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 No.68877[View All]

All you need to begin drawing is a pencil and some paper

Feel free to post any drawings of yours in this thread. Illustration, doodle, traditional, digital - anything goes. Discussion on skillbuilding techniques and fair critique of other wizards' work is welcome.

Videos:

Tyler Edlin - https://www.youtube.com/user/TylerE2284
Proko - https://www.youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Sinix - https://www.youtube.com/user/sinixdesign
Scott Robertson - https://www.youtube.com/user/scottrobertsondesign
Matt Kohr (CtrlPaint) - https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library
Aaron Blaise - https://www.youtube.com/user/AaronBlaiseArt
Vilpu (Anatomy) - https://mega.nz/folder/9Pw1lYaS#Me7LSwlSg59lNGmkj9tt4w/folder/lPoXEYxS

Poses/Gestures
QuickPoses -https://www.quickposes.com/en
PoseSpace -https://www.posespace.com/posetool/default.aspx
https://x6ud.github.io/#/ Animal Head Reference Finder
https://anatomy360.info/anatomy-scan-reference-dump/

Books (navigable folders):
https://www.mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8
https://www.mediafire.com/file/1hta2i7eqqj31ea/art_and_fear.pdf/file
https://mega.nz/folder/yxtCBLYZ#FbtGBQQunWVCrjMMIzJSyw
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 No.70461

>>70458
also how hard is too draw without the wrist?

 No.70462

>>70460
Clip Studio Paint

 No.70463

>>70458
The tip about drawing with your whole arm really helped me a lot
Like I always wonder how people drew perfect circles but I couldn't then I finally realize the problem it was that simple….I always drew with wrists not with my whole arms!

But seriously thank you man!

I started to draw because of a incident where someone drew some fucked up stuff of fictional character I really love and care about and I want to sleep knowing I can draw and do better than that piece of shit and thanks to you! I got closer to my goal of making something amazing and I will make this year at all cost!

 No.70467

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>>68877
I want to draw Roman Von Unger Sternberg. But i dont know nothing about to draw ¿Suggestions?

 No.70475

>>70471
>I want to draw
Then draw.
>¿Suggestions?
Draw.

 No.70476

>>70475
Yeah, but where to begin?

 No.70477

>>70476
With a pencil and paper. Did you flunk kindergarten?

 No.70479

>>70476
Just start sketching from real life, with whatever you've got. You can learn a lot just from looking at objects in reality and moving them around, seeing them from different angles and how light hits the object. Once you get comfortable with drawing simple objects you can move on to trying to copy artists that you like or photos you find interesting like the one you posted. Move onto finding books/guides on specific areas you want to focus on, there are plenty of resources out there.

 No.70480

>>70479
>You can learn a lot just from looking at objects in reality and moving them around, seeing them from different angles and how light hits the object.
This is true for any art forms. In order to draw or sculpt or carve things that look real, you must first know what those things look like. Having a grasp of how things work and their presence in the world is the backbone of representing those things. Don't fret over trying to learn how a pencil works because you already know. You put it to the paper and where the tip touches turns dark. If you combine that with what you know about what something looks like, you can draw that thing. Once you establish the principle figure and have trained yourself to draw from memory and imagination, you can move on to "advanced pencil touching paper to make the paper dark" techniques to represent how light interacts with the object you're drawing.

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Finally learned to draw with my whole arm instead of just my wrist!

Lines look noticeably better but I still have problem with holding the pencil too way too hard and leaving
smudges and visible erased lines

 No.70483

>>70482
kawaii

 No.70484

>>70482
Is it your waifu? You are doing her a great service by drawing that stuff! Keep up the good work!

 No.70485

>>70482
>>70483
>>70484
That's Lukyon, isn't it? Why does everyone like Lukyon?

 No.70488

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I'm working on a Sonic piece now and it's been fun. It's crazy how I almost quit this hobby at one point, getting this tablet and stylus was one of the best decisions I could've made, it made drawing convenient again, which for someone as lazy as I can be is essential for me to actually get out of my way to draw. I love the way this piece is looking so far, and it's been fun!

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>>70488
It's done!

 No.70492

>>70490
very cool

 No.70493

>>70492
Thank you, anon!

 No.70501

>>70485
Are you from Tohno?

 No.70515

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I like drawing bug succubi even though I am complete shit at it.

 No.70516

>>70515
>bug succubi
Not my thing but as someone who draws my waifus just for myself I admire your efforts. Try to pick references and combine them and you will build get better for sure.

