/hob/ - Hobbies

>>70537
I suppose you have some point here. I often treat drawing as a simple grind and want to get done quickly and do something else for the rest else for the rest of the day, which is a problem because it makes it feel like a boring job rather than a hobby.

I want to improve but also have fun i am not sure how do both for me

>>70546
thanks for the book recommendation pal

both of you have points in a way

>>70547
>I want to improve but also have fun i am not sure how do both for me
Forget about grinding bones, limbs, muscles, etc like a sovlless chink who can just do mindless grind 18 hours a day for years. That is not for people like us.
Instead focus on what you want to draw. I love drawing fictional succubi and my waifu in particular. I watch through some anatomy course just to get what I should pay attention to while dealing with references. After that I just draw hot succubi from vidya and the like. I've gotten better throughout the years this way.

>>70546
The content of your post matches the fact that you felt the need to make a copy of a photo instead of creating something of your own. Why pass on the chance to make something new?

>>70549
Copying something is a perfect way to learn. Learning and creating are two different things. Working with one reference teaches how to work with multiple references needed for a properly created art.

>>70550
>a properly created art.
lmao

>>70551
>lmao
Show your stuff and prove me wrong.

>>70547
>I want to improve but also have fun i am not sure how do both for me
You can learn a lot by just copying(observational drawing) art, panels or frames from your favorite media. The reason people endure a period of grinding some fundies, is because they tend to elevate your skills faster.
Please have some delayed gratification, it's a trait not found in turbo impulsive nigger. Have a goal to hit, like wanting your art to look similar to artist x, there is no need for more grind once you achieve that.
>>70548
>grinding fundies is le bad
>then admits how an anatomy course instantly improved his art
Most artists who learn the academic way don't spend their entire day grinding. It's usually 1-2 hour or even as little as 30 minutes. The 18 hour grind is just for people who want to have a slim chance of getting hired by some big name studio.
>>70549
Making something new? Oh another lust provoking image of some new popular character? Wow how innovative, never been done before! Bet most of your work is so derivatives of something existing, then you act like you're the next Stan Lee or Akira Toriyama.
Most comic artists aren't that creative either. The creator of invincible, copied saiyans and called them viltrumites. Then say they are his original creation. Claims he never read DBZ, but no one buys it.
If you feel like drawing a cat then just draw a cat. You don't need more reason than that.

>>70553
>>grinding fundies is le bad
There is a difference between grinding a sheet of 200 limbs and watching through a course just to get an understanding what you are looking at while drawing what you like.
>Most artists who learn the academic way don't spend their entire day grinding
Yes they do. Boxes and shit, hundreds of them. They practice perspective and shading this way. Later - stillife. And only then people.

>>70554
>grinding a sheet of 200 limbs and watching through a course to understand
How else are you going to learn to draw hands? You do know that practicing what you learned also count as grinding?
>Boxes and shit, hundreds of them
Not everyone fell for the drawabox meme. The Art and Science of Drawing book took me less than a month to finish, that was me studying it casually like 1-2 hours a day, I even skip it a few times.

>>70552
You got me. This is my best work ever. I'm not artistic and I don't actually draw. This cat and witch took my forever to draw, but I had fun drawing it and I drew it because I like witch hat loli and I know my close cultural group likes witch hat loli. That makes it infinitely worthwhile to me and those who I believe deserve to have things which are worthwhile to them. But damn, I didn't draw from a reference or study kid anatomy 8 years of my life so it wasn't "drawn properly" and won't appeal to the masses. If only I had bought legendary cartoonist Goldberghstein's "fundamentals of building Bugs Bunny out of spheres and boxes" book I might actually have made something good. If only instead of creating something from my own uninformed, uneducated imagination I chose to convert an existing drawing or photo in to a crappy pencil sketch. It would be impersonal and worthless to me as someone who gets gratification from creating but at least it wouldn't be crap in the eyes of normalfags and people who only value art for its technical skill. May as well just kill myself and take a preschool with me.

