/wiz/ - Wizardry

>>223244
I'm not looking for advice; I want to discuss this phenomena

I cant relate to that. Maybe you were exposed to too much romance psyop media during your formative years. Go outside and before not too long you'll see some animals try to rape each other. Cultural views of relationships and societal expectations are illusions created to try to manipulate you. More truth can be found in biology and the role of reproductive fitness in evolution.

>>223247
Yeah, I didn't need "blackpill content on tiktok" or youtube videos on what reality looks like.
None of us even had internet in the early 90s and what little of it existed had no impact on society.

All I had to do was observe nature between ages 8-13. Snapped me out of romanticism and idealism pretty well, and permanently.

Never cared tbh. Lived twenty-five years of my life completely oblivious to love and sex and it jever crossed my mind that I should seek it out. Then, I had a shirt phase where I stumbled upon crab content and was miserable because tfw no gf. I quickly snapped out of it because I realized that I actually don't care and all of it were just crab thoughts transplanted I to my brain due to cultural osmosis. When I stopped reading crab shit, I immediately forgot that sex exists. Feels good.

>>223256
literally me, wizanon.

>>223247
>Maybe you were exposed to too much romance psyop media during your formative years
Quite the opposite. All I read were technical books and some fiction, even less fictional romance. My home wasn't a romantically inclined place, so maybe the vacuum caused a fixation. But just because you don't percieve it doesn't mean there's nothing to the observation.
>>223248
You're thinking about it too abstractly. Put yourself into the mind of a teenager (the one you might've used to be) and think about being surrounded by attractive potential partners who were, to a certain extent, of the same disposition as you. See if you can remember what is was like before the wizardry mindset set in and, instead of thinking in academic abstrcations, think of the gut feelings you had during that time. Now contrast that to your current feelings on sex and romance and try to connect the dots.
Your picture is unecessary btw. It does nothiung for your argument nor does it make you appear more intelligent
>>223253
>>223256
The romantic ideal and romance in general is intrinsically tied to comfort. If you don't have a reason to seek comfort outside of yourself I would have to believe you either had a very comfortable, loveless life or you have some mental syndrome that prevents you from seeking it out. I am a relatively solitary person but I don't care to deny my nature as a comfort seeker. Of course that isn't to say anything bad about wizardry, but the mindset a lot of young (25 is young nowadays) men have to support the practice is rather reactionary and short-lived due to how it opposes the natural inclications of consciousness.

I just started seeing sex as childish rather than what adults do. Just imagine having to interact with an 15 year old and they will probably value sex money and drugs above all else. Normgrouids never grow out of that phase.

>>223304
>I just started seeing sex as childish
It is!

>>223306
see, if I didn't have this at the time then I don't want any of it now

>>223301
>I would have to believe you either had a very comfortable, loveless life or you have some mental syndrome that prevents you from seeking it out.
Well, I do have a mental syndrome, but that's beside the point.
I don't want to give an anime villain speech, but love is terrible if you are somewhat "defective" (ugly, mentally ill etc). It's extremely conditional and when you have nothing to offer, you become a doormat to be loved. But what comes of it? People hate doormats and they love punching down. If you dare to want to be loved as a wiz, get ready to be used and discarded and living in fear and paranoia.
I don't talk about romantic love strictly…
The point stands. That lovey dovey, capital L luuuv is only for winners in life. Anyone else? It's the reason to abuse them. Deadbeat alcoholic husbandands beating the ever living shit out of their wifes, wifes cheating/babytrapping/cuckloding their husbands… how many children were beaten and neglected. And all of that was done because of so-called love. Normies don't have it easy either.
Look around and see what people do. Romantic love exists only in high school romcom animes.

>>223307
Replace "sex" with anything and you've figured out a profound truth about society. The fact that most people prefer a transactional way of life more than a spontaneous way of life and the fact that philosophy and religion have been pointing this out for centuries prove that most people are indeed robots, NPC's or at least somehow inhuman.

>>223340
Machine is an euphenism for 'animal'. Even Jung wasn't above feeling ashamed for being a base animal.

>>223342
>Machine is an euphenism for 'animal'.
The human machine is worse than the human animal because an animal does not build a symbolic prison for itself and others on top of the already existing structure. An animal does not calculate, rationalize and further optimize the efficiency and effectiveness of its behavior. Consciousness has been abused to amplify the worse traits.

least obvious crab thread on this site

>>223256
>never cared
>proceeds to explain how much he cared and how miserable he was because of not getting any
wut?

>>223242
Sounds like impotence and sounds like someone should fuck off back to reddit with their normalfag shit.

>>223328
>Romantic love exists only in high school romcom animes.
Not at all, but its very, very rare and even more rarely it lasts long.

