/wiz/ - Wizardry★

>>220308 (OP)
you can still adopt a daughterfu

realize that even if you have kids, the BEST case scenario is that they get well-socialized and become just another braindead consumer retard. your son will either be an invcel like you because he inherited your genetics, meek personality or mental illnesses. or he will be a beta male that doesn't question anything slaving away at a job for a wife and kids (if he's lucky), or a faggot. your daughter will be a whore or a secret whore, not much variety there. and that's your legacy bro.

none of this seems worth it when you calculate the sheer cost of raising them, having to put up with a bitch wife and her demands, and also all the effort you have to put in to steer them away from bad shit and even then, they might just flip the switch once they hit 18 anyway, like most brainwashed mormon and amish kids do and become even bigger degenerates as if to somehow compensate for what they missed out on.

"continuing your lineage" is just another abstract spook meme. humans are profoundly disappointing and putting it all in on some brats that you have no real control over is retarded. none of it matters when you die anyway.

if you want to have kids because you like the idea of making more little humans, then that's fine. you can enjoy being a father in the moment, but don't delude yourself you're leaving some big mark on the world or that it matters in the big scheme of things.

>>220308 (OP)
I dunno if it breaks rule. But I fantasize about a succubus who has a chip for a brain. And we love each other and unlike other succubi she has a purpose to be with me because she was made for me. It's the only thing that keeps me sane. Although I am already insane as today my waitress caught me talking to my imaginary girlfriend. We were talking about the food and taking the car for a spin near some parks. And my waitress was creeped out by me.

>>220312
based
always remember to put feart inside normalfags

Just binge on pessimistic and antinatalist content

>>220308 (OP)
Get off this website if you are not content with being a virgin.

>>220347
There are plenty of ways to be a parent without biologically siring the baby. Adoption being the most common..

Almost all (not all) men want to raise a kid because it's a primal, ancient biological instinct.
But it isn't something society or nature allows for every succubus or man. In fact, it requires tons of good luck and circumstance to happen.

A great portion of people who want a kid can never have one. No matter how rich or determined. It's a major blessing to have even one baby, yet assholes throw that opportunity away and raise them horribly in front of an iPad.

>>220347
I am content with my wizard lifestyle. I have no desire to be with a succubus. I just have these fleeting thoughts of wanting to have a child to raise.

>>220345
Another round of Cioran

>>220353
because it's not a blessing to have a shit ton of responsibility in your life. Which is why most are neglected.
>>220345
Why the fuck does it have to be pessimistic?
>>220347
This. I thought the rules said the same?

Why should you? I mean, you can live with that desire like the rest of males who never get to reproduce.

>>220310
this
>>220308 (OP)
just understand you're a modern day serf and your 'lineage' is worth shit.

You children will probably have a worse life than you, spare them the misery.

>>220680
Not being able to, doesn't mean the crippling desire isn't there in the background nagging at you daily.

Especially as you age more and more, and start seeing things like video games or tv shows as meaningless background noise in the scheme of life.

The feeling can be squashed for a while with alcohol or drugs but then it comes back again.
It is painful and brutal to realize you were rejected from the human gene pool completely and nobody wishes to see it continue.

We are still animals at the core. Not machines. Things like this cause immense psychological torture.

>>220308 (OP)
Think about how many disasters those children could suffer after being born. research antinatalists, imagine them reprimanding you for having conceived them into this world into a suddenly horrible age after their mother just died before their eyes, knowing that they would stay disabled after some disaster that will make them entirely dependant on you because their futures got destroyed due to human inability to supress irreversible misfortune.

Also, knowing that they might grow very differently as people, than the ones you fantasize with. You could even find you hate them with bitter regret.

>>220930
The human gene pool is cursed and we are part of the proofs about it.

