/wiz/ - Wizardry★

>>222454 (OP)
You shouldn't. Go look at the market now and see whats happening. Go look at some places where graduates discuss job prospects. Look at the job openings for graduates. It would be better to get a trade like roofer, electrician, plumber, etc.

I don't know anything about you so i can't even make any guess.

what are you good at? what can you tolerate doing? those are the questions you should be asking yourself, not looking to strangers. the market is irrelevant btw. it changes too frequently. follow your own interests and inclinations, if you're good at something, you will find opportunities to use that knowledge.

Becoming a succubi is more profitable than getting a degree

>>222468
I'm good at nothing and dont enjoy anything

>>222471
you didn't accel at anything in particular in school? had a favorite class that felt relaxing and enjoyable? you don't have any kind of interests you like to read up on? are you good with computers? are you good with numbers or at least don't feel overwhelmed when dealing with them? are you good at moving your body?

>>222471
I don't think you should get a degree then

>>222472
I liked English because the teacher was kind to me and was probably the only teacher that didnt see me as weird. I was pretty good at it. I learned English mostly at home playing videogames, browsing/chatting online and watching tv shows though. I'm not native but i'm fluent now. Other than that I didn't really like any school subject. I kind of liked french (as an idea) but I sucked at it in reality.
I don't really "like" anything in an emotional sense because i'm anhedonic. I read though, I watch TV, anime, play videogames, all the usual NEET shit. I kinda liked the idea of programming/game dev but it's incredibly hard, i dont know if i'm cut out for it. I was facsinated by screenwriting in the past but it's not a real normal person career, getting a job is like winning a lottery and that's considering you can write and have soul and living imagination (I dont, im dead inside). I didnt ever really write anything all my life anyway, mostly daydreamed about writers being cool. I liked dinosaurs as a kid. I liked lots of autistic shit as a kid.
I wouldnt say im good good in computers, but ive spent a lifetime in front of one. I'd say im competent? I cant reinstall windows though lol. Numbers are hard. Never really did good at maths.
My body is feeble and weak and I'm probably one of the clumsiest and weakest men I've ever seen in my life, I'm really weak.

>>222475
english fluency is pretty valuable. immediately opens you up for various remote jobs outside of your country. if you can tolerate talking to people, then you can do various call center jobs. computers skills are also good, but if you can't reinstall windows, then even basic IT administration is out, although you could train yourself by watching tutorials or going for a generic IT degree or some kind of certification. not much you can do with writing besides shitty internet articles which requires SEO knowledge and certain scummy marketing practices.

gamedev is a pretty tough field to get into, but if you can stomach basic programming then web development is quite comfy, especially with english fluency. you can also try to get into less technical roles like quality assurance where you test software, maybe even video games if you're lucky. it can get repetitive, but it's decent work if you're used to sitting on the computer anyway.

>>222472
I'm not him, but back then, I exceled only in one subject and only one, the applicable value of which wherever you look is useless: history.
Throughout all of middle school, and high school, and eventually the senior years 12 to 13, I lamented my ineptitude in quantitative domains.
Failing an innumerable number of courses in college would later see me giving up on education, dropping out, becoming a shut-in for 8 years, later to be kicked out and becoming a watchman.

Don't bother with school if you're numerically and logically dysfunctional, or at least have some great communicative and language skills to compensate. Waste of time otherwise.

>>222478
I went to college for history but couldnt finish. I only chose this major because it's one of the few ones I could study for free.

>>222454 (OP)
math or medicine. you will have to suffer a lot but it is funny kind of suffering. i also think that both of them are very wizardy - medicine because in history you have ro be grave digger to do some research and there were lot of “magical” things doctors were doing. also you get to learn latin.
and math because you will be even bigger outcast because studying math is very isolating because even friends from your department will know almost nothing about your research. also lot of signs look like runes

No matter what you do, you can still be despised by the system and rejected from jobs, after having wasted your time in the hurry of going through the hard path just because "you had no choice".

I mean, ffs, learn Human Design. And no matter how irrational follow what suits your energy type, it saved me to still be "following the carrots" around me in despair like a mindless drone.

Beware of acting under the pressure of homogeneization. You'll suffer.

>>222520
>math or medicine
both awful choices. Working in medicine means intense, constant socialisation.
Math degrees are completely useless unless you are the top 0.1% and can be a research mathematician, and that means public speaking to teach classes and interact with other researchers.

>>222626
What are the good choices? A lot of people say CS, but apparently CS is giga dead now?

>>222628
everything is dead, degrees arent enough to get jobs in general. CS is probably only becoming as dead as other fields.

General engineering, electrical engineering, then follow up with a welding and machining certification set.

Do NOT doing anything that requires programming. It's an over-saturated market, with no demand, is already backed up with overseas remote work, and is soon going to be managed by AI.

>>222629
It still means that having a degree is better than no degree, right? I mean people without degrees are something like subhuman, right?