In my opinion, it has lost its charm due to the fact that people have now normalized having casual sex with random strangers and that being a whore is now commonly accepted by most people on the internet. The top internet streamers on platforms like Twitch are all porn-whores (some of which play children's games and/or have an audience full of children like Amouranth or that one British trans-person) and nobody seems to have an issue with that. I think porn has ruined the meaning of sex for me.

>>223363
Indeed. I am old enough that i have observed and heard second-hand that almost every relationship collapses and hurts everybody involved. Even if you were married to someone for 20 years you could not truly believe that it is real and will forever: even then, you could wake up one day and your partner just starts to hate you, cheat on you and use you for money. This is reality even for attractive, well-adjusted normalfags. It's more dangerous and irrational than going to the casino and betting on roulette. For the individual it is an extremely risky game with negative expected reward. The Buddhists know this.

>>223247
can someone explain to me why midwits are so drawn to fake bio-determinist bullshit?

>>223535
they think humans are animals, just uhh more EYE QUE

>>223535
>i have no counter-argument so ill contribute to the conversation by calling them a midwit
4chan cant come back soon enough

>>223536
And they are damn right, just look at normalfags and especially 3rd world ones.

>>223540
Already did.

>>223535
Most people on imboards are tryhard wannabe pseudo-intellectuals. They still think certain 19th and early 20th century thinkers/philosophers hold all the correct answers to everything and it's jut easier to jump onto something than to create your opinion about things.

Also, bio-determinism and genetic-ism is just another new opium for the masses, just like religion or psychology are. Just blame everything on some unknown X ancestor you supposedly had at some point (never mind that you can't prove shit about your ancestors beyond a certain limited stage) but hey it's totally scientifically accepted so it must be true! This is just a new religion that was created to uphold the status quo. "You suck at life because you inherited bad genes, sucks to be you, loser" say the privileged people. It's like when in medieval times priests told poor people to shut up and accept their suffering because it is God's will. Nowadays we have genetics and psychiatry/psychology keeping order and the status quo.

>>223549
Tourettes is also hereditary and it's not like you can judt stop randomly splurting out swearwords or random words, because there is a literal defect in the way your brain neurology is wired up since birth. You can't stop it any more than you can stop making your eyes blink (only momentarily).

There are plenty of cases where bad genetics fuck up your future the moment you're born.
Let's not even get into people born with severe autism (the kind that need safety helmets so they don't ragekill themselves if their favourite food was a little bit too cold).

Or people born with antisocial personality disorder, aspegers and a schizoid personality. No matter how much effort someone like this puts into trying to become a "normie", there is roughly a 100% chance they end up a jobless 30 year old virgin instead.

>>223549
what is your alternative explanation exactly? Must be 'interesting' to deny all of science and basic statistics

Sex is a very personal thing that the internet kinda ruins.

But idk I dont have sex

>>223554
Scientific theories come and go, they aren't a fixed thing. What was considered pseudo-science a few centuries ago is now officially accepted and vice versa. Statistics are also constructed from someone's subjective pov and designed to suit their own agenda usually. I don't put much trust in either.

I'm pretty sure most of the stuff this guy mentions >>223553 like autism, antisocial personality disorder, schizoid personality disorder and etc are just made up labels and don't really mean anything concrete. People are simply different, not everyone is suited to be a working drone who procreates in his free time. Of course, everything is considered a sickness that would somehow hinder the flow of things in society.

Instead of genetics I'm sure that most things can be explained by social relations. I mean instead of claiming that the school shooter was just an autist fated to do such things maybe society should take some responsibility and say that "yeah, bullying is a real issue and if you are bullied year after year that can happen". Genes are a really convenient excuse to blame everything on the individual himself. But I would rather trust the simplest explanations, Occam's Razor or what it's called. Instead of indulging in some shady neo-mysticism (that's what genetics degenerates into eventually) we could take a hard look at society and the world we live in. Your experiences shape you into the man you are, not who your great-great-great-grandpa chose to have sex with millions of years ago. If mental illnesses are even a thing (most of them are just memes) then they are caused by shitty circumstances, poverty, bad parents, bad teachers, bullying, rejection by the opposite sex, etc. and aren't hard-coded into your personality. But of course society will find it easier to say the problem lies only within you and that society is completely fine.

>>223562
>It's just as basic as eating or drinking or peeing.
It's how people wish to relate to eachother. If they wish to relate to eachother in a way that society tells them they should like treating sex as a commodity or a basic function then that's on them but don't push your view of how sex should be experienced on others.

>>223571
Not true. I come from a very wealthy caring family and I still inherited schizophrenia from my grandmother. I hear random ghost voices even while doing random chores and get severe delusions like the window being open and a giant spider staring at me until I take sleeping pills to make it go away.