>>70553
Comic books are really gay and Stan Lee is a pretty bad artist all things considered. If you're going to make a strawman, make it out of straw that's not rotten.

>>70556
This is rich coming from someone who said.
>Why pass on the chance to make something new?
Then he draws a witch zapping a cat. Wonder where he got this idea from? Whenever Salem got punished in Sabrina the Teenage Witch? SO NEW AND ORIGINAL!
>I don't actually draw
>me as someone who gets gratification from creating
These statements don't match up. If you liked creating so much, you would be drawing often. Not necessary every day. but frequent. You like the idea of creating, not the process. You just seem to be seething in the rest of your post about how technical skills are for normies and how wizards value imagination more.
Apparently your love for witch hat lolis, isn't strong enough to put effort in improving your technical skills to make your art better. No it won't take you 8 years of spending half of your day grinding references, buying books or learning resources is optional thanks to the internet.
>Stan Lee is a pretty bad artist all things considered
Good that you know about his past actions of taking credit for other artists work. Odd that you didn't give any heat to Akira Toriyama. You do know that he reuses the same plot ideas in dbz over and over again right?
>New villains threatens earth/universe and almost wipe the Z-fighters out
>Someone in the group gain super ultra saiyan power or use some ultra powerful technique and defeats them
>use the dragon balls to revive the dead.
Do you think mangakas are any better than comic artists? If you read Devilman, you will see how much Chainsaw man and Berserk have stolen from it. Peak creativity. You demand innovation from random hobbyists but don't hold big name artists to the same standards?

Something tells me you don't really care about making something new.

>>70557
>Then he draws a witch zapping a cat. Wonder where he got this idea from? Whenever Salem got punished in Sabrina the Teenage Witch? SO NEW AND ORIGINAL!
Oh you're ESL, that's why you're confused about the meaning of the word "creating". If you read any of the discussion and actually work to understand the words being used, you'd hopefully come to realize that this whole argument is about drawing from the imagination and developing skills through hands-on trial and error as opposed to academically studying "how to" books that trick guys with the potential to put their mental visualizations to paper in to redundantly building up drawings with geometric shapes and concerning themselves with photo realistic pencil shading even if they just want to draw anime succubi. It has nothing to do with inventing novel concepts the likes of which have never been seen. Now you're saying that with any two things remotely thematically similar, the latter one is ultimately derivative of the former. A common cope of someone without an imagination.
>Good that you know about his past actions of taking credit for other artists work
I don't know anything about that. Whether his works are plagiarized or entirely made up by him doesn't change the fact that everything he's credited as drawing and writing is liquid dog shit that could only ever appeal to toddlers. You bringing him up lets me remind you that in spite of his - and other "old school" American comic book artist - art being horrendous, the main voices of the comics industry are the primary promoters of these "draw by numbers" and "Learn to draw the fundamentals and only the fundamentals" books. To recomend these books and those like them is to encourage people to start drawing from a mental angle that evidently leads to producing bad art the likes of which is found in comic books.
>Odd that you didn't give any heat to Akira Toriyama.
Because I didn't readily know who that is. Not kvetching about every subject of your post doesn't mean I endorse what I hadn't bothered to quote.
>You do know that he reuses the same plot ideas in dbz over and over again right?
Are we talking about writing now? I don't care if he sticks to a formula in his writing. What I care about is that when he draws his characters, he doesn't open a pose book or load a 3D model and trace it, or waste time building characters with spheres and blocks before giving them human characteristics. I care that he doesn't try to guide people in to these archaic and left-brained methods of creating character illustrations which don't cultivate the parts of the mind responsible for rotating an apple. If you were my roommate I'd put all the utilities in your name then move out.

This whole argument must be baffling to someone who doesn't draw and may be passing by on the index page, but I'd like to ask anyone of any hobby: Do you consider books about your hobby to be the ultimate voice on how to approach that hobby by virtue of them being publish books alone? Even if the books are written by someone *bad* at that hobby? Would you say that someone shouldn't start the hobby until they read and complete that book, even if they already have the essential tools to begin within reach? And if most people *good* at the hobby never even heard of that book? That's what some of these replies are trying to insinuate through their broken English.

