/lounge/ - Lounge

>>315139
pic of the one you build? (when you'll finished it)

the board on top i think is a good idea. i usually build stuff like that myself and try to include as much shelving storage into the furniture as possible because in the era of mass production, drowning in possessions is always right around the corner.

i did not build mine with the board on top and the speakers to the side though because i don't have enough space, i put the desk right in front of a big shelve and the higher i build the table, the less levels of the shelve i reduce the access to. i did build a bottom board in it though so that i can put the pc tower and a box on it where all the cables plug into the multi-outlet.

>>315142
>pic of the one you build?

i paint you one

this is birds eye view
>two boards
>one is 100cm * 60cm
>the other is 100cm * 30cm

there is a 10cm gap between them that way i don't have to get a way more complicated to buy and expensive 100*100 cm board and the gap is actually useful because i put cables through it. i just have to make sure the monitor does not fall into the gap. most likely i put the monitor on a 100cm * 30cm board that i place on top of two stones and that way it is raised off the table so that i can slide a keyboard underneath but the monitor i currently use has a nice height adjustment built into it so maybe i don't use it.

the legs are thick and sturdy rods from galvanized steel that are sold in the construction store

the legs i decided to be 80cm long (i tried to find the perfect height for me using the chair i plan to sit on and the height adjustable table in my kitchen that i currently sit at) total height of the table will be ~83cm. that way i force myself to sit straight up and not slouch and not develop back problems from sitting crooked in front of the pc.

hidden underneath the desk boards are two more rods, they help with any potential load but more importantly they keep the structure sturdy and connect the left and the right side.

2 more 100cm rods on each side, both for stability and also for another board that is coming up. the hidden rods were also 100cm long.

i place one more board (100cm * 30cm) on the most bottom rods and this is where i put the pc and the cablebox on. and that way it is not crowding the table.

the bottom rods are 25cm off the ground, this is the height i use for everything so i can get underneath it with a broom easily and (hopefully once i am done) have an easy time keeping everything clean.

since the bottom rods now have the load of the pc on them, i distribute this load on one short rod that is 25cm long.

i can buy 100cm rods but i can not buy 80cm rods or 25cm rods, i cut those from longer rods using a simple angle grinder with a cutting disk. when i first started to build like that my cuts were ugly and imprecise but i did those cuts a few hours ago and now i can do them very precise, all 4 legs came out between 79,9cm to 80,1cm, i don't think this table will rock.

this is how much a rod costs me.

>>315150
I knew you were german haha.
also can you draw the computer on the desk/where all the objects goes on the desk

i have 6 legs now and i put these feet underneath each of the legs. this both distributes the load on a bigger surface and also i put self-adhesive felt pads underneath and that way i can easily gilde the table over a smooth floor without scratching it.

i am not welding anything with this table by the way. this is held in place mostly by gravity and a little bit with these (what i believe the pros refer to as) grub screws. they dig into the metal and all that is needed to use them is an allen key/hex key.

>>315151
>also can you draw the computer on the desk/where all the objects goes on the desk

okay i do this on the final image

i actually drew the picture wrong. i use a total of 4 ellbow connectors. 2 to connect the left feet and 2 to connect the right feet. update incoming.

this is what i ended up doing. here i circled the 4 points where the ellbows connect the feet on each side.

the ellbows are just as easy to use as the feet

this is the t-connector. it just connects two rods at an right angle.

>>315155
looking at your model, it looks like it's going to be wobbly

just as easy to use as the ellbow.

when a load is put on them sideways, i don't trust the grub screws to hold it and i always like to distribute it to another rod.

>>315158
>it looks like it's going to be wobbly

i hope not, there are a few things i can do. one thing is loosen and tighten all the grub screws and that way imperfections of ~1mm should balance itself out. also the felt pads will help with slight imperfections of ~1mm. for everything larger i use little pieces of rubber i will show soon.

>>315159
once your desk done you should try to shake it to see if it wobbles

i use 10 t-connectors in the whole build

>>315160
>you should try to shake

oh there will be shaking!

