No.220342
if you can't have sex any time you want with whomever you want, you're basically an invcel. only like the top 1% of guys are immune to this label, the rest settle for what they can get or cope with having nothing. it might seem funny but even married guys can be invcels since the wife puts out like once a month, or stops giving their husbands sex entirely (see r/deadbedrooms)
No.220349
>>220343involuntary celibate -> being celibate involuntarily -> not getting sex when you want it
it's just what the word literally means. you could be a invcel with a gf or wife, you could have had sex many times, but become invcel during a certain period. it could also be your entire personality and describe your entire sex life. perhaps it's more like a spectrum of invceldom.
No.220351
>>220349Yes, but instead of the actual meaning, normies have hijacked the term to mean ugly men who hate succubi.
They don't understand they themselves might very well be the thing they mock (íncels) due to being in a sexless marriage for the 5th year against their will.
Normies twist and turn terms to avoid social shame and status degradation. They are primitive tiktok chimpanzees.
No.220367
Crab terminology is not welcome on this website, hence the wordfilter. Fuck off. The terminology never made sense at all. Why arent those evading the wordfilter being banned?
No.220381
Words change with time and depending on the community using them. To most people, a crab is a misogynist low-status male, that's it.
No.220383
>>220382celibacy as it's properly defined, is voluntarily abstaining from sex and relationships. so involuntary celibate was always a retarded misnomer. you start being celibate from the moment you want to be one, but invcel implies that your sexlessness is something that happens to you. for how long? no definitive period, but people will say once it's seen as sad and pathetic. how long of a period are you willing to admit? couple months and it's just a "dry spell", but couple years and people might look at you like a creep, what's wrong with you that no wuhman wanted to sex you up? must be doing something wrong!
No.220384
>>220383Voluntary is when monks, clerics or laypersons make a celibacy vow out of their own free will and gain happiness from it.
Involuntary celibacy is when a weird ugly redditor weeaboo spends ages 18-30 trying to hit on succubi with precisely zero results, besides being told to get lost.
There are other subsets of involuntary celibates too, like somewhat autistic or eccentric men who would like to have a family or relationships, but are virgins at 40 because they are physically unattractive and have weird mannerisms.
The site rules say anyone who is a virgin past 18 qualifies, but I think there's a big distinction between a monk choosing it for life vs. a failed normie having it forced down his throat against his will.
The latter are just men that zero succubi alive feel any attraction towards.
No.220386
>>220384>monks, clerics or laypersons make a celibacy vow out of their own free will and gain happiness from itthis doesn't happen anymore, monks are just homeless normalfags these days or beaten down chudcels
being unattractive, unable to get a gf, and still wanting a relationship doesn't make one an inkcel as these things are both a product of our time and also in our nature
only 50% of men throughout history ever reproduced, does that mean that the rest 50% that didn't are all voluntary celibates? it's retarded to assume that they were anything besides just sexless normalfags
same way it's retarded as fuck to assume any virgin who wants a relationship or a gf is a crab or inkcel
No.220449
>>220442this
also narcissistic normies never wonder why there is such a boom of lonely, unhappy men nowadays
all that matters to them is that they are doing better than le crabs, so they ridicule le crabs to distance themselves from the "losers" (makes them think they are winners)
normies have absolutely zero uncoditional compassion, and yet they call losers selfish for not being aggressive, competing predators
No.220461
>>220393There were "do volcel wizards even exist if no succubus alive wants them in the first place" wars at the start of 2024 on wizchan and it got half of the 20 people posting on this website banned.
I'd just leave the subject at that and move on.
Technically, even the ugliest most hideous socially inept man alive can choose to be a volcel (for example he refuses to engage in homosexuality with very ugly gay men even if he had the chance to do so).
No.220932
>>220530I mean, that's exactly what the definition is. Wanting a gf or at least casual sex, but being unable to ever experience it.
That means at least 30-50% of men in the post millennial generations are íncels.
They are not volcels or wizards because they actively pursue those things for years and decades with zero results and lament about it in columns, blogs, imageboards and discords.
Hence, their celibacy is involuntary.
No.220944
>>220340They just don't have honor enough to determine that whoever stops himself from falling for a despicable female, no matter how alluring they be.
But normalcattle is named like so for a reason, these are minds who do not seem to give intrinsic importance to anything nor able to interpretate such importance from nothing when things have it. So they base theirselves on vague ideas of triumph and how to fit in, without caring much about the actual implications of what it's done for the sake of so.
No.220945
>>220944Ultimately the only reason is to have a kid. 98% of all normie actions and behaviors are geared to maximize the chances of having a baby or several babies.
Not all succeed, but it's incredibly clear just how animalistic and primitive we are as a whole if you just look around for 5 minutes and analyze.
We aren't noble or admirable. We're just base animals who can talk and build/use tools.
No.221015
>>220340Involuntary Celibacy is a spectrum.
I would say the 3 things that go into it are:
- Desire/Desperation (if there is 0 desire you are a volcel)
- Inability (eg. Asperger making it harder to find a partner or being physically repulsive)… if you are able and desperate… why haven't you?)
- Duration (How long since last encounter/relationship)…I recall 6 months being thrown around but you could argue desperation also plays a role to shortern or lengthen the timespan. Kind of hard to "measure" so you could argue for or against this 3rd metric.
If a guy who desperately wants sex, has it EXACTLY once (say he found a succubus succubus has a fetish for taking V-cards and managed to get a one night stand) in his 30s and is now in his 50s , is he not a crab?
