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The second reason is the coalition between western feminist succubi and non-whites for advancing redistributive policies has ended, it has quietly ended. In the 2010s in corporate offices, you seen ambitious career succubi and non-whites had an alliance and a material interests in advancing DEI policies. There was a larger white male share of the pie for both non-whites and western succubi to feast upon. The support for redistributive policies requires the hardening of grievances of all involved to get sufficient numbers, so they never commented on or criticized one another. Both focused on what was, at that time, a perceived mutual enemy, white men. After Covid, that ended, it ended because the white male share of the pie has declined so much that western succubi are now next on the line. Non-white corporate and political nepotism can overcome the feminist cries of "sexist", but western succubi are still vulnerable to cries of "racism". Western succubi are also atomized themselves to an extent, and facing a whole mobilized racial bloc, and must know they could be potentially crushed. I do believe western succubi are seeing the non-white threat to their material wellbeing now, and are disincentivized from fueling the DEI politics. From the other end, non-whites are more willing to push against things like #MeToo and western feminist standards in the workplace, as they have the numbers now and it's their culture to treat succubi a certain way. Potential Harvey Weinsteins are being replaced by Indian doctors and foreign nursing home workers in their thousands sexually harassing people. And of course nons close ranks around their own. It's becoming harder for feminists to enforce feminist norms in the workplace.

The third reason is that there's simply a cafeteria assortment of traditional cultural structures for western men to choose from now, if they want more traditional succubi. Back when you wrote Sexual Utopia in Power, and back in the early days of the sexual revolution, there wasn't that choice in a meaningful quantity to have a social impact. Western men had to take the raw deal that was on offer or be alone. You even advised young men to "learn an Eastern European language" as you recognized they were searching for and deserving of a better deal. it's becoming more that western whites are being dragged towards traditional social structures than the opposite. The western feminist doesn't actually want to give up her privileges and go with the foreign. For all the past feminist teasing about how white men are sexually jealous of them being with others, the alternative to white westerners is just so much worse for western succubi. The young western succubus is increasingly facing heavy sexual competition from non-white succubi from less assimilated foreign cultures, who do behave feminine, who are to an extent white worshipping still in a lot of ways. And she necessarily has to adapt to the sexual threat by mimicry, she finds herself becoming more feminine. What was once the effort of getting a mail order bride, or finding 1/1000 in your city, is now an open option for young men. The next generation is sitting across from this open option at school and work. To the extent that mixing is happening, it's increasingly resembling a dragging of the feminist west towards traditional gender roles instead of the opposite. We are very used to seeing it play out as the opposite with non-whites leaving their culture for ours because that's how it played out in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, etc. But the flip in how assimilation works may have already happened.

The forth reason being the massive sheer quantity of debt and necessity of austerity in every western country is chipping away at succubi's economic status. The patronized government jobs that have artificially lifted succubi up materially and economically are becoming more scarce as the cuts set in, and as the cuts happen, they'll face battles with ethnic minorities to keep those jobs. Welfare is also looking more precarious as they're battling pensioners, who are likewise pigheaded about their gibs. I've talked to non-white migrants that have settled in western countries, and they almost universally react with absolute disgust towards our tolerance of single mothers everywhere getting absurd amounts of money. Indians, Indonesians, Arabs, etc. They are paying western tax, and the second they find out that succubi divorcing their husbands are making the same on welfare as what UberEats Indians are making at work, they immediately start thinking "Well why not us too? Why don't us working men get hundreds of dollars a week?". I remember being around a foreign non-white migrant when the visa laws changed and he couldn't get residency in this country. On the day of the announcement he started yelling and venting about how single mothers are everywhere in the west getting so much more money than so many hard workers like him, how hard workers like him are given the raw deal, how westerners are lazy, and how it isn't fair. There is real resentment and anger towards it, and there's millions of them now here and voting. Indians and other non-white migrants want to extend those welfare benefits to themselves and their families, and remove the feminist/succubus bias in how they're paid out. The more egregious parts of the sexual revolution are predicated on the ability to divorce and dispose of the husband, and get the husband to pay for the wife still, and the sheer quantity of welfare going to single mothers giving a comfortable lifestyle. If that ends, and being a single mother becomes fiscally dangerous, and they become reliant on charity, then the sexual revolution backslides instantly. 

Non-white migrants also look at fear at the same broken families and social dysfunction they see in the west infecting them. Their romantic mythology as to why they're able to replace us is because they're harder workers, with stronger families, and a better culture. If you actually listen to what many of them say, they say it's our single motherhood and divorce rates that reveal we're weak and lazy, that we're culturally inferior to them, and that set replacement migration in motion. They have an incentive to end the temptation of their own people falling victim to the sexual revolution and feminism. It's actually an existential threat in many of their eyes.