>>315161
>oh there will be shaking
hahaha
>six leg for more stability
good , are you going to join them or leave it like that

this is the last connector that is used in the build. it is used to connect a board with a screw to a rod.

this was the stupid things i spend so many hours driving all over the city to multiple constructions stores trying to find it through slow moving traffic.

i smart person would have known this and ordered them online but i wanted to be spontaneous and paid for it.

anways i use 12 of those. for each of the 3 boards on the table i use 4 pieces so i can screw each board in all 4 corners into those connectors.

this is the final thing. but it is not really final. these connectors that i use, a big advantage of them is that when i don't like something, i can disassemble it into components and rebuild it as something new.

when it turns out that 100 was to little and i do want 120cm width, i just use different boards (that i already own from previous projects) and merely replace the two 100cm invisible rods with 120cm invisible rods.

>>315162
>good , are you going to join them or leave it like that

i leave them like that because the lower rods on each side are held in place by t-connections to the table legs which should keep this very rigid. they are basically rails.

>>315164
looks good to me. good luck building it wizzie!╰⁠(⁠*⁠´⁠︶⁠`⁠*⁠)⁠╯
what will you store at the bottom of the desk (behind the screen computer)?

>>315165
>what will you store at the bottom of the desk (behind the screen computer)?

not sure yet but i noticed i am always out of space to put stuff i am about to use. also nice for plates and glasses. i have a little tray with pens and boxcutters/screwdrivers that can go there. a roll of toilet paper, my 8bitdo pro2 controller that i like to play dome keeper with. stupid letters i have to respond to, the little stack of paper i use as kind of a calendar, maybe a charging station for my tool batteries. i always need it and never have a good permanent place to put it.

>>315165
>good luck building it wizzie!╰⁠(⁠*⁠´⁠︶⁠`⁠*⁠)⁠╯

thanks mang, it is basically done. hardest part was cutting the 4 legs from 100 to 80 and i did that a few hours ago (and then sanding it so it does not have sharp burrs on it, cutting metal always leaves sharp dangerous edges). currently there is rust-proofing liquid reacting on it (when i don't put it on cuts, these cuts is where the rust will soon start to grow) so i can only assemble it tomorrow in the evening since the stuff wants to react for 24 hours.

>>315167
(O_o) so its almost done?

>>315169
>(O_o) so its almost done?

all the rods and connectors that don't use the legs are already connected. it is just 100cm by 100cm, which shouldn't be this big but since the rods are so girthy, this thing looks huge and it is quite heavy. i don't think i have ever had this sturdy of a table.

i thought it would be ridiculous to build a table from this strong steel rods but i already like it. my guess is the rods can hold up 100s of kg. maybe more then 1000kg=1 ton

>>315170
do you have strong arms to move the desk? ᕙ⁠(⁠⇀⁠‸⁠↼⁠‶⁠)⁠ᕗ or ask your father for help

>>315171
>do you have strong arms to move the desk?

i don't thinki'll be lifting it. i build it right on the spot where it is supposed to be. it'll glide on the floor easily because of the felt pads which i sticky underneath the feet.

a good thing about this way of building is that this can be disassembled just as quickly as it can be built so if it was too heavy, i'd just diasassmble it. no strong arms or second person needed.

>>315172
do you have a big room?

>>315173
>do you have a big room?

if i had a bigger room, i'd get a bigger table and also make it height adjustable. because that's nice to be able to lower and raise the height of a table depending on the situation. i have a small place and make use of what little space i have.

i thought i was almost done but will take a little while longer still until the table is done -_-

it is not really wobbely, but it is foldy, the two sides (left and right) want to fold together or appart so i want to get one more rod on the bottom (underneath the lower board in yellow), which means i need 2 more t-connectors and one more 100cm rod.

i wanted the board to be the thing that holds the lower parts of the table together but the board more or less sits on top of the table, only gently held in place by screws, if i would use it for structure, i would have to drill through it and use heavy bolts, which i am trying to avoid.

also i must have miscounted, i am missing 2 board connectors, i need 12 but i only have 10.

>>315193
good luck! keep us on news

went to the construction store again, bought an additional 100cm rod, earlier today i bought a 50cm rod which i will cut in half to get two 25cm rods to hold up the load of the bottom board.
i also bought the missing 2 surface connectors

and i bought two pieces of this rare connector. since i was adding the 100cm rod on the bottom from left to right, i can use this connector to connect it AND also connect the little 25cm load-bearing rods. i don't mind having bought a few excess connectors because i use those rods and connectors for everythang.

