pretty much the best start for me was Loomis' fun with a pencil. It's free to read here:
https://archive.org/details/andrew-loomis-fun-with-a-pencil/mode/2up
Teaches construction and form. Will massively help out in understanding how to approach constructing a character. Don't be discouraged by the relatively unappealling 1960's cartoons he draws- you're not supposed to be copying his artstyle.


>very basic anime sketching
Yes. It doesn't even need to be very basic. Don't preemptively limit yourself. You can spend as much time as you want on it. It's supposed to be fun. Just make sure to learn or you're going to be polishing turds for the rest of your life which isn't fun. You're always going to feel like your drawings are "off" in some way without really knowing why. I said you need to have fundamentals before you start but that's hyperbolic. Of course you can draw what you like right away.

>>69758
most talented in the thread imo

How many hours do you typically draw in a day, wizards? Do you draw every day?

>>69751
>I want to start getting into anime drawing
What type of anime style are you trying to learn anon? I remember a while ago that the 90's artstyle was becoming popular again, I haven't watched anime in a while, so idk what styles are popular now.
>>69754
>Perspective, color, line art, anatomy, getting rid of symbol drawing, etc
>By the time you're solid on that, developing a cartoony artstyle isn't very difficult.
Kek, learning all of that would take years, and it would be totally unnecessary (to start drawing anime). Although I agree that fundamentals (specially in the long run) are very important. But it's better for beginners to first familiarize themselves with the materials, to draw from references and to experiment with different methods and techniques.
>>69758
Good try anon, although I think that the anime eyes should be a little bit closer to the middle of the face. Either way, Keep grinding and good luck in your art journey!
>>69763
>How many hours do you typically draw in a day, wizards?
Around 30mins. I want to draw more but I've been quite busy recently.
>Do you draw every day?
I haven't draw in like three days lol, My skills probably imploded by now.

>>69764
Also here's the last thing I drew some days ago. This stupid hatching took ~5 hours.

>>69755
You're not even talking from experience, just from something you think is true. Can't even give the other guy advice either, very helpful.
>I want to learn X
>you learn X by practicing X
>no that's not true because I say so
I struggle to understand what motivated you to post this.

>>69764
>learning all of that would take years
It really wouldn't. The average art course in uni would have you know the basics of all of that in like the first semester. Also you may be under the misaprehension that you're not drawing while practicing all of that. This isn't a zero sum game where you can only either study art academically before you can draw what you like. You draw what you like while learning. Either way, it took you 5 hours to scribble a doodle. I don't think your perspective on how long things do or should take is relevant.

>>69761
Yeah anime style would be my goal, Ill try to make it fun and not just a grind because the last few days I have been just practicing and not really drawing.
>>69764
Im not that wiz, I want to learn a early-mid 2000s style, I havent watched modern anime in a long time and I dislike the hyper-moe corporate styles a lot, its soulless.
Ill try to draw a head and then post it if its not too embarrassing.

>>69773
Don't be embarassed, nobody can truly know how to give you advice unless we know what you're capable of right now and what your exact goals are.

>early-mid 2000s style
That's actually pretty cool. I'm assuming you're going for something like Kanon or Rozen Maiden since that was the most notable artstyle at the time.

>>69772
>art course in uni
Studying art in an university just to draw anime sound like an waste of time and money imo.
>you may be under the misaprehension that you're not drawing while practicing all of that
I'm not, I do think that practicing fundamentals is essential to create a strong foundation, but fixating is also problem, I've seen countless cases of people greeting stuck on construction for years without making any significant progress.
>it took you 5 hours to scribble a doodle. I don't think your perspective on how long things do or should take is relevant.
Drawing slowly doesn't invalidate my opinions lol, Do you have any actual criticism or are you gonna continue being a crab?

Also I noticed a mistake in my previous message. >>69764 .The text:
>Good try anon, although I think that the anime eyes should be a little bit closer to the middle of the face. Either way, Keep grinding and good luck in your art journey!
was meant for this anon >>69757 kek.

>>69776
>Studying art in an university just to draw anime sound like an waste of time and money imo.
Which is why I didn't say he should. All I was pointing out that it doesn't take that long to get the basics of various fundamental skills.
> I've seen countless cases of people greeting stuck on construction for years
Yes this is true.
>Do you have any actual criticism
Nop

>>69774
I was aiming at a a Rozen Maiden like style yeah, Ill post my next drawing then!

>>69754
>This is /ic/'s guide
they have many guides
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/view
https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>>69746
>>69773
>>69782
The merit and quality of those guides and resources sometimes comes under fire. Loomis fun with the pencil like >>69751 mention apparently leads to stagnation, Drawabox waste your time by turning a 2 month course to a 2 year course.
The list goes on. Don't get too hung up on trying to find the perfect guide, rather just find what seems good and stick with it. People will always argue why other's study plan is shit, while how their own is the best.
They might bring up good points but it's not worth spending weeks looking for the ultimate best guide. Maybe spend a few hours browsing the guides and pick one that you think suits you the best.
For anime, learning observational drawing, basic construction and perspective would be a good place to start.

>>68877
I'm happy to say that for the 1st time in many years… I've been drawing consistently! I wish I could draw every day, but work drains most of my energy. On the weekends though? I'm drawing way more than I've done these past few years, I got my hobby back. I'm glad I bought a cheap tablet and a stylus, the convenience makes it easier for a tired depressed me.

I do miss the feel and sound of the paper being "scratched" though, but a matte screen protector helps with that.

>>69794
>I'm happy to say that for the 1st time in many years… I've been drawing consistently!


YAAAAAAAY!!!