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>>323017
It's the spread of corruption everywhere. Online anonymity and free speech should not be taken away but it's a lost war at this point.

Tech + Corruption = Dystopia

Something bad is coming and then it will be terrible.

>>323022
It sort of seems to me like we created a bureaucracy that is technological in nature and also privately owned. This bureaucracy is run by large corporations that as you point out are all becoming corrupted if they haven't been for some time already. This techno bureaucratic state actually holds more power and control over people's lives than the government, and it also is increasingly bending the government to its will.

All the big players behind Trump are corrupt tech oligarchs. Bezos, Musk, Thiel. Many of them like Thiel have explicitly antidemocratic politics. They literally believe democracy was a mistake. I think they have figured out how to subvert it by using their algorithms and shit to suggest mind control content to people. People are becoming less and less moored in actual reality by the day and I think it is an intentional scheme by the tech oligarchs.

>>323025
Agree but there's more. No matter what route history takes, it's human nature.

Human's are good at defending their wants (greed) but really bad at considering others' sentience (sympathy). They also invent methods of causing suffering (empathy) to control others when they're annoyed. The system has expanded this so everyone's doing this through the economy. There's always more antisocial empathy than sympathy around and across every identity.

It's not just corruption we're messing with but also stupidity and ignorance. They demand control but they're blackmailing and using everything to try to control each other, so no one has control in the end. Not gov, not Nerv and not Seele.

This system is going to end up producing 1000s years of torturous sentient existence for no reason but for corruption itself being insecure.

>>323027
I forgot to add, poverty is now increasingly becoming a sin

>>323025
How ever people want to divide their economy is up to them and if it does not work they should change it.

They should not corrupt their economies or meta-economies or this leads to shitfuckery and no one doing their job because the role is being fulfilled by Johnny Sins and the manager is Eva Lovia. This then leads to a national or cartel secrets which is then protected by violent shit that favela reggaeton *ncels sing because they think that is cool and impresses the succubi which we all know does not.

If you do the autistic math, this leads to millions of quality adjusted years of suffering in the future.

Even Elohim could not himSelf invent a better Hell for a shit species like this.

Your sentience is a joke! If it's not, that's up to you, go ahead sound the alarm.

>>323017
it's a combination of a consolidation of power and meritocracy being totally phased out in favor of nepotism and DEI. decades ago companies like Walmart, or in the 90s/00s companies like Amazon and Google had competition, so they had to actually put effort into being better than their competition. now their competition is all gone and they've bought/run their competitors out of business.

because there's no competition there's no chance that these companies will realistically go under, especially because the economy is part of national defense. if you ever wondered why all these giant media companies were being given tons of Blackrock money to make everything gay and retarded despite their customers not wanting it, that's basically why, it would be too disastrous for the economy and national defense for these companies to go under. so they're all too big to fail, they can't fail because the government won't let them and because of that all kinds of retarded nepotistic/DEI policies can be put into effect with no consequence or downside for the company itself, customers have nowhere else to turn in most cases and no matter how bad the decisions they make are they can just ripcord to another company and some DEI hire will get their old job, continue to run the company in the ground and nothing will change.

there's a lesser example of this as well with all the fake poolside laptop jobs that were invented to babysit succubi to ensure they don't have children, so much of society has been changed/oriented around ensuring that it's impossible for succubi (or PoC etc.) to fail for any reason because that would mean the system is inherently misogynistic/racist.

merit is dead, competition is dead, it's who you know and what you look like/how you fit into the system. everything is fake and gay, everything is being made gay and retarded on purpose and won't change.

>>323058
>there's a lesser example of this as well with all the fake poolside laptop jobs that were invented to babysit succubi to ensure they don't have children, so much of society has been changed/oriented around ensuring that it's impossible for succubi (or PoC etc.) to fail for any reason because that would mean the system is inherently misogynistic/racist.

It's amazing how large this class of people is, how spoiled they are, and how entitled they are. And also how oblivious they are to their own artificial status.

It's easy to shit on crabs, but this sheer hatred of succubi didn't really exist until recently. I talk to indians and other thirdies that migrate here, and they can't believe how entitled and spoiled western succubi are.

The only good thing about the birthrate crash is they're having to migrate in a population that has no time for this shit.

