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Causing suffering

>>320994
>Causing suffering
Willingly, freely and without necessity.

I would add also inventing destructive games.

Evil is whatever I am emotionally disgusted by. I don't care about rational or dogmatic ethics. That's just emotional blackmail by normies to advance their own benefits.

>>320997
>Evil is whatever I am emotionally disgusted by.
Interesting perspective, so only things that you can emotionally sense can be evil?

Can abstract things that cause people to make each other suffer at a large scale be evil?

>>320998
No but only things that you can sense emotionally are real. Anything else is flair. If you have to rely on long philosophical or logical discourse to declare something is wrong that you are essentially brainwashing yourself. Good and evil is just human ability for higher abstract thinking being applied to primitive animal instincts. Good is your dog protecting you because it sees you as member of its pack. Evil is a predator preying on your babies. Animals don't need to argue what is good or evil for that, it's an instinctive emotional response to what happens to them or animals around them in nature. If you feel moved or happy, something is good. If you're upset then it's evil. Humans just come up with the intellectual justification for their emotions because they believe themselves better than animals.

Imposition and >>320994

>>320999
What about people rumor milling and "gaming" gossip?

What if someone borrowed existing but fake archetypes and lied, raising a lynch mob against an innocent wiz?

Everyone killing the wiz feels they're doing good according to their senses. They have killed the story "predator".

Now what?

>>320997
>That's just emotional blackmail by normies to advance their own benefits.
Is deliberately doing this evil?

>>321001
If you feel bad then it's bad for you. If other people feel good then it's good for them. Emotional means it's all subjective and relative.

>>320993
When I think of "evil" it mostly brings to mind the rhetoric of angel and devil words. It speaks more of what the rhetorician in question wants to vilify than anything else. And moreover people who speak on "evil" almost always seem to be implicitly stained by Christianity or utilitarian unseriousness about the "greater good"
>>320997
Basically this

>>321024
So what you are saying is there is good and bad and they are subjective to the individual.

>>321026
You are saying that "evil" is a myth. "evil" doesn't exist.

>>321055
Yeah, but despite being subjective there is most likely a great deal of overlap of what the vast majority of people consider good or bad especially now in our culturally homogenous globalized world and this can give some people the illusion of objectivity.

>what does evil mean to you?
What does contrarianism mean to you?

>>321055
>You are saying that "evil" is a myth. "evil" doesn't exist.
I am saying that you are gay

>>321065
>I am saying that you are gay
Now, we both know that's entirely subjective however I argue there is such a thing as an objective truth — your fakeness and gayness for example.

>>320997
>I don't care about rational or dogmatic ethics. That's just emotional blackmail by normies to advance their own benefits.
What if there is one topic you feel right about and no one understands you.

What do you do then?

>>321098
You are asking what if I have a controversial moral belief? I don't need other to understand me. I'll keep my beliefs to myself and stay out of trouble.

Evil is causing suffering for no apparent motive besides their own satisfaction. This includes relativising the golden rule of not doing to others what you would’t want done to yourself, using excuses to seem like you’re not doing this only for your satisfaction.
Feeding and caressing a cat just to choke it to death moments after. Robbing someone at gunpoint. Telling a boy they’re a succubus until they accept it as truth. Abolishing the gold standard.

>>321262
>Evil is causing suffering for no apparent motive besides their own satisfaction.
That's called spite and there is a lot of it in media and social media.

Believe or not, there are people that want to cause suffering for no reason without enjoying it themselves.

>This includes relativising the golden rule of not doing to others what you would’t want done to yourself, using excuses to seem like you’re not doing this only for your satisfaction.
And they're self-aware.

>>321262
But can you demonstrate that suffering is evil?

How do you define it?
I'm not a materialist so my views may differ from other wizards.

>metaphysical evil, evil in the eyes of the symbolic Father
Disobedience, daring to attain freedom and to live by one's own rule. To alter, improve or worsen, to doubt and investigate reality, existence, to try to avoid the project of mankind's domestication, or to hack Karma, to lift the veil and so forth. The symbolic/metaphysical Father, Logos or the major intellect behind the so called reality couldn't give less of a fuck about the most abhrorrent and excruciating injustice inflicted upon us, brutalities of any sort practiced against the most vulnerable and pure innocent life existent in this world. As long as it doesn't challenge it's majesty, it truly doesn't give a shit. It's the principle of authority that only sees evil in rebellion or simply trying to make things easier, since this could only emanate vertically and never horizontally by the eyes of God or Gods. That symbol is replicated to the instances of power in society, from the top-heavy institutions to domestic authority, such as parents, teachers and any type of collective gathering for that matter.

>evil in the eyes of mankind
It begins with the very existence of aversive sensations as a necessary mechanism inherent to the physical body and nature. The very fact that we NEED to feel bad to survive, from physical pain to subjective negative sensations, demonstrates that physical existence itself is rigged to function as a perpetual torture device. Everything from this point is evil incarnated, except for our attempts to shut this mechanism down, through everything pleasurable and elevated made by mankind's efforts, which is by definition, Rebellion. The very beauty we see in things, including in our tragery, the purpose that we see in those things, are undeniable proofs that we are infinitely more virtuous and merciful than the very principle that originated existence. Given that even a child can and will imagine a perfect world made of chocolate and strawberries, with fields full of immortal puppies, while the "wise" principle of Cosmos couldn't figure the possibility a reality absent of pain, shit, gore and grotesque disease.

>>321268
You can smell the umami

>>321270
Imagine fapping with this

>>321268
>demonstrate that suffering is evil?
Suffering itself isn't evil. Its causing it that is evil.
Also, how can we demonstrate that anything is evil if evil is a term constructed by society to mean many things? We're here discussing exactly what is considered evil, so we can't demonstrate that something is evil until we decide on a definition of evil itself.

>>321270
looks shopped, like those trypohobia pics

what kind of disease izzat?