/wiz/ - Wizardry

>>223951
money leads only to a materialistic (in the sense of having things) way of life

material and spiritual wellbeing is not mutually exclusive.
you can be a billionaire and be happy.

>>223951
>Maybe it’s about how connected you are—to other people, to yourself, to the moment you’re in
this
For many, if not most people, happiness comes from being accepted and understood, having a sense of belonging and being needed. For that to happen, you have to open up before others, show your weakness and trust that they won't abuse you. But these rich unhappy people build layers upon layers upon layers of protection, making it increasingly harder for anyone to reach their true selves. They present a flawless, but fake persona to the world. At some point they lose track of who they really are, and all that's left is an empty shell. The toughest, hardest armor that protects nothing. It is the hegehoge dillema

It would make me happy.

Yes, money makes you happy but you must learn to be content at certain point. Rich people/upper middle class are "unhappy" because their desires never end. They are never satisfied and never content with what they have.

>>223951
I agree about the lack of connection being a source of suffering for most people, but disagree with the rest.
Look at the African rape villages of the Congo for example. No amount of community will bring you objective joy living like that compared to a happy neetwiz.
Yeah the 65 IQ starving burn victim will smile for a bit as they sing, but that is not a happy life, that is a happy moment.

Money DOES bring happiness and solves 99% of your problems.
I don't understand why people making this argument always go to extremes like "your gold leaf steak and drugs wont make you happy on your yacht". Who cares?

If I had enough money I would never work, never worry about medical issues getting worse, never worry about employment or politics or any societal shit.
I'd move to the countryside, own a small house with a reasonably sized garden with a forest border in the back.
Nurture a small rose garden and enjoy the quite, comfortable hermit life.
Internet is available everywhere now so who cares.

I'll never be able to NEET again and I'll never afford a home like that either.
Third world wages but housing is getting really costly due to government programs favoring breeders.
Money buys you freedom and comfort. With that I'd be fine living isolated from society as much as I already do.

I really have to wonder what kind of lives you guys are living to have takes like this btw.
Based on current costs, not accounting for inflation about 300k € would make me permanently happy for the rest of my life.
I'm gonna fill out a lottery ticket tomorrow maybe I'll get there.

>>223970
Getting 300k into your bank account in a true third world country where the median person can save up maybe 20-50 dollars worth of money every month after expenses, is as likely as being hit by a meteorite while taking a morning walk.
Even 50k during a lifetime isn't feasible for 95%.

More often than not, young people in third world countries with an IQ above 80 figure this out by the time they are 16-18 years old and do everything they can to legally or illegally immigrate away from the hellhole country they were born into.

money gets you a better house and better computer. if you don't think that makes you happier compared to living in abject poverty among niggers you're a retard.

>Does Money Really Make Us Happy?
Don't know about "US"
But money doesn't directly make someone happy, but it's MUCH easier to be happy with a decent amount of money.
I don't really give a shit about the videos you have seen of people in a moment of being happy.
Not having enough money to treat illness fucking sucks. Not having money to replace things that break or even get them decently repaired without tons of effort and time sucks. Not having secure access to decent food or water sucks. Not really being able to do anything because no money sucks.
Money is a problems solver that dramatically lowers physical suffering and other annoying things that get in the way of happiness.

Living in the real world on my own taking care of myself put into perspective how absurdly useful money is.
To disregard money is a luxury belief from people out of touch with reality and don't have to take care of themselves. People coddled and kept to the point that they don't understand the value of anything.

Money a means to a end. A fantastic nearly universal tool that makes everything easier the more of it you have to spend. If you have any values at all then money is a means to those values.

>>223951
>My survivorship bias selected a group of happy people born in a more natural environment forming close-knit communities.
>Therefore you can own nothing and be happy in Western industrialized and individualized bureaucracies.
Nice try Schwab.

>>224030
>Living in the real world
>To disregard money is a luxury belief from people out of touch with reality
How utterly mundane. If you can't have money, health, power and connections to make you happy, then you need to search for the mysterious other thing. Schizo up or shut up.

jk

>>223951
Now look at the ugly side of African villages, regarding their barbarism and lack of basic resource as clean water. Not so nice now is it? You are reading too much in the quaint simplicity and forgetting simple times were hard and cruel.

We may not be as bad off but in developed countries like the U.S. (and others can speak for their own), it's not wealth or innovation that's miserable. (We were happiest when basic needs and a little bit of pocket money for fun now and then WAS the guarantee.) It's how we’ve systematically been blocked from accessing even the basics, for corporations, overregulation, and decades of mismanagement from both political parties.