>>222631
>I mean people without degrees are something like subhuman, right?
What the fuck? No, not at all, by anyone's stamdards.

If your degree is free then just major in whatever interests you. Degrees are useless anyway so you might as well make the most of it.

>>222632
Well my parents think people without degrees are subhuman. Most of employers use having a degree as a cutoff, to them having a degree means "at least this person is not clinically retarded". At least in my country.

>>222636
I used to work for a recruiting agency; people without degrees didn't even get their CVs digitised - they were not as a rule worth the effort.

>>222636
>>222638
if you're unemployable anyway then there's no difference.
If you're a socially capable wiz that believes he will be able to work one day then sure get in the normie race, start networking and getting internships etc. A half-hearted effort will only harm you, so pick a road

>>222636
That, while medical industry is absolutely sold out to pharma scams. And that's just an example about every other else.

>>222454 (OP)
any field where there is always a demand
>medical(people will always have health problems)
>law(people will always have disputes)
>trades(people are to lazy to learn to do things themselves, so you do it for them)
most jobs requires socialization, you are not getting away from it.
I would like to add programming and IT, but unfortunately companies have become super picky.
one way to circumvent this, might be to develop your own software and try selling them.
But it's a massive gamble, even if you give it your all you can still end up with no success. not to mention the massive amount of work.
psychonauts is an example of a high-effort team project that ended up as a commercial failure. if it can happen to AAA studio, it can happen to indie-devs as well.

>>222638
Could I reword that? I'm not sure I understood. You mean people knew they're unemployable so they didn't even have a CV if they had no degree?

>>222640
I didn't understand this reply either.

I kinda want to commit suicide instead. People will always ask about the resume gap. Having no degree and no job experience at 30 is absurdly pathetic. In my country even if you waste a year most employers would think you're a freak. I wish I did my degree in humanities even if I hated it because having a diploma is at least something. Having nothing at all is a death sentence.

>>222643
to be honest why do they even care?
As long as you are capable of carrying
out they work they ask for. Why does it matter?
Since I am out job hunting right now, might as well try if given the chance
if they ask me why I have a gap, will will just respond with "why do you care?"
just to see what happens.

>>222644
Can I carry out their work? I'm not sure about that.

>>222644

My CV has a 19 year gap and nobody gives a shit because I do hvac installments as a contractor, and I do my job well. Nobody cares about my depressed youth. All they care about is the present moment.

CV only matters if you apply to work among normie companies.

>>222646
how do I found non normalfag companies???

i got a degree in accounting during covid but i never ended up getting a job after college. i dont know how i would explain my 2 years of not working after graduating and no work experience in general. i heard you can just make shit up but getting caught up in a lie seems more stressful than NEETing so im unemployed for the time being. basically if you have any work experience or an intership in your last year of college you should be set to get a job no matter what your degree is so do something you enjoy so that you pursue an intership which will open many doors.

>>222642
Sure
I'm a britfag and we have a fine grain higher education and degree system here.

Instead of "community college degree" or whatever, it's a National Qualification (NQ) which is a one year course in a college/university setting for learning which, if you don't want to continue with after the year, you graduate with a dinky little certificate. You can then go on to a second 1 year course called a HNC, from there to a third year course called a HND, from there directly into a bachelors degree (3rd year in university), from there to a masters - I personally did this. So after mandatory schooling, you can spend 1-5 years according to your ability and get a corresponding recognition of and certification in something to that 'degree' of skill.

Since it's so easy and - at least when I was doing recruitment - free for most people, if you *didn't* have that at least, it was a reasonable assumption there was something wrong with you and we, the recruiting agency, presenting you to our clients would look bad on *us*, never mind *you*. Therefore, without a degree of some kind we didn't waste the man-hour turning your cv into a product we could sell to an employer.

That was before OpenAI automation. I dread to think what it's like now.

>>222454 (OP)
As a comp eng major I would advise you to only go into this field if you're really passionate about it. Competition is insane, the market is saturated and it's a field that can easily be offshored. Of course, a handful of skilled engineers will always do a better job than a horde of low paid jeets but that doesn't matter to the people who run the business and only care about profits. And competition for those jobs who are still seeking local talent is getting more and more fierce.
Depending on where you live the trades might be an option but here anything except the really shitty ones (anything regarding buildings) are underpaid as fuck, which is why I didn't become a carpenter instead.
Maybe electrical engineering or structural engineering or something in the direction of medicine might be more 'future proof'. Either way you will have to make it through 3-4 years of school/college first. Good luck wizzie, it's tough out there.

>>222650
That's what I feared, in my country it's the same. Everyone has bachelors in something, people without diploma are either geniuses who found well-paying job very early in life or socially and mentally failed autists like me. I need to suicide.

can someone tell me how to get into college online? i live in the us and i think im vaguely interested in STEM stuff due to my interest in programming/math (im not really that great at either but i think theyre cool)