No.220551
Being skinnyfat is /wiz/ manifest on your body. It's through no fault of your own that it happens: you didn't overeat, nor were you particularly lazy. Rather, being socially and mentally deficient forced you inside, where you moved less and less vigorously than the average normalfaggot child would.
The normalfaggot child, through no skill, hard work, or determination of their own, built a genetically normal amount of muscle over a long period of time just by being outside and moving with their other normalfaggot friends. They ate more than you, they enjoyed the fruits of life more than you, and they worked so much less harder than you— and they were rewarded for it with physical desirability.
The normalfaggot, then grown up, grows arrogant, and thinks themselves special, even though they put no effort into the good things that life and their sociability gave them. With this attitude set, they spit venom at the lazy, ugly, disgusting skinnyfat people.
Fuck this condition.
No.220554
There is also scientific evidence that stress and social rejection causes fat to be distributed in the stomach. Similarly biology is observed with other primates that have social hierarchies
No.220558
I think skinnyfat really is the result of overeating. I mean if you eat less carbs you'll just be skinny, which is better than skinnyfat imo.
No.220559
Same I too am skinnyfat, short, and brown. God fucked me right in the asshole. It doesn't end there I also have problems with my dick, and ofc I am low IQ and poor. I could write an entire thesis about my condition but you get the idea what things are like. Even going to gym for 7 months didn't help.
>>220554Probably this.
No.220560
>>220559why are we so unlucky?
No.220561
>>220560Your body craves pleasure and has a reliable way of getting it through food. You would need an alternative pleasure in place of food, ideally one that is a result of losing fat. Normies get compliments from other people, and that is their positive feedback, that is what they look forward to when they refuse to give in to the cravings. Check this out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification#Factors_affecting_one's_ability>For a behavior modification regimen to succeed, the reward must have some value to the participant. Without a reward that is meaningful, providing delayed or immediate gratification serves little purpose, as the reward is not a strong reinforcer of the desired behavior.Unfortunately I don't know of any healthy way to lose fat by yourself. I used to be obese and I lost a lot of fat to the point where I'm skinny now, but I did that by denying myself food as a self-hate thing, I basically traded obesity for an eating disorder.
No.220562
>>220561The thing said must be a compliment to the person receiving it or be perceived as such. The person being complimented must be able to remember the thing said because it feels good. It works a bit like trauma. Trauma comes by itself and it hurts us. We try to chase away the bad thought but it comes back. Sometimes we remember the trauma ourselves to comfort ourselves in our unhappiness. A compliment is the opposite, we easily let it enter our head because it feels good and we remember the scene because it feels good. In the end, there is always a thought to disturb our tranquility for a reason which is the following: our body and brain ask us to change (then we are free to choose)
but since I'm a lazy nigger, I'll never change
>Unfortunately I don't know of any healthy way to lose fat by yourself.doing some sport? I'm lazy
No.220765
Being skinnyfat is hellish because you don't have a frame of reference as to what your "real" figure looks like. All you know is the uncanny valley, "fake" version of yourself that comes from being qualitatively healthy yet categorically obese. You are aware that you look good in clothes and possibly have an attractive face, but that's a temporary illusion and literally just lifting up your shirt instantly breaks it. What's more, this schizophrenic dysmporphia is exacerbated by normalfaggots who assume skinnyfats don't exist and will continually chide or outright force you to eat more than you need.
If you want to escape this mode you either have to push yourself to the absolute limit and reach the literal fucking zenith of your inner potential, simultaneously achieving samsara and going SSJ4;
or cross your fingers and hope you can sustain a long fast until you're nothing but skin and bones. At which point, have fun starting over from rock bottom with somehow even less muscle than you did before.
If nature vs. nurture is to believed then skinnyfat bodies are the end result of societal neglect and chronic apathy. 仕方がない
No.220768
I am strongfat.
Anime and video games as well as acting out my daydreams lead to me being very active and taking on unusual and unnecessary training regimes.
I also lift and did martial arts.
But I have a sweet tooth and low impulse control when it comes to food.
I can ignore the wiles of hoes with ease but a cupcake on sell or being given away is a temptation I can't normally resist.