>>315196

damn it is still somewhat foldy.

luckily if during usage it turns out to be too unstable (or if it does not pass the shake), i can always reconfigure it using these 3-way connectors, i did not know how much stability they added! those are proven tough guys in my builds.

it may have been that my previous constructions did not have such long legs to account for. but i'm leaving it the way it is, once it is flipped over the weight of the top part should help in stabilizing.

bad news, it does not pass the shake test, it is too foldy. i realize these rods and connectors are great for stuff that stays put exactly where it is. but for stuff that is moving just a little bit, like a table that might be shoved forwards and backwards a bit this might not be that great.

i have seen this technique in the pictures from the construction store that sells these. but i don't want to add more weight to it.

maybe i use these and try to make this cross connection with thin steel-rope. i've been meaning to play with steel-rope for a while but never had an opportonity to use it, i soon wanna use it to make curtains without rods.

(this is actually one half of a bolt connector that is used to attach rods in odd angles that aren't 90°)

i know what i'll do. i have (/)1cm cotton rope, i just tie two ropes diagonally so that just a tiny amount of tension is on them and that way it might restrict any folding.

ask your father/mother for help or siblings

>>315204
>ask your father/mother for help or siblings

what's wrong with my way?

damn one of the rods just fell out, took chunks out my fake wooden floor.

i was building the table flipped over so that the surface side was on the floor, not realizing that turning it around would be almost impossible and loosen all the connections so that's a lesson learned the hard way.

i think i know how to do it. i have to wait 48 hours until the rust-proofing on my 25cm rods is done and then all my parts are ready for assembly. i wanted to add those later but i can already smell that those will help get stuff out of allignment.

>so i wait patiently
>then assmble left side completely
>then right side completely
>then errect everything using the 3 connecting rods
>then add the ropes (which will prevent any slipout from the 3 connecting rods)
>then cut some rubber pads to rise the table just a few millimeters and help to reduce vibration
>then place the "wood" on top
>finally screw the wood in

the way i build always starts out so simple in my head and then when i actually do it, it always turns out i did not consider enough details and also make small mistakes but that's learning.

heh a smart dude would have just gotten two of these 🤣

>>315205
there's nothing wrong with your intelligence (I'm not mocking your intellignece) its just that if you ask other people for advice, you'll maybe get another point of vue maybe good advice would be given too do as you wish haha

>>315208
>its just that if you ask other people for advice, you'll maybe get another point of vue maybe good advice would be given too

you sound like a female. females proudly act like they only pretend not to be able to open the pickle jar but they really can't do a lot of things and need help constantly. real help, not theatrical i am trying to get attention from this man kind of help and i think that's pathetic, i don't respect the division of labour and i want no part of it.

good advice has been so rare in my life i just tend to disregard advice, besides most of the time advice is given, it is given for dirty backdoor reasons by people who aren't genuine. gaslighting, tricking, fooling, making fun of, taking advantage of and so on. people who act like they are nice and only want to help but behind their act they are full of evil, philantropaths. human ressource departments.

when i invent my own solutions, way less energy is spent on navigating the deceitful and abusive cultural system of communication which is downstream from interest rates and slavery as society is almost completely.

with 99% of advice being bad (either in quality or in intention) enduring the spam of all the bad advice just to get to the 1% of useful advice seems like something only someone would be in favor of who does not have the option to invent solutions.

i take my 50% probability of success selfmade solutions over your 1% 50% probability of success that is the result of social interaction any day and i look at you like you are dumb for even suggesting this.

tldr fuck your advice you retard.

>>315209
*i take my 50% probability of success selfmade solutions over your 1% probability of success solution

>>315209
I'm not a succubus tho

>>315211
You will be

>>315212
not at all

>>315211
>I'm not a succubus tho

then why do you believe in help, did you not went through male childhood and male adolescence?

>>315214
I just want to help my fellow wizard

>>315215
>I just want to help my fellow wizard

i see you don't understand your own actions. or you don't admit them. either way i don't believe you are the right person to give help but whatever, that's just my opinion.

I approve. If you build something yourself you can design it exactly how you want it and if it ever breaks you know how to fix it so you don't have to throw it away and get a new one. I would suggest using wood and common woodworking joints rather than these connector things though. People have been making furniture out of wood for a long time. It's a tried and true building material and modern tools make it very easy to work with. DIY is more expensive because you make mistakes and have to buy more stuff but it is also much more rewarding.

