>>323874>Organisms without a brain do not really seem conscious to me. assuming you are correct and the body is not conscious then explain to me how the body knows when a good moment to poop is and when there isn't. when it is the worst time to poop, the body pauses until a better moment arrives. this is stuff the body is running in the background but it is running it so good that it can coordinate with your schedule. if now is a bad time to poop, your body understands that and my question is how. i assume it reads your emotions and the information you collect with your senses. does that not sufficiently represent a form of consciousness? your digestion knows what is happening in your life enough so it knows when to poop. do you know your digestion enough to know what to eat? because if you don't then i could argue your digestion not even IS conscious but is even MORE conscious then you are.
>I don't think plants, fungi, invertebrates think or have opinions. i heard trees coordinate their airspace so that other trees are not in competition with each other for sun and rain. some say they communicate and share resources with each other. i have not looked into it too deeply but this is what i would expect of something that is alive and unable to move.
ants are an empire.
fungi have their own internet.
>Further animals with consciousness like cats, while they have consciousness are not intelligent and don't have any more complex thinking than "in this place I can find food" or "I like this human".i think you are not privy to a lot of information that would lead you to believe otherwise. i think cat's live a crazy life, they are strong, dangerous with impressive movement ability and sense perception but they also have the worst digestive load. they have to digest flesh which requires strong acid and a lot of time. i am so thankful to have my digestion and not that of a cat.
>Your post reminds me of this untrue belief plants and flowers can feel things and are self-aware, while any significant consciousness starts at animals with a small brain like mice and birds.yeah you can argue that there are degrees and differences but i think you are judging consciousness by what little of it you have seen so far. you might be looking at the tip of an iceberg without realizing that most of it is underneath the surface. if you had seen more of the stuff below the surface you'd feel silly for judging the small part of it that sticks out of the water where anyone can't help but see it.
i suspect that one thing that is keeping you from seeing more of the bigger picture is the fact that you are not conscious of the cleaning cycles of your human body because if you were, you'd understand that the body tries to do stuff that it can't when you are too busy accomplishing meaninglessness. most people don't even think detoxing is real. it's new age hippie woowoo to them.
people who are insisting everything that is not medical science must be a scam insult me. their brain uses
>their mouth irl>their fingers digitallyto call me a unscientific hippie while i can sense their body screaming in agony because it is so desperate to switch into cleaning cycle…
…but it can't because there is always an emergency. the same way the body can delay a poop for a few minutes or hours, the body can delay the much needed deepclean until the next moment of peace. and then when the moment of peace never comes, the body never gets to regenerate and just shrivels, gets sick and dies.