/wiz/ - Wizardry

>>223880
Never expected seeing something related to Reverned insanity on here.

>>223880
start with the following:
-quality sleep every night
-working out daily
-stay hydrated
-good diet, you don't need something overly strict just eat as healthy as possible

yes, it's all basic, but very important to cope with cognitive decline

>>223883
i also forgot Vitamin D/daily sun exposure

>>223882
It will never be complete

>>223883
>>223884
While all of these are very important, I was hoping for more practical advice on the actual learning process itself.
I struggle with starting and continuing with new things that I do not already have a good grasp on.
This is to the point where I'd rather play a known video game over and over than start a new one.
I'll work on my health of course. Sound body, sound mind.
Quality sleep might be beyond me for a long time due to circumstances, the rest I can incorporate. Thank you for the answers.

>>223882
These Chinese martial arts, wuxia/xianxia stories have been my favorite for the past few years now as I aged out of the Japanese Shounen/Isekai genre.
The change of perspective and pace of these Chinese stories and the wide range of concepts introduced are very welcome.
I vastly prefer it to Japanese media now.
I've only recently picked up reading, as I struggle with that, be it undiagnosed ADHD or general brainrot. After scrolling through thousands of chapters per series this one was one that made me want more.

>>223885
I've read what happened with the author. Unfortunate, but somehow makes me appreciate his work even more.

>>223887
>>223887
I too lost my ability to learn due to looong years of NEETing and never using my brain, "lose it or use it" so too accurate, i tried language learning and math as hobbies and my experience was beyond bad, I have zero short term memory, my brain is extremely slow at processing information that i would need to re-watch a basic algebra math lecture many times in order to actually hear it, i can't put it right, but my brain is just too slow and sluggish, not to mention i also get distracted by my own thoughts too often, making it even worse, basically i have to put 10x the effort and time the average person puts to learn things, i remember spending 5 hours just trying to watch a single 1 hour long algebra lecture, just because my brain is too bad at learning, i also have to write down everything the prof says because i can't remember anything, even when i try to just note the important segments and be selective, i have totally zero short term memory, and i am still far from wizardy years.


>These Chinese martial arts wuxia/xianxia stories have been my favorite for the past few years now as I aged out of the Japanese Shounen/Isekai genre.
The change of perspective and pace of these Chinese stories and the wide range of concepts introduced are very welcome.
I vastly prefer it to Japanese media now.
I've only recently picked up reading, as I struggle with that, be it undiagnosed ADHD or general brainrot. After scrolling through thousands of chapters per series this one was one that made me want more.

Okay, as a fellow Otaku-NEET i would like to ask which manga and japanese L.Ns left the biggest impression on you before you got fed with them? some favorites? some hidden gems?
sorry because it's off-topic, i am just a massive manga/L.N fan, and i would rarely come across people who are deeply into said mediums to be able to have a conversation with about this stuff.

>>223893
I hated all the popular VNs that otaku niggers recommend like steins gate being the worst shit I ever read. Fate/stay night not living up to the hype at all and seeming like a childish porn game. Clannad was meh. These are all very long and time wasting piece of shit people pretend to like for e-cred. Outside of that the smaller less known VNs are all just a mix of the three listed above on a smaller scale. Fucked genre for posers.

>>223895
Bruh, finally, i agree on Stay night being so overated, i read the first arc and some of the second arc, it was so full of asspulls and plot armor, it made me go nuts, no idea how people enjoy it, i never played or watched steins, so not sure what to say on that title

>>223893
What you describe is exactly what I struggle with.
I guess this is what I get for refusing to live in reality all my life. I've been a maladaptive daydreamer all my life.
I'd live in a fantasy land during classes, during talks, mostly just sit around or lay down and live my life in a fantasy world.
Short term memory, and memory in general seems to be shot completely. Psych tested me too, my IQ seems fine, it's just that my retention is almost exactly half of that of a normal person.
Going to get checked for ADHD eventually… but maybe that is just a cope.

Off topic:

The above describe usage of manga is probably why I'm not the best one to get recommendations from.
I've scrolled through thousands of titles, series without any regard for quality to turn my brain off, give me a bit of a fantasy fuel to escape into my dream worlds.
This is why I specifically mentioned the isekai/shounen genre as well. I've grown to dislike Japanese characters and social interactions in general as a result. The characters are overly polite, overly modern and "vegetarian" in thought and action. Sterile is a good way to describe them.
I will provide some that left a mark, these are just what come to mind immediately, not necessarily the highest quality stuff.
Also keep in mind, you I've been very detached from reality, so learning some obvious lessons from manga may seem nonsensical or "cringe" it is what it is.