He is no longer a virgin hence no longer fits "Wizard" or a "truecel" but he isn't a incubus banging chicks left and right either let's be real for a second. He will suffer about the same as your average crab save for knowing what sex feels like (but not having it) untill he either finds a relationship or his sex drive and desire to have a relationship fades due to age , dementia or death.
>>220354That is why we have terms like truecel and wizard.
If you only ate food once a month and you only got scraps.
Just because the starving kid in middle of nowhere Zimbabue managed to get some bread crumbs every once in a while it doesn't mean he is dining like a king for eternity all the sudden.
Obviously better than the one who isn't even getting the scraps, but bring both to the doctor and neither are in the best state , both are still living in a famine.
No.221042
It's for the same reason they label themselves as anything really, from otaku or weeb, neet, then to autist and schizo. From 'programmer' to philosopher, literati et al.
The fundamental objective of all this, conscious or otherwise, doesn't primarily lie in their need to distinguish themselves as an individual, from and within the countless inextricable social networks they've deliberately entrapped themselves in, aptly assuming the form of a Daedalian labyrinth, though here there's actual concern for them, but more pressingly and ultimately in fiery pursuit toward a desire of eliminating all hierarchy, all things equal, a perfect stage from which to therefore instill any plague of their selection. Grounds for absolute control.
To that end, all labels are endowed, but before I go into more detail on this, I'd like to write more about that social Daedalian labyrinth.
You see, just as the labyrinth had its beast the Minotaur, for which a sacrifice of 14 was directed toward, all this arranged by Minos, the 'normalfag' and the labyrinth entrapping him are much the same, only now the beast confronting him is 'Worldview', his role yet sacrificial, and the arranger his own will.
Yes, his own will.
Then, what circumstances led to that? my answer goes thus: the world is, in a way, allowed to be a created aggregate crafted by the many wills and imaginings each individual possesses, an amorphous totality whose external contents are susceptible to alteration, yet not perfect displacement, provided enough influence, and here, the courier for this influence assumes the form of language, but that's neither here nor there. So, at any rate, the normalfag, weak in his imposition of his own will, and uninitiated in the means to defend against others, by nature's accord, is consumed by their exertion of their own wills, at which point, subsumed, rendered subservient, and here two things happen:
(A) The subsumed -henceforth simply 'consumed'- will, recognizing its enthralling, fully kills itself, but although doing so, its material counterpart yet remains, living on, consequently, as a perfect slave to the consumer will.
(B) The consumed will, recognizing its enthralling, half kills itself, such that it now only reluctantly exercises the will of its consumer, and maintains a struggle with the remaining half, an exercise in futility, an objective only to loosen the shackles, never actually ridding them. Now, acknowledging its inability to create adequate influence to distinguish itself from the consumer will, for a half dead will can never resist a full one, never mind a full one binding you, it therefore latches onto a stronger will and its spawn, this 'will' targeted with a measure of being as distinct enough from the consumer will as possible, to generate potent incongruity, otherwise the 'loosening' won't be as effective.
Finally, from this emerges the oddity explained, of a perfectly ordinary person calling himself a wizard, an otaku, a neet, a schizoid and so on, so forth, as these characters, so to speak, are in the greatest irony, possessive of that sufficiently incongruent, and sufficiently exertive, will. By all accounts, the latching-will should be trying its best to assimilate into its decided-will as successfully as possible, but even this intention, fueled with the throes of death, is perturbed and betrayed, owing to the combination of its subjugation with that consumer will, added with its own inherent weakness, these forever barring it from the actual thing, and any real sincerity. This, too, explains the inexplicable absurdity of walking into a group of otaku and screaming against loli, or of some malicious translator and localizor, or someone going to any chan and calling its userbase 'crab'.
All this, anyway, surprisingly only the partial matter, a type of preamble, but quite significant nonetheless, for as stated earlier, the crux of the objective lies in eliminating all hierarchy, so as to avoid this described debacle entirely. The normalfag, while no vestige of humanity appears traceable in him, somehow is human, and doesn't want to be enslaved without first putting up 'battle'. More specifically, the will behind each corporeal existence isn't prepared to conform, but knowing of this inevitability due to the implicit self-awareness of its own inferiority, creates a mayhem prior to its consumption, once more all in futility. It seeks to destroy, to narrow down its would be masters, and thus infiltrates everything everywhere, exerting its influence to try and change the contours of the world into nothing but gray, that in doing so escapes the shackle, or else owns it, and can at any point escape it.
Like that, you get, again, a perfectly ordinary guy on wizchan.
This disease is quite like what trannies, gays and lesbians, the entire lgbt crowd, are doing these days, in that they endeavor, in their will, to control the amorphous externalities and endow it with such a shape and axiom which normalizes, in fact actively spreads, their malady. An objectively all simply to stabilize their intrinsically unstable will, this one unlike the normalfags in how it's prepared to instantly erase itself with no compunction, at the onset, knowing of its poisoned self, hence their suicides, but anyway, it's futile, for at any rate the amorphous externality never is permanently anchored, always ready to change, and in fact changing, perhaps why their cause to corrupt is indefinite and everywhere, nor does it, also, sooth them, giving to their satanically charged mission, as to this end only the core of the world, ordained by God as fixed and editable only by him, can do so, and God's command of the as-is never will change, as he's said, and he keeps to truth alone, hence succubus is succubus and man is man, the sun is the sun and the moon is the moon, forevermore.