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>>70482
I like your style. can you draw the succubus in pic related but give her a cross on her tunic like the male version of her, please?

 No.70521

>>70518
That's some oldschool e-begging

 No.70522

>>70521
Where's oekakiwiz when you need him?!

 No.70524

>>70522
can you show me one of his okeaki please?

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 No.70526

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just checking out oekaki

 No.70527

>>70525
thanks 😅

 No.70534

Is fun with pencil good for a beginner?

 No.70535

>>70534
You're not going to get better at drawing by reading books. Just grab a pencil and have fun.

 No.70536

>>70535
you aren't gonna get better if you just randomly doodle either. some people need more direction than "just draw".

 No.70537

>>70536
>you aren't gonna get better if you just randomly doodle either.
Yes you will. You can get even better by not having those doodles be random. By imaging a drawing you'd like to see and then just having at it, comparing what you've drawn to how it holds up to what you envisioned, and then working out what you need to change in order for it to look more so like what you had imagined… That is the best way to become a better artist.
>some people need more direction than "just draw".
If a man already in to his adult years hasn't yet developed a desire to create a specific type of artwork so much so that he picks up the $0.31 worth of stationary on his desk and just begins doodling, then he's not cut out to create art. To be someone who creates requires being of a creative personality and belonging to a culture. This creativity must feed that culture and vice-versa.

Imagine a young man in his teens who really likes middle school anime succubi. He likes them, and so he likes to view art of them all day. He associates with the subculture renowned for idoling these 2D and he appreciates the feelings, opinions, and companionship of other men belonging to this subculture. The value he places on his fellows' approval and feelings gives him a desire to contribute to the pool of things he and his fellows enjoy: middle school anime succubi pics. He has an idea of the kind of art he'd like to see of them. He understands what they look like. He knows the standards of quality for 2D art and he's developed his owns particular taste over the years. He has:

- Himself to please with art he enjoys
- The motivation to please others he considers to be the same as him
- An established sense for what makes a good drawing
- A clear goal to shoot for
- And as a bonus, his subculture provides him with positive and constructive feedback

So he has the culture, the motivation, and the goal. As for the resources? $0.31 worth of paper and pencils. He combines what he's learned from appreciating this art and combines it with how he knows that a pencil makes lines on a paper, and he just starts trying to create middle school anime succubi art. Is it crap at first? Of course. Does he know what non-crap 2d succubi art looks like? Yeah. He has a lot of fun doing it all, but not without the odd frustration or loss of mitivation. He draws more but tries to do things a bit differently and now his art more closely resembles what he envisioned to be a good drawing. He shares his art with his fellows and they show appreciation and offer their own ideas for what our hero can try differently to make it closer to the 2D art they all so revere. This continues as a loop and eventually the art is good and our hero has done his part to further his subcultures existence. He dies a happy virgin surrounded by drawings of his waifu. He has over 200 (two hundred) followers on DeviantArt.

Now imagine a young man who is bored. He has no hobby and he is looking to kill time. He may even be chronically apathetic and consider himself to be depressed based on someone online telling him that he is. He doesn't belong to a subculture and so he has no history of staring attentively at any particular types of art. He hasn't developed a sense of what makes a good art piece look good in his eyes. He has no history of art, no subculture to contribute to, no goal to shoot for, and no positive feedback to receive from people who he identifies with. For him to pick up drawing will not materialize in to anything. To ask "is this book good to learn drawing from" exposes someone as one of these types of guys. It is easier for him to begin drawing that it is for him to type that question and post it, yet he's so on the fence about drawing even being worth learning that he'd rather ask questions then try for himself. The only fun he can have with a pencil is shoving it up his urethra because even if he starts to draw, what does he gain? What does he even draw? Does he draw what the book tells him to draw and then he imagines an XP counter going up above his head? What about when he's completed all the challenges in the book, or even when he's mastered the art form on a technical level? What then will he draw? Nothing, if he's not a creative person who invents his own way to appeal to a culture which he belongs.

>>70534
Don't ask. just draw. Show one of your drawings. Is it crap? Who cares? What kind of art do you want to draw and why would you consider that book to be the first step towards making that art? Will you die a happy virgin or will you merely die?

