No.68878
>all those links to "guides" and "references"
Encouraging that "paint by numbers" garbage is a great way to withhold wizards' progress. Remake the thread without all of this shit. Now.
No.68881
>>68877Nice skelly, wiz
>>68878>"paint by numbers"what do you mean by this?
No.68913
>>68878structural learning tend to accelerate your progress more than trying to figure out everything by yourself.
Some might manage to figure everything out by just doodling for years, while others end up like guy in pic related.
>>68881He is probably one of those learn it by doing it guys. thinking learning from books is a waste of time.
Sure it can cause burn out and make people give up when they see how much they need to study to get good.
But if you just randomly doodle for years and all your drawings look like they came from deviantart, it can also be pretty demoralizing.
it's easier and faster to just read a book that will show you the ropes.
No.68947
>>68944"Art is dead" says the guy who fingerpainted a wave using a photo as a reference
No.68949
>>68948thats pretty good copy
No.68951
>>68948>no way I could draw something like this on my own.>no way I could draw something like this on my own.yes you can. Just try, and keep on trying until you do.
No.68958
>>68957>he said art is dead, criticisez entire genres and people who draw fanart>I said that he said that art is dead, and critiqued his own gradeschool scribbles>Get this succubus-tier response back with some shitty cartoon that looks like it referenced an image macroI will think of this exchange later when pissing in my bottle and laugh and spill some pee on the ground
No.68961
>>68960Yes, we know, from all of the posts you made about it ion the last thread
>>63672 (That dumbfuck OP didn't bother linking as has been practice for 12 years)
No.68962
>>68961I am apologetic. These are new at least. I'll post no more masks other than the finished drawing.
No.68964
>>68960
this is neat
No.68965
>>68960
This is pretty nice anon
No.68966
>>68964>>68965Thank you. I might be confident enough for the proper drawing soon (it won't have more to it than this). My sketchpad has 22 pages left if it doesn't go well first try.
No.69031
>>69003Very cool drawing. I hope you can live off drawing commisions. The rigth leg looks a little off, but the other parts look good.
I been trying to draw since 2017 and even know i cant understand the exercises.
No.69177
>>69174No one cared who I was even after I drew the mask
No.69180
Not sure if digital art is included in this thread, gomen if not, but is using the transform tool okay or is it better if I learn how to draw different perspectives without it?
No.69212
>>69211
You've been at it for 3 months and you're directly referencing a photo. If that's what you manage after so long and with no creative thought neccesary, and after so many drawing sessions (that you've been shamelessly flooding this slugly thread with) then I'm going to say drawing isn't your forte. For God's sake man, at least rake up on your posture and give yourself my room on the page for your mask than, what is that, like three inches? The grain of your paper is going to be enough to cockblock you from depicting a smooth transition of light to dark.
Copies of photos, toddler scribbles, "how to draw" exercise slop… So much kuso! This thread needs to be reclaimed by those of us who dropped out of high school to draw anime succubi. If you're not drawing from imagination, then you're not drawing!
No.69214
>>69212I'm putting three photos together so it's as accurate as it can be: my face, a mask with reflected light, and my shadow. You're right that I should only post the plan and final drawing at most. I deleted the latest practice before I could see your post.
No.69217
>>69214>I'm putting three photos together so it's as accurate as it can beYou shouldn't be drawing from photos period. What is even the point?
No.69219
>>68913somehow this person got worse.
No.69227
>>69210I think is a good attempt of drawing that character. Dint know the artist until I saw this For a moment I thouhg it was that lusty skunk from that old webcomic.
Why every skunk has to be a slut? This one, the other from that webcomic, le pew, and that ntr fucker from the archie sonic
No.69315
>>69314I drew quite a bit on a Tab S6 and S7 with the S-Pen. It was very responsive with Sketchbook and the 120hz refresh rate, but an accumulation of little things made me go back to a physical sketchbook and my PC pen display. If there was a big S-Pen and a screen cover to give a more paper-like feel, then it would be great. The pro version of Sketchbook is worth the $2.50 or whatever it costs. I tried Krita and CSP on it, but they were just the desktop versions without enough accommodation for the nature of a tablet, so half of the screen is taken up by the interface.