>Welcome to the NHK
Basic /wiz/ recommendation. I loved the anime, manga and the novel. My life mostly followed that of the MC, a bit too closely actually. I was first exposed to it at around 12-13 so it should have been a warning.
Not much in terms of lessons. Perhaps that some people are beyond saving and it's fine to just be as I am.

>Goblin slayer and related series.
Very popular and recent. It was to me a major lesson as I came to realize I've zero introspection on my day-to-day life. I spend a lot of time thinking an analyzing different concepts relating to my circumstances, but the MCs behavior was different. I focus too much on the macro, and I am too arrogant believing I know a lot just because I read the thoughts of others, often downloading them in a way instead of truly learning.
Practical humility is what I would call it.

>Gantz
The temporary nature of life and the frivolous connections we claim for ourselves within it was realized through the sort of memento mori feelings the series evoked.
Even the most special of us are easily replaceable.

As I said don't expect much from me. I have hundreds of watched series and even more manga, but it was mostly consumed in a fast food fashion… I'm not a connoisseur nor will I pretend to be such. I just came to prefer martial arts stories because they offered a greater depth, more maturity compared to what I was used to in isekai land.

>Isekai Meikyuu de Harem o
This is probably my all time favorite escapist manga. Also one that kept me going when I was at my most suicidal.
I haven't kept up with it despite that.
It was what finally made me realize that I've been emulating emotions most of my life instead of actually truly experiencing them.

The ease with which the slave succubus accepts and thrives in her miserable lot combined with the generic Japanese self-insert dude, the interactions, the world, the lack of competence by the male, the over-competence (normal ability relative to modern standards) of the female was too jarring.
It made me realize some people really do thrive regardless of their curses, and some fail regardless of their blessing.

As for the emulation of emotions part, it was the slavery aspect. The forced bond of trust. It's the only way I can imagine myself having a real connection anymore even in fantasy.
Made me take a good look at my life and past behaviors from childhood till today and I noticed I never in my life felt loved by anyone, nor did I love anyone, despite my mothers best intentions and efforts, not even her.
From there I picked apart quite a bit and realized how empty I really am and why I probably failed at every aspect of life without a real driving force and without any real connections.
Diagnosed schizoid autist for those that believe in such things not too long after that.
It's a weird thing to realize from what is basically a wish fulfillment porn comic.

>Jagaaan
Also randomly came to my mind. It's moral message might not be what I took away from it, but it made me feel at peace with embracing extremes in search of stimulation even if it goes against what is expected of a "normal" person.
Conform less, embrace yourself more.

>>223896
Please do note that this is an anonymous image board. I'm not the poster above, nor is he the one you replied to initially.
I humored your inquiry because you did provide at least a bit of an on-topic blurb at the beginning.
Please open a thread on /jp/ if you wish to discuss these things.
I never claimed to be some high taste individual. I consumed what is Japanese slop, then I consumed Chinese/Korean slop and deemed that the second was more to my taste in my adulthood, while the prior served me well in my childhood and adolescent years.

>>223899
oh, mate, I love Gantz, but reading your commentary on it made me look at it from a different view, even though i typically cringe when people talk about the lessons they pretend to have learned from otaku media, i should watch and read Isekai Meikyuu de Harem o, i been interested in it even before the anime was out.

>>223900
Stop avatarfagging mod-kun.

Is Reverend Insanity good? I always see memed on /lit/.

>>223880
Anon, do you work currently? if you plan to study or learn something alongside a full time job that would be making it vastly harder for your already "out of shape" brain

>>223911
Yeah I work full-time. It is the reason I have to figure out how to get skilled in my adulthood.
If I fail I'll never achieve a fraction of the freedom I once had.
Maybe it really is part of the problem.
Even though I have a rather comfortable job, mostly home office etc. After 8 hours I just want to turn off my brain.
Weekends I mostly sleep through, but still have very little motivation to study.
I sometimes start, but just sit there, repeatedly reading over material and nothing enters my brain as another poster described.

>If I fail I'll never achieve a fraction of the freedom I once had.

what do you mean by this?

>>223916
I used to be a NEET for about a decade.
While it had it's own burdens, the sense of freedom from a non-existent schedule of recurring obligations is what I miss greatly.

Achieving such freedom in my eyes is only possible with increasing my income and becoming skilled enough to be sought after.

