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 No.325655

True it is, without falsehood, certain and most true.
That which is above is like to that which is below, and that which is below is like to that which is above,
to accomplish the miracles of one thing.
And as all things were by contemplation of one, so all things arose from this one thing by a single act of adaptation.
The father thereof is the Sun, the mother the Moon.
The wind carried it in its womb, the earth is the nurse thereof.
It is the father of all works of wonder throughout the whole world.
The power thereof is perfect.
If it be cast on to earth, it will separate the element of earth from that of fire, the subtle from the gross.
With great sagacity it doth ascend gently from earth to heaven. Again it doth descend to earth,
and uniteth in itself the force from things superior and things inferior.
Thus thou wilt possess the glory of the brightness of the whole world, and all obscurity will fly far from thee.
This thing is the strong fortitude of all strength,
for it overcometh every subtle thing and doth penetrate every solid substance.
Thus was this world created.
Hence will there be marvellous adaptations achieved, of which the manner is this.
For this reason I am called Hermes Trismegistus, because I hold three parts of the wisdom of the whole world.
That which I had to say about the operation of Sol is completed.

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>>325655
>Dechiper
I you want to truly decipher it you need to learn alchemy logic semantics language and learn what chemical operation its in the text.
>Also
If you just take it and investigate it in a philosophical, religious or Metaphysical sense (before modern physics so Newton ideas) you maybe just gonna get some partial Metaphysics, weird ideas of old Hermetism mix up with more eastern-western ideas and maybe a weird stupid beliefs on new thought movement ideas.

 No.325660

Did you not hear? It was deciphered last Thursday.

 No.325664

>>325660
really?

 No.325665

>>325658
just want to crack some codes

 No.325672

>>325655
>>325665
"Hermes Trismegistos" was the pseudonym of an anonymous Greek forger who wrote an account approximate of what he imagined Ancient Egyptian Paganism to have been. There almost certainly never existed any historical figure hight "Hermes Trismegistos." Even the preface to the "Corpus Hermeticum" reads in Greek: "Ὁ τοῦ Ἑρμοῦ Τρισμέγιστου Ποιμάνδρης συνεγράφετο περὶ τὸ ἔτος 200 μετὰ τὴν Χριστοῦ γενετήν," The Poimander (ie, shepherd of men) of Hermes Trismegistos was written around the year 200 after the birth of Christ." And again 200 years after the birth of Christ — “intellectually speaking” — is actually quite a late point in the history of human thought (much too late chronologically to have accommodated the first literary appearance of a claimed ancient).

But with this premised, however, I will speak to your quoted lines in logically allowing the notion of the legend of a Hermes-like figure having taken a tablet of green stone and thereon having etched cryptic philosophical opinions whose true meanings endure in excess of common human understanding; and I will further grant that everything this personified mystic is discovered to have written is potentially possessive of actual philosophical value (while remembering that it is peculiar of these sorts of systems that you must first sift through huge layers of fluff and misdirection to arrive at a concrete worthwhile understanding).

So to begin: Hermeticism is modeled on Ancient Egyptian Paganism (as is Platonism) and shares in similar features to all occultic/gnostic systems, these especially include

1 - emphasis on immortality
2 - emphasis on non-duality/oneness
3 - emphasis on escaping reincarnation cycles
4 - emphasis on the falseness of sense impressions/anti-materiality
5 - heavy ritualistic use of psychogenic drugs/mushrooms (look at Hermes' hat in near all idealized drawings of him: it is a stylized psilocybin mushroom in a certain middle growth phase, much like the crowns of the Ancient Egyptians, which were also stylized mushrooms).

In connection with point 5, I’m somewhat surprised that hereto no wiz here has yet evidenced understanding that the renaissance alchemists were wont to call the dried sclerotia of psychogenic mushroom species “lapides viventes” or “living stones.” Emeralds in particular were “stones” conceptually bound up with the idea of immortality, owing entirely to their verdure (as the season of spring is that of rebirth and renewal), and plant and fungal species about this time of year do blossom in broad variety.

>The wind carried it in its womb, the earth is the nurse thereof.

It is the father of all works of wonder throughout the whole world.
The power thereof is perfect.
If it be cast on to earth, it will separate the element of earth from that of fire, the subtle from the gross.

This makes sense as wind scatters bovine manure by virtue of the air and earth is the nurse whereon the manure takes root allowing the “stone” to flourish into maturity. I suppose it could be argued that it has “perfect power” also, as usually the experience of ingesting these sorts of plants radically changes one’s view of reality.

The Latin in question more exactly reads (as best as I could make it out, had to zoom in really close!): “Vis eius, integra est. Si versa fuerit in terram, separabis terram ab igne, subtile a spisso, suaviter cum magno ingenio ascendit a terra in coelum, iterumque descendit in terram, & recepit vim superiorum & inferiorum. Sic habebis gloriam totius mundi, ideo fugiat a te omnis obscuritas.”

