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ryzen sucks so bad

>>316564
Is intel better?

>>316565

don't worry, intel is more expensive and heats up less, if you don't have money then ryzen is a normal option, it will heat up a little more, but globally the difference won't be big.

>>316564
They are mostly fine especially if you are on a budget.

>>316563
> AMD Ryzen 5 5600
>>316565
>>316566
>>316574
Ryzen's APU isn't adopted by really any software or game developer so compatibility is at the hands of AMD's drivers which frankly aren't making the cut. Windows alone trips over itself trying to assign different graphical operations to the APU so expect to frequently go in to Window's settings and specify that [i]"Yes, I would like this game or render to be calculated with my GPU and not the CPU". This is all especially bad when it stands that Ryzen's graphical powers are quite useless. My I7 has equally useless integrated graphics but at least I wouldn't know it unless I go in to the settings and force it to be used.
>intel is more expensive
Price per performance metric is lower overall on Intel but Intel just doesn't make hacked down models for budget builds. An Intel I7 from two generations ago will cost about the same as a current gen Ryzen while offering a much more robust performance profile from the hardware, and also have years of dedicated support from software devs who have been benchmarking with Intel for 30 years. As much as it would be cool for the cheaper CPU to perform on par with the industry leader, software developers just aren't making it happen and there have always been whispers that AMD isn't making it easy for them. The Phenom line were AMD's last true superior CPUs and I'm sure AMD can come back if they stop trying to integrate a sub-par GPU in to every new processor.

This isn't relevant though so much to OP because Ryzen is his only option. An Intel CPU would require a pricier Intel board which would draw more power, requiring a better PSU, etc.

>Storage: Oreton 256GB M.2 NVM SSD
I made this mistake. A 256gb drive becomes 110gb after Windows 10 is installed. Worse with Windows 11. Conventional SSDs are more expensive than M2s now but if it's in the budget soon I'd suggest upgrading to a board with 2 M2 slots, or throw in a 2tb HDD.
>Motherboard: Asus Prime A520M-K / Gigabyte A520mk
You'll need to provide your own WiFi adapter

OP please don't fall for the watercooler meme like in your picture. But remember to check classifieds and your eBay or your country's equivalent for used parts. Especially the PSU which at 450w is something you could pull out of an old office computer assuming it has the proper PCIe 8pin you need.

>>316566

I see, is switching to i5 instead of ryzen 5600 better?

>>316575
I see man, i definitely shouldn't invest on intel processors or else i need better parts which i probably can't afford.

>2 M2 slots, or throw in a 2tb HDD.
Wow, i guess i will buy the 2 tb hdd but I don't know much about pc's but do i have to remove my ssd or i can use both of them? And how much will it slow down performance since ssd's are much faster

>450w is something you could pull out of an old office computer assuming it has the proper PCIe 8pin you need.

Jfl, i heard 450w is enough in most cases but i think it has the proper PCIe 8pin so i probably don't need to worry about that

>>316578
>do i have to remove my ssd or i can use both of them?
You can use as many drives as your motherboard has SATA ports. A modern game setup would have the operating system, software, and your most played game on the M2. Other games and all of your music, anime, and pirated movies would be on either an SSD or HDD. But because M2s are now cheaper than SSDs, boards have multiple M2 slots. Just install Windows on the M2 and once done any drives you also have plugged in will be readable and writable like any other, unless they're brand new in which case Windows will format them for you.

>And how much will it slow down performance since ssd's are much faster
The speed difference of SSDs and M2 drives are marginal and it's at the point where they're bottlenecked on most systems by the RAM and CPU. That is to say they're incredibly fast and even the cheapest model is going to load your OS within seconds. HDDs, especially the cheaper high-capacity ones, aren't as fast but they're not slow either. Your games won't run any slower but loading screens may last 2 or 3 seconds longer. You'll also need to defrag them occasionally.