 No.70538

>>70537
>He has over 200 (two hundred) followers on DeviantArt.
Devart is trash. Unless it's fetish porn or ai coom coomtent you will be lucky to have 50 followers. Also degenerates begging for requests for their degenerate fantasies all the time. That place is such a dump

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>>70537
What a massive amount bollocks. You are either a crab or coping why your art is still bad after years, because studying a book is too much.
>If a man already in to his adult years hasn't yet developed a desire to create a specific type of artwork so much so that he picks up the $0.31 worth of stationary on his desk and just begins doodling, then he's not cut out to create art
"it's too late cliche", David Finch started as an adult and look where he is now. People with this mindset must be mentally ill, "he didn't start in his teen, so it's over", so what's better then, keep doing jack shit with your life?
>and then working out what you need to change in order for it to look more so like what you had imagined
You will save a massive amount of time by learning the fundies from books/courses. Instead of spending years figuring it out by yourself or asking around.
>To ask "is this book good to learn drawing from" exposes someone as one of these types of guys. It is easier for him to begin drawing that it is for him to type that question and post it, yet he's so on the fence about drawing even being worth learning that he'd rather ask questions then try for himself.
Go ahead you will most likely end up like chris-chan, someone who have been drawing for years but still suck at it. Anyone who have bothered to self-learn something have at one point come across unhelpful learning resources whenever it being STEM-related or art. "is this book good" question is asked for whenever it be worth sinking time into, sure you could just try it out.
Then you find out it was crap and have lost time you never get back. Studying a tried and proven book/course would had been better.

No idea why so many people in the art community, straight up believes in pseudoscience, had teachers who thinks drawing from references will harm your development of your own style. Drawing from references is how you build up your visual library, so when you draw from imagination it actually looks like the real thing.

>>70534
A good book, but there's better alternatives in the modern day. The fundamentals haven't change, but would you rather read text from 1940s or modern age? I would recommend The Art and Science of Drawing by brent eviston, it's teaches construction just like loomis' fun with a pencil.

No i'm not some nodraw who shill for books and courses I never learned from myself.

 No.70547

>>70537
I suppose you have some point here. I often treat drawing as a simple grind and want to get done quickly and do something else for the rest else for the rest of the day, which is a problem because it makes it feel like a boring job rather than a hobby.

I want to improve but also have fun i am not sure how do both for me

>>70546
thanks for the book recommendation pal

both of you have points in a way

 No.70548

>>70547
>I want to improve but also have fun i am not sure how do both for me
Forget about grinding bones, limbs, muscles, etc like a sovlless chink who can just do mindless grind 18 hours a day for years. That is not for people like us.
Instead focus on what you want to draw. I love drawing fictional succubi and my waifu in particular. I watch through some anatomy course just to get what I should pay attention to while dealing with references. After that I just draw hot succubi from vidya and the like. I've gotten better throughout the years this way.

 No.70549

>>70546
The content of your post matches the fact that you felt the need to make a copy of a photo instead of creating something of your own. Why pass on the chance to make something new?

 No.70550

>>70549
Copying something is a perfect way to learn. Learning and creating are two different things. Working with one reference teaches how to work with multiple references needed for a properly created art.

 No.70551

>>70550
>a properly created art.
lmao

 No.70552

>>70551
>lmao
Show your stuff and prove me wrong.

 No.70553

>>70547
>I want to improve but also have fun i am not sure how do both for me
You can learn a lot by just copying(observational drawing) art, panels or frames from your favorite media. The reason people endure a period of grinding some fundies, is because they tend to elevate your skills faster.
Please have some delayed gratification, it's a trait not found in turbo impulsive nigger. Have a goal to hit, like wanting your art to look similar to artist x, there is no need for more grind once you achieve that.
>>70548
>grinding fundies is le bad
>then admits how an anatomy course instantly improved his art
Most artists who learn the academic way don't spend their entire day grinding. It's usually 1-2 hour or even as little as 30 minutes. The 18 hour grind is just for people who want to have a slim chance of getting hired by some big name studio.
>>70549
Making something new? Oh another lust provoking image of some new popular character? Wow how innovative, never been done before! Bet most of your work is so derivatives of something existing, then you act like you're the next Stan Lee or Akira Toriyama.
Most comic artists aren't that creative either. The creator of invincible, copied saiyans and called them viltrumites. Then say they are his original creation. Claims he never read DBZ, but no one buys it.
If you feel like drawing a cat then just draw a cat. You don't need more reason than that.