Perhaps the end users are also at blame for this. You see a lot of people complaining about bloated features, gimmicks or downgrade but these features cost the company money to develop. If it doesn't lead to more profits it is rational for them to stop doing it. My fear is that it actually does work. That the people complaining online is a vocal minority and the majority of end users are dumb cattle that get enchanted by shiny new gimmicks, clicks on intrusive ad links and give away their private data for free. It is bewildering to us because we don't fall for it and it seems like the company are just making their products worse for no reason but maybe we're simply not the target customers anymore and no company will cater to us because we are just a lot harder to milk than the average normgroid.

Well, we live in an overpopulated world so low quality is a consequence of mantaining billions of people.
If corporations had barely enough customers to sustain themselves they would put effort in what they do.
Decades ago you were lucky if you owned a car, now the poorest immigrant owns multiple smartphones.
Humans are considered cattle by companies today malpractice is the standard and warranty is a joke.
They even designed an artificial contact system specifically to make you go mad if you have any complaint.

>>323062
>If corporations had barely enough customers to sustain themselves they would put effort in what they do.

This is a deeply flawed take. It's not the number of people in society that is a problem, it's a lack of competition. Businesses in a competitive environment literally do have barely enough customers to sustain themselves. It's optimal for a company to grow to the point that it can't grow anymore due to lack of customers. There can be only 1000 people in society but if there is only one store then will it have just barely enough customers to sustain itself and try hard? No obviously not. It will only try hard if there is another store it has to compete with for customers.

Everything that is happening right now to our economy/society is basically what they told me would happen in econ 101 when monopolies start to form. The whole egg price increase was found to be down to price fixing by the major players in the market. They just used bird flu as a way to sell it to the public. If you look at actual production numbers, they were producing the same as always. There are more examples of price gouging in the wake of covid when companies used that as an excuse. Some of it was due to real supply shocks, but we know how much was thanks to economists doing studies and more of it was due to corporation price gouging than it was actual supply and demand. This is only possible in a market lacking in real competition.

People think we have more competition than we actually do but most of the companies people think are companies are actually just brands and are subsidiaries to larger corporations. It's wild just how few companies own stuff like our media, and mergers are still happening. Just look at paramount acquiring warner brothers.

>>323065
Oh and just to add to this, China has overtaken the west in terms of technology when it comes to car manufacturing despite being way behind not very long ago. They did this by creating an insane level of competition. There were literally thousands of car companies and most of them failed and burned into ash. They can produce cars for a third of what they cost in the west. They did all that with almost 1.5 billion people. So clearly the number of people is not the important factor here.

>>323065
You can't have both quality and quantity, imagine the market as a lake: if the lake is full of fish companies will put no effort into fishing, instead if there is no fish companies will have to improve their tactics in order to eat.

This post >>323027 isn't too far away.

>>323017
>All the power structures are set and all the lowest worms in society have wriggled their way to the top of them.
Free speech is used to justify things that aren't really speech and that's just one kind of corruption ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>323068
I don't know why I even try to reason with stupid people

>>323075
>Talking past each other haha
Why don't you just use the damn lake to explain it to him?

>>323065
Do you watch dystopian fiction?

>>323075
Woah brother I did not insult you. I only made an example to explain my concept. I will give you a more detailed response.

>There can be only 1000 people in society but if there is only one store then will it have just barely enough customers to sustain itself and try hard? No obviously not. It will only try hard if there is another store it has to compete with for customers.
My point is that there aren't only 1000 people in society but a growing unhealthy amount, the planet is a fixed environment and can only host a limited number of stores so the equation more people = more competition is false. Instead there is no limit to the quantity of people that can exist.

I will make another example:
Can everyone become a doctor? No, so there is a limited number of doctors based on performance and results.
Do you think a doctor will give you more attention if he has to handle 100 patients or 1000 patients? I will let you answer my question.

Since OP was talking about the enshittification of everything I pointed out the real problem: the mass consumption societies of globohomo.

>>323080
I'm not the anon but I'll explain >>323065 and >>323066 to you.

If you have more people you have more professionals and more demand for consumer goods and the factories and farms will increase the production to keep up. We're nowhere near the planets limit yet.