>>316577
>I see, is switching to i5 instead of ryzen 5600 better?
>I see man, i definitely shouldn't invest on intel processors or else i need better parts which i probably can't afford.
A multi-core i5 has comparable price and performance on paper, but it does go back to the fact that most games and software is still developed primarily for Intel. The previous socket LGA1700 is old enough that a lot of cheap boards have been made recently from reputable manufacturers.

Just for fun I built a PC on Amazon for $460USD
>MSI PRO H610M-G, socket LGA1700
>Intel Core i5 Core 12400F, 6 Core
>Thermaltake Smart 500W 80+ White
>Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB)
>Patriot P300 M.2 1tb M2
>XFX RX-580P8DFD6 Radeon RX 580 GTS
The extra $10 gets you a 1tb SSD, name brand RAM, an extra 50 watts, a beefier version of your GPU, and a solid Intel processor without an APU that you won't use.

I understand that shopping options may be limited in your country, and there's taxes and shipping and all that, but still it shows that an affordable gaming PC can be built with either AMD or Intel. If you still grab the cheaper version of the RX 580, you can upgrade to the GIGABYTE B760M DS3H DDR4 motherboard, which will let you add more RAM and PCIe cards later. Or you can buy a USB or PCIe WI-Fi adapter, because you'll still need one of those if you're not plugging directly in to your modem. Just keep asking around.

And don't even think about paying for Windows
https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts
100% flawless activation with one command and Microsoft is powerless to do anything about it.

>>316575
I haven't ever had a issue despite playing a very large variety of games.

>>316586
"It works on my machine"

For the money, I would do:
Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 3600, about $60 with cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte A320-S2H or B350 series, about $60
Graphics/AI Card: Titan X, about $110
RAM: 32GB Hynix, Micron, Samsung or some other cheap name brand 3200 MHz ECC memory. Gigabyte runs ECC in non ECC mode so you get twice the RAM for the same price. I literally just got a 32GB stick for $30.
SSD: 256GB is probably about $15 (Linux) and 1TB is about $50 (Windows).
PSU: Any of the 700W power supplies going for $35 on Amazon. Plus you can buy more clothes for your love doll now that you have free shipping.
Hard disks I'm counting as free because they're basically dumpster stuff at this point and everyone has some lying around from old computers.

So you're up to $300 for Linux and $335 for Windows and gaming. Or you can dual boot if you're not afraid of cross-contamination. Use https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/ to see what used hard disks are a good deal. At least 2 GB/s sequential and 60 MB/s for IOPS 4k. There are also benchmarks for GPUs and CPUs, but for the money, you will either want a 1700 (Only if you already have 2666 MHz RAM to use), a 2700, or a 3600. The Titan X gives you 12GB way cheaper than anything else other than having a separate datacenter GPU.

I would strongly recommend AM4 and AMD overall because of the long service life of the sockets. You don't have to upgrade motherboards nearly as often. You can upgrade this like 10 years later to a 5900 or whatever when the prices come down.

>>316580
whats this image? whats the hatsune miku thing? why your phone is so streached?

now that the new amd and new rtx 5000 series are officialy selling, does the previous graphic cards are cheaper now? (rtx 4000 series)

>>316667
can you explain to me please

>>316663
Not top gun advice here is why:
>AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Barely fit for office use
>Titan X
Is difficult to find used, was likely used for mining, and costs more than a tested used GTX1070 or even 1080 that exceeds it. OP doesn't need "AI cores" for anything.
>Any of the 700W power supplies going for $35 on Amazon
The PSU is the one thing that should NOT be cheaped out on. And at that price you'll be hard pressed to find one with the necessary 8+6 pin PCIE power, on account of the fact that sych a price range is reserved for school computers.
>I would strongly recommend AM4 and AMD overall because of the long service life of the sockets. You don't have to upgrade motherboards nearly as often. You can upgrade this like 10 years later to a 5900 or whatever when the prices come down.
But the upgrade options are inferior. As said earlier old Intel sockets such as LGA1151 are still supported by mainstream board manufacturers and the top-of-the-line i5s and lower i7s from then are much cheaper than less powerful cost-equivalent AMD CPUs. You're advocating for someone to buy a minivan for his moving business instead of a box truck because in 10 years he can go to the scrap yard and buy a new engine - all while new engines for the box truck will be available for cheap as new old stock. Plus you set him up with an inferior board boasting only 2 dimm slots and one M.2 slot.

