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>>302289
>Never have I heard a good reason why having sex with children or animals is immoral, or why someone who does so should suffer.
they have inflicted suffering upon others as well, unless according to your moral values raping children is not considered immoral and you do not see how such an act could cause harm to another

your entire rant is stupid because it is hypocritical, you're putting normal people down because you've been put down before and most people do the same thing essentially, they mistreat others as an outlet for their frustration because they've been abused just like you have
your outlet is far less harmful than others, it is not something tangible that causes pain onto other people, but the core desire is the same, you are being dishonest with yourself

It is a know fact in freemasonry that most people work at base consciousness, this animal behavior is engrained in everyone, but not in use depending on the level of consciousness of the individual.
Religion always had 2 versions, the one for the masses, which gets to be a character which impersonates all the characteristics that the clergy want the population to revere, and the esoteric one, which contains the real occult meaning.

Why is this? some people can't literally get into complex stuff, they just can't, they avoid it, their brain just can't process it. On the meantime the ones who can just get into it.

See, in the digital era where information is available to everyone, wouldn't this be the most wise and free era of humanity?, not really, see, the same people that lived 100 years ago are still here, the ones who want do it and the ones who don't want don't do it, the fact that society is as degenerate as ever its just because "degeneracy" is just a custom, teach someone to be a degenerate when they are a child and its up to them whether they leave it or not.

The problems you are typing about in your thread are just instincts from the people, yeah morals are part of the instincts to an extent.

People can't literally identify whether an action they committed is good or evil, they just follow their instincts

Do not discuss with animals

Morals definition

Concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

Bullying = animal moral
Harming pedophiles and Zoophiles = animal moral

Animal morals ≠ real morals

It is possible to stop working in base consciousness, get into occult stuff.

>>302290
I never said raping children is moral, I said having sex with them is.
>>302291
>>302292
I agree. I often call these people "animal-minded humans"

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evil people will hurt everyone and everything around them because money is not created, it is taken from people who have it. when i encounter accounts of evil from past centuries then i am always surprised how much of it i can see in current behavior.

when i was a little boy i would have loved to have sex with hot succubi but they wouldn't have wanted it back with me so there is no consent. i think humanity was meant to only care about consent but then when i look at how dumb and evil most children are, this question of being able to consent actually makes sense. it wouldn't have made sense to me because i was a smart kid but i know how dumb soulless bullies most kids are, they really are as unconscious as can be. it doesn't get better with age though, their childhood simply expires but they remain as dull as they always have been.

i said it before but in a way i don't even think bill gates is evil for wanting to kill everyone. just look at everyone. how mean they are, how guilty they are. maybe he really is trying to do what is best for humanity. hard to tell.

>>302289
I am glad you, as a pedophile, are mad at bullying. I hope you get bullied for eternity, actually. Spoil innocence and get what you deserve! Cheers

>>302305
You've illustrated my point.
>>302304
I've thought about this too. Did you know we are capable of making a black hole powerful enough to consume the earth?
We must find a way to remove brains from our bodies and put them in machines which keep them alive, hooked up to computers which simulate a utopia. We could also inject them with morphine or cocaine, periodically. If we cannot do this, I say end all conscious beings as quickly and painlessly as possible.

>>302304
> when you believe crazy conspiracies but actually like what the bad guys are trying to do.

thats how I feel about the Illuminati. Where would we be without the Enlightenment and French Revolution?

>>302305
>Spoil innocence and get what you deserve!
if all children are innocent how do we end up with sinful adults? not all the children are getting raped, so it must be that their innocence is slowly being whittled away (and given up willingly). every interaction with the real world and hopefully most interactions with adults are going to shatter their delusions about how the world works, destroying their innocence. but that isnt a crime, thats how things should be, if depriving someone of their innocence were a crime we would be locking people up for saying santa isnt real.

i don't think most people are evil. it is more likely the line you draw between good and evil is unrealistic. most people are completely mundane. boredom is the biggest source of problems in life if you ask me, not evil. bad things happen when you are bored

>>302323
The original topic is about morality, if you're going to delve whether a child i able to give consent or not you're in for a good derail

>>302325
the hypocrisy of the OP cannot be ignored, here we have an individual complaining about mass immorality while stating that fucking 5 year olds is no biggie
and this thread should be on /wiz/