This is the case I used. The hand strap made it a charm to draw without a desk and use in general, and it has a plastic screen protector that kind of mitigated the super smoothness that made the pen unwieldy.
No.69317
>>69315I see, I think I'll stick to Sketchbook for the time being then. Honestly a tablet with the S Pen and DeX sounds like the dream for me, thinking of getting me a used Tab S6 or Tab S7 eventually, maybe the Tab S8 or Tab S9, though I do need to find a good offer for those since they're still not that cheap for me at all, even used.
No.69318
>>69314>>69315Do it right and get an iPad with an Apple Pencil. You won't be disappointed.
No.69319
>>69318iPads and their software are generally pretty crap, and the S-pen uses better technologies…
No.69322
>>69318If I were to upgrade from my Galaxy Tab A8 for a tablet with a stylus, I'd probably go with a Samsung or even a Lenovo before even considering Apple. I know I sound like an Apple hater, but I'm not, I think they're excellent, their stuff is often so premium… but the price is also premium and if I can get something similar for less, often much less, then that's what I'd prefer for now still.
I'm probably going for a used Galaxy Tab A7 or A8 as my next one.
No.69323
>>69320Who's the blue lady in your drawing?
No.69324
>>69322>or even a LenovoI bought a used Lenovo X1 tablet as a general tool for drawing and reading manga but it turned out to be dead on arrival (bad RAM, soldered on). I then bought the laptop equivalent of the tablet that was basically the same but with a fixed keyboard and no pen, and it turned out to have some serious performance and reliability issues (was pretty much a netbook). If true portability isn't a necessity, you can look at getting an older Thinkpad with HDMI/DP out and pairing it with an auxiliary pen display
No.69329
>>69322I'm probably going for a used Galaxy Tab S7* or S8* as mu next one.
>>69324I see, that's a bummer… Lenovo seemed pretty decent for budget tablets, especially the M11 with the stylus and all.
No.69344
>>69314>I'm on Sketchbooksame, samsung tablets also comes with samsung's own drawing app called penup.
there is also Krita, but unfortunately needs 8gb of ram and 12,4 screen or bigger to work ideally.
the large screen requirement is mainly because the UI isn't design for tablets but rather desktops.
I considerate paying for clipstudio, but they want you to pay them a monthly subscription which I refuse.
rather just pay them a flat price and get to keep the app forever.
No.69360
does someone use a graphic tablet, how's it?
No.69361
ive been wanting to learn to draw since i was a teenager but i cant stand to draw anything that isnt a 1:1 reference because it makes me cringe so fucking hard.
No.69362
>>69361Cringing at yourself in any capacity is forbidden. If everyone cringed at themselves, nothing would have ever been made ever, because everyone sucks at first.
No.69365
>>69362well, some people say that the only way to improve art is by referencing, and others (such as the guy in this thread) say that its pointless to use references and that its not actually art, so im a little confused.
No.69452
Id love to but I don't think I have the patience
No.69464
Pencil test for an animation I made last month.
>>69407Yeah, same here. Less was just less this time around.
No.69471
>>69464good job. I did something like this but entirely within GIMP using a mouse. And even then I was just tracing another animation, but up-scaling it by hand. I had a bad "boiling" problem as I was tracing but yours looks pretty good. It's funny his head and collar change shape, but at least you were consistent enough it appears gradually.
No.69486
>>69471Thank you.
I've tried using GIMP, but my computer seems to reject most of it. Eh, I kind of want to try rotoscoping one day, it seems easier than redrawing the movements albeit with a more cartoony feel. I'm all for mouse and tablets, but I'm the kind of guy who gets lazy when I have professional contemporary equipment at my disposal, compared to accomplishing a classic traditional effect when I'm without complacency or a comfort zone.
Fortunately Mr. Partridge's tutorial series on universal principles and techniques can be found online, which was a huge stepping stone on more levels than expected:
https://archive.org/details/happyharry No.69487
>>69485You said the last two were the final two.
>>69486Anyone who takes animation tips from some washed-up Newgrounds Flash cartoon maker is going to end up a worse animator than they would have been had they not looked up an tutorials period.
