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They don't. I havent been able to enjoy consumption of media in years.

>>319575
>They don't have any other hobbies
>>>/hob/ 100 other hobbies a NEET may have

>>319580
The least active board on here.
>>319581
Language learning can be tedious especially if you're not a fast learner like my self but the feeling of accomplishment and noticeable improvement is always awesome, for me it's no different than learning how to play a complex Paradox interactive game to be able to play it properly and enjoy it.

>>319583
Fair, fair, good post.

Because certain pieces of media are the only thing that will tell a man he can be great these days.

>>319582
>The least active board on here.
It's faster than /games/ and /music/, so OP has less clause to suggest music and streamers as outlets over other hobbies

i used to spend my time studying different forms of art and reading books. I was really into poetry for a bit.
Anyways im a useless neet. i get prone to depression and i give up on things. its easier to just exist.

>>319601
Why are you studying different forms of art? To express your emotions? Seems kind of gay

Not exactly the same, but lately, I do keep wondering about myself, "why do I spend all of my time mindlessly consuming trash?" If I spent even half of that time instead on trying to create or learn ANYTHING then maybe I'd enjoy life at least a little more. Maybe. Maybe not, I don't really know.

I keep thinking, "instead of loading up a list of dumb youtube videos to stare at" or "instead of loading up a dozen tabs of dumb 4chan threads to get mad at", and then used that time to write a story or something. Created a lame neocities page or something. Made my own dumb youtube video or something. Tried to pick up some hobby I've never considered before or something. Hell, I have a stack of books on the floor near my computer. Every day I think "I'm going to read one of these today". Maybe if I actually DID read one. It's still just consuming, but it's almost guaranteed to prove more valuable consuming one of those books than consuming youtube videos and forum posts.

I know that nothing I create or produce will be any good. Probably no better than the videos and forums I criticize above. But inevitably I'd get a little better.

Logically, being productive rather than consumptive will make life a little more interesting; more accurately, life will have more POTENTIAL to be a little more interesting.
Here's my logic: if consuming media is looking out a window, then all you experience is what happens to be outside of said window. Sometimes some truly amazing and revolutionary things will be visible out that window. But, most likely, you'll be seeing the exact same view, day after day, becoming accustomed to the scenery, the limited range of possible occurrences losing their novelty gradually as the years go by, until you're an old man and even the most animated and dynamic events outside your window bear no more amusement, enjoyment, or value than a static photograph of a brick wall.

I consider creativity and/or productivity to be akin to building more windows. Each window has a different perspective than any other window. Even if only slightly. Trying out a new hobby or something is like putting a window on another side of your home, or in another room, or on another floor. Simply having ONE MORE WINDOW increases your range of possible experiences by 100%.

But even if I believe in that allegory with all my heart, I still don't do anything worthwhile.

>>319629
It's okay to suck at some thing and be good at others. If you can't do one thing or it doesn't engage you, try something different.
For example, I like to mess around in Photoshop to create collages of my waifu. You know, this aesthetic stuff with various images and hearts that you see on pinterest. It's silly but it's low pressure and fun. Besides, I create something and then use it as my phone wallpaper, so it's productive… I guess? And when you do that, you can branch out and start using Photoshop for different creative reasons. I already know how to use some apps like that because I draw, but you can try too.
Another low pressure thing I do is knitting. You say: GAY! And yeah, it's kinda gay, but I can watch YouTube or anime while I knit so I do two things at once and it's still doing something.
Anyway, my point is, try doing a lot of things and see what sticks. Books are boring? Then why the fuck are you reading them? Try doing something different. Like listening to classical music and learning about it.

I've been wanting to learn to draw for 10 years now and still haven't started.

I think I figured out why.

1. As a kid I felt no pressure to succeed or compare myself to others. I didn't even think about time. I could spend a whole day just doodling in mspaint with no intention to post the results anywhere. But after turning 20, it sounds stupid now in my 30s, I started to compare myself to others and feel this pressure to succeed. Which made me stressed and afraid to waste time which counterproductively made me waste all my time on imageboards because that felt like an activity I could quit at any moment. I've seen others complain about similar. They will spend hours trying to pick the best movie to watch when they could have just watched whatever in that time.

2. I have no confidence: There is nothing about myself to feel good about. So when I try to learn a new skill and get confronted with the difficulty of it and perhaps with people my age or younger who are already good at it when I look for advice I feel inferior. My frustration tolerance is really low. Any setback and I spiral into self-hate.

I don't know a good solution for it. It just gets worse the older I get and the worse it feels to have no skills. I think I need to clumb this steep hill and toughen it out until I get good enough to not feel bad about myself anymore. I'm at a point where I don't have any distractions anymore. I don't enjoy browsing the internet anymore. Don't care about video games. Don't watch tv shows. Kinda have no other choice but to start doing something meaningful.