>>302329
>this thread should be on /wiz/
If OP wants to make his big brain thread on /lounge/ and open his reply section up to pictures like this then that's HIS choice

>>302324
Have you ever seen assualt being commited? Many times in my life I've witnessed someone assault another person. Everyone else did nothing but I defended the person being assaulted and destroyed the assaulter. btw if you call me a LARPer it shows you're an impotent faggot. I'm sure the victim of the assault would not have tried to help me.
Or when I still lived with my parents, when the cat attacked the dog I was the only one who protected the dog. My parents would just laugh, but I'd punch the cat as hard as I could or I'd throw it against the wall.
>>302329
I think you shouldn't penetrate a five year old, but not all sexual activity involves penetration. If you claim you have not done something worse than sexual activity with a five year old, you either have no moral compass, or are lying.

>>302333
>If you claim you have not done something worse than sexual activity with a five year old, you either have no moral compass, or are lying.
I hate nonces so much it's unreal.

Btw, you're probably too dumb to understand this >>302343 post. You see, you are a nonce, and you hate nonces; self-hatred is a sign of depression. Let me know if any of this gets into your walnut sized brain.

>>302333
retaliating against violence with violence doesn't make you better than someone doing nothing in response

>>302323
>a child's consent can never be fully obtained
i suggest looking up what consent means
>they can easily be taken advantage of and swayed by a manipulative adult
so because they dont have very strong convictions its a crime to have sex with them? do you think this applies to adults as well? like if someones really charismatic or offers material items in exchange for sex then do you actually think a rape has occured?
>and sexual abuse causes life-long lasting traumatic effects on the mind of the victim
were not talking about sexual abuse, were talking about regular sex.
>i find it difficult to believe that you would be advocating for pedophilia so vehemently without wanting to have sex with children yourself
i defend pedophilia because i understand right and wrong. vilifying pedophiles can only come from a total failure to understand the essence of what morality is, so its not just a minor issue, your opinion on pedophilia signifies a fundamental error in your view of the world.

>>302320
>actually like what the bad guys are trying to do.

liking it would be to strong of a term requiring more certainty about it, ma'am. i think you let your desire to turn everything into emotions get the best of you, ma'am. it's not that simple and i don't really know. i don't have reliable information about it.

it's more like i want it to be true and seek for the optimism in all of this horror.

one of the biggest problems with elites being actually benevolent geniuses is that i don't believe a smart person would choose to be elite or even very rich because there is no happiness in it. they all don't seem to care about being happy, they seek power and influence which i don't believe a smart person would do. you kind of have to be a dummy being tricked by identification to fall for it.

no shit i agree with the elites because what they are getting the earth of rid? the bad humans so nothing is lost

>>302378
>a barely conscious being has no capability of having a substantial understanding of the concept of sex and therefore cannot be trusted with the ability to decide whether it can have sex or not
that doesnt have anything to do with consent (you should really look up its meaning), and you would never apply this line of thinking anywhere but here. like would you say succubi and niggers are too stupid to be held accountable for contracts they engage in? no, you just want to justify your feelings about sex with children so youve made a completely unverifiable claim backed only by popular opinion.
>as adults have the capability of knowing right or wrong, while for children that's impossible
oh, so not only is there not a single child that knows right from wrong you claim that its an impossibility for that to occur, and why exactly? lets just ignore the fact that this has come straight out your ass for a minute and explore the retardation of the world you believe in. not only do you believe that knowledge of morality is special and different from other kinds of knowledge, you think that there must be a fundamental difference between the brain of a child and that of an adult. now if im talking to a neuroscientist here, let me know, but as i understand it an adults brain is simply a more develop form of a childs brain, with no new systems added to it. if there are things that are impossible for children to understand and readily understood by adults, can you list off things other than sex that children are physically incapable of understanding? if you arent just making ad hoc justifications for your belief system, that is.
>so you can gain some kind of leverage in your attempt at posing moral superiority
i am morally superior, and intellectually superior as anyone who isnt blinded by their hatred towards pedophiles can easily see how ludicrous your arguments are. you will go to any length to pretend that having sex with children is immoral, and it creates comical contradictions in your world view. i wouldnt be laughing at you and emphatically declaring my superiority if there were actually an argument to be had, but as you decided what to believe long before logic entered the equation, there is nothing left to do but to make a mockery of you.
>according to it sexually abusing children is not immoral
repeat after me, sex is not sexual abuse. you realize these are two different things right? you are the only one talking about sexual abuse in this discussion.