I'm using a Sage as a symbol of disapproval.
No.69490
>>69487Maybe, but it's not as if I'm basing myself strictly on Mr. Partridge. William's The Animator's Survival Kit is also resourceful
despite the esoteric boomer humor with that one bit on classical music as is Janet Nunn's contribution.
Anyway I just like animation, mate. It's not Squid Games: cartoonist edition or something.
No.69525
>>69491Mew showing a child the moon as a final wish.
No.69527
A vagina ovulating, or at least I think it is (I drew this at midnight a month ago).
>>69524Nice job. The skullface gives it a suitably grim touch to the realism.
No.69563
>>69527thanks. been digitally painting and sketching for quite a while now and I realized that the easiest method to improve is to apply what I've learned directly on the canvas as fast as possible
No.69565
>>69563Huh, sounds effective. I might try that when sketching.
No.69603
>>69601A crappy work produced from your own imagination has value. A rushed copy of some photo does not.
No.69604
>>69603I think both have value. One primarily to try and improve technical skill and the other for more personal expression
No.69605
>>69604Just improve your technical skill through acts of expression…
No.69607
Been trying to draw a skull for a few days – want something that looks like those old Medieval woodcuts
No.69608
>>69607I once took a Print class 6 years ago, where you carved these plastic slabs, coated them in ink, and pressed them down on paper. Said technique would've accomplished the woodcut look spot-on.
All I went with, however, is this (attempted) Cubist take on Chester B…
No.69609
This thread has become 100% Chris-Chan tier
No.69610
>>69609Well hey, better
him than the creator of the "Tails sitting on a bench" comic..
No.69612
>>69611Yep
>>69610No, not really. This site would be better off with hurdcub scatophiles than it is with the developmentally withheld manchildren who speak to themselves in every thread that we have now.
No.69618
>>69612Eh, fair point. Wizchan has been getting raided by 4chan crabs, who can't accept individuals that don't have a circumcised pushover mindset, lately…
No.69620
>>69609>Chris-ChanReminder that he is no longer virgin, its free from jail, the internet has left him alone and now has a cute finnish gf (flutter). So comparing him to people is actually a compliment now lol. Although idk if his art has improved or not.
Also this thread is one of the most active draw threads out there, only exceeded by 4chan and anthro. foo. So no idea why are you so mad. Maybe try posting some of your fine art instead of whining at other people drawings?
No.69623
>>69620>this thread is one of the most active draw threads out thereNot by a long shot.
>So no idea why are you so mad Because this thread became another personal blog for manchildren to repeatedly post their dumb cartoon fan scribbles and the material consequences of their mental illnesses. It's embarrassing, sickening to look at. It would be irreverent to my own shitty cartoon doodles to post them in this stinky poopoo daycare thread alongside this crap. Look at the diversity of styles and points of view from the previous threads. Look at how that all stopped the moment this
>>69003 and this
>>69527 shit begun being posted. And then one of those idiots breaks 10 years of tradition by making the new version of the thread with HIS preferred normalfag Google result tier resources and HIS crappy doodle he made be referencing an image on his computer. It shows an incredible lack of awareness for the valued wualities of the community and lack of consideration for what others want to see in a thread - even when he had 10 years of threads to learn from.
Not every thread (in fact, no thread ever) needs to accommodate mentally ill manchildren. This isn't a safespace for baby-brained Disney fans.
No.69625
>>69623Swings both ways.
No one needs to tolerate you being a enraged jackass just because you don't like someone else's drawings.
It's a hobby thread, not serious buisness. You being a jerk and trying to bully people off the site for no other reason then you being a hater makes you seem like the one that needs to go.
They aren't the problem.
You are the problem.
You don't belong here. I would argue with your attitude you don't belong anywhere.
Fuck all the way off.
No.69628
>>69625Just ignore him. Bullies only respond to strength..
No.69629
>>69628Yes, yes.. Let people who post sour things continue on posting those opinions unabated.
No.69630
>>69623>Not by a long shot.Care to say which one are you refering to? Cause I been in a lot of imageboards and all of them have dead art theards. 28chan, Endchan and Trashchan are dead, heck even popular ones like 8kun and 8chan .moe with boards dedicated to art are very inactive. These place is alive compared to those.