>>319575
>spend your free time to learn another language?
there are plenty of low cost hobbies to master, but language isn't one of them. Unless you move to that country and speak and read it every living moment you aren't going to master it like someone who was raised with it. Learning how to draw Chinese figures is fun, but don't expect to be fluent in the spoken work. In fact the very nature of practicing language means you have to be social. Where do you think you are posting?

>>319575
Because all hobbies are boring all i enjoy is playing videogames, watching porn and mindless scrolling.
Also unfortunately i'm not a NEET anymore and i wish i was still one.
I hate working and people so fucking much.

I sometimes do this with japanese but you still have to put in a lot of effort if you want to understand. Consuming media is just a lot more fun. You can make learning fun but it will always require discipline and be less fun than just playing a video game you like. If you have a super power to learn any language in an instant you wouldn't learn Russian from scratch for the fun of it but there are people who replay games they already beaten or give themselves difficult restriction because the gaming process is fun in itself. That said I should really stop. I have a very addictive personality and when I get too engrossed in games or social media shitposting it makes me so excited I can't even sleep and I feel like shit until I wake up late tomorrow to get on my computer again.

>>319629
I think this is romanticization. Learning new things will always take a lot of grinding. It definitely won't feel pleasurable. Maybe there are savants out there who are born to just do one thing and feel immense pleasure and motivation doing things that other people have to force themselves to do. We are likely not those kind of people. If you want to be able to draw or be good at math or sports that requires a lot of hours tediously sketching and doing practice drills.

>>319630
I have moment like this too where I learn to do things without having to expend any effort because the motivation just comes naturally. Making porn edits or editing skyrim mods are things that I can just sit for hours trying to do and not notice the hours go by. But this form of motivation is limited. If I want to be actually good at photoshops or video editing I can't do that from just making the edits I want, I have to start looking up boring tutorials and practicing. You might say what's the problem with not being good. Well I am assuming since this is a thread about NEET we want to learn useful skills to break free of our condition. If people don't care about work or society then I don't know why they would care about productivity. They can just continue doing what they are doing.

>>319575
making stuff takes 10000x more effort and is not even as rewarding as consuming.

The whole "creativity and learning stuff is fun!" is another feel-good lie.

>>319832
idk I think it depends on the person
many artists and creators say they started creating their own stuff at a very early age because consuming was not enough
I myself don't understand it though, I've always been fine just consuming

>>319832
I disagree.
Making stuff is legitimatly fun to me. Same with autistically getting better at a special interest as the real world fades away in the background for hours at a time.
Being deep in my own world is better than being in someone else's, though any fantasy world is better than the real world.

>>319834
Exceptions don't change the fact that for most people creating is unsatisfying.

People with time usually spend their time with something they like, as in a hobby, certain way of media consumption can be considered hobby.

I don't know. I'm kinda bored with just consuming. I started writing fanfiction not so long ago, and even though my writing sucks balls, it's kinda enjoyable to write about the worlds I like.

>>319575
fuck off
https://voca.ro/1kp8uqLSmLCt

>>319862
There is no energy to your plucking. It sounds as if you are trying to play quietly. Your fingers are ramen noodles. Vocaroo attaches your IP address to uploads and anyone can inspect the element to find it out.

>>319863
you invented a retarded excuse to not demonstrate yourself playing better

>>319864
People critiquing your work is not because they're insecure about their own abilities.

>>319872
cringe

Ok answer me this one thing NEETS. Yes work is alienating in a Marxist or Anarchist sense, but so is not working right?

Because almost everyone else appears to be in employment or training during most of the week which feels very alienating and distressing.

I go for a walk to the town centre during the weekday and it's a ghost town except for the losers like me who aren't working.

The world tried to turn me into a tortured artist, I decided not to reward the world.

>>319896
Alienation in marxist sense is more like you aren't fully exploring your potential, and wasting your time doing something beside you search for self fulfillment, in theory NEETs have the freedom to pursue his self fulfillment

All that other hobby shit you mentioned just doesn't do it for me. Gaming is the only form of entertainment that still brings me joy as a lifelong NEET.
Hell, I was even looking to buy a Switch 2 but they're sold out where I live. Might have to wait a few more months.

>>319963
Same, and I'm not a NEET.
I like games because they have a clearly defined goal, or at least a set of rules or mechanics that limit what you can do. I guess I'm more of a follower than a leader. I can't even lead my own life, but I'll happily do what the game tells me.

>>319963
what game do you play?

Because it's fun? Literally the only reason you cared to learn Russian is because you had an interest in it. Ain't no way someone's gonna pick up a pursuit as pointless as that because someone just told them to.
There is genuinely nothing to life but idle fancies and soulless mechanical survival. If you don't have interests your entire life will never contain anything but maintenance. At least almost any fool can find value in art so no matter how empty your insides are you'll probably still get a kick out of playing or watching something. Taking pride in having interests and taking the absolute easiest possible course of action through pursuing them is such a nothing. Whatever inflates the self image.

Anyway, it's writing and making music for me.