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Does your body look good?

My body thinks it's time for another beer

It thinks it should die

>>323840
>Does your body look good?

a body who is in the habit of always improving and learning can not help but look good, sooner or later the good look is achieved and what most people consider aging is in large parts user error; being an amateur in handling the human organism, being seduced by convenience, associating with bad-faith people, serve people who hate you, unconsciously going along with expectation to engage in self-destruction.

>My body thinks it's time for another beer

how come your body even knows what beer is. you must have given alcohol to it a lot for it to get used to it. i did this when i was young but i soon realized the drinker's fate and wanted to stay away from it.

you have let yourself be trained to enjoy your own decay, that's what it looks like to me from afar.

>>323843
>It thinks it should die

same with you as with the poster before, i don't even believe that's your body. what i consider more likely is that's your brain pretending it can speak for the body and i am not convinced that it can.

what if the body tries to communicate through love but you don't have a brain that understands love and the brain just tells the body what to do. permanent emergency but not a loving relationship between body and mind.

>>323839
>i reject the normoid idea that the body can not think or have an opinion
Organisms without a brain do not really seem conscious to me. I don't think plants, fungi, invertebrates think or have opinions. Further animals with consciousness like cats, while they have consciousness are not intelligent and don't have any more complex thinking than "in this place I can find food" or "I like this human".
Your post reminds me of this untrue belief plants and flowers can feel things and are self-aware, while any significant consciousness starts at animals with a small brain like mice and birds.
>i take good care of my body and i love it. it has been so good to me and i always give it enough sleep and put good food in and exercise it and then when i am doing something, it is so accomodating, supportive and helpful. i can not help but suspect it knows me and happily helps me through life
I think what goes wrong here you are simply able to feel your body with your central nervous system, and somehow you anthropomorphise these sensations in a person which is not you, while you are simply feeling pain or pleasure, illness or health

>>323874
>I think what goes wrong here you are simply able to feel your body with your central nervous system, and somehow you anthropomorphise these sensations in a person which is not you, while you are simply feeling pain or pleasure, illness or health

what you dismiss as mere personification of the body rests upon the fact that i am basically software that is running my body. i am an operating system that runs the conscious voluntary part of this biological machine. you could replace me with the operating system of someone who lived 500 years ago and then it would not be me running this body, the body could function though.

however this perspective i am thus humoring assumes that i am not the ultimate best answer to the question "who should run this body, what should be his abilities, priorities" and i am wondering if i might be. i may have been grown to be the best possible operator of this machine because the consciousness of this machine (that you are in denial of) groomed me to address problems that occured in previous iterations of the machine. i have solved the problems that limited my father, i figgured stuff out by learning from him. he did the same, he improved upon what his father did. i suspect this process has been going for a while.

i have to go afk, i still wanted to adress the first part of your post.

>>323874
>Organisms without a brain do not really seem conscious to me.

assuming you are correct and the body is not conscious then explain to me how the body knows when a good moment to poop is and when there isn't. when it is the worst time to poop, the body pauses until a better moment arrives. this is stuff the body is running in the background but it is running it so good that it can coordinate with your schedule. if now is a bad time to poop, your body understands that and my question is how. i assume it reads your emotions and the information you collect with your senses. does that not sufficiently represent a form of consciousness? your digestion knows what is happening in your life enough so it knows when to poop. do you know your digestion enough to know what to eat? because if you don't then i could argue your digestion not even IS conscious but is even MORE conscious then you are.


>I don't think plants, fungi, invertebrates think or have opinions.

i heard trees coordinate their airspace so that other trees are not in competition with each other for sun and rain. some say they communicate and share resources with each other. i have not looked into it too deeply but this is what i would expect of something that is alive and unable to move.

ants are an empire.

fungi have their own internet.


>Further animals with consciousness like cats, while they have consciousness are not intelligent and don't have any more complex thinking than "in this place I can find food" or "I like this human".

i think you are not privy to a lot of information that would lead you to believe otherwise. i think cat's live a crazy life, they are strong, dangerous with impressive movement ability and sense perception but they also have the worst digestive load. they have to digest flesh which requires strong acid and a lot of time. i am so thankful to have my digestion and not that of a cat.