 No.70554

>>70553
>>grinding fundies is le bad
There is a difference between grinding a sheet of 200 limbs and watching through a course just to get an understanding what you are looking at while drawing what you like.
>Most artists who learn the academic way don't spend their entire day grinding
Yes they do. Boxes and shit, hundreds of them. They practice perspective and shading this way. Later - stillife. And only then people.

 No.70555

>>70554
>grinding a sheet of 200 limbs and watching through a course to understand
How else are you going to learn to draw hands? You do know that practicing what you learned also count as grinding?
>Boxes and shit, hundreds of them
Not everyone fell for the drawabox meme. The Art and Science of Drawing book took me less than a month to finish, that was me studying it casually like 1-2 hours a day, I even skip it a few times.

 No.70556

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>>70552
You got me. This is my best work ever. I'm not artistic and I don't actually draw. This cat and witch took my forever to draw, but I had fun drawing it and I drew it because I like witch hat loli and I know my close cultural group likes witch hat loli. That makes it infinitely worthwhile to me and those who I believe deserve to have things which are worthwhile to them. But damn, I didn't draw from a reference or study kid anatomy 8 years of my life so it wasn't "drawn properly" and won't appeal to the masses. If only I had bought legendary cartoonist Goldberghstein's "fundamentals of building Bugs Bunny out of spheres and boxes" book I might actually have made something good. If only instead of creating something from my own uninformed, uneducated imagination I chose to convert an existing drawing or photo in to a crappy pencil sketch. It would be impersonal and worthless to me as someone who gets gratification from creating but at least it wouldn't be crap in the eyes of normalfags and people who only value art for its technical skill. May as well just kill myself and take a preschool with me.

>>70553
Comic books are really gay and Stan Lee is a pretty bad artist all things considered. If you're going to make a strawman, make it out of straw that's not rotten.

 No.70557

>>70556
This is rich coming from someone who said.
>Why pass on the chance to make something new?
Then he draws a witch zapping a cat. Wonder where he got this idea from? Whenever Salem got punished in Sabrina the Teenage Witch? SO NEW AND ORIGINAL!
>I don't actually draw
>me as someone who gets gratification from creating
These statements don't match up. If you liked creating so much, you would be drawing often. Not necessary every day. but frequent. You like the idea of creating, not the process. You just seem to be seething in the rest of your post about how technical skills are for normies and how wizards value imagination more.
Apparently your love for witch hat lolis, isn't strong enough to put effort in improving your technical skills to make your art better. No it won't take you 8 years of spending half of your day grinding references, buying books or learning resources is optional thanks to the internet.
>Stan Lee is a pretty bad artist all things considered
Good that you know about his past actions of taking credit for other artists work. Odd that you didn't give any heat to Akira Toriyama. You do know that he reuses the same plot ideas in dbz over and over again right?
>New villains threatens earth/universe and almost wipe the Z-fighters out
>Someone in the group gain super ultra saiyan power or use some ultra powerful technique and defeats them
>use the dragon balls to revive the dead.
Do you think mangakas are any better than comic artists? If you read Devilman, you will see how much Chainsaw man and Berserk have stolen from it. Peak creativity. You demand innovation from random hobbyists but don't hold big name artists to the same standards?

Something tells me you don't really care about making something new.

 No.70558

>>70557
>Then he draws a witch zapping a cat. Wonder where he got this idea from? Whenever Salem got punished in Sabrina the Teenage Witch? SO NEW AND ORIGINAL!
Oh you're ESL, that's why you're confused about the meaning of the word "creating". If you read any of the discussion and actually work to understand the words being used, you'd hopefully come to realize that this whole argument is about drawing from the imagination and developing skills through hands-on trial and error as opposed to academically studying "how to" books that trick guys with the potential to put their mental visualizations to paper in to redundantly building up drawings with geometric shapes and concerning themselves with photo realistic pencil shading even if they just want to draw anime succubi. It has nothing to do with inventing novel concepts the likes of which have never been seen. Now you're saying that with any two things remotely thematically similar, the latter one is ultimately derivative of the former. A common cope of someone without an imagination.
>Good that you know about his past actions of taking credit for other artists work
I don't know anything about that. Whether his works are plagiarized or entirely made up by him doesn't change the fact that everything he's credited as drawing and writing is liquid dog shit that could only ever appeal to toddlers. You bringing him up lets me remind you that in spite of his - and other "old school" American comic book artist - art being horrendous, the main voices of the comics industry are the primary promoters of these "draw by numbers" and "Learn to draw the fundamentals and only the fundamentals" books. To recomend these books and those like them is to encourage people to start drawing from a mental angle that evidently leads to producing bad art the likes of which is found in comic books.
>Odd that you didn't give any heat to Akira Toriyama.
Because I didn't readily know who that is. Not kvetching about every subject of your post doesn't mean I endorse what I hadn't bothered to quote.
>You do know that he reuses the same plot ideas in dbz over and over again right?
Are we talking about writing now? I don't care if he sticks to a formula in his writing. What I care about is that when he draws his characters, he doesn't open a pose book or load a 3D model and trace it, or waste time building characters with spheres and blocks before giving them human characteristics. I care that he doesn't try to guide people in to these archaic and left-brained methods of creating character illustrations which don't cultivate the parts of the mind responsible for rotating an apple. If you were my roommate I'd put all the utilities in your name then move out.