We’ve watched factories disappear, wages stagnate, housing skyrocket, and basic necessities turn into luxuries. (Not those fancy ones you mentioned but a house at all.) The youth were promised at the very least peace and comfort if they followed the rules—go to school, work hard, stay out of trouble. Instead, we’re stuck in a system with fewer opportunities and rising costs. How is it money's fault we are unhappy, when its the fact we (Millenials and zoomers) were practically lied to?

The facts are we’re in the worst of both worlds economically speaking.

We’re not in a capitalist system that rewards risk and responsibility with high opportunity and upward mobility. We’re not in a socialist system that guarantees even basic needs in exchange for collectivism.

We’re in a weird limbo where we’re given nothing, and also blocked from doing anything like children being told to be quiet while the adults argue. (And mishandle money that could have gone to our wages or programs)

IMO, one of the deeper issues is instability in leadership. The U.S. presidency rotates every 4-8 years, and each president is often the exact opposite of the last because we are a spiteful voting people. We spit the last guy but come crawling back to similar policies when the next one didn't immediately work. Policies change direction constantly. Long-term economic strategies never get off the ground—they’re either half-finished or immediately dismantled by the next administration.

(Think Reagan and Bush to Clinton to the worse Bush to Obama to Trump to Biden back to Trump—whatever your opinions, you can see the constant back-and-forth can't you?)

How do you build a stable economic plan when your entire foundation resets every few years? Our system is stuck. No matter who’s in charge—red or blue—we’re trying to operate with a model built for FDR’s America, while ignoring that we’re living in a completely different world.

This is the real cause of our misery not money itself, but as voters we fucked ourselves out of having any.

>>224063
Not a trumpfag, But if the democrats win the next election we will be fucked and trump is not preparing for that.

>>224066
I agree that we are not in better off in democrats hands but Trump's economic plan amounts to throwing the economy at the wall and hoping it sticks, even he admitted that. (And like it or not going out his way to piss off allies and trading partners will come back to bite us (And I am not referring to his refusal to throw money at every request I agree with this move)) IMO we are economically fucked either way.

It is more rewarding to pursue material goods. But, sustaining this form of gratitude forever is not possible. Money really makes us happy, but temporarily.
The bigger your momentary fun is, the bigger your sadness afterward will be. This is true for all forms of gaining happiness, be it money, drugs, sex or simple spiritual wellbeing. Happiness is designed this way to protect us from becoming purely hedonistic, so that humans wouldn't pursue exclusively most rewarding forms of happiness, for example drugs.
Every form of happiness has its ups and downs. It is up to you to decide how much of a rollercoaster would you like. There is no correct or incorrect way to feel happy.

You can manage to be happy without money, but you cant have peace of mind and sense of stability if you dont have it. Two different things.

Being happy with money is easier, thought.

>>224179
If you live in an industrialized high GDP country and can't afford to move out, you will die fairly fast without money in many places. Social security networks don't exist everywhere.

>>224218
yeah i dont understand people saying you can live without money. It's literally impossible. All the people saying that live in third world where you can just be a monk or do a few online scams for months of living expenses or something.
When its thousands of dollars just for rent and food, how the fuck?

>>224218
thats what i said. being happy and being stable are different things.

>>224226
It's not even a matter of instability. It's a matter of life and death in capitalistic societies that have little to zero social safety nets. You DIE once you have no source of income or savings.

>>224227
do you are have stupid? It's Communist countries where people starve to death after losing their job. Capitalist countries have welfare programs, food banks, nd also a lot of places to pitch a tent without some slavonigger tying you up and eating you.

>>224228
he might be the paranoid illegal who thinks whites are conspiring to genocide him

>>224228
In a communist country you can't lose your job, that is one of the definitions of communism.

>Capitalist countries have welfare programs, food banks,
All of those things capitalism borrowed from Marx to quiet down the angry workers. True capitalism doesn't care about anyone who doesn't have money.

>>224230
>In a communist country you can't lose your job, that is one of the definitions of communism.

You're right, you'll be whipped in to working continuously while you starve to death, without hope of finding a new career or seeking help.
>True capitalism doesn't care about anyone who doesn't have money.
True capitalism has never been tried.

>>224233
>True capitalism has never been tried.
how ironic, true communism has never been tried either?
what do you say friend that we combine our efforts?
free market for the rich, gulag for the poor

>>224233
>True capitalism has never been tried.
lel true. god knows how horrible it will be if that happens

>>224234
> true communism has never been tried either?
Yes it has, and 80,000,000 White Europeans died horribly because of it.