No.220769
Just go the gym, bro
No.220783
>>220551I used to be just straight-up fat. I lost a lot of weight this year and I'm currently skinnyfat. I don't really look any better, it just made me find out that my bone shape is odd. Weight loss is a meme.
No.220793
>>220783>my bone shape is oddIt almost certainly isn't unless you got super scoliosis or something that actually fucks with your bone structure, which you would very much have zero question about because it has many other effects on your day to day life besides looking odd.
You probably payed no attention to body composition and didn't work out, instead losing weight by crash dieting like a succubus. That is why despite your weight going down your still probably looks bad. You still have a lot of fat with no muscle to fill out your frame.
Recomposition through exercise (resistance training) is what is needed to bring out your best.
No.220809
>>220793>Recomposition through exercise (resistance training) is what is needed to bring out your best.Too bad I'm too lazy and doing various things sitting in front of a screen is more interesting than endlessly repeating the same physical activity. Exercising feels both boring and like a waste of energy and I'm not gonna start playing a sport because that requires spending time with other people.
No.220810
>>220809find a sport you enjoy, be it swimming, cycling, riding waves, mountain climbing, literally anything as long you take pleasure from it so you can be motivated to keep doing regularly
No.220819
>society made me fat and and unhealthy by not inviting me to parties: the thread
No.220832
>>220826First sentences
>It's through no fault of your own that it happensDeflecting the blame of his own health choices away from himself (and projecting this absurd idea on to others as if we are just as cracked as he is)
>you didn't overeat, nor were you particularly lazy.He did, and he is.
>being socially and mentally deficientWhat constitutes social efficiency is decided by society as a whole. By blaming social inadequacy he is blaming society's social standards, and therefore blaming society as a whole.
>forced you insideNobody is forced inside. The prospect of being outside while perceiving himself to be socially deficient made the act of being inside more appealing than going out, so he chose to remain indoors.
>where you moved less and less vigorously than the average normalfaggot child wouldAs any lazy person would.
Sour grapes /r9k/ crab thread made as a joke to troll wizards and make Wizchan look like a site for pathetic caricatures of Gamergate era frogs.
No.220833
>>220810None of those things sound remotely appealing.
No.220834
>>220551I have two dumbells lying nearby, from now on I will lift them daily.
No.220835
>>220834so will I, then
(im not OP)
No.220839
>>220833Then find one you do find appealing or can just put on headphones and grind out while listening to something in the backround.
No.220876
>>220551I have seen everyone suffer before their deaths like animals. No one get to escape that torture of decline before your death. No amount of health will save them. You can spend 70 years in healthy and you can still suffer a horrible decline. At least people with sick bodies are aware of their decline. But for healthy people it is slap on the face.
Don't it or don't it, doesn't matters.
No.220877
>>220876*don't do it or do it
No.220882
>>220876Don't know what kind of point you are trying to make, yes, eventually age will catch up to all. Healthy living is more about being able to enjoy life for longer without serious health complications.
I have 2 childhood friends in their early 30s who wrecked their teeth by drinking soda all their life. They often complain about tooth aches, which they easily could have avoided had they not been retarded. I was never into sodas much, I'm their age and my teeth are fine and probably will be for decades to come.
Should I start following your short term thinking of "Don't it or don't it, doesn't matters." and end up with health complications much earlier than they normally would occur, because fuck it, we all die eventually.
No.221148
>>220551>only wizards are skinnyfatmost people (especially americans) are out of shape. theres no reason why you can't create a diet and exerscise routine unless you have no time or money. just because you are a wizard doesn't mean you can't walk a few miles a day and plan a diet.
No.221170
>>220882I brush my teeth every damn time afte eating something, because dental problems are not only extremely painful, they are very expensive to fix.
I can't afford a dentist or a 12000 dollar operation on my root canals. I can afford a tub of toothpaste.
No.221171
>>221148I was in very good shape (6 pack tier body fat and muscle gained with the aid of 4 times weekly training and some PED's that increase muscle mass).
Problem is, as a wizard it feels pointless to uphold and maintain. So I slowly slipped, started going to the gym once a week, then once a month, then I just started eating whatever.