1st point, increasing income:
With enough resources you can buy freedom for a time or simply work less, work as a contractor on your own terms, maybe a couple months a year, setting up networks for businesses etc. and then having a small retirement for a couple months.
During those months I would be unburdened and return to a NEET state of mind.
Clear and free, even if temporary.
A long enough break is already enough to simulate this feeling. A week long "vacation" gives you about 3 days of freedom where you don't need to even consider obligations. Enough money could get me further like this.
If I make 3x as much as I do now, I could work for 3 years and not work for 6.

2nd point, being sought after in terms of skills:
This is simply due to one reason. If I lost this current job, I would never find one like it again.
It is a great mental burden. A chain if you will. With shackles like this in your mind you are not free.
If I saved up enough not to work for a year, I would have to still worry about finding future employment.
If I'm skilled enough, I can allow myself to do what I described above without fear of becoming destitute at the end of my temporary regained NEETdom.

This might all sound stupid, but just view it as being capable and financially secure being a way to free myself of mental and tangible, physical burdens even temporarily.
It is worth the effort as the alternative is endless toil.

Not sure if you work/worked before, but weeks pass like days and months pass like weeks and years pass like months.
I never had a good grasp on time as a NEET, but now my time spent awake is spent on something I do not enjoy, while before at least I had some sparks of joy that colored my world mixed in with the gray.

TL;DR:
More money = less time spent on work overall, one way or another.
More skills = Less worries about future employment, termination and destitution.
Enough money, sufficient skills = Freedom to skip a couple months here and there, maybe even a full year or two.
Freedom = No worries, for at least a reasonable time (3 days is not enough, first day you already worry about the 3rd after which you have to return to wageslavery), no obligations, no schedules, no calls, no source of judgement, nothing looming over you.

>>223917
I have very similar thoughts and experiences. Maybe it largely comes down to our different particular circumstances, but I disagree in some ways.
I think it is never possible to get enough skills that you are truly secure in being able to produce income. Markets and economies can change overnight, likewise for our physical and mental health. Accrued money can also vanish quickly. The ability to even enjoy neet lifestyle can also vanish.

It seems to me that the only path is somehow coming to some form of peace with the chaos and uncertainty of the future. I don't think i can do it, i just dont enjoy being alive even when i have hundreds of thousands of USD in assets

>>223900
how the author lived is unrelated to his works

>>223918
You are right. I understand the worries, if you go deep enough, security is never a guarantee.
I'm just trying to do something about it, learning is one way. Doing something is better than doing nothing and being at fates mercy.
This has been my conclusion from a decade of stagnation. Ironic that I still yearn for it again.

I believe a part of your issue might be being from the US? You mention USD. At least here in my shitty country we still have some sort of social safety net, like an ambulance or something (even if limited… healthcare…) is still available.
The minimum social security payment is a couple € like maybe 10 if you are unemployed.

I can come to terms with chaos and uncertainty. What I can not come to terms with is my current lot.
Endless repetitive obligations for the sake of a meager existence.
Digital ID, Digital €, Censorship, plagues, wars nextdoor, maybe WW3 on the horizon… These are all things on my mind to an extent, but I'm focusing on what I can do for now.
I'm aware of the bad, but I can only try to somehow change myself as I am powerless and uninterested in changing the world at large.

>>223917
thanks for the detailed explanation Anon, I never had to wageslave, but i can see your point, which field do you exactly work at?

>>223921
I work at an ISP, lowest level call center type thing, take calls, mails, basic troubleshooting, ticket handling.
Not a big deal, perfect for someone like me and this is why I got worried.
After this, anything available to me is a major downgrade.
As you can imagine, I have it easier than most wizards that have to work, yet I still complain.
I'm yearning for my lost freedom.
That is why I need to restore my ability to learn and get the skills needed to be more valuable on the job market.
I regret not doing so when I was younger, my brain used to work a lot better.

>>223922
meh, you are not yearning at all, i have seen people here wanting to kill them selves over working as code monkeys in America for 50K USD a year, they would not comprehend working in construction for a dollar an hour or how 2.8 billion people on the planet live with less than 2 dollars per day, life is crazy and you are never satisied with what you get, i don't judge anyone nor care to compare their suffering, i say it as a third worldtard.

>>223923
>meh, you are not yearning at all
Arrogance.
What is the point you are trying to make here?

>>223924
he works as a call centter wagie, he admits it's comfy and wants to skillmax to make sure he finds another job like it if he loses that one and that he wants to find jobs with less working hours or something, that's what i get from his text, I think we should always strive for the better

>>223925
I see. I got a completely different message from the previous post: >>223923
My bad.

>>223926
no worries, everything is irony-poisoned nowadays.