>Your post reminds me of this untrue belief plants and flowers can feel things and are self-aware, while any significant consciousness starts at animals with a small brain like mice and birds.

yeah you can argue that there are degrees and differences but i think you are judging consciousness by what little of it you have seen so far. you might be looking at the tip of an iceberg without realizing that most of it is underneath the surface. if you had seen more of the stuff below the surface you'd feel silly for judging the small part of it that sticks out of the water where anyone can't help but see it.

i suspect that one thing that is keeping you from seeing more of the bigger picture is the fact that you are not conscious of the cleaning cycles of your human body because if you were, you'd understand that the body tries to do stuff that it can't when you are too busy accomplishing meaninglessness. most people don't even think detoxing is real. it's new age hippie woowoo to them.

people who are insisting everything that is not medical science must be a scam insult me. their brain uses
>their mouth irl
>their fingers digitally
to call me a unscientific hippie while i can sense their body screaming in agony because it is so desperate to switch into cleaning cycle…

…but it can't because there is always an emergency. the same way the body can delay a poop for a few minutes or hours, the body can delay the much needed deepclean until the next moment of peace. and then when the moment of peace never comes, the body never gets to regenerate and just shrivels, gets sick and dies.

>>323878
I don't see how this post refutes my argument or advances your own.
When something goes wrong or well in your body your nerves connected to it create these pleasant or unpleasant sensations. You somehow claim there is something intelligent hidden behind hunger or pain while it's just blood sugar dropping, nerves picking this up, and sending this info to the more voluntary part of your nervous system.

i wish death were eternal nothingness
that would be the greatest mercy

>>323881
>assuming you are correct and the body is not conscious then explain to me how the body knows when a good moment to poop is and when there isn't. when it is the worst time to poop,
My argument is that consciousness is strictly located in the central nervous system, which makes most of the body a non-conscious flesh slave to the brain. As for defecation there are tiny nerves wired up to the digestive system which monitor and control the entire pooping mechanism. If you damage the nerves but leave the bowels intact you get incontinence, loss of voluntary control of digestive functions while there is no pain, meanwhile if the digestive system is damaged but the nerves are intact you actually feel pain.
>i heard trees coordinate their airspace so that other trees are not in competition with each other for sun and rain.
I'm not saying it isn't alive, I'm saying these organisms are not-conscious. There is no "passenger" or soul stuck in a plant or fungus. Ancient Greek philosophers used to discuss which creatures had souls and which has not. Forming complex structures by itself is not exclusive to life, I wouldn't say mineral crystals communicate with each other because they compete for resources.
>i think cat's live a crazy life, they are strong, dangerous with impressive movement ability
Their life experience in the wild is characterised by struggling to hunt for food their entire life. Nothing like human beings which have language, abstraction, religion, complex social structures. Their primal animal "intelligence" which makes them remember where there is food or get sad when one of their kittens dies is nothing compared to a human's mental and emotional capabilities.

>>323881
>yeah you can argue that there are degrees and differences but i think you are judging consciousness by what little of it you have seen so far
I argue there are no conscious beings without a central nervous system. Plants and fungi are life without consciousness. Humans and animals are life with consciousness or soul. Then there are edge cases like worms and certain invertebrates like sea stars where a very small CNS is present regulating physiological impulses but obviously consciousness isn't present there.
>one thing that is keeping you from seeing more of the bigger picture …
I'm well aware the body gets overwhelmed by stuff like processed foods, cigarettes, etc. You are diverging from the main point of the discussion and insisting you magically know stuff about other people's personal health. "I can sense their body screaming in agony" completely ridiculous
>people who are insisting everything that is not medical science must be a scam
Nowhere did I say this
>the body can delay the much needed deepclean
this "cleaning" of the body like removing certain harmful stuff with vitamin C and the killing of microbes by the immune system has been extensively studied by science, this stuff isn't hippie stuff

>>323913
>I argue there are no conscious beings without a central nervous system

i don't agree but i think the distinction you are making is meaningful in the sense that it limits consciousness to these urgent animals with their movement ability without honoring what could be called nervous system activity without a center and sometimes without the urgency of an electric system, though i was under the impression that there is electrical activity in plants and fungi; how else could they make those flashy videos where they connect plants and mushrooms to electrical musical instruments and make their impulses audible for humans. when you do respect their existence as a non-moving entity though you probably find things that approximate nervous system activity, usually just slower.

>are edge cases like worms
i'm not convinced consciousness is binary so maybe there is the possibility of having somewhat of a consciousness. when i can make my consciousness grow then there must be degrees to it. when you can punish yourself to keep your consciousness from expanding and it remains in it's infant stage, that's another strong indicator for the existence of degrees.