>>70558
Now you are just making things up.
>academically studying "how to" books that trick guys with the potential
We have all been to deviantart and seen how things pan out for people who buys into the "drawing from the imagination and developing skills through hands-on trial and error". The saying "drawing from reference is cheating" is a straight up lie, parroted by malicious people who wish to sabotage others and people who takes everything their favorite artist say as gospel.
These academic methods are there to help you accelerate your skills.
>To recomend these books and those like them is to encourage people to start drawing from a mental angle that evidently leads to producing bad art the likes of which is found in comic books
Seething aside, you just think there is something unique about drawing from imagination without any knowledge of the fundamentals. Most people don't end up being good at their craft from that.
>cultivate the parts of the mind responsible for rotating an apple
Your 2d cardboard witch clearly shows how good your mind is at rotating an apple. This is the end result of all those years of drawing solely from imagination?
>Do you consider books about your hobby to be the ultimate voice on how to approach that hobby by virtue of them being publish books alone?
Most people don't treat these books as gospels. The books are not there to force you to use their methods. They teach you methods that can help you to accomplish your goals. If all you want to do is to doodle, then it doesn't matter.
But if you want your art to look like X anime/cartoon. Well time to learn observation, construction and perspective. The animators of these shows had to learn it, so why do you think you're so special that you can recreate the art of these shows without it? I don't get why you think showing someone the ropes is a disservice. There are plenty of people who are just talented and can create amazing art without setting their foot in an art academy or reading any books. Too bad you're most likely not one of them. Norman Rockwell wasn't talented either, he built up his skills by studying at art academy.

Forsaking tried and proven methods doesn't sound like something a wizard would do. This not a normie thing, if it works, it works.

>>70560
>We have all been to deviantart and seen how things pan out for people who buys into the "drawing from the imagination and developing skills through hands-on trial and error"
Yeah, we see them having fun and laughing with their fellow artists for years in spite of their skills. This argument is moot though because the reality is that most of DeviantArt's contributors are drawing with the help of books and references.
>The saying "drawing from reference is cheating" is a straight up lie
It's not drawing period. I didn't read any of your post beyond that. The witch (drawing) is a better contribution to the drawing thread than the cat (conversion of medium)

>>70561
So much seething and coping, also lying. Remember folks, the guy who takes hours to make a doodle witch, is they one telling you to not learn the fundamentals. Because he is a crab who wants your skill to remain on his level.
>I didn't read any of your post beyond that.
lies, how do i know?
>The witch (drawing) is a better contribution to the drawing thread than the cat (conversion of medium)
you got triggered by this line, didn't you?
>Your 2d cardboard witch clearly shows how good your mind is at rotating an apple.

Here's some stuff I drew recently. I am taking a break today though because I managed to hurt my wrist drawing on a small tablet in bed for too long, and I made myself paranoid about developing some sort of injury. I realize it probably isn't productive at my level to be painting/coloring yet but it's too fun. There is something really appealing to me about the color palette of deep sea fish/siphonophores so I wanted to paint some of those. Also I was looking at some Jap Zbrush artists and was so entranced with how their models looked I copied them.

>>70586
My wrist still hurts and it's been a week. Fuck my life.

>>70586
>I realize it probably isn't productive at my level to be painting/coloring yet but it's too fun
Having fun is really the only point of drawing. If you're not having fun, then why bother?

>>70490
I've also made this Coraline piece I'm really proud of, based mostly on the book, which I prefer to the film.

My shitty drawing done by using MS Paint.

>>70667
cool penguin

I have an oil painting degree.
Haven't actually oil painted in a couple years due to apartment life and no studio space, so I try to mimic it with digital as best I can.

>>70899
Thats amazing. Nice colors, awesome balls.

>>70899
looks cool but not enough lolis or loli tummy or just loli in general

>>70899
beautiful colors. can you draw a wizard, please?