My personal anecdotal experience with the world is that this decline of feminism is happening. I don't see the next generation of succubi coming up doing the callous "I hate white men" statements I heard so much through the 2010s. That seemed to peak with the Millennial generation, and decline with the Zoomers, especially young Zoomers. I think Covid, BLM and the abortion law changes in the US were all blips that disguised a general trend. Yet apparently the polling consistently shows that succubi are becoming more radicalized in feminism, more left leaning, more politically radicalized on the left. That's said, and it's repetitively said, and the polls do show it, and it does throw a wrench in my theory. But for all the talk of the crabosphere/far right politics/manosphere politics being apparently due to men failing in the modern world, not finding their place, and not handling a social backsliding, can the political radicalization of western succubi match that theory? Their doubling down and hardening into the political left is because they do witness their declining privileges and social power, and are reflexively leaning into what historically gave them more power. As the new reality sets in, maybe that will dissipate away very rapidly and western succubi will find a home on the political right. 

A final point is that the places that have the most radical form of feminism still, with the 4B movement, are actually in East Asia, in places like South Korea. They actually still wield significant power and it's not declining like feminist power is in the west. I believe that's because the racial dynamic hasn't thrown off the gender tensions over there as there's less replacement migration. South Koreans are still racially supremacist culturally, and they import non-Koreans to work jobs and then deport them when their time is up, similar to the gulf states. Everywhere western with mass non-white migration seems to be expressing the same feminist decline I've laid out above.

I'm not a fan of Roger Devlin, but his academic book is on the same topic I did my MA thesis on, and one of my main sources, namely Kojeve and the end of history. I guess you can see how some Kojevian concepts of a post-historic world without the masterly values of conflict flows into his political work.

>>322507
>I don't see the next generation of succubi coming up doing the callous "I hate white men" statements I heard so much through the 2010s.
The only difference now is they say they hate all men since they have enough of a body count to have experienced sleeping with the chads of all ethnicities.

>>322512
Right, but there's more to life than casual sex. Even if you assume the roastie crab shit is all true (I have no idea, I'm not privy to peope's sex life), people are still worried about their careers, one day having children, whether their nieces and nephews will be safe at school, their own physical safety, their economic safety, etc.

I do think the age of western feminism is reaching its twilight. Already in Germany you're having succubi covering themselves before going on the subway to avoid harassment from the rapeape merkelmen.

if feminism is really over, why does Gen Z have more crab men than ever? The end of Feminism would mean every crab gets a gf.

If anything Gen X and Millennials, politics aside, had a more normal dating life. If 2006 was "Sexual Utopia in Power", Tinder is a Sexual Dystopia with 90% of men in a Kafkaesque hell. Even Barron Trump, 7 foot tall blond, son of a billionaire and President, is obsessed with Andrew Tate teaching him how bitches are all out to wreck him.

i used to lurk in mens rights forums 20 years back. One theory kicked around stuck w/ me, was:

succubi rant about stuff like handmaids tale, bein forced to sit and shut up and do nothin but pop out babies, O No it would be Terrible!

But, succubi actually, its like a secret fantasy of theirs, is to be in said position.

They know western white dudes would never do it. So, they helped sub consciously destroy where they live to end up in a society looks like above.


And, all theories 20+ years back, western society would start to look like a harem society. 10 to 20 succubi to one dude, completely played out. i predict , if no WW3 takes place. in next 5 to 10 years, western succubi will movie to legalize where up to 10 succubi could be married to a top 15%, looks wise, dude. And, society / media / social media will spin to normalize it. And bottom 50% of men will be demonized even more than are already

>>322516
I disagree. Sexual fantasies are sexual fantasies. But what was written in "The Manipulated Man" is much more accurate. succubi are just relatively indifferent to men and if their material needs are met, are very happy to live without them. They can only love their children unconditionally, never their partner. They instinctively regard men as workhorses and slaves that are to do things for them, not the other way around. They still have sexual desires for submission, and are alienated a bit from their natural gender role, which makes it come back up in a fetishized form like with the Handmaid's Tale. But they still do prefer things the way they've been.

The actual happy state for succubus is the single motherhood with patronized welfare gibs. I grew up under that and my entire friendship circle was the children of boomer and Gen X succubi that had that. They were very well off financially and very chuffed with their freedom. These were white educated succubi who did so, the non-white succubi who did the divorce shit ended up genuinely poor. They got to keep the house after the divorce, which was mortgage free, they got a LOT in welfare, and they around watching TV and doing gardening all day. It was like middle class NEETbux for them. It absolutely would be what a middle class lifestyle today is.

The feminist ideal after that was socialized childcare, that way they could literally dump their toddlers for someone else to look after. And then after that it'd be public school, with after school childcare provided too. They'd be barely doing any of the duties of parents at that point, every succubus raised to be an aristocrat with a government provided nanny. That's what they were angling for when there was massive economic growth through the 2010s. succubi's economic independence and the expansion of the state have gone hand in hand.