>>220353
>Almost all (not all) men want to raise a kid because it's a primal, ancient biological instinct.
You are avoiding answering the question of why you want children. The key is in this. Our biology manifests as psychology, thoughts, feelings, rationality. Your brain makes a world view, life plan and expectations. I think if the desire is still there then you haven't truly given up on it, and you still have a dilemma about whether to try to achieve it or not. You could either give up, accept that you dont know if it will happen and accept both scenarios without struggling, or make a concerted effort to breed. You suffer because you are conflicted.

>>221740
Nobody truly and fully gets rid of the impulse and subconscious desire to multiply, because it's what hundreds of thousands of people directly up your bloodline did for eons and which ultimately made you exist.

Even the most hardliner antinatalist has the occassional intrusive "what if" thought and imagines how his son would look like himself, propagating the endless life cycle.

>>220930
>"we are animals and not machines!"
>"I'm programmed to want X"

So which one is it?

>>221747
Simply wrong. I've never been attracted to succubi, in my late 30s and have never had an urge like that in my life. The idea is completely alien and horrifies me. Stop making ridiculous unjustified claims.

>>220308 (OP)
Children are brought into the world to suffer fates like the ones of Junk Furuta or Jacqueline Saburido.

You should pratice semen retention. Unless you have no urges, then you could edge safely. To work that energy, which is stagnant as infatuation.

>>221753
Then you're gay. All straight men who have a working dick have jacked off to succubi or the thought of them.

>>222083
your point?

>>222083
You haven't been on the internet long enough.
There are some really weird dudes out there, including onea who spent their whole lives lusting for animals, ones whose dicks are fully functioning but for whatever reason they have zero sexual interest, and ultra rare dudes who exclusively get off to objects like cars and trains.

>>222083
Shut up and let the true schizo presume his epic coldness

>>222089
I doubt the ultra rares who are only attracted to cars, reindeer, cats etc. qualify as "straight" which means heterosexual which means wanting the opposite gender of your own species.

You can't because that's your biological imperative.

That's exactly why you were born, your DNA wants you to reproduce and cares about nothing else.

>>222359
ok NPC

>>222359
Pretty much. We exist because of it. There's nothing much else besides distractions.

The real situation to acknowledge is that no children will be free in the world to come, unless they are children of the selected elites. Any children you have would be slaves to those elites. They will be raped, scourged, shamed, and much worse. I don't know how to describe the living Hell this world is becoming… and pretty much everything to start the cycle is already here, or has always been here. There are no more pretenses that you or your child can "escape" what they want.

It shouldn't be this way. None of this will produce anything good. The rulers simply hate us that much, and they convinced enough assholes to go along with it because humans don't know anything else. They don't believe in the things we believe in, and they never will.

One of their tricks is to make this all about personal morals and ethics, without regard to the institutions and the world outside of them, and say it's all about your choices. It's funny how every single choice leads to the same outcome and yet they talk about "choice, choice, choice" precisely at the historical epoch where there were no more choices.

I can't describe here just how wrong the notion of a "free society" has been.

I should also add historically, humans have not been prolific breeders. Periods of mass culling and horrific death are the most common periods of human history, and on top of that, humans simply do not reproduce in situations where they know it is futile, nor do they possess means to feed children. For most societies the problem wasn't "too many people", but the exact opposite. People of all classes had little interest in producing offspring, and what offspring they made were usually for family labor, which meant child slavery on the farm. Human reproduction under serfdom was abysmally low, and new serfs were deposited from the "surplus population" of the well off and elites when they were sufficiently removed from their favored families. That has been the aristocracy's game throughout history; get the poor to kill each other in internecine wars, while elite men fuck poor succubi or drop off their "worthless" sons and daughters if they are distant enough. Failed men had nowhere to go except serfdom, slavery, or some other unfree status. And so, the population of the poor, who are too immiserated to really reproduce on their own, is periodically "stimulated" by these castoffs of the better-off in cities or manors, and it is the aristocracy that hosts orgies and "fertility rites" to stimulate the births they want, so that the aristocratic mindset is selected for and the poor do not build a society independent of aristocracy. Most of all, the poor are not to hold any of their own ideas, their own technology, or their own institutions. If any of those things happen, the underclasses see that their condition is very clearly created by malicious behavior of those above them, and they need no excuses from the rulers justifying this over-the-top brutality.