Wizards on morality: 5 words

Wizards on having sex with children: 1000 words

>>302383
>yeah no shit you fucking retard, ever heard of this thing called circumstance?
were not talking about different circumstances. children are stupid and so are niggers, so there is no reason why having sex with a nigger shouldnt be rape by your logic. a child has certain characteristics, and you claim that due to specific characteristics you have identified, its immoral to have sex with them, yet another being with these exact same characteristics is given a free pass. you see how you arent actually arguing at all? you dont care about truth or logic, you just want your beliefs to be true.
>you're not capable of comprehending the concept of adults being responsible for their actions, while a child, just like an animal, is not?
everyone is responsible for their actions, all the time, no matter what. just because people generally forgive children doesnt mean they arent responsible for their actions. also most of the time the parents take responsibility for wrongs done by the child, like how with jews they celebrate when they are no longer responsible for their childs sins with the bar mitzvah.

if children really werent responsible for their actions then there would be no obligation to pay anyone back for wrongs done by children. like if a child goes and kicks some adult, the parent doesnt just say "well its a child so you cant hold him accountable", the parent apologizes because an actual wrongdoing has occurred, and if the kid isnt going to pay for what he did then the parent is expected to do so on his behalf.
>you've clearly experienced no cognitive evolution since childhood, sorry to break it to you but not everyone's as big of a mentally stunted troglodyte as you are
out of arguments already? weve barely even started, thats a shame.
>you are seemingly not capable of wrapping your mind around the concept of a child being negatively affected and scarred for life by a sexual experience at a frail age
i can understand how that would happen, but that doesnt mean i agree that it MUST happen every single time a child has sex. and adults can be scarred by sexual encounters too, that doesnt turn a consensual sexual encounter into rape though, obviously. just another way in which your myopic arguments fail to account for any other real world situation.
>you're just trying to spark controversy
do we need to review the thread again? because i dont recall making a snide post wishing violence upon non-pedophiles and pedophile haters.

(and im not the OP btw, which is pretty clear considering i dont even use capital letters)

How this problem gets solved? don't have sex with children, have sex with sex doll that look like children, boom problem solved

>>302389
>sex bad …unless kids??
Now THAT is the essence of wizardry. Definitely not a common attitude of crabs or anything, am I right?

>>302346
This is the mindset of the fags who preach for "rehabilitation, not punishment" and anti-racism.

Man, I've had enough of simple minds.
I wish I had the patience to reply to every single false implication in this thread, but that would take a whole 3 hours to thoughtfully rationalize, formulate, and postulate a secure argument for which all 3 people who'd care to read would do so.
Please just regard me as another fart-sniffing faggot if you wish, I just need to vent about retards and their prevalence in my online communities, presenting the worst possible discourse that any mind can comprehend.

>>302512
it's ok, matthew. ur the smartest bloke but too lazy to own everyone in an argument.

>>302513
That's exactly it. Are the best parts of arguments just posturing yourself above others on the basis of appealing to popular sensibilities and ethos, rather than trying to achieve a logical consensus for the fun of it? One can own the libtards, own the cuckservatives, and own all the extremists and centrists in between. But, it doesn't change the fact that nobody cares about ideas for their own sake, and all of this was for nothing.

>>302516
>he views me as one specific "side" diametrically opposed to his
You simpletons really can't think beyond black and white, can you?
In this case, you should feel so privileged as to be graced by a superior life form as I. Perhaps you can learn something from the few pearls I have thrown in your direction, and realize that some people who happen to share your perspective on things are embarrassed by your stupid input, which acts as a detriment to what you espouse in the free market of ideas.
In simpler terms, allow me to state it again: you're retarded, you happen to be right on one thing, your kindergarten reading comprehension makes you think anyone who disagrees with your rationale is on "the bad people's team" and you won't accept the fact that your lackadaisical approach to argumentation is so fundamentally ass-backwards, that it makes whatever perspective you present look as retarded as you are.