>Because this thread became another personal blog for manchildrenYour manchild ramblings doesn't help either, if you want this place to change for the better, then be the change you want to see.
>It would be irreverent to my own shitty cartoon doodles to post them in this stinky poopoo daycare thread Epic crab mentality. If you are afraid to post your drawings and hate other people art so much, then why continue to stay here? I dont get this weird masochistic behaviour.
Also >Inb4 "you dont post your art either" Well, I was going to post some drawings but i get the "cannot post images with proxy" error. So whatever.
No.69639
>>69623>lack of consideration for what others want to see in a threadoh fuck off, this is a public thread. not some exclusive thread meant to just cater to your liking.
I do not mean you any harm when I say this. I don't get why people come to places like this and then expect consistent high quality content.
Since when did highly skilled artists frequent places like this? You are in the wrong place if you expected some high art museum next to an prestigious art school.
No.69640
>>69061My Asian Geriatric art teacher begged to differ.
No.69642
>>69640You went to art school?
No.69643
>>69642No, I just like drawing asian geriatric art and hired a private tutor for it, dingus.
>>69320Her name is Taarna. She's from the 1981 movie Heavy Metal (slow in parts, but really good, I do reccomend it).
>>69003Thank you. I based myself off of a manequin, which had its ups and downs (hence why I'm too shy to post on twitter). I tried working with commissions more than a decade ago. It could've gone better, but it might improve now. Your works are pretty good so far. A bit of negative space here and there, but the shading works. Keep it up!
>>69227Thanks. I have enjoyed Mr. J's style for quite some time, so I definitely wanted to give her a go.
No.69676
>>69675Just draw more. If you can type on an imageboard you can draw. Draw what you want to draw instead of stressing over what you think you *should* draw in order to get better.
No.69677
>>69675I'm a beginner so take my advice as a pinch of salt. But what I do in order to draw some stuff is to listen to a music playlist and use gloves cause my hands get really cold. Also I recently started to use some books as references (for things like food, faces and clothes).
And as for motivation, maybe try to remember some weird/interesting dreams that you had recently. Today I dreamed about being a lifeguard and doing CPR to a drowning succubus.
No.69685
>>69675Just dont do it.
If drawing worries you so much it's obviously a bad thing, not laziness.
Otherwise even a stick figure would be fun to pull off..
No.69686
>>69676Thanks for the advice, anon! I'm trying to do just that and it helps.
>>69677For a begginner your advice sure is good, loved the idea of drawing dreams, get in touch with our subconscious, that's really cool, anon.
>>69685I really am just lazy, also depression makes it hard to enjoy even things I know I like.
No.69690
>>69686I mean I found a method that is effective so far, but you need patience, and a tolerance to cringe.
Basically just extert yourself as slowly, and gently, as possible.
Now I don't mean
pretend to go slow, as you're still repressing energy, which will just implode. No.
Just do something, but adjust as much the speed as the momentum/force you're exerting. At first it'll be hard because you're accostomed to doing things at a certain rate. However, if you go at your normal speed, if not faster, you'll want to rush.
Meaning you'll want to finish it asap.
Meaning you want to get it over with
Meaning you just don't want it to stay in your mind.
Meaning you don't actually want to do it (hence why your brain implodes even if you "fake it till you make it").
However, if you extert yourself as gently, and by default slowly, as possible, your mind will take it easy as well.
Like I said it's working for me so far…
No.69693
>>69690This isn't bad advice… it's just that I work 7AM to 5PM, I'm home from 6PM to 6AM and the majority of those hours I have to spend sleeping to endure work, I might have 4 "free" hours in the day, which often aren't free at all because there's other things that I have to do which just so happen to not be my job, but are still work in a way, so naturally I rush though it all so I can have time to actually do everything I need to do, both chores and leisure. I think taking time would help, so this is genuinely excellent advice in my eyes, but sadly it's not viable for me right now, at least not on week days, on weekends though? I'll try this out!