This whole argument must be baffling to someone who doesn't draw and may be passing by on the index page, but I'd like to ask anyone of any hobby: Do you consider books about your hobby to be the ultimate voice on how to approach that hobby by virtue of them being publish books alone? Even if the books are written by someone *bad* at that hobby? Would you say that someone shouldn't start the hobby until they read and complete that book, even if they already have the essential tools to begin within reach? And if most people *good* at the hobby never even heard of that book? That's what some of these replies are trying to insinuate through their broken English.

 No.70560

>>70558
Now you are just making things up.
>academically studying "how to" books that trick guys with the potential
We have all been to deviantart and seen how things pan out for people who buys into the "drawing from the imagination and developing skills through hands-on trial and error". The saying "drawing from reference is cheating" is a straight up lie, parroted by malicious people who wish to sabotage others and people who takes everything their favorite artist say as gospel.
These academic methods are there to help you accelerate your skills.
>To recomend these books and those like them is to encourage people to start drawing from a mental angle that evidently leads to producing bad art the likes of which is found in comic books
Seething aside, you just think there is something unique about drawing from imagination without any knowledge of the fundamentals. Most people don't end up being good at their craft from that.
>cultivate the parts of the mind responsible for rotating an apple
Your 2d cardboard witch clearly shows how good your mind is at rotating an apple. This is the end result of all those years of drawing solely from imagination?
>Do you consider books about your hobby to be the ultimate voice on how to approach that hobby by virtue of them being publish books alone?
Most people don't treat these books as gospels. The books are not there to force you to use their methods. They teach you methods that can help you to accomplish your goals. If all you want to do is to doodle, then it doesn't matter.
But if you want your art to look like X anime/cartoon. Well time to learn observation, construction and perspective. The animators of these shows had to learn it, so why do you think you're so special that you can recreate the art of these shows without it? I don't get why you think showing someone the ropes is a disservice. There are plenty of people who are just talented and can create amazing art without setting their foot in an art academy or reading any books. Too bad you're most likely not one of them. Norman Rockwell wasn't talented either, he built up his skills by studying at art academy.

Forsaking tried and proven methods doesn't sound like something a wizard would do. This not a normie thing, if it works, it works.

 No.70561

>>70560
>We have all been to deviantart and seen how things pan out for people who buys into the "drawing from the imagination and developing skills through hands-on trial and error"
Yeah, we see them having fun and laughing with their fellow artists for years in spite of their skills. This argument is moot though because the reality is that most of DeviantArt's contributors are drawing with the help of books and references.
>The saying "drawing from reference is cheating" is a straight up lie
It's not drawing period. I didn't read any of your post beyond that. The witch (drawing) is a better contribution to the drawing thread than the cat (conversion of medium)

 No.70562

>>70561
So much seething and coping, also lying. Remember folks, the guy who takes hours to make a doodle witch, is they one telling you to not learn the fundamentals. Because he is a crab who wants your skill to remain on his level.
>I didn't read any of your post beyond that.
lies, how do i know?
>The witch (drawing) is a better contribution to the drawing thread than the cat (conversion of medium)
you got triggered by this line, didn't you?
>Your 2d cardboard witch clearly shows how good your mind is at rotating an apple.

 No.70586

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Here's some stuff I drew recently. I am taking a break today though because I managed to hurt my wrist drawing on a small tablet in bed for too long, and I made myself paranoid about developing some sort of injury. I realize it probably isn't productive at my level to be painting/coloring yet but it's too fun. There is something really appealing to me about the color palette of deep sea fish/siphonophores so I wanted to paint some of those. Also I was looking at some Jap Zbrush artists and was so entranced with how their models looked I copied them.


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