Can you even summarise what I've said to you thus far, or could you not spare the whole 30 seconds from consuming your readily accessible dopamine triggering drug of choice to try to comprehend anything more that "u dumb, me smart," like the proverbial amoeba you are?

>>302518
Truly amusing, that one sentence is the extent of your mental faculties.
What else do you have to offer?

>>302517
you can tell this guy is a redditor. ain't no one here to give you gold, fine sir.

>>302521
I do believe I'm responding to a chatbot here. Non-sequitur after non-sequitur and calling anyone you don't like a pedo is the most you can contribute on the information superhighway at one of the most critical times in history?
If this is the average of 'human' intelligence on Earth, then I wonder why I am still here, if not to take advantage of your feebleminded kind.
You've convinced me that I am a different species from the rest of you, and that the propagation of my kind, along with the subjugation of your race at my hand is inevitable.
Enjoy spending the next thousand years acting as a slave caste to my artificially grown descendants, worm.

>>302524
The one and only message I wish to convey is that you are a mere germ to me. I hardly ever wished to say any more.
I suppose if you have, by some miracle, ever come to a more sound mind, you can simply admit that you don't actually have any interest in developing ideas and expanding the horizon of human knowledge, but rather you're so consumed in your pitiful neuroses and perception of reality revolving around trying to make yourself to be some sort of a stalwart of reason, while failing to realize you have absolutely no mental resources to do so.
With what little you have divulged so far, I can assume you have failed on every account in your life. To be honest, the only reason I've replied so far is to get more (you)s out of you, but alas I grow bored of such trivial mudflinging. It's been pretty fun making you look lower than a leprechaun's nutsack, but I may take a break to focus on something more pertinent to the grand scheme of the human condition. Toodles :)

>>302312
>We must find a way to remove brains from our bodies and put them in machines which keep them alive, hooked up to computers which simulate a utopia. We could also inject them with morphine or cocaine, periodically. If we cannot do this, I say end all conscious beings as quickly and painlessly as possible.

i've heard this idea from science fiction somewhere before that inevitable doom nears and because humans can't stop it, they instead retreat inside the computers.

i'd wonder if things are different if people were living in a utopia. as long as the corrupt civilizational mechanisms like money, surveilance+sabotage, violence still exist as well as the psychopaths who will never be happy and instead try to become powerful. the problem is ugly people, their inability to be sexually desirable to other people and their subsequent desire to control everything as to create the conditions where sex with them includes an economic incentive. all the problems currently haunting humanity could be aborted away. those who consider planet earth a battlefield and came here to make war happen don't need to exist anymore. they only ruin the planet more.

>>302527
Okay, I'll bite. Argument for or against what?

>>302320
>when you believe crazy conspiracies but actually like what the bad guys are trying to do.

bitch you must have missed your last telenovela and your desire for drama and conflict is clouding your perception. you parents would have been wise to just abort you.

>>302530
What I implied in that post is what I presented at face value.
I see some guy posting a dumb argument for pedophilia, then I see some guy post an argument against pedophilia that also makes no logical sense, which stands to delegitimize its respective viewpoint. I immediately lose any ambition to read further, and I post a short rant out of frustration. I get replies, decide to troll, but don't know where to go with my trolling, so it just trails off into me acting like a cartoon elitist and whatnot, and here we are.

>>302289
Peter Singer's argument for why most people are evil:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine,_Affluence,_and_Morality

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Promising thread about morality sidetracked by OP, who is so much of a nonperson that he has no opinion on sex crimes, because he would not view such hypothetical copulation as being between non-equals. Such an act would drag himself through the dirt. Having no kind of standards like that, that's a definite lack of personhood. OP don't know what is good or bad for him because he don't know himself.

>>302289
All "morality" is, is an after the fact justification for something people find inherently disgusting.

Homosexuality is a great example. Any normal man sees 2 men kissing/having sex and is repulsed, consequently attacks them and ostracizes them and justifies it by saying what they are doing is bad but never gives any real reason or justification other than "it's against nature"(code for, "it disgusted me").