All of that said, the desire to have children is not a rational one or one you can "trick" yourself to destroy by reasons or justifications. It's very basic to want, on some level, to continue yourself beyond your own body, and the sexual impulse is one vehicle for this and one with peculiar motivations. The only way to really "solve" this is to channel the desire to continue yourself in another place. Hence the common "cope" was belief in an afterlife of some sort where this terror didn't apply, since the afterlife couldn't be taken away from you if you really charted a path and figured out the secret of it. The afterlife has nothing to do with some aristocratic death cult telling you to sacrifice to please fake gods. It's always been a world apart from this in nearly every respect. We went there because there was never anything great for us in society. It's a shame, because the material world didn't do anything to us. It gave us all of our goods, protected us against the malice of humans since humans are always limited creatures, and has made clear the consequences of this ruinous society to all. It's pretty much impossible to look at what has been done plainly and think anything about this society is tolerable or should be continued as it is.

So basically, I channel such things to my desire for the "afterlife"… which I can visit now, rather than in the future. You go insane if you do that, but it was what I had to do very early on. Many of the people here likely have done what was needed, but may not understand it as "that" yet, with sufficient standard of comparison to know what the afterlife entailed in proper religious thought. Basically, you have to get over the conceit that life has any foundational value to the universe, and see that the universe is almost entirely dead, and that we have already made contact with that dead world and are "part-dead" already. Life does not have the meaning assigned to it by the bad philosophies we are forced to tolerate. In the past, this was more explicit. The spiritual matters were very much about unliving thing, and life was just a temporal event that began and ended. Nearly all of our higher thought comes from the "unliving" world.

>>222490
Unless you manage to gather them a trust fund or paid off home/family house that ensures them total freedom from slavery and exploitation.

Not that I could even if playing devils advocate. I'll gladly die without children because I cannot provide them freedom and security against the ever-enshittified planet we live on.

>>220308 (OP)
Visit a children cancer ward or children hospital. Read about the cases of child abduction and rape. Read about child abuse and bullying in schools. Watch gore videos. Change the diapers of your relative's kid for a week.

This universe is evil.

>>222497
The universe is okay. It's humanity with it's fucked up gene strains that created and replicated way too many psychopaths that makes this planet the hellhole it is.

In a tribal stone age society you have 500 people and maybe 5 psychopaths.
If they start acting out too much they can just easily be culled by everyone else.

In the modern world you have 50 million or even over a billion people in a single society.
That means hundreds of thousands to millions of psychopaths are now roaming around creating unimaginable destruction and pain to other people.

The real scourge of humanity is psychopaths.
Due to the way they are hard-wired, they also occupy most political posts in every single country on Earth.

>>220308 (OP)
The other day i was talking with my mom about this, and i told her that one of my principal reasons to not wanting to have kids is that everything is so shit right now, and i would probably want to shield them against everything, and that would probably hamper their social development and probably would end worse than me.

>>222603
What was her response?

>>220308 (OP)
You're born hating kids it's not something you can condition yourself into

>>222696
Opposite for me. I know I'm not fit for a relationship nor would any succubus agree to 9 months of childbearibg for my genetics.

But it doesn't stop me from dreaming of having small copies of me, who I'd take to the park, eat ice cream with, put in daycare, put to sleep etc.

And even as a recluse, those thoughts are very invasive and abrupt because they stem from a very deep biological impulse.
I can avoid those thoughts during the daytime but they often invade me in my sleep, where I already have some sons and daughters.

They keep reappearing during my sleep and talk, have emotions, voices etc. so it's as if my subconscious is telling me I'm supposed to be living like this but I'm not.
Doesn't happen all the time though, maybe 2-4 times a month.

Why? So they can suffer and end up on wizchan like you? Have some sympathy for yourself and by proxy for your unborn kin

I hate seeing this disgusting dead roach every time i go here. TY op.

>>222705
You can hide the picture or the thread afaik.