>>223880
>Old dog with no tricks
this is a blatant lie used by lazy old people to gaslight themselves why they don't have to go trough the work of learning something new. yes cognitive ability decline with age, but to the average Joe in their 30s or even 60s, shouldn't have decline to the degree they cannot learn anything new.
>My brain doesn't work anymore, learning anything new feels impossible. Interacting with things that aren't already interesting to me is torture, retaining information is beyond me.
You have forgotten that learning isn't something that comes without effort and struggle. Think back to elementary school how long did it take them to teach to basic math, reading and writing?
They didn't achieve teaching you any of those subjects within a week, did they? Also probably wasn't smooth sailing. You need to accept that learning isn't going to be a quick and painless task.
I tried to teach myself drawing as a teenager, gave up because I didn't see progress after a few days. Tried learning from a book in my mid 20s. Stuck with it for about 5 months(could had gone quicker, I procrastinated a lot), only then did I actually see improvements.
Just keep grinding and you will see progress. You achieve this as a kid and can do it again. The only difference is that you had teachers that force you to grind with lessons and homework. Now you have to grind voluntarily.

I have a problem with learning specifically because i went all through university etc etc and it all did nothing. When it comes to employment nobody cares about what you have studied. Not having a bachelor is bad (since everyone has one), but beyond that they only care how normal you are, what other wageslavery you've done, and literally redflagging you if you have any periods of neetdom.

>>223928
You couldn't be more wrong. The brain is ultra-malleable between 2 and 8. People can literally pick up a second language fluently without accent within half a year when this young.

Try doing the same to an anhedonic, fractured brain 50 year old. It would take them 5 years to speak at 20% the level of that 8 year old, and they'd have a horrible thick accent.

>>223929
>I have a problem with learning specifically because i went all through university etc etc and it all did nothing
Can you elaborate? I was under the impression you go to uni in order to learn an academic field. Did you expect them to make you smarter?

>>223931
The coursework was all targeted for employment, yet it does almost nothing for employment. University is not about learning for the sake of learning anymore. The content is watered down more every year because students are dumb as shit now and professors get fired if they fail too many students. Students are just fools to be scammed to provide money for the business of the university.

>>223930
>The brain is ultra-malleable between 2 and 8. People can literally pick up a second language fluently without accent within half a year when this young
>Try doing the same to an anhedonic, fractured brain 50 year old. It would take them 5 years to speak at 20% the level of that 8 year old, and they'd have a horrible thick accent
Are you seriously going to use this as an excuse to not learn new things? I don't know anything about you, but assuming you are in your late 20s or in your 30s.
you really think it's to late for you to learn anything new? it's literally impossible to teach you how to play piano, 3d modelling or a martial art?

>>223930
i think the effect is very real but exaggerated because adults have no time to learn when they are wagecucking etc

>>223930
are you kidding?
kids are so slow at learning language

>>223932
>Students are just fools to be scammed to provide money for the business of the university
This is why quality of education have gone downhill and society as well. A dumber white-collar workforce that barely know what they are doing. If you want to learn anything you are better off self-learning.

>>223932
>>223936
Universities are not academic institutions but glorified technical training schools with added concern for behavior modification and influencing students into philosemitism and loving niggers. It sounds like a shitpost but it's 100% true

>>223928
I decided to not reply immediately and think back on my past in case I'm misremembering things.
As far as I can tell based on my experience with learning your assessment does not seem to track.

I never really managed to do the whole "sit down and learn" thing.
I always cried above the books, even in my adulthood trying to force myself, "this should work", "why doesn't it work for me" reading things over and over.

>The only difference is that you had teachers that force you to grind with lessons and homework. Now you have to grind voluntarily.
I have a spotty record of grades ranging from top-of-the-class, top of the school, to barely passing.
I never did homework as I couldn't force myself and after a while my mother gave up on forcing it.

Some things simply stuck in my brain through osmosis almost. I can speak 3 languages for example, but I never went out of my way to study them.
One was absorbed through exposure as my native tongue, 2 were absorbed through exposure in media.
I won state championships for highschoolers, placed second in the country in German at the time. I never studied German actively, just watched German TV (had an anime/cartoon channel from stolen satellite TV). If the test was about describing grammar I'd just fail.
Despite this, since the major subjects that were tested in our equivalent of a GED exam were ones that I just lucked out on (enough IQ for math, history and the like just stuck by sitting in the lectures), I placed quite highly there as well.

So what I'm trying to describe here is that for me personally, active effort spent on studying never worked, it only made me frustrated beyond words.
>You achieve this as a kid and can do it again.
This ability has been lost over time, and as it never took my active participation I have no real way to regain it.