>>315219
>I would suggest using wood and common woodworking joints rather than these connector things though.

i've always wanted to use simple wooden dowels to connect wood, i already own wooden dowels in a few different sizes but i never found the right situation for them. i've been looking into woodworking for quite a few years now but never really made anything because
>i feel like to make something out of wood is a commitment and since i am only in the process of learning what i like, i don't want to waste good wood on my learning process of finding out what i like. i can't just disassemble the wood into 100% of the components and then build something else from it. you wouldn't believe how many times i already disassembled my furniture and i am glad i chose methods which allow this to happen because i feel like made progress at an increadible speed because of it
>wood is expensive
>i do have few tools but not really the ones that would be a great help of building wooden furniture. to make good use of wood i feel like i needed:
>>preferably a tablesaw but at the least a mitersaw which i don't have the space for). i do like my jigsaw but the cuts i do usually are usually disappointingly imprecise. a bandsaw would also be nice but i think like i could do without.
>>a drillpress because i still don't trust myself to make good holes in wood, though i have been getting better with my little battery-drill
>a planer. all i have is a little handheld plane the size of a matchbox that has replacable blades the size of old-style razorblades
>some kind of beltsander to quickly take some mm off of something. i recently acquired a portable battery-powered beltsander, it is very small, very loud but it does the job albeit not as strong as i would have hoped.

i would like to have these tools but i just don't have space, i live in a tiny one-room appartment that basically looks like a public library because i put in as much shelving as possible. maybe i have the good fortune of finding a nice place to live outside of this horrible crowded expensive city i am still being a fool for living in.

>>315219
>I would suggest using wood and common woodworking joints rather than these connector things though

the connector things are very much underrated because it gives access to tailored furniture for people who are far away from being able to build it any other way. i am sure most wizards who don't know how to build would find stuff in their place that they could use the rod+connector technology to improve something. very useful!

i used it to build a big 4m long clothing rod where i hang my clothes on hangers on and it is so elegantly simple and convenient and i could not think of another way of making this happen with my impenetrable walls that i did not succeed in drilling into to use wall anchors.

also there is this one corner in my appartment where 2 heaters block the entire corner and i could not build shelving there because of how little space there was. only recently i figured out that i can use rod+connector to build a load-bearing pillar that fits in between the mess of heaterpipes so i can make good use of the space above the heaters.

these are seriously good and i only use them like a beginner. they are basically scaffolding technology for dummies and i have already seen websites sell these rods+connectors in other sizes with even crazier connectors like this 6 way connector.

https://www.rohr-verbinder.de/collections/rohrverbinder-stahlrohrverbinder

this other site has connectors i don't even knew when i would use them.

the ones i use are for the diameter of 2,7cm

these unusual ones on this picture here are for rods of 4,2cm, that's huge, when i'd grab one of those rods, i could not even close my hands as in touch my thumb to my indexfinger around it. those are massive rods, no idea how heavy they are. mine are already so heavy.

i wouldn't know what to use these for. i appreciate them though. found them here:

https://www.rohrverbindershop.de/rohrverbinder/alle-rohrverbinder/durchmesser-42-4-mm/?p=6

>>315223
With a table saw, router, and drill you can make just about anything. If you don't have space look for a workshop that can let you use their stuff. There is a place in my city that will let you use their machines if you pay a membership fee and take some safety classes.
>>315224
All of these sorts of connectors will never be as solid though. You will always have some wobble. Wood you can cut a groove and glue it in and it's not gonna move. It just makes for a more solid, durable, and more aesthetically pleasing piece of furniture, and it allows for more freedom of design. It is true that it's a more permanent thing, but if it doesn't turn out good you can always burn it and start new.