And I'm no longer in shape. I was for 2-3 years, but it felt immensely pointless doing it "just for yourself" as a wizard who spends 99,9% of his time alone.
No.221172
>>221171I dont have that problem because i simply find it enjoyable to work out and my body physically feels better when i do it. It helps me to avoid pain. I am still trying to improve my posture because it got really bad after 30 yaers in front of computer. I find it hard to relate to your perspective. I dont care how i look, e.g. i just buzz my hair and wear the same clothes everyday
No.221173
>>221169
>>221169
>There's even meds that cause that as a side effect. But its still you that does it.
Dont you see the paradox there? External factors dictate our behaviour therefore we are not to blame for what we do.
No.221202
>>221201
Sure, but at the end of the day we're no different from animals. Dangle a meat skewer in front of a dog methodically trained to ignore it, and it'll still break character and ignore all his training if he's too hungry.
There are tons of people with fucked up dopamine pathways that lead lives so miserable only a portion of fat, carbs, salt, sugar can satiate.
Expecting those people to just ignore fast food that costs 2 dollars dangling in front of their face every time they pass the neighborhood store or bodega is literally asking for the impossible. After a few thousand days it's bound to happen to all of them.
I have self control not to do that, but then again I'm not those people. If my dopamine receptors were completely fried and the only joy I got out of life was from food and alcohol, I would be eating hamburgers and pizza daily just to feel *something*.
No.221244
Actually it is through fault of your own. I have lived as a sedentary neet for many years and the only times I ever got skinnyfat was when I ate like shit. If you eat a bunch of sugar basically is when it happens. You're just a naturally skinny person who is eating the same trash that obese people do.
No.221252
>>221247
>Have some muscle tears from grow muscle too fast tho. lmao.
lmao xD
be afraid of getting injured, thats what always happens to me when i have that level of enthusiasm
No.221720
>>221253
the day our suicide thread is filled with this attitude, we might as well celebrate
No.221890
>>221889
The goal for wizards isn't "losing weight" but as you said, losing body fat %.
No.221894
I lost over 35 kg last year with intermittent fasting and a ketogenic diet (=high protein, high fat, little-to-zero carbs, absolutely no sugar or processed crap.)
I started with the standard 8-16 schedule (you eat within an 8-hour window, then fast for 16 hours, which can be easily done by just skipping breakfast). Once I got used to it, I switched to a 24-hour schedule (one meal per day). The fat melted off my body like wax off a candle—about 200-300 grams per day. I was so excited about it that I even fasted for a month in December to lose the last bit of stubborn fat. This really dried me up, and people started to comment on how skinny I looked. For the first time in my life I could see my cheekbones, at that point I decided to stop and switch back to a 24h schedule because I was starting to look like Skinny Pete from Breaking Bad, lmao.
I don't necessarily recommend my somewhat extreme approach, but it certainly worked for me. I have the kind of personality that finds it easier to eat a lot once and then fast for a while, rather than eating a little several times. Now, I just have to gain some muscle by lifting weights, but the obesity issue is pretty much solved for me.
If any wizzie is interested, I highly recommend Dr. Fung's lectures and videos. They explain the why and the how behind the whole process.
No.221900
>>221894I lost 30kg on keto in my mid 20s.
Now that I'm in my 30s and my dopamine levels crashed to zero, I can't do keto.
Carbs and chocolate are some of the only things I get brief joy from within any given 24 hour period.
No.221931
>>221921
>Did you find after you lost that much weight it left saggy skin every where?
Luckily no, I was very overweight but not morbidly obese like, say, Francis (boogie2988), so my skin retained its elasticity. But I do have some faint stretch marks on my sides.
>I am doing an insane amount of exercise, literally as much as I can stand. Going to see if there's any changes after the next month and decide whether or not to start it.
80% of the job is done in the kitchen. Exercise doesn't burn as many calories as you'd think, unless it's some very intense, sustained whole-body exercise like running a marathon or rock climbing or Nordic walking or whatever. A one-hour strenuous weightlifting session will burn maybe 300 kcal, which is good (bigger muscles = more calories burned at rest) but ultimately ineffective for weight loss if you don't adjust your diet accordingly.