It's in no way my parents fault. It's a disease. Just because you can't see it like a broken leg doesn't mean it's "fake".
Would you also tell an alzheimer patient they just need to try harder to remember things?

>>223591
There's a subset of below-90 IQ dumbass wizards who think every single ailment of the mind is fake just because they don't have it.

Mind you, they are also autists in denial who fervently try to deny the existence of autism.

>>223571
>maybe society should take some responsibility and say that "yeah, bullying is a real issue and if you are bullied year after year that can happen".

You conveniently left out the fact an autist is 46 times more likely to be severely bullied at school compared to neurotypicals.
Roughly half of all autistic kids are victims of hard bullying in school which includes being punched, kicked, enduring death threats and being wounded physically.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5886362/

>>223593
>You conveniently left out the fact an autist is 46 times more likely to be severely bullied at school compared to neurotypicals.
Wow! People who act like dipshits are typically going to be picked on more! He clearly had something to gain by leaving this bombshell out of his post.

>>223594
Most autists are introverted and don't bother anyone. It's neurotypical low functioning sociopaths like you who go on a wizard website to mock people who are the problem.

>>223602
Every "autist" I've had the displeasure of pupiling alongside has been an outgoing, violent nincompoop. This "sad soft little harmless oppressed autist boy" meme is ridiculous. What do you even have to gain by playing in to it yourself? Do you want e-hugs? You're certainly not receptive to advice to "IMPOOOOV"… Is this some sick puppy play and you get off to people online calling you unfavorable words? Because you're practically begging for it.

>neurotypical low functioning sociopaths
That's a lot of new-age buzzword labels. Did a succubi's wellness magazine teach you those? Just call me a faggot or something like an online grown man ought to.
>who go on a wizard website to mock people
Wizard does not equal "autist", and there's no rule against engaging in banter to the displeasure of someone who claims to be one. And if anything, I'm mocking you for mocking yourself. Treat yourself better - stop partaking in this depressed low-iq neurodivergent schizoid ASD sufferer who gets spat on by normietypicals ERP. It's juvenile and feminine.

>>223591
Wealthy and "caring" don't imply much though, these things can be extremely toxic, I mean wealthy family and "caring" can be harmful in lots of ways. Overprotective parents or family is just as bad as indifferent or abusive family environment.

You know, I'm kind of like you, except that I got this inheritance meme thrown at me with regard to depression and suicide attempts, that I got it from my grandfather who hanged himself before I was even born. And I bought it for a long time but not anymore. It was just an excuse for my parents, especially my father. He raised me to be prone to depression and to be a weak guy generally, plus he also was/is an inconsistent father. He poisoned my mind with Christianity from early childhood and it ruined my life. Christianity and my family upbringing led to my depression and suicide attempts, not my magical genes or cursed blood. Because if you raise your son with christian values then you are basically raising a kid for the slaughter, so to speak. He won't be able to stand up for himself when confronted by his peers and he won't be able to engage in healthy self-defense behaviors. He will also be confused as hell when he will experience that christian values are just mere ideals that can't be lived in the real world. Not to mention my whole attitude towards succubi and sexuality was just crazy because of religion too. This retarded, pacifist, ascetic roleplaying ideology and thinking just creates miserable, depressed and misanthropic people. Christianity and similar ideologies should be banned, seriously. Since I started to break away from it mentally my mental health improved too.

>Would you also tell an alzheimer patient they just need to try harder to remember things?
Yes, I would.

>>223593
Autism doesn't exist, what you call an autist is the result of such bullying that you describe and not the other way around.

>>223592
Yes, let's just accept every retarded terminology society and greedy doctors invent. Why think for yourself? Just accept the labels others put on you.

>>223603
Oh, you're that sad troll who still doesn't understand what autism is.
Glad I could tell within the first two sentences so I can hide the post in good conscience.

Come to think of it, now that I connect the dots, you're 100% that guy who claimed putting moisturizer on yiur face after shower is unmanly and gay.
Just a good ol' classic troll.

>>223608
You and your clique still can't define in your own words what 'autism' is. As far as anyone can tell, you consider someone who wants to play a video game instead of going out to play with friends to be an "autist".

>you're 100% that guy who claimed putting moisturizer on yiur face after shower is unmanly and gay.
I don't know who that guy is or maybe if I did say that at some point, but yeah that's pretty gay.

>>223626
The re-written government definition that effectively encompasses 8/10 children in the US? That's what you're still backing yourself up with? Now explain how you qualify.

>repetitive, restricted, and inflexible patterns of behavior, interests, and activities,
Choices.
>difficulties in social interaction and social communication.
Lack of experience from deciding to do things other than socializing.