>>315226

>look for a workshop that can let you use their stuff

there is one in my construction store where i could use all the tools for a ridiculous low price like 4€ for half an hour. but the people who work there are such assholes, they'd just harass me more. i have seen how they behave during covid and during inflation. they already pretend i am their friend just because i go there often but they are bad people, the kind of people who will do everything evil their boss tells them.

i have never seen anyone use this workshop ever. the thought of having to talk to one of these assholes who always want me to use their disgusting app which i am never going to do as long as i live, sign some contract, giving out personal information, sign some stupid insurance paper and agreeing to various terms of service only to be in this workshop where they don't leave me alone and instead bully, micromanage and annoy me with their safety garbage, while the ugly females who roam these stores gather at the windows to stare at me and take pictures, while the security cameras see the stupid females harass me which in turn makes the involuntary c.ell… employees there hate me even more because they are jealous of all the attention i am involuntarily drawing from the disgusting cows.

it is just a nightmare, you wouldn't understand. i can't go to normal places and do normal things.

>All of these sorts of connectors will never be as solid though. You will always have some wobble

you don't sound like you know what you are talking about. not as solid? are you dumb? you can chop through wood with axes and machettes, try that with a rod of solid steel. not iron, steel, the stuff that holds up skyscrapers.it is way more solid then wood. wood is toothpicks in comparison.

the wood is natural and tends to decompose outside where it is subject to the elements and termites.

>more aesthetically pleasing

too many females in this thread, this is all meaningless vanity consumer culture brainwash intended to attract men like me but i am not attracted to it. it creeps me out though, this obsession with superficiality.

>and it allows for more freedom of design

like what

>you can always burn it and start new.

the only way i could afford to act like that is if i knew i was going to use the furniture for a long time, which i believe to be a foolish way to live in current year. also you seem obsessed with material things to the points that your things might be artifacts to you. they are personified, you care for them because you hope to enhance your identity with it. i don't even believe in identity.

my furniture is functional, it serves specific purposes and if i find a way to serve the purpose better, i have no hesitation in deconstructing the furniture and rebuild it and i don't have to burn anything and only get new material that i really need.

i guess you enjoy the buying of things and like to do it over and over, hoping for anime-style social interaction and the acknowledgement of your identity along the way -_- that's vanity to me. i don't care for it.

how old are you?

>>315231
>how old are you?

bitch go to instagram. you are in the wrong place

>>315229
Holy crap you are dumb. Too much effort to try and set you straight and I know you would just spit in my face if I tried because you can't fix this type of stupid.

>>315235
>to try and set you straight

for the second time in this thread i ask: why, what is wrong with me?" but i don't wait for an answer that makes sense, that's not in your source code.

you do seem to imply there is something wrong with me but as is custom on this site of emotional idiots and pretenders, your insults will not be accompanied by substance.

big talker, you don't sound like you have it in you to be of valuable information and are thus inable to set anything straight. cause and effect will kick your lying ass every time. your theatrical conflict is meaningless. if someone paid for you to behave like that and start meaningless conflict on this site, they are not getting their money worth.

>>315237
you're too aggressive

>>315237
I mean you built a wobbly table and then proceeded to tell me off when I suggested ways you could build it better. You're talking about how steel is strong, but that shows a very facile understanding of the forces that are actually holding your desk together. In this case, the only thing is friction from the screws and there is wobble induced because the pieces need there to be some gap in them for you to fit them together. Tolerances won't be too tight or else customers would have a hard time getting them together. With wood the bonds can be formed by a number of methods, but the most common is wood glue which is a chemical bond that is much stronger depending on how you make it. Factors like surface area affect how strong it will be. A long joint is going to be very strong. If you do a dado you add more surface area as well as intrinsic mechanical support from the wood itself. In fact some joints if made properly don't even need glue because the angles of the joint apply pressure in such a way to lock everything together. Wood can be cut very precisely to fit together very tightly with no wobble at all.

Strength is a relative term that only applies to how the forces are engineered to be applied to all the materials you use. If you have a desk that is held together by a single screw, all the weight of the desk is now on a single tiny bit of metal. Even if metal is very strong that can still warp it and bend it. You can engineer stuff to better spread the forces with struts and stuff, some cross pieces would get you to something stable enough to be usable, but there will always be wobble from the method of joinery, unlike more solid wood joints.

>>315238
>too aggressive

but you have no relation to substance, how would you possibly understand what is enough and what is too much? you wouldn't because all you know how to do is play theater based on pre-determined cultural programs. you judge me based on standards you don't understand and thus lack the ability to defend. think things all the way through for a few decades before bothering me with your half-thought out, easily uprootable theater. i did not pay for a ticket, i am not going to pay for a ticket, i care not to be a guest in your theater because life is short and you are untalented.

