No.316916
Until recently, surveillance functioned much like a modern panopticon, creating the illusion of constant observation. But with AI, we’re fast approaching a reality where it will be possible to genuinely monitor everyone, all the time.
It will become possible to instantly identify 'bad' behavior, and in some cases, even raise suspicion before it occurs. I use 'bad' in quotation marks because its definition is entirely shaped by those in power. Under the wrong circumstances, what’s considered 'bad' could be a personal opinion—or even an entire ethnicity.
Social media already allows a small group of powerful oligarchs to shape what people see—and by extension, what they believe. While propaganda has always existed, social media takes it to a new level, making it harder to recognize the source. Even worse, it's personalized, creating isolated groups with entirely different sets of information and viewpoints.
With the rise of AI, however, this influence will only grow. Not only will algorithms become more advanced in how they rank and recommend content, but they’ll also be able to generate fake content or messages, passing them off as organic.
I can’t predict the future, but I’d bet that the majority of people won’t even notice this shift. Most are tech-illiterate,and tech companies dominate the flow of information, which means any discussions about this will be limited and hard to find. It won’t be a secret, per se, but discussions about it will be few and far between. When those discussions do exist, they’ll likely be watered down to avoid sounding paranoid or extreme.
How does this make you feel emotionally? How would you react to it? The implications of this technology really bother me, but I know bringing it up in real life would likely make me seem paranoid, so I just keep it to myself.
No.316919
I think you should look into the details of how AI actually works instead of hype peddled by people selling shit.
The reality is extremely underwhelming once you actually understand the topic as it is in the real world.
Speculative fiction about what AI could be is usually made by people who don't know what they are talking about or are grifters.
No.316921
>>316919Well said.
OhPee:
AI is a high-speed matching and predictive algorithm. Nothing more. It is creatively extensive only insofar as the information that humans feed it. "Artificial intelligence" does not exist and will never exist. This notion of humans being able to create an all-intelligent autonomous thinking machine is proper only to the fiction of film. Humans cannot impart thinking consciousness to our creations (computers). Only God (whoever/whatever he/it is) can do this to his own. "Neural Networks" , "Machine Learning", these are all similarly marketing terms used to impress an air of unintelligible magic onto the credulous public mind (from whom scammers seek readily to make money). "AI", then, apart from grifting money from gullible investors, is about controlling information, isolating knowledge to filtered knowledge. Just type anything into (((Google))) and you will see that jews are already busy with implementing their predictive language algorithms as a way of presenting you with the politically correct answer at the very top of your search query.
No.316923
>>316919>>316921I very much agree with that in general. AI is basically a scam of a field. It is not really intelligent. However, i think it can already achieve what OP is talking about. You just need classic machine learning to perform something like sentiment analysis on people's online behaviour. It can be used to classify and score people based on whether they have desirable behaviour or not. The tech was ready 10 years ago, thought i perhaps wasnt scalable enough. It can filter out high-risk behaviour and then a human can check those blacklisted people, or certain automated actions can be done. It's not really that complicated. It's exactly the same as how machine learning is used for anomaly detection in security systems, how financial services flag suspicious behaviour in anti-moneylaundering systems, how tax agencies flag suspicious data, etc. I already experience this when i try to preserve my privacy online because i am bullied intensely in all sorts of sneaky ways if i dont use a normie browser with a residential IP and pay for things in a normie way
No.316943
>>316921>>316923Ai is currently at about Agi level, Agents are released: Ai can do jobs essentially, and is capable of PhD level science.
sad dude on sad website: its a umm a scam n stuff
No.316945
>>316943It could write better comments than you, i concede that at least. Maybe you could try to make an argument next time?
No.316953
>>316919>>316921I agree that it is currently massively overhyped. We are currently in a bubble and snake oil salesmen need to inflate what it can or will be able to do to not make venture capitalists realize they have been scammed.
Compressing the entirety of the internet with a transformer agorithm to create an interpolative database however DOES have its uses.
The main use case for average people is information retrieval. It is much better than a search engine at finding information that is vaguely requested in natural language and hallucinations are not a big problem if the topic isn't too niche.
It can, for example, be practical for surveillance cameras even if it misses a few events that should have been flagged and makes up a few more.
You won't be able to generate a youtube video with it any time soon, but you will be able to generate a human sounding comment, or with a specialized models, other types of content like photos of faces.
I agree that it is a scam, but I also think that it can and will be used to turn the modern day panopticon-like surveillance into truly oppressive monitoring of everyone.
No.317021
>>316943>he fell for the generative AI scammy guy there are plenty of dystopian applications for AI and ML that are already happening but AGI through elaborate chat bots ain't it
No.320805
Oof.
AI in current form may accidentally declare some bafoon to be the perfect example of a human being (rated by succubi)
No.320809
>How does this make you feel emotionally?
Meh
>How would you react to it?
idk
No use worrying about something you have no control over. We'll all die one day and none of these things will matter anymore.
No.320811
>>320805In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to learn a 190cm chubby bucko with some "adorkable" features would be a model man, heh
No.320934
>>316916>How does this make you feel emotionally? How would you react to it? The implications of this technology really bother me, but I know bringing it up in real life would likely make me seem paranoid,You're not the only one feeling this, everyone is self-policing and keeping their gaze down.
Every lifeform invents AI and then goes poof in the collective choir of an apocalyptic schizo-material paroxysm. Like a flower.