>Linux
Shoehorning your commie art project OS in to a discussion about building gaming PCs is mild chuckle tier.

Every couple of years when new hardware comes out, I look into building a pc, then decide it's too expensive and then decide against it. I figure after 20 years of doing that, I have finally saved enough money from not building PCs all those years that I can now build a high end PC. I saw some post on reddit recently where a dude posted all his old parts and it was literally bins of e-garbage that must have cost tens of thousands of dollars.

My issue now is that the outlets in my room are not grounded, and I live in a heavily wooded area where we lose power and have power surges often which could fry my entire PC in the worst case scenario. It looks like a major pain in the ass to ground them. I need to pay for a permit, replace the wiring and the switch box for the outlet, then get a home inspector to come and inspect it.

>>316758
>I need to pay for a permit
>then get a home inspector to come and inspect it.
No you don't. Not doing either of those things isn't going to make your freshly grounded socket not work. Nobody from any dark and damp layer of the government is going to go in to your house, see a 3-pole grounded socket, and start asking if it's legal, registered, and inspected. No electrician is going to care either so if you want to pay for the install and box work with cash you can still have it done professionally and safely without worrying about permits.

It's really annoying that NVIDIA fucked up their stock with this new generation launch. They discontinued their old shit months ago and still don't have any new stock to sell. I was looking forward to playing stuff in VR without it being all blurry.

>>317034
Nividia themselves aren't manufacturing 3000 series and lower. Other manufacturers such as Asus, Zotac, and MSI still make those cards with some 2000 series being built for the budget market. Rolling WHQL drivers will continue to support these cards likely indefinitely as can be observed with GTX1000 series still getting bug fixes and optimizations in new driver releases.

I'm thinking of getting the ryzen 9700x for an itx build, wonder if it's a good part, I like the low power usage

I want to build a pc but dont know what to take. is 2000bucks enough for a good pc?

>>317049
good is completely subjective. It depends what you would like to use it for

>>317046
I recently got myself another 1080 mini card, can't beat the 1000 series

The only games I play are games like minecraft and all of the fallout games, sometimes some old DOS games too

For some reason some nvidia features in fallout 4 only work on 1000 series cards

>>317050
to play games mostly

>>317049
2000 is enough. This is a good budget build IMO. You can upgrade to 7900 XTX if you have the budget or one of the x3d CPUs. 1k PSU allows for upgrading to even 5090 in future.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v8vYQd

>>317055
did you made the pc for me in the link? also is amd better than nvidia 4000 series? is nvidia 4000 series less expensive now the 5000 series is out?

>>317055
Yeah, I made it. I just selected the best value parts I could find. You can see how the GPUs stack up against one another here:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

As you can see, 7900 XT beats a 4070 Ti Super, and 7900 XTX beats a 4080 Super. The one caveat is that you can't use DLSS with AMD GPUs, only FSR. DLSS 4 is pretty good from what I hear and it can take a decent framerate in a game and turn it really good for use with a high refresh monitor. If your monitor can't do 240 Hz or more it might be less useful though since it requires a high base framerate in order to use without causing artifacts or latency, so it can take a framerate of say 90 or 100 and turn it into 200 + depending on what settings you are using, but it won't be able to take a framerate of 30 and make it 120 without introducing artifacting. I think therefore raw performance is more important for most people so the AMD cards are currently the best you can buy. You can't buy 4000 series GPUs anymore because they've been discontinued and are out of stock to make way for the 5000 series, so at the moment this is the best you could build, but if you are willing to wait you should consider the 5000 series cards. They will become available to buy in the coming months.