>I'd just be worried about losing too much weight too quickly.
You're going to lose a lot of weight at the beginning, that's normal. Most of it will be water weight as your body depletes glycogen stores. Eventually the weight loss will slow down and you'll start losing visceral fat (the stuff wrapped around your organs), which is more metabolically active. The last few kilos of subcutaneous fat will be the most stubborn, and that's where a stricter fasting regime might help you the most.
No.221961
>>221931That second part of your post in particular is important.
Practically nobody loses any significant fat through excercise and it takes a ton of effort to burn 300kcal.
But it only takes 2 seconds of willpower to not buy a chocolate bar that has 320kcal in it.
No.222076
>>220551That's fatty liver for eating crap filled with fructose syrup and high carbs and maltodextrine.
It's keto or heavy fasting to reduce that edema.
No.224298
>>220551What I've noticed is there is a strong need to work out for normalfags because they can't be the weakest one in their group of friends so they do it out of pressure that a masculine hierarchy causes. Or it's out of vanity, chasing succubi and being obsessed with how others perceive them.
If you don't care what you look like because the only one seeing you is yourself, if you don't have any outside pressure to exercise being forced on you from "friends", it's just really hard to give enough of a fuck to care about having a gym body. Its not even natural, look at laborers bodies. They're lean with a bit of fat and strong muscles that are a bit bulbous looking in the places they use them in their job. That's what the actual human form looks like, not that body builder cut ab shit. That's what a pursuit of vanity gives. Exercise sure, I do some sometime just to get my body moving and it makes me feel better. But trying to sculpt my form to be more appealing and constantly guzzling calories and being attentive about my diet is annoying and for no purpose. I just try and eat enough to not look like a starving hobo.
No.224299
>>224298100% agree
the "athletic body" may be aesthetically pleasing, but it's fake an unnatural
the only body I have respect for, is that grown as a natural consequence of physical work
purpose-grown bodies are vane and gay
No.224301
>>224299>it's fake an unnatural>the only body I have respect for, is that grown as a natural consequence of physical workIn nature, the physical work necessary to survive and provide for would give a man a bodybuilder's physique. You are 100% making shit up about what is natural and not vane because you yourself are a slob and probably someone with resentment towards a muscular physique because some buff dude once called you a slob, like I just did.
No.224304
>>224301>In nature, the physical work necessary to survive and provide for would give a man a bodybuilder's physiqueAbsolutely false. Just like among all animals there are differences, some are thin, some are fat, some are "fit" and that's because the environment they exist in is different.
Also, in nature having some excess fat on you is actually beneficial as it protects you in cases of starvation or against cold.
You seriously believe all cavemen looked like body builders? lol You can even look at primitive people who lived or live the tribal hunter/gatherer life and most of them don't look body builders, they look very thin with some muscle on them.
No.224307
>>224304>fat on you is actually beneficial as it protects you in cases of starvation or against cold.Fat does not at all protect anyone from the cold and this line alone proves that you don't know the basics of the human body or biology in general. Death from cold begins with the skin freezing which happens quicker on fat people because it is further and more insulated from the heat-producing insides, and because it receives less blood compared to lean skin. When the blood is cooled upon reaching the extremities, this coolness is insulted from the warm insides as the blood makes its way back to the heart, cooling the heart, causing it to slow and struggle. Hypothermia. Do you want to know how to actually survive starvation and cold? I'll spoiler it because it goes against your twisted reality:
having excess muscle. Human fat is like 1/8th the density of muscle, it's nutritionally flat compared to muscle, and it takes the body more energy to break it down compared to muscle. You really hate muscles, don't you?
>You can even look at primitive people who lived or live the tribal hunter/gatherer life and most of them don't look body builders, they look very thin with some muscle on them.The only living examples of tribal hunter-gatherers are niggers. We're talking about humans here.
Fucks sake, trying to discuss factual scientific concepts such as the value of muscle is impossible here now without some deranged fool insiting that everything we know about health is actually WRONG because, well, some animals are fat slobs so that means humans ought to be as well.