>>224233
>starvation is communism meme
That was just invented by the capitalist western countries. Most of the so called starving communist countries are or were doing fine or if they were actually starving it wasn't because of communism but because starvation was always an issue around those parts.

It's also not true that you have to work harder under communism. If anything communist societies forced everyone to have a job but this led to people not doing anything productive during work hours most of the time. It is much more comfier to "work" in a communist society than working in capitalism.

>True capitalism has never been tried.
Why don't you try being a worker in 3rd world countries or in 19th century Europe? Have fun in those mines where you work 10+ hours a day and then you don't even get enough resources to survive in return.

>>224234
>free market for the rich, gulag for the poor
We already have that, that's capitalism for you.

>>>224236
>muh 8 gorrilions of """white""" europeans
Most of the victims of communism actually had it coming. Priests, aristocrats, upper and middle class peasants and rich guys generally deserved everything bad that happened to them. If anything communism went lightly on them.

as a wizard, money allows you to tell the real world to fuck off. Only normies associate money with happiness.

Financial security and a couple grands per month above that would make me serene and happy, I guess


Not sure about "the big bucks", where mo-money-mo-problems happen all the time

>>223951
>It’s easy to assume that more money, more stuff, and more status will make us happier


well, im a minimalist this days

>>224244
>starvation


Funny thing is, in Wect Europe (e.g. 1870s Ireland) same settis is labelled as "famine" oooooohhhhh…

>>223968
I think this is the most pragmatic and realistic answer. Having money may or may not make you happy but having no money will make your life very difficult. Up to a certain threshold money improves your lot in life. Beyond that point returns are diminished. Money is happiness insofar as it ensures you food, shelter, water, safety, basic needs for survival.

After that more money is less important than things such as self determination, free time, leisure, ability to pursue goals and interests, etc.

Time is the much more important assuming you have reached the point of basic survival. Most humans have to spend the majority of their life laboring. More money for a lot would only mean doing the same but with slightly more luxury. Driving a slightly better car isn't really going to make you much happier. A slightly bigger living space isn't. Self determination however might.

>>223951
> It’s easy to assume that more money, more stuff, and more status will make us happier.

Money and status are power.

Power only makes you happy if you know yourself and know what makes you happy. It takes self-awareness to know to be happy.

Most people are not self-aware and their closest hope is relating to and engaging with some religion. This explains the woke and pill manic hysteria we've got today.

> I’ve seen videos of small villages in Africa where people live with almost nothing—no Wi-Fi, no fancy houses, no designer anything. And yet they laugh. They sing. They dance in the streets. They seem genuinely joyful. Not because they have everything,

Yeah, and then they communally lynched some poor dude for being a witch or a pedo, but really it was because some envious insecure sub5 saw his wife looking at him or he rejected some succubus, and they used the rumor-mill to kill him. They don't have the shit to keep envy and typical normie psychopathy in line.

"Thou shalt not covet"

>>224234
> true communism has never been tried either?
There can't be such thing as a "true" communism because they're all interpretations.

A true state of "Communism" is not attainable/implementable because people are not equal in thier abilities and desire to contribute — they can't give a fuck because they don't know how to use money to be happy. They are equal in their rights not to be fucked with though. Communism recruits envy to create equality by fucking with people, "behold the inequality between the classes/identity!". It's not a stable state so it has to be implemented.

Communism is a fucking shit religion — just keep healthy and get a fleshlight boyo.

If you know a lifestyle that can make you happy, then hell fucking yeah!

>>225257
There is a middle ground between a few hundred decrepit old mummies owning 90% of everything in both communism and laissez-faire capitalism.

It's called social democracy and it has made places like Norway some of the happiest societies of Earth.

Also, not 10 old decrepit faggots owning all the oil in Norway, but a huge national fund owned by every citizen, which reinvests the profits into international stocks, and the dividends are used to the benefit of average Norwegians.

The malaise and disease in both communism and unfiltered capitalism is a busful of half-mummified corpses owning everything.
Very easily avoidable by coding and enshrining key resources of the country into law, and henceforth to every single citizen of that country.

The only reason US leftists and republicans oppose fairer resource allocation is because they're convinced if they win and live long enough, they'll be one of those decrepit old tormentor oppressors.

They're narcissistic, malevolent monsters on both sides of the political spectrum, aiming for the same dream. Them having everything and everyone else having breadcrumbs.