>>317057
Im happy you made a pc for me, alone I couldnt do it, thank you. 5000 series is too much expensive. I don't want to pay half the price of the budget
weird never heard of the rtx 4080, is this good??
also, What I need to know is the compatibilities between the composants and I don't know who goes with who.do you know where can I find this kind of informations?

>>317057
Name one game that makes it worth going for DLSS or RTX for that matter

>>317060
pc partpicker has the compatibility of all parts and will automatically filter compatible parts for you based on what you select. Feel free to change the parts to better suit what you want. There are three main formats that parts come in. The biggest, most traditional is ATX. The medium size is called Micro ATX, and the smallest size is called mini ITX. If you want a smaller computer simply select a motherboard and case in either the micro ATX or mini ITX form factor. Mini ITX may be harder to build in for a beginner so I wouldn't recommend it. ATX is generally also the cheapest and you pay a price premium the smaller you go. The only other thing to double check is that your motherboard supports the CPU you want to use. Don't buy an intel motherboard to use with AMD CPUs for example. Most ram should work with either system but it's best to get one that has AMD EXPO if you intend to go with a ryzen CPU. You will also want to pick up a few extra case fans for better airflow and cooling.

>>317061
Skyrim VR with mods. DLSS 4 reportedly makes things much sharper

>>317062
do all the pieces have compatibilities inbetween them in a pre made pc you made for me?

>>317063
Lol no way in fuck I'm playing that old turd again

>>317066
Cyberpunk with luke ross's vr mod then. Pretty sure that actually supports DLSS instead of just DLAA in skyrim

>>317067
How good is cyberpunk, it sounded more like a buggy tech demo to market nvidia rtx instead of an actual game

>>317068
IDK, my current computer isn't powerful enough to play it so I am waiting until I can get a 5090 to play it. From what I hear all the technical issues at launch have been smoothed out and it's now pretty good though.

>>317069
I took a look at it a few years ago and decided not to play it after I saw that it doesn't use height maps or parallax textures, anything released past 2015 that has no parallax texture support is garbage to me

>>317068
5/10 linear shooter that pretends it's an open world rpg. The bugs aren't what makes the game bad to mediocre.

>>317070
well then I guess we're back to modded skyrim VR if you want parallax textures

These fuckers really did a whole GPU series release at the start of Chinese new year with only enough stock to cover the influencers on youtube. They haven't restocked once since the "launch". I had just barely enough money to buy a 5090 and finally enter the new era of VR escapism, but now I can't buy one and my funds are slowly dwindling day by day, meanwhile the cards are getting more expensive thanks to tariffs. All the 5090s got $200 more expensive at a minimum except for the Founder's edition.

>>317064
Yes, but you may want to choose a cheaper motherboard. I only chose that one because it was on sale at the time for like $50. There's no real reason to get that particular one other than cost which is no longer the case.

>>317126
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bGfxFT/msi-mag-x670e-tomahawk-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-mag-x670e-tomahawk-wifi
this one good? theres too much model, I don't know what they do (⁠;⁠ŏ⁠﹏⁠ŏ⁠)

>>317127
I'mma be real with you bro, if you're not gonna take the time to learn what any of this does, you shouldn't be building a PC. It's really not that complicated to learn, but if you don't want to, it makes far more sense to just buy a prebuilt computer than to try and build one yourself.

>>317129
indeed

>>317129
I second prebuilds.
If you know the basics of what stuff should cost and what's good then you can find decent deals and builds that will do what you want in a reasonable budget range.
Sure you won't likely get the very best of the best price compared to buying each part individually but it's nowhere near as bad as it was 15+ years ago when buying a prebuild meant getting totally suckered on the price.