>>322515
Zoomer succubi are just increasingly leeching off their aging parents instead of growing up. The divorce rape shit where you keep the house can't really be done anymore because houses are expensive and mortgages are so insanely large. But their delaying tactic of just living at home can't last forever because parents grow old and die, Spanish and Italian succubi are the masters of this strategy because they've never really had good NEETbux. But throw in aggressive competition from foreign cultures, and the turtling strategy becomes dangerous in its own right as well. Poverty now can mean literally living alongside aggressive merkelmen rapeapes.

>>322516
that explains why a 6'2" big dude is assoomed to be quite a bloke; but, whenever said bloke's sad past is brought up, its assumed to be some shite not even worth thinking about.

Another thread about females? Just what we needed, a new thread where virgin men discuss between themselves what females ARE REALLY like. Face it, none of us here on this site know anything concrete about succubi aside from the small experiences we had around them in school or what we know about our moms and sisters. I confess that my only opinion about succubi is that they are boring personality-wise, even more so than the average guy is. Aside from that, I'm satisfied with not knowing anything about them.

>>322517
you know, if we're going down this route, then I see no reason to partake in this whole "mating" stuff… again.

Basically, I am back to the point where I've started long ago: what's the point of producing fatherless-grown people who will both struggle with fitting into society AND with finding a way to live without "fitting in"? The negative value (producing a problematic person who's prone to violence) outweighs funny chances of producing a "gifted" person, a champ or some other stuff.

>>322520
I didn't care to talk about it, I was more talking about the political decline of western feminism due to the great replacement. Everyone else jumped in on the generic crab talking points so I had to respond that way I guess.

>>322521
That's literally why our birthrates have fallen like a looney tunes anvil and replacement migration reached the levels they reached. Roger Devlin's conclusion was literally that has happened, will continue to happen as long as the sexual revolution continues, and westerners will be replaced by more traditional and fertile cultures.

Many normie men have reached the conclusions you have reached and are just dodging marriage and having kids. But again, the options of Hindu temples or Salafist mosques are going to start opening up for westerners and they'll be sucked into tradition from that end.

>>322504
The number of times he depicted the theme from the OP pic (and all those Lucretia paintings) makes me think Cranach had a gore kink. Probably just presentism from living in perverted times. Didn't read the thread.

I have a theory that feminism hit the wall when Hillary lost, Hillary was like the walking avatar of white female feminism, and she lost to the walking avatar of patriarchy, trump, and to twist the knife kamala ended up losing to trump too.

Another thing is that the trannies are a big threat to feminism, i do not say that as someone who is pro trans. someone on another chan pointed out to me that if you can change your gender than this discredits feminism as succubi can just become men

>>322584
But succubi will never be men, thats the whole point of the hatred. They will never be tall, strong, big, with a dick. Feminism promises 'empowerment' to closet pooners with baby murder fetishes.

Men can be 'succubi' by mimicking everything that whores love hijacking/bastardizing and more, but whores wont be the 'men' they wish to be.

>>322584
old meme is old

>>322589
you seem biased, anyways if you buy into the trans thing than im right, disgruntled feminists who think men have it better could just become men. this idea destroys the purpose of feminism

>>322591
>>322591


Im not a tranny supporter lol
I'm just saying that feminism loses both ways. No tranny = will never be a man. Become tranny = become a man if being a succubus is so hard.

Alright, longer response. I'm in a good mood today so I'll entertain you.

Foids and trannies do not understand femininity, and they are violent enemies of femininity. To them, wearing childish clothes, talking in childish voices, whoring around and light colors are 'femininity'. They do not respect the values of femininity, they violently hate it, and they only seek to bastardize the products of such values by hijacking them. I do not support either group, I am simply stating the fact of their behavior.

Foids lose either way. Faggots can easily do the same hijacking that they do and pretend to be succubi, foids lose. Faggots can choose to remain males and enjoy their natural physical superiority, foids lose again. Foids are in a perpetual struggle to overcome the female gender and become men, because they violently hate the female gender and it's implications. Such hatred for a natural reality will always set oneself for failure no matter which direction they go.

That's also the reason why men who hate the male gender also fail and defeat the purpose of 'men's rights'. I largely agree with you, but I wanted to add this specific detail aswell.

The op and the first four posts are all AI slop

>>322594

its trendin down hard now. But in 2010s tons and tons of succubi bit tranner pill, tried to become dudes,

and learned how bad it actually sucks to be a short , weak, frail , effimnate male.

Most are now attemptin to return to bein a succubus, and cursin culture and doctors and anyone made em beleive could be a man.

succubi truely believe only top 15% of Men are actual Men.

us in said website are invisible, and cant comprehend we live lives we do