The other big issue is that as you might guess, this type of learning is not suitable for high level STEM knowledge, or any other knowledge where memorizing absolute facts is needed.
Again if you wish to be hostile about it for some reason, you could just say "typical lazy gifted kid that got outpaced by the turtles behind him" or something like that.
I did try, I spent countless days crying over a sheet I needed to memorize for no reason.
I spent countless attempts in both childhood and adulthood to sit down and read or watch lectures about things that supposedly aligned with my interests as well.

>Think back to elementary school how long did it take them to teach to basic math, reading and writing?
I already knew how to read, write and do basic arithmetic by the time I started schooling. Ironically it took me quite some time to speak properly.
I needed to be able to count cards for play and keeping score and I needed to be able to read because I was left alone too often.
Again these never felt like actively learning, but still not a viable path for valuable "adult level" skills.

You mention drawing as your skill of choice that in your experience through persistence alone fixed your issues. It is mostly a muscle memory type skill though, with next to no lexical knowledge required.
Are you certain this would map well onto that as well?

Again to me it isn't about "I don't see progress in X time so I give up" it's my brain actively frying itself with stress instead of absorbing information I read.
I'm on a waiting list for an ADHD diagnosis, but I dread that it turns out to be some kind of cope. An excuse.
One thing your post made me realize though is that I'm lamenting something I was never able to do, instead of something I lost.
Valuable insight for me, but not very practical.

Though I have to wonder why in my youth my brain just remembered math and physics equations while now it seems impossible.
Even if I understand the high level knowledge and can practice it while it is in front of me, nothing is retained.
CPU seems fine, but somehow things don't quite move from RAM to storage.

Here is a cool martial arts kinda imagine for those that enjoy this type of stuff, unrelated to the topic again.

>>223937
>philosemitism and loving niggers
it's the opposite!
they teach antisemitism and looking down on niggers.
Israel is some ebil apartheid state and must be removed from the world map at all cost. all Jews should also be held responsible for the actions of the Israeli government.
niggers are a bunch of helpless babies that are too dumb to help themselves. They need all the welfare, government programs and aid in the world in order to even stay alive.
uni students think niggers are too dumb to get themselves photo-IDs, unable to look for work themselves and need government sponsored DEI-programs to ever be employed.
Basically that niggers cannot do anything on their own and need help from the other races for anything. LOL even real apartheid states like Rhodesia and South Africa thought more of them.
at least they knew niggers were capable of organizing themselves. Meanwhile your typical US uni student thinks BLM cannot succeed without the help of white "saviors".

>>223933
Anon I felt like this needed to be said, do not take it the wrong way.
Please do not treat the words of me and others a simply excuses.
I have tried and I have failed.

I'm aware that it is not impossible, yet it feels genuinely insurmountable.
We have heard these hostilities plenty throughout our lives from others, no need to regurgitate them here.

I really wish people proposed practical ways if they achieved any success in learning later in life.
I assumed that with the user base here, there would be at least a couple wizards that did. I wish to hear their stories first and foremost.

I do not believe it to be too late for people in general, but as wizards we already are a statistical anomaly, people outside the norm.
Is it difficult to recognize this?

>>223933
you can't argue against an ego's identity, see >>223942

the identity (too old to learn) protects them from the pain of regret and uncertainty.

if you argue against them (where does this energy to argue come from? are you uncertain yourself? are you talking to yourself by arguing against him?) you are only encouraging him to intellectualize his identity

>>223943
Further arrogance.

>>223940
you said you speed up and skim through the manga/web-novels you read even though they are things that you enjoy or meant to enjoy, that makes me think you legit have A.D.H.D or A.D.D.

>>223940
from what you describe, it seems your strength is good memorization. the reason things are harder now might be because back then a lot was novel to you which leaves a stronger impact on the brain.
>I never really managed to do the whole "sit down and learn" thing.
you seemed to have missed out on a skill that most with bad memory people have to learn in school. I was in similar situation as you. During high school I could get away with reading about something the day before the test, then pass it.
Only during Uni did this become a issue, because unlike high school their exams were design to make sure you knew your stuff. You just couldn't read about it the day before then forget everything after passing the test.
Turns out everyone else who wasn't blessed with good memory had to learn how to engraved knowledge into their memory. In order of things to stay, you need repetition. you read about it,
think about what it all means, then put it into use. You repeat this process until you think you gotten a hang of it.
I saw my high school peers do this all for days or a week, before the tests. I consider myself lucky for not needing to do this and didn't need to sacrifice so much of my free time. Turned out to be a curse in the future,
since I missed out on learning this thanks to good memory.
they also learned time management, to set aside time for learning each day. Unlike me who panic study for a few hours they day before.
>Even if I understand the high level knowledge and can practice it while it is in front of me, nothing is retained
unless it's something you do on a regular basis, it's very normal for you to just forget about it after a while. Most people retain what they learned in driving school, because they actually have to use it later.
think about all the signs and traffic rules you have to memorize.
>active effort spent on studying never worked, it only made me frustrated beyond words
that is normal, it's not suppose to feel comfortable. one of the reasons I just panic study during high school. it seems like you aren't use to the discomfort of learning.

