No.222414
I had to start working in my late 20s due to it no longer being possible to leech anymore (I won't go into detail about my personal situation since it's not relevant). I've been able to buy a house, a car, and have enough money to fund my hobbies however I want. That doesn't mean I'm happy, but I was able to become financially independent. It's possible if you want to do it, but you'll have to put in a lot of effort and consciously try to "move up the ladder" from a shit entry level job. If you want to get a job at your age your best bet is a temp agency since your lack of work history won't be relevant. That can get you hired on to a permanent position if you can do your job decently. That's what I did at least.
No.222415
>>222414I'll add that still living with your parents is a benefit in this situation, since you can save the majority of your money at first rather than spending it on rent, bills, etc. If you save the majority of money you make you can rack up tens of thousands of dollars over a few years (this is also what I did).
No.222416
>>222414Which field is your job in? How do you move up the ladder if you're autistic and dumb and depressed and don't have ambition?
No.222417
>>222416>Which field is your job in?I work in a manufacturing plant and currently have a lower level management position that I was promoted into.
>How do you move up the ladder if you're autisticGo to work and do your job properly and work hard. It fucking sucks, I won't lie to you. Try to visualize it like a video game if that helps. Like I said, I work in manufacturing so I kind of visualized like a crafting video game.
>and dumbI don't think I'm dumb but none of the stuff I do is rocket science anyway. No matter how dumb you are there are people dumber than you that can hold down a job.
>and depressedWhen I first started working I viewed it as a punishment that I deserved and so I worked harder to make myself suffer more. I don't feel that way anymore but I suppose it helped at the time.
>and don't have ambition?Instead of ambition recognize that you can't leech forever. Your parents will eventually die and you're going to be left to your own devices. I was raised by my mother, and she died a few years ago, and I didn't have any other family that I could depend on. If I hadn't gotten to the point that I'm at then I would be fucked. I don't think suicide is wrong (I'm not trying to give you some moral lesson) but if you want to continue living you'll have to find some way to make ends meet.
No.222418
>>222416Also "moving up the ladder" doesn't necessarily mean getting into a position like I have. At my job you get raises based on the amount of machinery you learn to operate, for example. Just going through a process like that is enough, really. I recommended a temp agency earlier. If you want to do that, it's okay to be selective. When I did that I could only work at night, since I needed to use my mother's car. They tried to give me an afternoon shift and I rejected it and they called back a few days later with a night shift job (the one I still work at).
No.222419
>>222418Do you have higher education?
No.222420
>>222419I went to a technical college in my early 20s at the behest of my mother. I have an Associate's Degree but I've never used it for anything and it's not relevant to my current job at all. Like I said I got my job through a temp agency. They don't give a shit about your experience.
No.222421
>>222413Life with parents is fucking trash. You have no freedom and they treat you like a fucking child. You'll feel their despair over their loser son even though they won't say anything, you'll their cynicism creeping in your room even though they're silent. You'll be the target of their desires and expectations and aging and dying hopes. And when they become emotionally or physically dependent on you that is the worst shit ever. Keeping all relations at arms length is the best thing if you're a Wizard and you want to hold this status. There's no such thing as moderation.
Run away from them as quick as you can. Life already fucking hard you don't need extra bondage and to suffer with it. It's best to die alone or at least away from your family because then there's no room for faggot drama and you're free to blow your brains out if that's what you desire.
Fucking run as fast as you can.
No.222422
>>222421I need a job to run. I'm close to 30, I don't have a degree, I don't have any experience or skills, I don't have any ambition, willpower or really anything that can help with jobs. I am not far mentally from being 15 years old.
No.222423
Money is freedom in this world. It won't make you happy(happiness doesn't exist, man is here to suffer the rape of existence and then die). With age you'll desire it more.
Make money!!!! If you don't have what it takes to kill yourself then make money. Have hobbies but make money.
No.222424
>>222422I understand you. But please trust me if you're at least psychically functional or healthy then make money and move away. Or maybe you're a cold man who doesn't let circumstances affect his cold heart. If you're not then make money.
Lie on your CV. Email random HR succubi. Show up at places and ask for work. Do whatever you can to get a job.