By my own translation then: Its power, is whole. If it shall have been turned into the earth, you will separate earth from fire, thin [subtle] from thick, pleasantly with great genius it ascends from the earth into the sky, and again descends into earth, and receives the power of higher and lower things. Thus you will have glory of all the world, therefore from you may flee all darkness.

The Platonists believed in the existence of two suns : one visible (oratos) and one noetic/purely mental (noetos). They considered the noetic sun to be god (separate from the demiurge, of course, whom the common people in their ignorance think is god, but is not). Supposedly the brightness of this sun is far greater than the earthly sun. It is through the “power” of entheogenic drugs that it [the enlightened human soul] rises out of the demiurgic cave and arrives into the supermundane realm of the forms and the noetic sun. Read carefully and review the following poetical stanza from an adjacent anonymous author before we return to hermeticism proper:

Ὁ γὰρ πατὴρ ἅπαντα ἐξετέλεσε, τὰ νοητὰ δηλαδὴ
εἴδη, ταῦτα γάρ ἐστι, τὰ ἐκτετελεσμένα τε καὶ
τέλεια, καὶ τῷ μεθ’ ἑαυτὸν δευτέρῳ θεῷ
παρέδωκεν, ἄρχειν δηλαδὴ καὶ ἡγεῖσθαι αὐτῶν·
ὥστε ἦν τι καὶ διὰ τούτου παράγηται τοῦ θεοῦ,
πρὸς παράδειγμα ἑαυτοῦ τε καὶ τῆς ἄλλης νοητῆς
οὐσίας, καὶ τοῦτο ἐκ τοῦ ἀνωτάτω πατρὸς ἴσχειν
τὴν γένεσιν. Τοῦτον τὸν δεύτερον θεόν, πρῶτον
φησιν ἑαυτοῖς τίθεσθαι τὰ τῶν ἀνδρῶν ἔθνη,
ὁπόσα δηλαδή, τοῦ μὲν κόσμου τοῦδε προσεχῆ
τινα δημιουργὸν νομίζει, τούτου δ’ οὐκ ἔτι ἀνωτέρω οὐδένα.

For the father did perfect all things, manifestly the noetic
forms, for these are, perfected and perfect,
in accordance with himself to the second god
did he give, manifestly to rule and manage them.
So that if something through this god may be led,
toward the paradigm of himself and of the other noetic
substance, and this to have genesis from out of
the highest father. This second god, whom the
tribes of men place first to themselves, they consider a certain
maker (demiurge) next of this world, and still none higher than this.

They also thought that everything had emanated from this source point — including material creation itself, thus “And as all things were, and came from one, through the mediation of one: so all things were born from this one thing, by adaptation.” The Jews call this process “tsimtsum” but in the original greek (prior to jewish mysticism) it is called aporrhoia (off-flowing).

Further, the “traveling up and down” of which Hermes speaks is symbolic language used to describe the psychedelic revelations these mystics would experience through the use of certain drugs.

 No.325674

>>325672
>If it be cast on to earth, it will separate the element of earth from that of fire, the subtle from the gross.

Separating fine matter (the soul) from gross matter (the body) was considered an alchemical process, thus “You will separate the earth from the fire, the thin from the thick, pleasantly, with great genius, etc." Remember the ancients considered the 4 elements to be the 4 ways by which the demiurge kills us while we are alive in these fleshly bodies (the soul however being of an immaterial quality and capable of making escape out of the prison bounds of this dark “shadow” realm).

I have lastly further re-read some of the original Corpus Hermeticum after encountering your thread and have selected out and translated some passages that I reason you might find useful, in no specific order:

>That which is above is like to that which is below, and that which is below is like to that which is above,


“διὸ τολμητέον εἰπεῖν τὸν μὲν ἄνθρωπον
ἐπίγειον εἶναι θεὸν θνητόν, τὸν δὲ οὐράνιον θεὸν ἀθάνατον
ἄνθρωπον·”

Therefore it must be ventured to be said [that] indeed
man to be an earthly mortal god,
but god to be an heavenly immortal man.

>The father thereof is the Sun, the mother the Moon.


“εἰ δὲ θέλεις αὐτὸν ἰδεῖν,
νόησον τὸν ἥλιον, νόησον τὸν σελήνης δρόμον, νόησον τῶν
ἀστέρων τὴν τάξιν. τίς ὁ τὴν τάξιν τηρῶν; (τάξις γὰρ
πᾶσα περιώρισται ἀριθμῷ καὶ τόπῳ)”

If you want to see him,
contemplate the sun, contemplate the course of the moon,
contemplate the order of the stars. Who is guarding the order; (for
every order is bound in number and place)

>And as all things were by contemplation of one, so all things arose from this one thing by a single act of adaptation.