Now keep in mind humans are social animals that rely on society to survive and have to cooperate and work with others to get ahead. The groups of humans that have cooperated and worked together better could survive better and could out compete groups that didn't. Eventually once civilizations started, societies that are more cohesive and obedient could obtain more economic productivity and therefore wage war and conquer other societies that didn't.

The only reason having sex with children is bad(even if both parties want it) is for societal stability. Human desires when it comes to relationships, having kids, having good parents, are pretty incompatible with a society that thinks anyone and everyone should be able to have sex since it leads to pregnancy. That's why polygamy is viewed as "bad" in western societies while in lots of places it is perfectly normal. Same with incest. Bestiality is similar to the homosexual category I suspect.

There is a reason South East Asia is known for the child sex stuff. A lot of people there don't see sex the way people in western societies do, and would gladly prostitute their own kids for money and opportunities and not feel like they are doing anything wrong. If they didn't, it wouldn't matter how poor they are, they wouldn't let it happen.

Punishing behaviours that are harmful to society is a way to keep those behaviours in check and keep society stable.

Human are not evil or good. They are just animals that work towards their survival and self propagation like every other life form on the planet. The only special thing about humans is we can pass down information through memetics and not just genetics. This allows societies and civilizations to be built over time.

If you accept and work within this framework, how things work will become quite obvious to you. The "evil" people in this context are those that work against nature and try to destabilize society. Feelings don't matter when 90% of people are acting on instincts. They are not smart enough to understand how or why things work the way they do. They just do as others do if society is functioning because it's the safest choice.

>>302562
are volcels evil to nature?

>>302562
>The only reason having sex with children is bad(even if both parties want it) is for societal stability

Nah, you're just mentally retarded.

>>302563
You would be socially ostracized in any society if succubi liked you but you rejected all of them. People would think your a closet homosexual. That's always been the case. If you didn't have or want to have kids you weren't viewed as having an invested interest in that society therefore could not hold a serious position inside it.

So in a sense, yes because they have rejected the fundamental biological purpose of their existence.

>>302562
>All morality…
Yeah an instinct

>…sex with children is bad…
Having sex with children is seen as bad because one could harm the child.
Imagine in a tribe a being 3x the size of the succubus could harm her in the pussy, now if a grown succubus does it to a boy i don't know why it would be wrong.

its simply that the tribals that did not see anything wrong with having sex with a child didn't spread their genes because their attitudes lead them to their own destruction, whereas the ones who saw having sex with children as wrong were able to continue their genetic line.

>>302293
>I never said raping children is moral, I said having sex with them is.
The only people I've ever heard make a distinction between the two is literal pedophiles.

>>302616
Not a valid a point or argument.

>>302562
>All "morality" is, is an after the fact justification for something people find inherently disgusting.
You're neglecting how much morality is socialized.
"murder is wrong" isn't even universal, with the definition of murder and in what context it is wrong shifting around.
I think you already understand this going from the rest of your post and you're misusing the term 'inherently'

>>302720
Inherently is probably the wrong word here. Innately? Something that comes from nature. Like enjoying the taste of your favourite food, or being disgusted by the smell of shit. No matter how much socialization happens, that's monkey brain stuff and we can't change it(taste buds changing over time is besides the point).

I do think murder, or unjust killings between members of the society is universally wrong. It's hard to imagine a society that could allow such a thing. I don't know of a single one. People will always find justifications to kill others, that doesn't mean those people still find unjust killing wrong. Those justifications could be as simple as "he looks weak" or "God demands a sacrifice". But they still need a justification to kill a member. Societies with poor justifications don't last long.

>>302291
As Above So Below, As Below so Above

>>302289
Imagine defending pedophilia and beastiality

>>302841
Anything that leads to the collapse of human civilization has my blessing.

>>302849
And what are YOU doing to contribute to the collapse?

>>302289
I was bullied by succubi

>>302850
spreading alt-right propaganda onthe internet.

>>302872
>alt-right propaganda
Doesn't exist. Propaganda is only so if it's being pushed by a greater power which is using its extended reach and influence to deliver messages to the general public. The Alt-Right is defined partly by its exclusion from mainstream talking zones - from the general public eye. Posting 13/50 to a handful of frogs on an imageboard is not propaganda.

Besides, the Right as a whole is unified in being anti-collapse. It's about repairing and returning. The only ones propagating collapse are the niggers who are burning down buildings and the red-shirt queers who are defending them.