>I'm well aware the body gets overwhelmed by stuff like processed foods, cigarettes, etc. You are diverging from the main point of the discussion and insisting you magically know stuff about other people's personal health. "I can sense their body screaming in agony" completely ridiculous

i don't think there is anything magical about it. every sufficiently advanced technology looks like magic to those who first encounter it. i don't believe this to be true. i don't need to know everything about you in the exact way that you wish for me to know it to know you sufficiently to predict your most likely behavior or make sense of even your less obvious actions. there are shortcuts to knowing you that you may not have found. this whole meme of not judging books by their cover is perpetuated by people who are usually judged to be something unflattering and they think they can lobby other people to flatter them; that's silly to me. the body (even unbeknownst to you) tries it's best to be forthcoming about you and your intentions and visualize you to the best of it's ability.

>"I can sense their body screaming in agony" completely ridiculous
when you think your troubles are private up to the point when you reveal them through language to others… you are delusional. communication has been happening way longer before people bothered to invent language. monkeys can't talk human languages but there is a common spacial land-animal communication, there is common mammal communication and there is even common monkey communication they can tap into; meaning even the monkey can hear your screams. putting on a strict soyface and insisting otherwise i am afraid will not lead to your small-minded goal of being perceived differently.

>>people who are insisting everything that is not medical science must be a scam
>Nowhere did I say this
maybe you didn't and it is just something that i would expect you to believe, maybe you said it indirectly while you said something else and did not notice it…

>this "cleaning" of the body like removing certain harmful stuff with vitamin C and the killing of microbes by the immune system has been extensively studied by science, this stuff isn't hippie stuff

yeah clearly nowhere did you say it except right there… no there is stuff that science is behind on and you don't understand what it is because you have been charmed by it so hard that you want to remain blind to it's limitations and consider it the center. your ignorance towards the miraculous human body is a prime example of why the habitual reliance of central systems is a dangerous drug and you foolishly fell for it's marketing.

>>324525
>nervous system activity without a center
i don't see plants and fungi, thinking, feeling and performing conscious activity
>i'm not convinced consciousness is binary
i argue animals have non-intelligent consciousness, like cats. obviously only complex animals have this and stuff like worms can't be called having consciousness
>predict your most likely behavior or make sense of even your less obvious actions. there are shortcuts to knowing you that you may not have found
yeah i guess you can tell what a person did and thought today by just taking a glance at them and maybe having a chat, you have superpowers!
>when you think your troubles are private up to the point when you reveal them through language to others
all human beings mainly use speech to communicate
>yeah clearly nowhere did you say it except right there
mainstream science has it's own idea of the cleaning of the body alongside alternative thinking, thinking in one way doesn't mean you believe everything else is a scam, you can easily combine taking vitamin C tablets with alternative therapies

>>324554
>by just taking a glance at them and maybe having a chat, you have superpowers!

i guess me having super power and you being normal sounds a whole lot better then me being normal and you having reduced power. that way i am the weird one and you can keep hiding in the majority; but yes you can take glances at people and have chats with them and you can know a whole lot about people even though they did not explicitly used human language to form it into sentence. example: i can likely smell when you fart, i don't need to wait for you to anounce the information in human english to know when you fart and it doesn't stop at farting.

>>324554 farts

me: hey you farted

>>324554: no i never said that i did

>>324557
I wouldn't call being able to tell when someone farted 'knowing a lot about people', but you do you I guess
>>324558
what a bunch of nonsense

>>324558
You should scold your body for farting in public by making it smell the fart, like people do with dogs, make them smell their shit when they shit in the house

>>324598
>make them smell their shit when they shit in the house
Dogs enjoy the smell (and taste) of their own feces.

>>324600
Sounds like an excuse to huff your own turds

>>324600
>feces
if i were to open a business selling shit, i'd first rename myself to Ceecee and then i would call the business Ceecee's feces.

>come buy feces from different species at Ceecee's.

>>324557
>I wouldn't call being able to tell when someone farted 'knowing a lot about people'

that is irrelevant because if "knowing a lot about people" were to appear in front of you, you would not be able to recognize it anyways because it would not announce itself to you in human english.

the fart meant to illustrate to you that i can know that you fart whether you anounce it or not, thus being an example of how irrelevant your habit of anouncing really is. in a sense this is a continuation of your communication style: repeating what is obvious.

>>324558
>what a bunch of nonsense
no that's what you are like.

>>324605
I would call knowing someone's thoughts, feelings and life history knowing a lot about someone. Maybe you lack basic comprehension of English?
voluntarily sharing something is not the same as autistically announcing every little thing

>>324611
>I would call knowing someone's thoughts, feelings and life history knowing a lot about someone.

that's probably something you don't think is possible because your religion (normality) has no strong opinion about it. anyways i don't wanna talk to you anymore. i know all about normality so your words are just bloat to me.

>>324612
that's okay