>You mention drawing as your skill of choice that in your experience through persistence alone fixed your issues. It is mostly a muscle memory type skill though, with next to no lexical knowledge required.
>Are you certain this would map well onto that as well?
Do you mean if methods for studying art applies to STEM subjects? I think it's similar but more extensive for people studying STEM. Both require a fair amount of time in order to see results.
Both require you to practice what you learned in order to get something out of it. You cannot just read about the formula for converting Fahrenheit to Celsius once, then expect to remember how to do it years later without looking it up.
Similarly in art you cannot just read about techniques such as 3 point perspective then expect to master them and remember them for life.

>>223940
>Some things simply stuck in my brain through osmosis almost.
>active effort spent on studying never worked, it only made me frustrated beyond words.

The way you should think about learning is that it's not about memorization, it happens on its own when you package the information in such a way that it just clicks with your existing understanding, it's like a jigsaw puzzle where the main problem is finding the next piece that fits into what you already have, and people start out with different arrangements, so they all need different pieces at different times. Everyone hears the same lecture, but not everyone extracts the same puzzle pieces from it. If a particular topic felt effortless to learn, it was because you were ready for it and you didn't need to force your brain to acquire it, it just clicked because you had the prerequisites.

To be a good learner, you sort of have to get good at following your intuition and when you feel like it's not working, you don't force it, you try something else. The way information is laid out in a textbook is just the most optimal way to present it, but it's almost never the optimal way for (You) to learn it, you have to jump around, skim, and construct your own understanding actively. Maybe you don't even understand why you should be learning a particular topic or why it's important, and if there's one thing that matters, it's information being relevant and important, otherwise it never sticks. Sometimes you're curious and have a guiding question that leads you in the right way through the chaos of information and you construct an understanding without needing to think too much about it. Sometimes you have a project or problem that offers natural restrictions that lead you in the right direction (this was the key for me in programming, wanting to make a game and just dismissing a lot of abstract computer science info that wasn't as important as putting something on the screen and making it move).

So, the point is that if you want to get good at learning, you'll have to develop this meta-skill of shaping information and presenting it to yourself in such a way that it clicks with your existing understanding. You have to listen to your intuition and when you feel like it's not working, you don't force it, it means you're missing something and the piece you're trying to acquire is not the right one for you at this time. Find a leading question or problem that can help you sift through all the irrelevant information and help you zero-in on exactly what you need, do not just try to memorize facts and words in a textbook or lecture, it's inefficient and it simply doesn't work. You need to build high-level representations that are a right fit for you. Obviously, there's no easy algorithm I can give you for this that you can use in 100% of cases, but you will get better at it with practice and the more you think about on a meta learning level.

>>223943
>if you argue against them (where does this energy to argue come from? are you uncertain yourself? are you talking to yourself by arguing against him?) you are only encouraging him to intellectualize his identity
the "too old to learn" attitude just bring out a lot of bad memories. Had to act like tech support because people within my family and extended family couldn't bother to read the manual or learn how to do things themselves.
Which they were perfectly capable of. A 40-something cannot learn how to set up a router? Even when the manual shows you along with pictures? It takes more effort to get a drivers license than to set up a router.

>>223948
Sounded somewhat counterintuitive at first, but I understand what you mean.
I did try long term studying before.
Pre-read the material before a lecture, actively participate in the lecture, revise notes, I even tried spaced repetition with things such as anki.

Thinking about it more >>223943 might be on to something.
Past failure has made me jaded towards the process and current, "old age" efforts are false with glazed over eyes over the material I have some fake feigned interest in.
Your point also seems to fit this, as far as I understand. Everything that came easy was pursued to an extent, anything that was hard eventually ended up being dismissed as a herculean struggle.
I need to be more honest.

As for the ART/STEM point, I felt it was too different to compare. Lexical knowledge combined with purely mental efforts and things you do with your hands feel fundamentally different to me.
Driving is as you say, closer to drawing in my mind than something an electrical engineering lecture.
I did pick up a bit of woodcarving for example and felt non of the usual "barriers" that prevent me from learning. Not to that extent at least.