You are a lost and confused ironic shitposter who should really just get off of imageboards. Now call me a CUCK and post ShapiroLaugh.gif.

>>302875
That would only hand power back to their oppressors lol.

>>302873
>gets spoonfed obvious propaganda
>lol it's not propaganda it's a legitimate organic movement.
That's why I keep spreading it.

There is a way to act that is acted by normies and low IQ people.

It is a system in which non-platonic friendship is impossible unless you're equally subjugated by someone else. If you beat them like a bad dog or slander them at their every attempt at forming their own opinion or do something without your permission they treat you as their master like said dog. If you treat them like an equal, they will try to dominate you and tell you what to do while immorally attacking you for doing your own thing in your half of the living space. There can be a third person who dominates you both and tells you what to think so that you can outsource your thinking to that person if you are low IQ and your brain burns fewer calories per day than your ears. They will then treat you as an equal as neither of you dominates the other and tells it what to do and what to think.

A form of the aforementioned brain inactivity is practised by Somalis as to not expend excess calories during the famine season.

Group selective morals like self sacrifice and giving after for others are taught in schools while individual selective traits like selective lying and defending your every inch is taught to sons in the Arab world.

Integrity means to tell the truth and have honour when it isn't in your social or material interest. To have integrity, it is needed to have a sense of truth, logic and morals. A person with no sense of truth, logic or morals at all that could only sense loyalty and primal hierarchy would believe its gang leader whatever it said and make up the utmost absurdities if it was such a leader itself.
It is that mind that results in this behaviour.

A complete person with a complete mind would understand your lawn from his even if you didn't pose on the borders all the time or made symbolic minor intrusions to his. The opposite person would instead of investing in a pastime or a craft intrude on your land, living space, dignity, feelings, norms and everything else of yours unless you would mark your territory which you with regards to normies don't have the right to do in practice.

Having no right to dominate immoral normies who live with you, the living space and possessions would gradually fall into their hands, them stopping only at the bare minimum you need to exist as laws and norms are not holding them back. You could try to be aggressive but it would land you in jail 1 day out of 2, rendering it an equal opportunity of alleviation to when alone fight back with equal or greater force when a group of normies attack your subhuman self physically.

Complete men can basically not live with persons who intrude on your immaterial possessions such as feelings, space and dignity, nor can they work with those who act the same; they can only healthily interact with other men of complete minds, a pleasure however bereft of those with low calorie brains and small minds.

>>302924
a lot i agree with and a lot of edgy stuff i can't quite make sense of, overall 10/10 post though

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>>302940
*presses [x]*

>>302924
it's betacrab behavior and all it shows is that they are insecure
all males who act macho or manly are pretty much coping with not being able to get respect naturally like alpha chads and falsely think the way to do it is by being an asshole
this is why all the betas/cucks/and simps are stuck usually in the same habitat, there is rarely a true chad there since they are all in higher circles

>>302537
dogshit academic/professional "philosophy".
>"Suffering and death from lack of food, shelter and medical care are bad".[4]
>"If it is in our power to prevent something bad from happening, without thereby sacrificing anything of comparable moral importance, then we ought, morally, to do it".[4]
>"It makes no moral difference whether the person I can help is a neighbor's child ten yards from me or a Bengali whose name I shall never know, ten thousand miles away".[4]
>"The principle makes no distinction between cases in which I am the only person who could possibly do anything and cases in which I am just one among millions in the same position".[5]

sounds like normalfags won and wizards lost to me

>>308030
most people accept utilitarianism in principle, so this would be their morality if they acted on those premises

>>308031
Because a violent nigger (the average normie) who stabs or shoots you on the street will always win against an introverted pacifist wizzie.

>>308031
if we all lie about how great our lives are, then they wont have to know about that

I was fucked over hardest in life by a middle aged supervisor that cried to me constantly about being bullied at high school and at his first jobs. You're right in that people bullied and down on their luck aren't necessarily good people.

>>308031
Not for long. I'm going to make a country where all high compassion people can live. We'll torture and deport violent people.

>>308239
we will vivisect them until they learn to be more compassionate

this is why i am a wizard neet. fuck normscum and their society that punishes good guys