No.69694
>>69693> I might have 4 "free" hours in the day, which often aren't free at all because there's other things that I have to do which just so happen to not be my job, but are still work in a wayThat's "the 4HL", and it is by design.
No.69695
>>69693All righty then, good luck.
Though try to keep the tmi to a minimum.
This is /hob/, not /dep/.
No.69697
>>69694I've never heard of it before, sounds interesting, I'll take a deeper look.
>>69695I see, I apologize. I admit I have the habit of writing and exposing a bit too much on forums and imageboards… I'll do better.
No.69699
>>69686>For a begginner your advice sure is goodThanks, I started like ~3 months ago, so i'm glad to see my advice being useful. Here's some other things that might me useful:
»Start a sketchbook and date your drawings (even if they look ugly at the begining, you will soon start to see some improvement)
»Use a chronometer to estimate your total drawing time. (I have around ~74 drawing hours)
»Create the habit of drawing eveeyday by setting an specific "drawing time" (I personally draw from 9 to 10 pm)
»And if your mind is blank when trying to draw, dont be ashamed to use some references as inspiration.
>>69686>I really am just lazy, also depressionSame, I procastinated a lot this summer, i'm try to lock in and increase the drawing hours somehow. Also about the depression, I never been diagnosed
cause I never talked to a psychiatrist lol but the overwhelming feelings of futility had always been there, persistent within me, but after I started to draw, those feelings have significally decreased,furthermore
the act of materializing an idea out of thin air has filled me with hope.
And so I hope you also get better anon.
Also going to post some drawing I did today, I usually prefer to remain silent,
due to being a dumb prefectionist afraid of attention lol but whatever, here goes nothing.
Oh, and also forgive the mobile-posting, I can't post images from the PC No.69718
>>69716This is the drawing thread.
No.69719
>>69718Ah sorry.
Here is a self portrait then. <3
No.69720
>>69714>you're a lot better than I was when I was 3 months into drawing. Really? Thanks for the kind words. But I honestly draw like trash most the time, my sketchbook is filled with 90% trash lol, I need to practice a lot more time daily though…
>I recommend going to a physician if you can afford it Not to sound rude, but i dont think i will, being labeled as a "mentally ill weirdo" would destroy my career and relations with others. Sadly having mental problems is seen worse that being a criminal. Also trying to buy meds without a permit is illegal, so I'm just going to endure it and hope things get better.
>I hope drawing helps both you and I to get out of this mindset we're stuck at,Agreed, also unrelated question but why do you draw? In my case I draw to express my feelings and my
deranged worldview, ¿What are your motivations anon?
>I can post on the imageboards I like about my hobbies, and then go do those hobbies, its enough for me to feel pretty content with lifeYeah, same happens to me, posting on imageboards is the only cope i have left lol, unfortunately most of the art boards/threads are quite dead.
>>69716>I made thumbnails for a full length comicSound interesting, what is the comic about? And ¿Do you have any tips to make a comic? Cause I wanna start one myself, but i have no idea how.
>>69718>This is the drawing thread.Then post (you)r drawings anon.
>>69719Very expressive drawing anon, i really like the silly expressions lel.
Also here a ugly drawing i did some days ago, but inked today.
My hatching technique is awful lol No.69725
>>69720>Not to sound rude.You don't, anon. Don't worry.
>I'm just going to endure it and hope things get better.That's alright, just don't close yourself completely from the option to get help, if it's between that and suicide or something, treatment is still better, also as long as you don't tell people about the appointments and medication you should be fine, unless your medical professionals leak something and then you could win some good money on a lawsuit.
>Agreed, also unrelated question but why do you draw? What are your motivations anon?I'm not sure, it's just something I'm fond of, that I enjoyed as a kid, especially because people told me I was good at it, and overall I enjoy artwork and being able to make whatever comes to my head, turning an idea into actual art, is satisfying.
>Yeah, same happens to me, posting on imageboards is the only cope i have left lol, unfortunately most of the art boards/threads are quite dead.I think /ic/ on 4chan is pretty active.
No.69726
>>69724Pretty good.
Kind of remind's me of Sigurd Hosenfeld's early work.