No.224308
>>224301Note that ethnic genetics play a strong role in this. As you have seen from bodybuilder competitions, only a high amount of testosterone makes achieving that body type possible (and they all inject it).
West Africans, Samoans and Icelandic people are the only ethnicities who can naturally get that body type through hard labor.
A vietnamese or filipino man is never going to look like that through natural hard labor. Their genetics and hormone profile are simply too different.
No.224315
>>224308>A vietnamese or filipino man is never going to look like that through natural hard labor. Their genetics and hormone profile are simply too different.That is due to diet not genetics.
Both those cultures have chronically low protein diets especially for poor laborers.
Hard to build big muscles on a diet of mainly white rice.
No.224323
>>224315I'm Indian and where I live even bodybuilders eating 250g protein daily and have very low body fat, they still don't have that muscle definition of Arnold and even at low bf% many have that pudgy pot belly. It is genetic.
They inject more peds and testosterone than Arnold ever did and they just don't look that muscular. They look like a generic European who lifted for 3 years.
No.225291
>>220551I've been thinking about this often too. When you're male and you have a friend group, there is pressure/motivation to work out as to not be dominated/ the weakest person in the social circle. Add that pressure to also wanting to appeal to succubi and its no wonder so many men work out.
When you're a volcel hikkimori who avoids society, there's no real gain in working out and its harder to keep it up because those main two motivations aren't there. I try and exercise a bit although and it does give positive benefits and relieves a bit of stress, but I don't care about shaping my body at all. Whenever gymbros talk about shaping certain muscle groups it all feels so vain. " Bro check out these deltoids. How do I adonis line maxx??". Relentless pursuit of vanity but its okay because its "healthy".
Take a look at basically any 3rd worlder villager, they have that skinnyfat bodytype. Maybe defined biceps but nothing sculpted like that. The chiseled marble statue look isn't what humans naturally look like, its forcing the body into a shape. Obesity is a giant health risk, but I feel like power lifting and constantly ripping apart your muscles isn't exactly good long term either. Think about a car, the more you drive it the more wear and tear accumulates. It doesn't get more valuable the more miles it has. A car parked on a lot for years isn't good either. I think just doing chores and going on a walk every now and then is enough. You could be the most fit person in the world and still just die of a brain aneurysm randomly. Any age after 55 seems like you're rolling the dice every day
No.225292
>>225291>there is pressure/motivation to work out as to not be dominated/ the weakest person in the social circleNo, there's pressure to work out because it's the healthy thing to do. Being sedentary in body results in a sedentary mind, and no men want to waste their time communicating with people who've let their mind turn to goo. A man who works out today is a man who will wake up stronger and smarter tomorrow. Enough with your middleschool hierarchies that revolve around "weak boys being bullied by stwong boys :( :("
No.225293
>>224301>>224299Do what feels fulfilling to you, anons. People value different things. That's okay, chasing these phantoms online reveals the things you fear the most.
No.225294
>>225292Anon, really think if someone who interacts online like you do comes across as a secure and confident person. Say whatever you want but randomly trying to taunt strangers and being antagonistic on wizchan says alot more about you than it does the people you're trying to be violent towards
No.225295
>>225294>being antagonistic on wizchan says alot more about you than it does the people you're trying to be violent towardsIt says that I'm not a pansy. You trying to de-escalate and promote sedentary lifestyles says a lot about you (that you're a fag)
No.225297
>>225295>sedentary lifestyle funny thing is, a 9 to 5 office worker with a car is also a sedentaryphage
No.225298
>>225295Of course, anon. You're definitely not insecure and unsure of yourself at all. Thats why you're the alpha male screaming fag this and that, you're not threatened at all by random strangers. No, definitely not. You totally act like a regular chad would and not some emotionally fragile autist with anger issues.
Chill out man it isnt that deep, not everyone is out to get you
No.225299
>>225297If you're not regularly taking smoke breaks from your job carrying 300+ pound industrial pipes to go deadlift and eat raw venison, can you really call yourself a man?