>>68944
Neat

>>70911
beautiful, I saved it

>>70911
disgusting degenerate art

>>70962
Agreed. Why draw something this wretched?

>>70899
creative, imaginefull, actual unique artwork. Your perspective and composition is also great - the pictures are busy but overwhelming.
Wonderfull, you geniunly made the artworld a better place with your contribution stuff

>>70899
Wow, you really hate God

>>70667
He cute

>>70962
>>70963
Believe me, I know.

>>70899
I can tell you are skilled but there is too many distracting colors and subjects for my peanut brain to process the image. Do you post your art outside wizchan? It looks like something some people would really like and pay for.

>>70911
This is cool actually. It can be a monster in a video game. Unless it's supposed to be ero-guro then I am sorry your fetish is pretty gross.

>>70667
This is crazy good, especially considering the software.

>>69464
That looks awesome! I love doing paper animations. Here is an old one I did years ago of a little Wizard making tea. Originally it was going to be longer but i got burnt out.

I feel like i can break down figures down into simple shapes with ease, but all those shapes are flat. I can draw from life and draw what I'm seeing, but i feel like it's just me breaking things into flat shapes again. I can't feel, or visualize or express things in a 3d space.

I feel like it's hindering my ability to shade properly, hindering my anatomy, and is making me completely incapable for drawing anything complex like a body in different perspectives (like top down)
Yes i do studies from life pretty often, ranging from simple shapes to human figures. I have attempted drawing each frame of an object rotating before, but it still doesn't help me visualize
Is there ANYTHING i can do to address this problem that doesn't default to "study from life" or "do still life", because rest assured i already try to do those as a part of my consistent practice. Is there anything i can do to face the problem head on, or do i continue studying and hope that one day my brain will finally start working with me?

I also problem with drawing bodies in general I can do the head decently but the rest of the body specially the arms and shoulders always look unnatural and odd to me when I draw them

I am just deeply afraid that I will never reach a level of drawing I truely desire and I everything I draw will always be mediocre and never good as some Japanese artist on Pixiv because my own brain is against me

>>71044
I remember watching Glenn Vilppu drawing and feeling like I was beginning to understand what it means to "feel" form. Watching more experienced artist draw can help you too. I recommend Vilppu and Michael Hampton.
If you watch enough people figure draw, you'll notice that some people start with gestures while others focus on contours. There isn't a definitive drawing style, but by modifying your process, at least temporary, you can gain a new perspective on drawing.
I have been copying drawings from Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing From Life. His figures make it easy to see how the forms of the body interlock into each other.
Beyond that, I think it boils down to mileage. By studying and drawing a lot, the small bits of knowledge you pick up will add up and start becoming noticeable.

I am not much of an artist. These look wonky as hell.

>>71084
these are pretty cool regardless of your technical skill level wiz, keep at it. do some studying and i am certain you will become better

>>70899
Did a cartoon for the first time in a few years.

Kinda off-topic. I made a few TADC OCs a few months ago and posted them here. Today I made a cartoon using one of those designs I made.
Turned out pretty good. He isn't a cast member in the video, just really liked his design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55jWbkmX3lc

Took a lot out of me tbh.

>>71140
You're insanely talented, subscribed

>>71140
mfw a cold Dr. Pepper

>>71032
Thanks, though I'm surprised how well this looked despite my then lack of proper knowledge (I realized the only thing I concidentially did right was "progress the action").
Your animation looks splendid, especially with the way you grabbed the horizon and turned it into a table, really creative ^^.

If you're interested like I was in going further here's animator Richard Williams' entire course (he directed stuff like The Theif and the Cobbler and all of the animation in Roger Rabbit)
https://archive.org/details/animatorssurvivalkitdvds/the+animators+survival+kit/THE+ANIMATOR%27S+SURVIVAL+KIT+logo.mp4?

Cheers.

First portrait digital drawing. Its okayish.

Are you a wizard?

>>71140
i love your videos, please dont purge your account, whatever that means

>>70962
okay mr. goebbels, we will not allow it to untergraben the völkische gemeinschaft