“ἡ γὰρ μονάς, οὖσα πάντων ἀρχὴ καὶ ῥίζα, ἐν πᾶσίν ἐστιν
ὡς ἂν ῥίζα καὶ ἀρχή. ἄνευ δὲ ἀρχῆς οὐδὲν, ἀρχὴ δὲ ἐξ
οὐδενὸς ἀλλ' ἐξ αὐτῆς, εἴ γε ἀρχή ἐστι τῶν ἑτέρων. μονὰς
οὖσα οὖν ἀρχὴ πάντα ἀριθμὸν ἐμπεριέχει, ὑπὸ μηδενὸς
ἐμπεριεχομένη, καὶ πάντα ἀριθμὸν γεννᾷ ὑπὸ μηδενὸς γεν-
νωμένη ἑτέρου ἀριθμοῦ.”

For the monad, being the initial and root of all things, is in all things
as a root and beginning. Nothing without a beginning, but the beginning
from out of nothing but from itself, if indeed it is an initial of other things.
Then the monad being the beginning contains every number, by nothing
contained, and it generates every number by no
other number generated.

"εἰς δὲ τὴν εὐσεβῆ ψυχὴν ὁ νοῦς ἐμβὰς ὁδηγεῖ αὐτὴν ἐπὶ τὸ τῆς γνώσεως φῶς·"

The mind having entered into a pious soul leads it upon the light of knowledge. -Thus “By this means you will have the glory of the whole world; and for this all darkness will flee from you.”

"αἴτιος δὲ ὁ πατὴρ τῶν τέκνων καὶ τῆς σπορᾶς καὶ τῆς τροφῆς, τὴν ὄρεξιν λαβὼν τοῦ ἀγαθοῦ διὰ τοῦ ἡλίου·"

But the father is causative of children and of seed and of food, receiving appetite of the good through the sun.
-Another platonic appeal to the light.

“φῶς καὶ ζωή ἐστιν ὁ θεὸς καὶ πατήρ, ἐξ οὗ ἐγένετο ὁ Ἄνθρωπος. ἐὰν οὖν μάθηις αὐτὸν ἐκ ζωῆς καὶ φωτὸς ὄντα καὶ ὅτι ἐκ τούτων τυγχάνεις, εἰς ζωὴν πάλιν χωρήσεις.”

God and the Father is light and life, from out of whom man was made. If then thou mayest learn him being from life and light and that from out of these things thou existest, again shalt thou advance into life. -This is talking about immortality.

"οὐ γὰρ ἀγνοεῖ τὸν ἄνθρωπον ὁ θεός, ἀλλὰ καὶ πάνυ γνωρίζει καὶ θέλει γνωρίζεσθαι. τοῦτο μόνον σωτήριον ἀνθρώπωι ἐστίν, ἡ γνῶσις τοῦ θεοῦ. αὕτη εἰς τὸν Ὄλυμπον ἀνάβασις·"

For God is not ignorant of man, but entirely he recognizes and wants to be recognized. This alone is salvific for man: knowledge of god. This is ascent unto Olympus. -This is talking about god wanting man to be made co-eternal with himself and to complete his ascension.

“ἐγένετο γὰρ ὁ τοῦ σώματος ὕπνος τῆς ψυχῆς νῆψις, καὶ ἡ κάμμυσις τῶν ὀφθαλμῶν ἀληθινὴ ὅρασις, καὶ ἡ σιωπή μου ἐγκύμων τοῦ ἀγαθοῦ, καὶ ἡ τοῦ λόγου ἐκφορὰ γεννήματα ἀγαθῶν.”

For the sleep of the body was made the watchfulness of the soul, and the shutting of the eyes is true vision, and silence is pregnant of goodness, and the bearing-out of reason is the offspring of good things.
-Watch anyone who is tripping on dmt, for instance, usually their eyes will be closed or half-closed and their bodies will be stationary.

“νόησις γὰρ μόνη ὁρᾷ τὸ ἀφανές, ὡς καὶ αὐτὴ
ἀφανὴς οὖσα.”

For noesis alone sees the invisible, as itself
being invisible.

I’ve written quite a lot wiz. Tell me if this was helpful and/or if you have any more questions. One of my most favorite greek sentences is: ἕτερος εξ ἕτερου γενομενος σοφός. Which literally means: one from out of another made wise. So in sum to say: I’m always glad to help another learn.

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I like to ponder these things sometimes, like how the sun and moon could've been born from the earth and the stars from the two luminaries, honestly I haven't thought about it in a while which is a shame

 No.325677

Oh, that is such an elevated thing to talk about on a shithole like this.

 No.325678

>>325677
let's be king once in our pittyful life

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>>325674
>>325672
do people in ancient times were always under drugs when about godly/supernatural things? because it irritates me everything was about drugs.
also, what do you say about the first time something was about the emerald tablet/trismegistus was a paper written in arabic.
also I'm admirative of your esoteric knowledge and on alchemy too. I wish I was acknowledgable in alchemy

 No.325757

>>325678
Agreed!

 No.325859

>>325677
This site is not a shithole

 No.325860

>>325859
You have zero standards.



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