>>223949
Great points all around in both posts, even if it was different people, sorry, nature of the site.
Thank you for your contribution and insight.

I will try to reframe things when the usual frustration presents itself.
Perhaps trying to learn things as presented instead of incorporating them into a greater overall understanding and transforming textbook knowledge into practical applications was a root cause of these frustrations.
I'm not exactly sure when or how I developed this, but it does feel like a bit of learned helplessness.

This should have been obvious to me before, but I think I might have lost sight of the purpose of learning. Causing a part of the current mindset at least.
Trying to learn something just to have some hypothetical "marketable skills" on my character build (if that makes any sense) was probably setting myself up for failure.
Then again real interests don't come easy after a decade of bedrot as many would surely attest.

Thanks again, I feel like this was a step in the right direction for me. I still believe pursuing the ADHD diagnosis, even if it just results in letting me know it is not the cause will be worthwhile.
Finding proper justification for learning and framing it through actual purpose will be my next step. Should help with taking action in general instead of resignation.
I'll try to put your advice into practice as well, connecting new information to my preexisting knowledge, changing things into a form more fitting for my mind.

>>223933
Every single pro piano player, violin player etc. started before the age of 5. No, you cannot compete against these people if you start at 40 no matter how much you practice.

>>223955
I fear the depth of the knowledge as well. How deep it gets ingrained I mean.
Feels like I remember things acquired during youth clearly despite not using said knowledge.
Things learned in adulthood are lost in a few months if not constantly used.

>>223955
why does it have to be about competing?

>>223955
stop moving the goalpost, what are you trying to prove? The main question was "is it possible to learn new things as an late 20-30s something adult". most adults in this age range don't tend to have serious health concerns like dementia.
So the answer is yes for for most adults.

>>223959
A lot of cognitive functions start decaying after your 30s. Reaction time, memory, recall, muscle synapse response, strength
there are a ton of reasons why you can't even start competing in a non-physical sport like esports when you're a 38 year old going against 21 year olds who have played the same competitive game like Counter Strike since they were preteens.

>>223962
you just keep repeating about why you cannot be the best in x-field if you start learning now. that's not the point!
you are learning new skills to either help yourself or bring happiness to your life. Learning to cook, gardening or repairing your own car.
none of these skills will bring massive benefit to your life, even when you are not the best?

>>223955
>>223962
Never intended to be the best at X or compete with the youth with this thread.
I don't think most wizards have such high desires or definitions of "making it".
Some reasonable improvements would go a long way.

>>223964
>>223965
if you are not the best at something why bother?

>>223971
So you can NEET it up again as I described previously.

>>223971
your ego makes you suffer, because it cries out in pain when faced with reality.
return from thought based identity, into what you did when you were a child - sensing the world, doing actions for the sake of doing them, deeply connected to your physical body, thoughts being uninteresting.

if you start now, you will reach only a small fraction of your potential if you started as a kid
it will take far more effort too
is the juice still worth the squeeze?

>>223975
You are correct in a sense.
The optimal play is to never be born.
Short of that, offing yourself is the next best move.
Logical sure.
Will you do it? No.
Then you might as well do what you can.

>>223976
I might also do as little as I can and get through life with minimal effort
B.T.W I'm not OP or >>223917, though I guess I too should be worried about the future
but I'm quite optimistic seeing how zoomers value their work-life balance, and they reproduce less
I honestly believe they will make this world a more chill place to live

>>223977
This.

Neeting it up on government money while also getting about 2k a month from parents in assistance I see no need to off myself. I get to live a pretty decent lifestyle with no effort needed.

In fact my stock portfolio will need only 8 more years to make me fully independent from gov or parent money. Every month I buy $1200 worth.

There is nothing wrong with not working. Literally the only downside of being neet is a lack of money, and if you have money, there's no need to stress or look for work.

>>223971
>>223975
>if you are not the best at something why bother?
is the juice still worth the squeeze?
because it can be useful to know? Fine, never learn how to fix stuff around your house and always call the handyman. Who cares about saving money right?

>>223980
when the need to repair something comes, I will look it up on the internet

>>223977
>I might also do as little as I can and get through life with minimal effort
I'm both the OP and the other post linked. I do agree with the sentiment, but as you said, worries are justified.
I disagree with your point about zoomers actually.
The work ethic, or less politely, slave mentality of the normals of old is what kept us reasonable comfortable.
The ones with kids and obligations kept the system running and many wizards benefited from it in one way or another.