If you have only one shop or service everyone goes to, the shop will try to get away with cheap quality and high prices because the customers can't go anywhere else. The ceo will increase the profits and enshittify the existing products because there is no competition. The shop does not fear other shops taking it's customers.

Companies are buying up all the shops and services so they are owned by the same company so they don't have to fear competition anymore and then they enshittify their products to make the customers pay more for the same quality, globohomo is just a symptom of all this.

>>323071
I saw the westphalen thread lol wtf

Do you know any better chans or places that don't have the creeps?

When I think back to 2006 I never imagined how much worse things would be 20 years later, it's shocking how much things have declined in a relatively short time

>>323022
>Something bad is coming and then it will be terrible.
Some mix of 1984 and brave new world, I hope with more of the latter.
I guess this is just me being a retard who read 2 books in his life and then applying them to everything I see, but it feels real.

The world is splitting into parts that try to isolate those in their sphere of influence.
Like the US/EU and the BRICS nations. They'll have their separate bubbles, but they'll have bubbles within the bubbles if that makes sense.
The EU being more like reluctant (or insidious) vassals of the US will likely torment their people more because the psychos at the top can't play god-king.

Same on the BRICS site, some are clearly declining and losing more than others, the power dynamics just aren't as hard defined.
Once the information lockdown is complete they can just shape the world of the masses as they please.
I'm afraid to be honest. AI is at the point where I'm not sure I could tell a good quality AI gen apart from reality. Hell many might consider me posting here to be AI too for all I know, maybe I'm replying to an AI thread…

Even ignoring AI, legacy media already had insane control over the masses. The only thing that broke a significant portion out of the trance was the open internet. Then again weaponized with pysops too so who knows.
I feel like COVID was the last contentious world event where the internet played a major role in helping us because AI wasn't there yet.
Now it's pretty much over.
Even if you find your way out of "containment" and figure some truths out, there will be nothing you can do, maybe not even to save yourself. Even with COVID the gaslit normies inflicted whatever torment they could on those that didn't go along with it.
What if an alternative thought is no longer even an option?

I'm scared … I wish I was older. I still got a decent 20 years in me only being 30 before I'd be fine with passing I guess. It's looking grim.

>>323017
Depends, I had my privacy schizo arc and recently decided to just give in and embraced the botnet, consoomed all the tech and to me it's insanely convenient.
I can just order something, by next morning some dude places my order in a box near the gas station down the road. I pick it up, I check it out and if I don't like said item I can just return it with a few taps on a screen and get a refund.
No hassle.
E-mails are fine, chats are whatever I guess. I don't have people to talk to anymore online anyways so whatever Discord is doing doesnt affect me.
Games are easier to access than ever.

Now this is when things work.
>Everything works just barely well enough to still keep functioning but at the same time it's decaying and degrading.
Unfortunately what you describe is very real in my mostly second hand experience as well. I work at a large quasi-monopoly in my country and this is absolutely true.
If things fail, you often get no real solution. "Works for everybody else".
There are no alternatives or competition you could go to for the service most of the time. The competition just rebrands the same service anyways.
Often times there isn't even a person you can talk to with these things.
I dread the day my google account gets banned or has some issue because I know there is no support so it's a lost cause.
Repair is no longer a real thing so I fear once my computer parts fail I'll never be able to replace them since you know, no longer made or no longer legal to get with the future looking to have hard drives tied to your ID or something lmao.

>All the power structures are set and all the lowest worms in society have wriggled their way to the top of them.
I'm at the bottom so might just be sour grapes in my case.
Coworkers became bosses and bosses of my bosses because I have no ambition despite having some seniority by now, but this tends to be real.
Very many people in positions of power or authority didn't really earn their way that is for sure. I like to think of them as aristocracy in some sense.
Not the middle manager types, they are just power hungry normies most of the time. But the C level dudes that play politics and get shuffled around positions on the regular, the true owners also people in medical professions come to mind with insane barriers to entry.

There are often orders barked down from the very top that are so far removed from the reality of the bottom rungs (grunt workers making things work) that I can only imagine it as the front lines receiving some asinine orders from a king far removed.
Declarations made on information filtered through a hundred liars and sycophants.