>>225286
>There is a middle ground between a few hundred decrepit old mummies owning 90% of everything in both communism and laissez-faire capitalism

Yeah… I think the commie one is better "as a person" but less profitable

>>223968
>>223968
this

it's called "lifestyle inflation"

>>225286
Okay now take away the oil

>>225333
They could still nationalize other key resources like forests, salmon fisheries and minerals.

There is absolutely, utterly, zero reason to give control and profit of all these resources to 10 billionaires instead of all the 4 million citizens of the country benefiting from them equally.

Alaska also has an oil fund that distributes annual checks to anyone who has been a permanent resident for 5 years. I don't remember the exact sum but depending on the year it's been around 1200-2000 USD a year.

The other alternative is nobody gets 2000 a year and a group of 5 greedy old billionaire faggots hoard it all.
I don't understand why some people support the hoarder scenario.

Oh wait, I do. They are so delusionally grandiose, narcissistic and egoistic they think they can be one of those 10 billionaires if they just suck up to them long enough. While they don't even care about the middle class suckups existence.

Everything is relative. A great trade gig In Finland pays 70k. You won't do anything after work. So I would much prefer a work that allows me to easily drag My ass to gym or running

Given that material ownership has increased 1000 fold the past 200 years and humans haven't got much happier, I think this idea of money = happiness has been thoroughly deboonked.

>>225337
Actually there is one huge reason, found in 2 different interpretations. 1) Despite being a divine creation made out of "clay" (see Genesis), human is full of passions. Needs restraits.
2) A human is ultimately a mutated ape. Always tends to form a hierarchy.
[1+2) food chain "clay", not SiO2 "clay"???]

Should you try make people equal financially, people withh bash each other over other problems. Less substantial ones.

A bunch of billionaires is like "Oh-no-no, we all know how you'll be at each others throats, someone has to be on top at any given time"

>>225340
Not just this booshi
thik again
2010s Japan is full of drudged tired "sarariman" e.g. salary men. Some even died of "karoshi".

1920s Japan was much poorer, but…


…yeah, I think your point stands.

>>225344
> Should you try make people equal financially, people withh bash each other over other problems. Less substantial ones.
"Equality of outcome" is code for envy. We need rights and ways of protecting those rights.

Nobody is equal, people trade.

>>225340
There are billions of people alive today whose lives are infinitely worse than their ancestors lives. A bangladeshi farmer in the 1800s had a decent house and worked mostly during harvest season.

His descendant works 12-16 hours a day every day of the year except Sundays and never has a holiday. If he refuses to work for $2 a day he starves to death.

Not everyone gets to participate in the material ownership increase. In that example country, it's largely concentrated in the hands of 20 oligarchs.

>>225361
Well IN the countries where people had the material increase there was no real increase in happiness. No idea why you're bringing in all this irrelevant information.

>>225362
Because you said "people" when you meant a small subset of whites.

>>225361
All the problems of the third world are present because third worlders don't want to do anything about it.

>>225368
Like Haiti being forced to pay reparations equal to 26% of their annual GDP to France under the threat of invasion (for loss of slavery and plantation income after their independence) for 122 years?

Those pesky unruly third worlders.
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/10/05/1042518732/-the-greatest-heist-in-history-how-haiti-was-forced-to-pay-reparations-for-freed

>>225370
We covered that fairy tale the last time you sperged out about it, you gay communist.

>>225371
There are no communists and no gays here. You failed to take your schizo meds.

>>225401
inb4 Gay surname

>>225361
Why do you think South Asians are tiny with skinnyfat bodies? Their bodies literally adapted to famine because so many starved to death, it's similar to insular dwarfism. Other tropical countries like Peru and Malaysia have likewise tiny people because they had to adapt to famine conditions with the monsoons.

>A bangladeshi farmer in the 1800s had a decent house and worked mostly during harvest season.


Rice farming was a collectivist, communal thing. You're thinking of wheat growing areas where it's often one husband plowing the field on a homestead with a nuclear family. And even that was basically limited to Northern Europe. Instead the South Asian rice farmer lived in a gigantic house with his extended family.

>>223951
For me money is extremely important because I have none of it and live with abusive parents. Money will be the only thing that will be able to set me free. Sadly getting a job in the third world is next to impossible. I wish I could explain my situation better but the lack of money is causing a severe hindrance to me. I have tried earning money online but have had no luck whatsoever. And as sad as it is, it's only the parents who will provide some financial support (at the cost of abusing you) while relatives and friends won't even get you a glass of water. I really wish I had money just enough to live alone.