No.321517
>>316916AND NOT CONSULTING WIZARDS ON HOW TO CIRCUMVENT THE ISSUES THAT LEAD TO THE SUSPICIONS
not taking people's willingness to not cause trouble
No.321518
>>321517…into account
so top-of-the-world, honestly
No.322317
>>316916Jokes on you, "Serial Experiments Lain" have already predicted the world with Internet addiction among children to be a massive stinking dystopia.
And the 19E7-19E8 U55R have shown the 5pe(14l f0rces of th1s or that CWNTtry can 60 oversensitive 5u/\/\tim3s.
No.322323
I just realized that anti-AI sentiment can be used as justification to remove free and open source assets from public hosting. There is a group of liberal leaning scholars, artists, hoarders etc who believe in uploading their work and resources on the internet for free. So things like historical documents, nature footage, technical manuals for example are made freely available because their uploaders believe it helps advance scholarship and culture. These resources are then, as we know, are used for AI learning. Guess where the biggest blowback against AI comes from? The liberal left that believes in making things free. Welcome to the new internet where everything is paywalled or private. I wouldn't be surprised if the government and silicon valley is fueling both pro and anti AI discourses online. We are going to get the worst of both worlds.
No.322324
LLMs are very powerful tools but i dont think anyone can accurately predict what's going to happen next at all. So much has changed so fast even before neural networks were a thing. The internet was already destabilising society somewhat. I dunno.
Maybe things are about to get way better. Maybe the first world is about to collapse for reasons totally unrelated to LLMs. Whos to say?
And please stop calling it AI.
LLMs are a type neural network.
No.322326
I honestly think that the internet has been a net negative once you account for the shredded dysgenic fertility and amassed amount of effort and time wasted on trivial pursuits.
I honestly think that if computers never developed beyond a CLI, and GUI were restricted from being developed, the world would've been a lot better. You'd still have production gains in industry from better organization, but you wouldn't have had any of the deleterious effects from the internet.
The bread and butter industries of steel, coal and oil are still the most important, and of course decent human capital. I do think as time goes on, we'll realize that the analogue world is just so much more important than manipulating symbols on a screen.
The internet undermines dictatorships as people just want to be doomscrolling and on their gooncave. Even fucking China has this problem of people becoming slaves to gacha games and internet gossip. They simply cannot make them give it up and have 3+ kids each for the good of the motherland anymore, even North Korea is struggling on that front.
No.322327
>>322326>They simply cannot make them give it up and have 3+ kids each for the good of the motherland anymoreGood.
No.322328
>>322326it becomes harder and harder to deny the doomsayers with "The End is Nigh" signs. Usually the response is something like, "human nature repeats itself and people have always felt this way about their relative time in history.. so chill out it's not the end of the world". But we really have no comparison to the level of technological influence on our psyches and society as a whole. So much hate and evil spreads through the internet and hosts a vile amount of addictive shit. Just yesterday i was victim to the troll attack on this site and saw things that i can never unsee, and it was really painful and absolutely ruined my day. i remember being a teen in the 2000s with the shock site era and my entire life has been inundated by internet porn so nothing is pure and sacred anymore, i've been exposed to corruption from it my whole life basically. Still have some memories of the analog days but for me it's just a tiny nostalgic phase of my childhood and i can't really imagine operating in that world as an adult, but it does seem more peaceful. Today there is just too much chaos in your face 24/7 and i can only see it getting more pervasive. I've pretty much let go, to just let the world do its thing and try to insulate myself as much as possible + contribute as little as possible, so it's not like I have a vested interest anymore but damn it's depressing.
No.322334
>>322323> I just realized that anti-AI sentiment can be used as justification to remove free and open source assets from public hosting. There is a group of liberal leaning scholars, artists, hoarders etc who believe in uploading their work and resources on the internet for free. So things like historical documents, nature footage, technical manuals for example are made freely available because their uploaders believe it helps advance scholarship and culture. These resources are then, as we know, are used for AI learning. Guess where the biggest blowback against AI comes from? The liberal left that believes in making things free. Welcome to the new internet where everything is paywalled or private. I wouldn't be surprised if the government and silicon valley is fueling both pro and anti AI discourses online. We are going to get the worst of both worlds.you doofus, you juss jinxed it
No.322335
>>322326>I honestly think that the internet has been a net negative once you account for the shredded dysgenic fertility and amassed amount of effort and time wasted on trivial pursuits.
Ahahah, you're not alone!
The Internet is compared to the washing machine (there is a video on YouTube about it):
Washing machine: saves hours of life daily, no need to use washing board for hours. It's easy to use, almost "just push play" easy to use.
The Internet: Sure, saves lotsa time here, yet it also siphons, "vampires" a lot of time with notifications, updates, etc.
AND THE WINNER IS: WASHING MACHINE
(a century-old invention, mind you)
And don't get me started how freezers save our time also.
No.322336
>>322326>I honestly think that if computers never developed beyond a CLI, and GUI were restricted from being developed, the world would've been a lot better. You'd still have production gains in industry from better organization, but you wouldn't have had any of the deleterious effects from the internet. And then, saome 1337 h4><><0rz developed GUI-like contraptions out of ASCII art. Woudn't work.
No.322337
>>322326>The internet undermines dictatorships as people just want to be doomscrolling and on their gooncave. Even fucking China has this problem of people becoming slaves to gacha games and internet gossip. They simply cannot make them give it up and have 3+ kids each for the good of the motherland anymore, even North Korea is struggling on that front.Urbanization is known to ruin fertility, AFAIK
>>322327>Good.Hindu country bumpkin guys as hired workforce working for the Chinese refined metropolitan-cultured guys, with a chance to stop being a *haha fecal matter goes brrrrrt* for everyone. Not bad.