McCeo can't handle his McBurgers

Too many men >>322020 that's the problem they just keep corrupting everything. Keep them at 15% of the population and have an aggressive quality control in place to make them count.

>>323084
>When I think back to 2006 I never imagined how much worse things would be 20 years later, it's shocking how much things have declined in a relatively short time
Honestly I thought things were going to get better and people were going to solve problems and make everyone happy. All these culture wars and slop philosophy have just enshittified the people and now there are 100s of reasons to exclude you, put you in debt and make you lonely.

>>323090
Same. I genuinely hoped for a greater future because at the time people that had internet access were quite sane compared to what I was surrounded with.

>>323091
Corruption is insecure and scared so it creates hurricans and storms. Sane people enjoy things per se and as they are.

>>323090
>Honestly I thought things were going to get better and people were going to solve problems and make everyone happy
The people who have purposely been making things worse have been telling you that things will get better so that you don't catch on to their handywork. Everyone from your gradeschool teacher, to your pastor, to your small town mayor have been taking their pupils and subjects for a decades-long ruse cruise.

>>323017
>All the power structures are set and all the lowest worms in society have wriggled their way to the top of them.
There needs to be another more straight chan with a /pol/ and a /b/ to discuss this further. This place is infested with adobes pretending to be virgins. Or maybe I'm running away from a cosmic truth that this planet is a farm owned by adobes.

This is what happens when things run on debt/usury which our currency is rooted in at a basic level.

When people say there's 3-10% "inflation" the thing to remember as a company that means you need to grow your income 3-10% a year to tread water. Companies can't change their prices that quickly. So instead they cut corners and find ways to just lower costs so they can tread water.
Over a long period of time this leads to everything just degrading.
As things get owned by larger and large corporations, who use debt to buy smaller companies to try to boost their own growth (why big companies invest in smaller ones is if you have say a billion dollars to invest you need to extract as high a return as possible from that, investing it in your own company may not net that 3-10% baseline increase you need. Instead the idea of buying a smaller company/injecting a bunch of money can get you far more growth, or that there may be some synergistic effect with your own company that can accomplish that 3-10% growth)

Obviously that doesn't work and it means every small company that gets bought ends up just getting gutted to try to integrate with the larger one or reach those growth targets.

This started getting really bad after the 70s and went critical after 08 but has gone on for longer before that.

It also applies to cities/towns. Most local governments are insolvent and trapped in a ton of debt. Debt is not optional to pay back, if a city has a flat level of income, and their debt is growing faster then their income, that means they have to stop providing services or provide lower quality services to make sure they can keep paying their debts.

In a similar way it just drowns everything overtime. In medieval times they had stuff like Debt jubilees to loosen this somewhat but our entire economy is basically fake apart from debt, as I said our currency itself is debt. If everyone paid off all their debts there would be 0 us dollars in existence because it is an instrument of debt itself.

This will continue until the foundations of society are hollowed out to the point the debt can no longer be serviced and we will have a forced jubillee, hyper inflation or a debt default.

>>323099
>This will continue until the foundations of society are hollowed out to the point the debt can no longer be serviced and we will have a forced jubillee, hyper inflation or a debt default.
There wont be a forced jubilee because 5-10% of people are obsessed with non-consensual bullshit. You assume too good of people.

>>323099
Poverty isn't enough… You have to do whatever you're told to do because you are in debt.

The way forward is global acceptance of MAiD. The people here have to want to be here. There is no other way.

>>323099
>This is what happens when things run on debt/usury which our currency is rooted in at a basic level.
This robs everyone of meaning. What does it mean to serve a hobo?

The worst thing to do to a human isn't to hurt them, it's to make them meaningless. Even the spam poster gets meaning from the hatred they get.

>>323017
I have to use Photoshop for work and it is abyssmal. Pajeets with bought diplomas just wreck everything they touch.

>>323102
what is MAiD?

>>323225
Medical Assistance in Dying. It's a program designed to kill people instead of curing their ailments so their organs can be given to eldritch Jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjSyAJcdyjM

this is a nice video about how the mercedes benz became shitty, it is narrated by german ai-voice but surely you can just mute it and have subtitles of your language displayed

>>323226
Then I'd rather have some kind of Assistance in Living, but realistically MAiD is more likely to come around.