The zoomer work ethic, while lucrative from a wizard standpoint is deeply anti-social and not conducive to keeping things running.
My first hand experience shows that those around the zoomers have to pick up their slack or fix a lot of their issues.
This doesn't matter on a low level in bullshit jobs, you can adopt their behavior even.
The issues manifests when they are in key roles that affect infrastructure or your very own life.

You order something, but it got fucked up, the customer service zoomer doesn't care either. They fucked up your pipes? Though luck. No internet? Sorry.
The average tradesman is aging out of the job.
Can you fix your own electricity, pipes and gas? I can't. Nor do I really want to. Can you fix your own roof if you have one?
Can you replace your windows? How about your AC?

I can not do any of these, but I will have to learn at least a bit.

Zoomer tradesman are the worst kind I've ever interacted with as well, don't even want to mention the few youth in medical fields like dentistry…
I worry about my own access to comfort in the future where the tradesmen of old who still work hard due to their attachments and responsibilities perish.

Basically, however badly this might reflect on me, as a wizard, I highly prefer the normie majority to be nothing more than cattle.
Working hard because the kids have needs and the wife would leave them, so they take the shit jobs, they work the hard labor jobs, they do overtime for some extra "black" pay.
In that way we can live in comfort with greater access to a variety of services.

This is also why learning is important even if you don't reach mastery.
I believe you don't need a ton of effort to reach bare minimum competence. I cook edible food now for example.

>and they reproduce less
This is horrible, the most horrible part of it all. The current welfare system is turning into an inverse pyramid. Meaning things like bachelor taxes, prohibition of owning family houses as a single person and stuff like that are coming down the pipeline. Many are already there.
My taxes already subsidize breeding programs in my country due to this. Increasingly so. You as a solitary wizard will bear this burden even if you don't directly notice it.
In my country these programs doubled the housing costs almost as soon as they were introduced. Many breeders are tax free.
Others being tax free means you are paying. It might as well be an extra tax on you. Keep this in mind.
To the staff here, I'm not advocating for sex having and breeding, I'm stating the cattle needs to be plenty to lessen our burden.

>>223979
Glad to hear some wizards making it. Though I have to say a good point is also made here, similar to what I'm getting at: >>223980 sometimes money wont get you easy access to skilled labor, unless you are truly wealthy.
At my level it is more reasonable to acquire some basic skills with that long metal tube thing you use to unclog stuff and similar things that people tend to need.

>>223981
good, while you are at it, look up how to cook and teach yourself to be independent of restaurants!

>>223982
but maybe they will legalize weed

I wageslave in a third world shithole (Lebanon) as a code monkey, my dream is getting a remote job (from a western company) and abuse the low living standards here by getting paid in USDs/EUs, i would be able to retire super early, I have seen people here who managed to do it and retired entirely after wageslaving for a handful years and saving 100k+ USD in savings.

>>223985
>third world shithole (Lebanon)
What are you on about? Lebanon is the Paris of the middle east! you are better off than most Arabs, except the gulf countries.

>>223985
Good to see like minded wizards. Best of luck in your endeavors.

>>223986
>the Paris of
lmao.

>>223986
The economy is too bad, we depend severely on diaspora money to survive, but I am praying to be able to turn it for my advantage.

Whenever I mention to my therapist how depressed it makes me that I'll never learn how to express myself through art because I'm too retADDed to teach myself how to draw, she says "maybe just give yourself 2 minutes of practice a day"
Can a math nerd tell me many hours a year that is?

>>224041
>Whenever I mention to my therapist
>she says

Therapists are untrsutworthy. Succubi who work in psychology are very untrusworthy. Pepper spray her face and then start drawing for 200 minutes each day.

>>224043
It's online therapy lol. Also I feel for her. She's uglier than me, which is most likely why she works for a living. She's fat, looks jewish in all the worst ways, and has a lazy eye. Weird voice too.
Therapy is a huge waste of time but I needed it to get on a waiting list for an adderall prescription

>>224045
If you think Adderal will improve anything, then you've already been groomed and propagandized in to a permanent state of being a loser who can't fulfill his own ambitions. It's sad to see a man so young not even have a chance of experiencing adulthood without a veil of chemicals and the cotton of poison dampening his senses.

>>224083
Share your experience, share your way. What did you want to be? What have you done? What are you now?
It's all worthless commentary otherwise.

>>224041
there are 365 days in a year 2 mins every day makes 365*2=730 minutes a year calculating from minutes to hours gives you 730:60=12,166666667 hours a year that is not THAT much in the grand scheme of things>>224041
>>224041
>>224041