No.225301
>salty femboy triggered by the presence of man on a website for men, projects with sarcasm and by calling others insecure
No.225303
>>225301>triggered, "no UR projecting" goofy aaaaaaa XDi fucking LOVE being ugly to strangers online YES FINALLY more HATE in the world HAHAHA YES more petty ARGUMENTS FOREVER AND EVER TILL THE world is filled with SEETHING AND ANGER AND SHIT everyone is WRONG BUT ME. blood FOR THE BLOOD GOD
i legitimately hope one day no one has to feel like this. Look in any discussion anywhere and there is always one person being provocative and trying to start shit, its like they're possessed by a demon or something and they have to try and hurt people for sustenance. Its fucking draining, you try and treat people like they're humans capable of mistakes and they use that to try and suffocate you with it. Why are you like this anon, why is a quarter of the world population just little loosh farmers like you. Its like a hard coded instinct embedded in the human psyche to ensure there will always be conflict forever and ever. Do you feel like you want to win this? There is no winning this, if you engage at all on either side of bad faith arguments or shitflinging both sides lose. We could build each other up but tearing someone down is just too irresistible. Stamp on them. Beat them. Civil discussion is just for fags anyway, right? Lets just tear at each other until we're both bloody from spite. I forgot that this world forces you to hurt others and abandon your own innocence. No one deserves compassion or fair treatment, lets just drown together. The god of this world is one of misery and insanity
No.225306
>>225303An absolute meltdown.
No.225308
>>225306all of you interact and speak exactly the same way. Any sincerity you mock, any criticism you deflect to protect whatever it is you are. I've talked to so many people exactly like you, Ive had this same conversation so many times where all of you play the exact same cards in the same order. You are so focused on hating me that you disregard anything I actually say, if you really didn't care and were so unaffected and above everything you wouldn't feel the need to get the last word in but you have to in order to protect your own ego. None of you ever respond honestly, or with any kind of substance. Its all just the same low effort provocative comments delivered exactly the same way every single fucking time. First its the attacks on my character, deflecting all criticism by pulling the "youre projecting card", next is the " wow youre having lel melty" whenever I go offscript and show a bit of humanity. You legitimacy act like some taunting demon like in the exorcist. Just trying to cause me any kind of pain you think you can do to me.I don't know man, i don't want that for myself. Thats just a real sad ending down that path of becoming so bitter and mean you start pissing vinegar. Unironically thanks for the reminder that i still have a ways to go, I did get taunted a bit. Not as much as last time though and I'll be over this one even sooner I think.
Goodnight anon, I legitimately don't want to hate anyone. It can be a bit frustrating but you have your own reasons for acting the way you do, applying emotional pressure makes or breaks people. I have a clearer vision of who I want to be. I really don't believe someone who is at peace and clear minded and satisfied with themselves would act the way you do, in that way we are more similar than we are different. In the end, we both used each other for whatever selfish purpose we had. I hope we both are able to find our own peace with ourselves. Thank you for being an imaginary fren for this short moment in time
No.225311
>>225308I am not reading a sentence of that, and I don't believe anyone else will either.
No.226287
>>220551Found a professional-grade stationary bike by the side of the road and it still works. The mechanism that controls the level of resistance is all electromagnetic and quiet as a whisper. Gets my heart rate up decently. Omw to being a fitwiz.
No.226288
>>220558yess, it isn't a big deal, some wizards exaggerate, and I think that they like crying sometimes
No.226291
you need to seek help. and im not talking about your body
No.226323
>>221170>I can't afford a dentist or a 12000 dollar operation on my root canals. I can afford a tub of toothpasteits 25000 RUB in Moscow, broplems werent
No.227007
>>225298>>225303>>225308i enjoyed reading your battle w/ the giant enemy crab
No.227298
I do calisthenics at night in a public park. There are daylight fags who keep moving stools and concrete weights but I've never seen them as I avoid everyone and anyone. I've worked out for a year and a half and haven't talked about or told a single soul about it. Groids would probably have made hundreds of hours of vapid tiktoks or whatever.
I'm 33 and feel 20 now.
Highly recommend.
No.227318
>It's been about three months since I dont use my computer, except for useful things.