>I mean you built a wobbly table and then proceeded to tell me off when I suggested ways you could build it better.

it's not built yet, first tests show that it is not going to be wobbly and your suggestions may have been meant in kindness but they were neither helpful, nor interesting, nor true so ultimately nothing but a failure from my perspective. so that's your first sentence already not passing the shake test.

i'll read the rest of your dumb scribble later but i can already tell you have not understood the situation so don't expect me to act like you did.

Educate yourself before making a post, OP. Low iq people like you are really confident because you're ignorant.

>>315241
>Educate yourself before making a post, OP. Low iq people like you are really confident because you're ignorant.

if that was true, wouldn't that mean that you had your feelings hurt by a low iq person? i guess your feelings are so weak, a person does not even have to be skilled to hurt them.

a baby can hurt you probably.

baby blows at a dandelion, stops for a second, gives you a dirty look, continues to blow, meanwhile you are getting a heart attack from the disrespect because as a puppet, you can never be more then what the people around you, signal to you that you are. externally controlled, like a remote control toy car for children.

you mean to tell me you are a human adult male? gtfo. instagram is where you belong.

wow what a colossal misfortune in personality you have chosen to become: both addicted to conflict and also so weak that a gust of wind can hurt you. your life must be a nightmare.

i wonder what these square style rods and connectors would be good for. i guess it could be handy that the connectors have straight surfaces that can lay flat on stuff without rocking, but since there are leg pieces, that doesn't seem too important at a first glance. i guess the connectors could be easily drilled through and mounted with screws, again i doubt this will be a big advantage since leg pieces exist.

i would expect square rods to be less strong then rounded rods. an egg is hard to break from the outside but easy to pierce from the inside and round rods benefits from the same principle.
but square might still be plenty strong.

the only real difference i can come up with is that square style can have slightly more adventurous builds with less worry about distributing every bit of load because the shape prevents the rod from turning downwards when a weight is weighing on it sideways.

>>315239
>You're talking about how steel is strong, but that shows a very facile understanding of the forces that are actually holding your desk together.

the primary force i work with is gravity.

>In this case, the only thing is friction from the screws and there is wobble induced because the pieces need there to be some gap in them for you to fit them together.

the screw does a good job in forcing the rod to one side inside a connector, i don't see how this necessarily leads to wobble when most of the force holding everything together is gravity. when i did the first builds with this system, i would orient every connection in a way that if the screw were to fail or loosen, the structure would have no chance of falling appart. i even tested this in vibration-heavy environments (in a car driving over cobblestone). over time this does introduce slack and wobble but this can be easily fixed with dampening and using different methods of fastening then screws. i once built an interesting experiment in a small space without screws where i stuffed rolled up rubber matting inside the connectors and just have the dampening hold together the perfectly sized rods in above-head height.

so far you are not carrying your weight and talking to you is very unfair.

>Tolerances won't be too tight or else customers would have a hard time getting them together.

they keep changing the production for the connectors and the quality varies, for testing the table i had one leg connector that did not even allow for enough space so a rod can fit in. luckily i had a metal file.

>With wood the bonds can be formed by a number of methods, but the most common is wood glue which is a chemical bond that is much stronger depending on how you make it.

i've watched glue joint strength test videos. dude built a computer controlled screw-advance contraption using a motor and gears, glued wood joints together and had the screw-mechanism press them on a scale with ever increasing force and read out the scale with the same raspberry pi that controlled the motor to advance the screw as to log the kg value at which the glue failed. dude did wood glue competition and compared different wood glues, woods and joints iirc.

>Factors like surface area affect how strong it will be. A long joint is going to be very strong. If you do a dado you add more surface area as well as intrinsic mechanical support from the wood itself. In fact some joints if made properly don't even need glue because the angles of the joint apply pressure in such a way to lock everything together.

reminds me of the japanese skilled artisan joinery.

>Wood can be cut very precisely to fit together very tightly with no wobble at all.

yeah sure but that doesn't mean i am victim to wobble in my way though. i have rubber, i have cotton ropes, i have felt. i still think you have unrealistic expectation of wobble, wobble can be reduced, prevented or dealt with and it is not the end of the level boss you make it out to be.