No.222425
>>222421Accurate. I feel guilty for "abandoning" my family but it is better than the alternative
No.222426
>>222425That's valid because we're human after all.
Everyman is fucked up from the inside. There's eternal loneliness inside all of us. Relations come with own baggage. There's a price on everything. If one is healthy then sure one can give a shoulder to people around you but if one is both mentally and physically fucked then how it is possible? The burden of self is already too fucking much. Some people do charity faggot shit as a cope but even that comes with bondage and danger of growing attachment with it.
Fuck monasteries. A rootless exile away from "your people" is the least shit option in my opinion(maybe because I haven't experienced it yet).
No.222428
>>222421I am nowhere near as cynical as this, but I do agree that moving out of your parents house is the most important thing for any young wizard to do.
Living with parents work with some people but if your life is enough of a mess to become a regular poster on this website then it is highly likely that your parents are a big part of the problem. Move out, face overcome some basic real world challenges and do something for yourself.
No.222430
>>222414>I've been able to buy a housewhere in the world is it possible to buy a house from a few years of working?
starting from entry level jobs
No.222431
>>222430I live in the US, just in a low cost-of-living area. I bought my house during Covid while making around $19 an hour. The key is saving your money. Take advantage of not having bills and save most of it until you've got a large chunk put back. When I bought my house I had over $30k in the bank. You also have to get your credit score up. Getting a credit card and paying it off every month will do it. If you can't get a credit card you can get a secured credit card with a down payment and then transfer to a real one, which is what I did.
No.222432
>>222431ah, so you didn't really "buy" the house with you own money, you took a loan
ironic that you left your parents to gain freedom, but you sold your freedom to the bank
No.222433
>>222432Of course I got a loan, just like anyone else does. I don't know why you'd even think otherwise. Also I didn't "leave" my mother. Her health was failing and she eventually had to stop working. When I bought my house I moved her into it with me (the place we lived in before was literally falling apart as well). She's since passed away, though.
No.222434
>>222433and you don't see the problem with taking a loan being the only option to live in a house? (which you don't even own lol)
you don't see the problem with become a slave to the bank?
do you know that this hasn't always been the case, and people in the past really could afford to buy a house with the cash they owned? after working for a few years
it's because of impatient, compromising people like you that loans have become the norm
No.222435
>>222433>>222434PS I'm sorry if I insulted you, I'm a little drunk and I'm projecting a guy I hate onto you, I'm taking out my frustration with him, on you
you don't deserve this treatment
No.222436
>>222434Fair enough. I'll answer you, though. The housing situation is what it is, for reasons beyond my control. If I hadn't done what I did, I'd currently either be dead or homeless, neither of which would fix any of this shit. Everyone's been dealt a shitty hand currently. If you want to continue living then you just have to deal with it and make what you can out of it.
No.222452
>>222434We can't go back in time to a universe where you worked as a janitor for 5 years and bought a nice 1500ft home in the suburbs.
We have to live in the current universe which is royally fucked for anyone not born rich.
No.222464
How could you not afford a pc? All I get is a few hundred a month in gibs and even I was able to save up for a PC.
No.222467
>>222464Anon might be living in a third world country where a computer with mid spects costs the average monthly wage (literally)
No.222474
>>222413I work a backbreaking minimum wage job, and I still live with my dad which is considered leeching. Literally all I do is sleep in a room with the lights off, and use his water/internet. I pay for all of my meals, and give him rent.
You're lucky compared to us slaves (with social debilitation), but we're all fucked in the long run.
No.223681
As a person with disabilities (with an s they are multiple) i live with my mother since my father passed away years ago, i live under disabled person "pension" which is barely enough for the bills
I wouldnt call my self lucky, in fact its the exact opposite
No.223735
>>222422physical labour or is your best bet
No.223817
said this in another thread, avoid blue collar/labor jobs if you NEET.
You will be dragged through hell for no benefit.
Ignore people telling you to do it, they are boomers.
No.223818
>>223817>You will be dragged through hell for no benefit.Except for a living wage, moron.
No.223819
>>223818Only in civilized northern european countries.