A few days ago, I stopped my routine of fapping. I don't know how it happened, I guess I just got fed up with it. I started waking up early when the sun was just rising and going for a walk on a nearby beach. I walk barefoot for a while on the grass and sand and along the shore by the water while the sun rises. I stay there, sit, alone, for a while, facing the sun, listening to the wind and sound of little waves, maybe an hour and a half, just breath or watching anything and it's peaceful, quiet and solitary, and it feels mystical. I think it helps with my sadness. Since I've been doing this, I don't feel so many worries or suicidal thoughts and everyday is less and less.
I also started doing neck exercises and others types of exercises to improve my posture. Why? I dont know, the idea just appeared in my head maybe it can be healthy. I also started reading a little bit here
/dep/>>303398
I don't feel interested in self-improvement or anything like gym muscle dudes, but I feel peace and interest in my health. Maybe a little breathwork and exercise cant be bad.
No.227324
>>227009>sickfuck wants everyone to be a sick malnourished subhuman parasite prone to sickness just like himselfNietzsche talks about this
No.227325
>>227324>Nietzsche talks about thisReally? And what does he says?
I've tried reading his "thus spoke zarathustra", but I had no patience for that stinking pile of whimsical fiction and riddles pretending to have some deeper meaning.
No.227330
Did some exercising and eating healthy for a year or so. It was a new experience but I got bored of it eventually so I dropped it. As someone who doesn't want to bother with dating and stuff like that it seems too much of a bother to me, all this fit stuff. I can understand some people just do it to be "healthy" and yeah I guess that's cool but it's not for me. I like eating delicious junk food and I like lazing around too much. Nowadays I only use exercise bike for a couple of hours a day and watch my weight so I don't get fat again, I think this is a nice middle ground for a lazy person like myself. Also, when I was trying to get fit I ended up with pretty much all of my body parts aching so much after a year that I could barely do anything so I had to stop because of the pain too. First it was my arm during push-ups, then my knee when doing squats…I'm just too weak I guess.
>>227325Zarathustra is the most overrated piece of philosophical work ever, maybe on par with Plato's works only when it comes to being overrated. Worst writing of Nietzsche by far. Read Beyond Good and Evil, The AntiChrist, Gay Science if you want to actually read meaningful stuff from him.
No.227333
>>227330>>227325>>227324>NietzscheOne day I read a summary of Nietzsche's thinking and philosophy by a anon somewhere, and basically it said that everyone should create their own ideal and philosophy without following a standard dogma such as Judeo-Christianity or wathever religion, as the ancient Greeks did and other pagans and prophets did when fighting against other dogmatic ideals of their time (before they ended up creating a new religion or destroyed other old ideas after a radical or dogmatic asshole appeared and made a goverment-control mass religion) in order to follow their own will without screwing others will over, and thus one would teach their best ideals on others who are crude and want us to be submissive and weak. A pure human focused idea. Although Nietzsche did not seem to defend social Darwinist or deterministic ideas
I believe that secular humanism as a philosophy that surpasses the rest of stupidity non-human comes close to Nietzsche's ideals bacause is focused in humanity topic or human experience than religious, political or philosophies dogma.
No.227334
>>227333>>227333You should just read him yourself and save yourself the trouble, really. Interpret him as you like, without relying on others' opinions. He is a complex writer and it's possible to draw widely different conclusions about his philosophy.
>secular humanismI wouldn't say that about his philosophy at all…If anything his ideology was a reaction to the secular humanism of his time (marxism and the cultural nihilism that came with it).
When Nietzsche says make up your own ideal he doesn't say that everyone should do whatever he wants to, oh no. It's the opposite. The powerful people shouldn't be tied down by already established morality and herd-thinking, that's what he says. Nietzsche wasn't an individualist in the sense we use that word nowadays, he was against the idea that your average everyday person decides for himself what is right or wrong. He made it clear numerous times that most people are only good for obeying commands and serving the intellectually privileged people. His ideal Übermensch-role models were all morally questionable and powerful men in history, like Caesar or Napoleon.
People nowadays like to portray Nietzsche as some anarchist or liberal but he really was a proto-nazi in many ways. Have no doubt that if he was alive at the time of Hitler, he would have approved of most of his methods and goals.