>Strength is a relative term that only applies to how the forces are engineered to be applied to all the materials you use. If you have a desk that is held together by a single screw, all the weight of the desk is now on a single tiny bit of metal.

not necessarily but i see what you are trying to communicate, you assume the worst case though and also inability to learn and evolve.

>Even if metal is very strong that can still warp it and bend it. You can engineer stuff to better spread the forces with struts and stuff, some cross pieces would get you to something stable enough to be usable, but there will always be wobble from the method of joinery, unlike more solid wood joints.

well talk all you want, i have methods to prevent, reduce and fix wobble and it is not a common problem.

wood is nice but you have to know exactly what you like or be fortunate to have wood to experiment with and waste. i could not even find a 100cm*100cm sized desktop, it would have required buying a way bigger one and cutting the excess off. or joining 2 or more boards.

no matter which way i would have chosen, it was always gonna be a lot of effort, mistakes and learning and with my method, at least i am not wasting material. i don't like to waste stuff. you wouldn't believe how little food i have wasted in my life. almost nothing. not enough to fill a trash can even.

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>it was always gonna be a lot of effort

lol this way of talking seems so dumb,using 'always' and 'never', i tried to talk in a way that the untalented emotional wood advocate who has something to prove in here can relate to, but it feels so undignified and dumb now i regret it. how would the hurt wood advocate know what is possible and what is impossible from his limited point of view and then how would i know. i've had lucky breaks, i found easy solutions to hard problems by accident and when i say "always" and "never" i disrespect this possibility of stumbeling over anomaly.

woodguy you were pretty dumb, i tried to carefully navigate around your feelings of inferiority towards me but i am not gonna do it anymore. you are gonna feel bad in life no matter what i do. talking to you that's like trying to dry a waterfall with a towel.

more low iq and ignorant garbage posts. Stop posting any time this is literally the is just low quality.

update on the table: turns out the screws i bought (20mm total length, torx) were not long enough because i did not account for the thickness of the rubbber but i'm not gonna buy newer screws, instead i am using thick bolts (in the size of M8 threading) that are slightly too long and as nuts i use M8 wingnuts. i do like using wingnuts because i can tighten them easy.

so the thick bolts don't stick out the top of the table (because i do drill though the wood completely) i will countersink them. first i drill a hole just so the long part of the screw can fit through and then with a bigger drillbit drill into the existing hole from the top just far enough so that the little head of the screw can be flush with the table.

i couldn't find all my drill bits and i am not sure i even own one that could do the job, so i didn't countersink the bolts, they are just sticking out over the table. i can do this later, probably will be too lazy to do it. for a long time.

the table is probably not winning a beauty contest but so far (after attaching the lower board) it is not wobbely at all, it is slightly foldy but the crossropes do a good job in holding it tight and i will twist the ropes so they form a double helix, increasing their tightness even further. outlook optimistic. this is gonna be a fine first table.

table is done, shake test passed. i wouldn't call it wobbely but when pressed hard, it behaves kind of like a suspension, very much like it. all of your tables are automatic and mine is manual. is a fine table and it is ok to be jealous, you are probably very jealous at this point because you watched anime while i built a table. may nobody speaketh ill of this honorable table or face the same illness himself!

damn feels good to have build a table.

bad news. pc doesn't fit.
the lower shelf has just enough distance for the to the upper level of the table so that my pc tower fits, but i did not account for the supporting rods underneath the boards so now i am missing ~3cm.

no big deal though, i just replace the 25cm rods from the 5th and 6th leg of the pc with 20cm rods (that i got left over from cutting the 100cm rods into 80cm rods legs #1-4).

this unfortunately means more rust proofing and this means i have to wait 1-2 more days until i can use it fully.

such is life for the diy builder. the instant ikea consumer would have been happily using his computer table for a week now while i am still not done.

OP will NEVER post pics of his table

i'm sitting at the table right now, try not to be jealous. i like it. i may have made it 5cm too high. i did this on purpose to make myself sit straight and not slouch. when i place my arms too long on the table, they start to stain a bit. i may have to shorten the legs 5cm but i keep it like that for a bit, see if it keeps being a bother or if it is just unfamiliar.

what bothers me is that the new (more sturdy) chair i specifically bought for the tablebuild is not soft enough and now my ass gets sore when i sit on the chair for too long. maybe i get used to it. maybe i place a little pillow on the chair.