In most places on Earth physical labor is shit tier work with 200-400 dollars/euros monthly wage, like in Serbia.
It will not be a living wage, you will barely pay for 1 bedroom rent and some cheap dog-tier food.
No.223820
>>223819>Only in civilized northern european countries.And Spain, Portugal, USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, White South Africa, Japan, Belarus, and Taiwan. As usual, we're not talking about the third world ITT so stop generalizing with what applies only to third-world countries. It's like every time you types try to blackpill and spread despair to other users, you should have fine print at the bottom of your post that reads
"In MY specific Communist drunkard refuge"And how are the alternative White collar jobs in your Europoor "living hells" any better?
No.223821
>>223820portugal manual labor is hell, stop posting shit. we get 1000 euros a month and rent is 700
No.223822
>>223821Getting paid enough to live with money left over to save is not "hell".
No.223823
>>223822You don't buy food, clothes or gasoline ever? No bus ticket, you just stare at the walls and do nothing?
No.223830
>>223818You are a moron.
You literally do not get paid a liveable wage and the boomers running these companies are too deranged to understand why no one wants to do it.
>>223819Its like that in a lot of "1st world" countries now, owning a home is impossible, renting is impossible, everything is way too expensive, a crap job wont cover any of it, its little better than being on welfare and costs you your physical health and time
No.223831
>>223820you have no idea what you are talking about. In Australia it's impossible to get by here now and getting worse. Jobs do not pay enough to cover rent and bills and everything epse you need
No.223832
>>223831Yep. Young people have to move out of Canberra and Sydney en masse.
The only people who get by are those trust fund babies who are millionaires at age 20 by no merit of their own.
Like, you can earn 3000 a month and you will barely pay the rent on a single bedroom and food.
There are IT specialists/ultra talented coders who get 100k+ a year, but they are a 1% minority.
No.223833
I don't understand how anyone can want money so badly that they would get a job.
No.223834
>>223833Public transport sucks here and the only way to have freedom of movement is with a car.
A maintained reasonably safe car costs too much to run with neetbucks only.
And if you want a decent, comfortable, clean car instead of one that just barely runs, that costs way beyond what neetbucks can offer.
No.223835
>>223834I'm so glad I live in a 15-minute city.
No.223836
>>223833For some a job is a necessity. And even if it is technically possible to get disability bux, in many countries it's actually easier and more feasible to just get a job instead of struggling for years just to get like a quarter of what it costs to rent the cheapest shittiest place.
No.223869
>>222413>>223832Being the richest person in the nursing home won't buy back the time you lost, the experiences you postponed, or the connections you could have avoided
No.223873
>>223833I really like being indoors when it rains, my own personal bathroom I don't have to share with anyone, high speed internet, and the ability to eat whatever I want whenever I want instead of having to settle for random handouts.
Did the homeless thing. It sucks.
Having a job is way better than being homeless and destitute.
No.223890
>>223833>I don't need to work to surviveYou live on tutorial mode and still managed to fuck it up. Pathetic.
No.225663
>>222413Plot twist.
You would make a decent "artisan craft coffee" artist" - because there's plenty of room for non-essential shit to produce. Subcultures-related shit, hipster stuff, etc.
No.225755
>If I go to work, how will that benefit me?Money. And also a faint sense of dignity on stopping to be a burden to your parents. But less dignity in every other aspect.
>What are the pros towards trying to find a job as a 30+ years old NEET as opposed to trying to kill myself painlessly?You can save some money to avoid becoming a panhandler if things go south. Make some math, calculate how much you'd spend in 12 months by yourself and gather that sweet cash. Don't touch it. After you do that, save money for your PC. Trust me.
>>223833It's called survival. If you have a roof over your head, someone's paying for that. Now, (shocker, I know) there are people who doesn't have other people to grind and sweat IRL to sustain them after they hit legal age.
No.225761
>>223819Greetings neighbour. On top of it being hell, working in 35 degree weather under the scorching sun regularly, you'll be forced to keep company with tiktok addled blockheads who blast turbofolk from their JBL bluetooth loudspeakers. Trying to block out the drivel they spout by dissociating will take up a great toll on you.