No.69727
>>69724>I know both of these are atrocious, but I feel somewhat proud of them. Relatable feeling lol, they ain't atrocious though, they do need some more polishing.
The first one looks rough due to the chicken scratching (short and repetitive lines), while the second pic anatomy feels a bit off, although the shading (especially in the hair) is quite good.
Some recomendations that might be useful:
→Try to practice individual parts (hands, torso, legs) and then combine them.
→Use a "stickman" as the starting structure from which build the body.
→Make the pupils a bit larger and pointing towards a side to avoid that "starting into the void" type stare.
→Change your posture and perspective to notice flaws or mistakes from another angles.
>I've mostly been just copying references mindlessly for a while and got burnt on itYeah, trying to same thing over and over is a mistake. I had done it myself before and it feels like insanity. Now I draw with a more "mixed" approach. By using books, dreams, references, random ideas and concepts, etc.. It's easier to draw and harder to get burnout.
>I don't really feel like I am doing things right but I am trying to keep at it every day.We all feel like frauds sometimes, dont feel bad for it, Its a normal feeling to have, the lack of guidance can sometimes feel suffocating. But is that same feeling that allows creative freedom. So shake that feeling and keep creating anon!
>>69725>don't close yourself completely from the option to get helpThanks for the advice, I always thought that isolating myself was the easier and less painful option to take, but after years of solitude I have noticed that nothing has truly changed, So I reached the conclussion that in order to change the world, I need to work on myself first. Therefore, I am trying to leave the past behind and I start to talk more to people, Recently I joined a social program to help other people. So I might not be as active anymore. Also kinda unrelated but this video made me think a lot today about my inner ideas. Specially after minute 10:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXD0SPhncBs>turning an idea into actual art, is satisfying.I agree, it feels good to let trapped ideas finally be free after all these years.
>I think /ic/ on 4chan is pretty active.Its been a while since I have enter that site, and I dont think I will go back. Sadly 4chan isn't what it used to be. Although I post (sometimes lol) on other imageboards like 8chan and Anthro .foo
No.69730
I made this today since I have been watching Mitsudomoe. Not a feat by any means but I wanted to draw something cute to try to relax since all I have been doing is grinding studies and trying to figure things out. Part of me feels like I might be too retarded to grasp things like how shapes are supposed to move in a 3D space.
>>69726Thank you.
>>69727Thank you, I took your advice to heart with some of my other stuff and tried to figure out how to deconstruct pieces from artists I like. I am still struggling a lot and almost gave up today while following some course I felt like I was ramming my head against the wall with.
No.69738
It's easier to draw nature and landscapes than I though, often just using a nice brush and doing simple strokes on a canvas can create the effect of something complex, I have Bob Ross to thank for this realization, it's not that difficult and I'm having fun.
No.69741
>>69730>Not a feat by any means but I wanted to draw something cuteIt is a valid feat though, I notice improvement, the earthy color palette feels warm and cute. And the shoulders and torso have a better anatomy, although the eyes might be too big for the head, Its still an overall improvement though. So keep going anon!
>I might be too retarded to grasp things like how shapes are supposed to move in a 3D space.Same lol, I heard that "construction" (drawing tons of cubes and spheres from different angles) improves that aspect, but i haven't tested that yet, so idk if it works.
>I took your advice to heartI glad that my silly words and tips inspired someone out there lol, Also speaking of tips, have you tried using multiple layers? cause I noticed some blank spaces in the hair, it's a minor mistake but using masks and layers could solve that problem.
>I am still struggling a lot and almost gave up todayYeah, that struggle is real and its very annoying, The same happened to me, At first I felt overwhelmed and thought that drawing was way too complicated for me, but then I started to "let loose" and stopped being so worried about everything, Now drawing has become a very liberating and fulfilling hobby. So I recommend you to let the pencil run wild and the ink flow freely!
>>69738>It's easier to draw nature and landscapes than I though,Really? I've tried and I suck at it, I need more practice structures, do you have any tips or resources that might be useful? Thanks in advance.
>>69740> I stopped drawing three years ago, but I want to start again..3 years really? Those look really great anon. If I were to stop drawing, even for a few days my abilities would immediately implode lol.