>>223627
>Choices.
and what is the cause of those choices?
>Lack of experience from deciding to do things other than socializing.
and why do autistic people prefer to do things other than socializing?

>>223627
They aren't choices, you idiot. These patterns are visible in kids as young as 2. Some of them don't talk a single word until age 10 no matter how much therapy they get.

>>223631
>These patterns are visible in kids as young as 2. Some of them don't talk a single word until age 10
Those kids are retarded. Those kids are autistic. Imageboard Anon #109,565,466 who feels more comfortable refreshing 4chan than he does going out to talk to strangers, is not autistic.
>>223630
>and what is the cause of those choices?
Having a personality that favors the outcome of those choices of others. Every minute action and experience prior in life and all the introspection of the boy has led him to develop his own ideals, the same way that every other human comes to develop likes and dislikes.
>and why do autistic people prefer to do things other than socializing?
An autistic person can only screech, scream, and moan. They can't comprehend language. Why do you prefer to do things other than socializing? Not because you're autistic, because you're not.

>>223625
Don't bother with them, nowadays some people consider everyone who isn't some super football star with 1000+ succubi on his fucked list to be an autist. Oh you like playing video games instead of going out partying? You are an autist. You would rather watch anime than go date someone? Autist!

>>223626
These definitions don't mean anything. Doctors always invent new illnesses and what not, just for the sake of making themselves look more important.
>repetitive, restricted, and inflexible patterns of behavior, interests, and activities
This is basically 90% of the population.

>>223633
I wish it were that easy. Getting an autism diagnosis would give me free money for life.

>>223639
>>223639
why would you get money? ive been to a few shrinks and gotten multiple diagnosis and they give different shit every time

>>223633
It's not some "recent invention". Autistic brains were discovered in MRI scans in the late 1970s, and the disorder itself more than a hundred years ago in 1911.

Autists for example have abnormally sized prefrontal cortex and amygdala and the regions of brain responsible for social interaction and emotions are shrunken.

>>223642
I didn't imply it was something recent. Psychology and psychiatry have always been fake sciences. These things were literally invented to scam rich and troubled people out of their money by some scoundrels, like Freud and his friends. But over time these things became the new religions of our times. Now you aren't a sinner or considered possessed by the devil anymore, you are just sick or crazy if are somehow different from the norm. And weak people are ready to accept these definitions with open arms because these brands justify their weakness and defeatism.

>>223663
whatever, these are just semantics
let's just get to the point

is there free will or not?
can everything be predicted because it is determined, or is there an element of chaos?

>>223663
There's nothing defeatist about autism because it's a scale. At the extreme end you have savants like Bobby Fischer or Magnus Carlsen who at age 13 can defeat chess grandmasters who have written doctoral thesises on the game decades before said boys were even born.

Musk as a diagnosed highly functioning autist is also obviously not defeatist since he's the richest man on the planet. But he does do a lot of stereotypical sperg stuff, for example he carried his gaming PC into the white house and he spends several hours a day posting obscure imageboard memes.
https://www.xda-developers.com/elon-musk-gaming-pc-white-house/

By the way, he has also been caught powerleveling in multiple games. Apparently him being world #1 on the Diablo 4 leaderboard was legit, but his PoE account is 100% boosted.
He was streaming the game live on his X account and it's clear he has no idea what he's doing despite having some of the best gear and items on the server.

>>223665
Do you think Musk does all these things by himself, or does he have people do it for him? He seems like a bit of an actor to me.

>>223664
The discussion of free will is just semantics too and doesn't carry any significant weight, like it doesn't have any concrete effect on your life. I personally don't believe in free will but I am open to interpretations and other opinions. I believe the circumstances define your life. You can't separate yourself from your environment fully. If you change over the years then it's because your environment/circumstances changed in some way too.

>>223665
That's cool. But I still think it's just a very arbitrary buzzword that doesn't mean anything concrete. Whether positive or negative, people like labels, "brands", making themselves fit into some category. Mental illnesses aren't different either.

>>223666
I do really think he is a pc game addict, but he absolutely does not play some of the games he has an account for himself.

How the hell would he grind all those MMO accounts while running Tesla, SpaceX and Doge (which he named after his meme coin) unless he literally delegates all his work to other people.

>>223666
Musk's Elden Ring builds are comically bad and his Path of Exile account is boosted, there is absolutely no way he could have spent 14+ hours daily to grind the BiS equipment he has.

He is a top 10 Diablo 4 player worldwide and his gameplay streams suggest he really is obsessed with the game. And he has put 15,000+ hours into grinding it.

Also when he plays PoE he just ignores ultra rare drops from mobs and doesn't understand what they are. His gameplay feeds are freely viewable on his X and he hssn't even bothered deleting them