>>225405
There is no freedom like financial freedom

>>223951
Money helps only to pay your bills and to buy stuff, nothing more

>>223951
Yes, money does make people happy/happier.
https://danluu.com/dunning-kruger/#income-happiness
>Image soure: GSS.

Nobody can speak for everyone nor for all possibilities. I have gone up and down in wealth and incomes and my personal happiness has always directly correlated, even over the course of a year, despite my lifestyle remaining unchanging and geared towards a lower income. The sense of security afforded by income is an inarguable balm in my experience. I can't speak for everyone, but personally I had behavioral problems related to a sense of food insecurity as early as kindergarten due to being underweight. I think early life food security probably translates into wealth satisfaction or dissatisfaction in adult life. Food insecurity is not addressed by eating, obviously it's more calming to have your cake than to eat it, sometimes I still walk into the pantry just to verify that my dried spaghetti still exists and could still last a very long time and then walk away satisfied. If my walks to the pantry revealed an empty pantry and I had grown used to seeing an empty pantry I would still be distressed at the sight of the empty pantry. That's a lived experience, not speculation.

I think it's extremely common to overestimate the extent to which poorer populations are "happy with nothing" based off of five minutes of seeing villagers smile instead of looking at five years of hearing father quietly crying in his room because he no longer believes he can make ends meet for his children.

https://happiness-science.org/price-of-happiness/

>I’ve seen videos of small villages in Africa where people live with almost nothing—no Wi-Fi, no fancy houses, no designer anything. […] Then I look around around at places like California, where people live in luxury condos, drive $200k cars, and eat at places that cost more than some families make in a week.
The only one of those that Californians actually have is wi-fi, what are you talking about? This is what California looks like.

>>225465
Yeah, that douche thinks everyone in Cali has a brand new Tesla, BMW or Porsche and lives in a multi million mansion with two swimming pools.

Most people struggle and the avg. income of the state is grossly exaggerated due to a few thousand really rich people.
I literally had to move out due to gentrification. Could not afford even a 1 bedroom apartment as a white collar worker.

>>223951
The problem is that our social relationships are conditioned by economic factors, so it's not as simple as just changing perspective or giving up on materialism. For the average person most of their time will be spent working, so their relationships will be with their boss and coworkers. Even if you choose to become a NEET, the possibilities for your social life will still be determined by your lack of money. For most people money isn't simply about collecting luxury goods, it's about the freedom to exist, to pay for food, housing, medicine, the essentials of life. It's true that for rich people consuming more products won't bring happiness, but for a poor or average person having more money can be lifechanging because it gives them freedom.

>>225470
True. Hence poor neets play video games and complain on reddit while rich neets their age sail on yachts, travel to Tokyo for lunch and visit exotic islands for fun.

It's all determined by money. Money is the same as class or rank in 2025. The exact same stratification as the peasant-noble spectrum in the middle ages, but without titles. Only the amount of money you have matters.

>>225466
or even worse, doesn't realize every second person who owns a Tesla has to keep up with a loan - be it on the very Tesla or a house to keep the said Tesla

>>225689
Unless it's a Porsche 911, an M series BMW or a Model S Tesla I assume whatever cheapo variant they have is on loan/credit.

I also find all mercedes lame unless it's something like a Mercedes GT nobody can buy on credit, in which case the person is actually rich

>>225689
>>225690
The only reason these "people" buy these cars is in order to insert their penises inside of signal sensitive vaginas and or anuses. Or to rub their penises against other penises. It is astonishing at first blush that the minimum cost of entrance to another gentleman's anus is in the six figure range and requires a mortgage in the city of San Francisco but I assume that within that demographic, one cannot really put a price on HIV-negative homosexual intercourse.

Doesn't make you happy by rule but at least it makes you survive. The biggest advantage of having money is that you don't need to waste your time worrying about money all the time. Achieving passive income should be a wizard's priority.

>>225691
You're forgetting about "actual consumerism" aka buying a cool car because:

1) midlife crisis, trying to catch up SOME time to be cool
but not cool enough to rock it up with pulling up a stunt of renting out a Harley bike and wearing own old rocker-themed leathe rjacket… or borring one from a relative/fren lol

2) trying to look cool for people who love gossiping (not the direct "want to put" but rather to avoid "dude, cringe" type reaction from colleagues, shold those be some corpo f*s (which's supposed to be decoded as "friends" lol)