No.225322
Normies call themselves wizards to avoid being called crab since 2012
No.225324
Isn't Wojak not allowed to be posted here?
No.225326
>>225324>Isn't Wojak not allowed to be posted here?Sorry, I didn't know. I thought only 3D was banned.
No.225576
>>225322It's going to affect everyone now that there's a media focus on it.
All normies are now successful 'crabs' and that contributes to the pov that non-normies are crabs (which isn't fucking true).
The fact that there's 'avoid' now is shit.
No.225585
>>225321I spent most of the late 2000s on imageboards and I don't recall ever hearing the term "crab." If it was a thing it was obscure
No.225590
>>225585Now it's been "studied" by "academia" and is a compulsory part of school curriculums.
No.225591
>>225585They were just called afc's (pua term meaning average frustrated chump) and betas.
Then later it turned into ìncel.
The basic idea is the same, men with ugly faces and bodies who try their hardest but can't have sex a single time despite decades of trying.
Some turn bitter and angry, some accept their fate. All are labeled.
No.225594
>>225591>They were just called afc's (pua term meaning average frustrated chump) and betas.AFC and beta just describe failure/low status and don't carry the fucked up connotation that crab does.
>The basic idea is the same, men with ugly faces and bodies who try their hardest but can't have sex a single time despite decades of trying.This is common crab logic and not really true. "crab" isn't well defined (except as a self-identity), every NGO charity and clique defines it their way.
What's to stop people from calling geezers crab and harassing them?
No.225600
>>225322Where have you ever seen this happen? The wizard meme comes from a relatively obscure anime that most normalfags wouldn't know. I have to admit I don't use social media or discord anymore but when I did (which was after 2012) I had never seen the term come up. The only place a normalfag could even see it being used is r9k (and mostly old r9k since the userbase now is almost totally filled with newfags) and the sharty wiki that has a page on wizchan. If anything I'm glad that the term is relatively unknown, we've already lost "neet" to them.
No.225603
>>225600It might be his way of saying that all wizards are crabs, as in "voluntary" celibacy isn't real and that those who say they don't want ex are lying.
No.225604
>>225603It is 100% real as long as the person in question as a straight male has at least some realistic chance of getting sex from local succubi but chooses not to pursue it.
Of course if every succubus in a 500 mile radius of him is disgusted by him physically and he gets nothing despite 50000 tries, then it's obviously not voluntary.
In order to voluntarily reject something, you need to have the realistic proven chance of obtaining it but actively choose not to.
A broke junkie with $3 to his name obviously can't voluntarily reject to buy a $30 million penthouse apartment in Manhattan. Even if he wanted to, he couldn't.
No.225605
>>225603You're probably right, I think that's what he meant. Although I would mostly disagree with his statement. In fact it's become popularized among the youth to call themselves crabs and loiter around such culture. And also I strongly disagree with the wizards=crabs in denial argument. Obviously you can never really know for sure what someone is thinking but even if there was a person calling himself a wizard that acted and spoke in the manner of a wizard but still had the primitive urge of lust in the back of his mind whilst trying to fight it then I wouldn't call him a crab.
No.225606
>>225604>if every succubus in a 500 mile radius of him is disgusted by him physically and he gets nothing despite 50000 tries, then it's obviously not voluntary.>In order to voluntarily reject something, you need to have the realistic proven chance of obtaining itNo, if you don't want something, then you don't want it. Whether a man's celibacy is to his choosing or not depends on only one thing: his choice to not persue sex. His status as a voluntary celibate is in zero ways changed by the sexual preferences of succubi anywhere in the world.
No.225607
>>225606Your post doesn't pertain to ìncels in any way.
Yes, if you genuinely never even wanted sex (like me), you're not a participant at all. That's a real volcel.
99,99999% of failed normies are NOT volcels. They're ugly guys who spent years or even decades since teenhood attempting to hit on succubi with zero results.
That is not voluntary celibacy. That is succubi collectively forcing celibacy on them by rejecting all of their advances (which they have a right to do).
No.225613
>>225607what about the guys who never talk to succubi or strangers in general but still fantasize about having gfs and harems like in anime and manga?
No.225616
>>225613I assume that those guys fit into to some kind of "crab" for you?
Alana invented "invcel" in 1999.What is the status of those guys to you before and after 1999? What if they're not aware of "crab" definitions and culture a all?
No.225629
>>225613Then you're in celibacy but actively wish you werent, i.e it's involuntary.
No.225635
>>225629All in your head bud.
You say this because you have the definition of an "crabdom" in your mind.
No-one has to be an "crab" if they don't want to be one.
No.225636
>>225635You don't get to choose your labels. That's dumb woke shit. Society decides what you are.
If you're born with a penis you are male. If your skin is black nobody is going to respect you self-identifying as white. If you try to get sex from 1000 succubi and fail 1000 times you're in involuntary celibacy.
Personal self-deceit is irrelevant. Nobody respects it and it's all in your head, like that weirdo german succubus who took extreme amounts of Melanotan to appear "African". She's a joke and nobody actually sees her as anything but a mentally ill german.
No.225637
>>225636>Society decides what you are.Reality decides what you are. If you're a virgin and you're choosing to not have sex, then you're voluntary celibate. It doesn't matter how 'desirable" you are to the average succubus.
No.225638
>>225636>Society decides what you are.No it doesn't at all. If society believes in flat Earth theory, that doesn't make the Earth flat, only them retards.
>If you're born with a penis you are male. If your skin is black nobody is going to respect you self-identifying as white.That isn't society, that's biology.
>If you try to get sex from 1000 succubi and fail 1000 times you're in involuntary celibacy.That's an invented concept that only exists in the minds of those that actually believe in it (and perform it) and in many cases the goal posts are shifted to harass people. Does not being able to fuck in the refractory period count as involuntary celibacy? Not reasonable for you?
You're an "crab" if you believe in "crabdom" even if you don't self identify as one yet because you believe that there is an "crabdom" state.
No.225639
>>225637Wrong, if you are undesirable to succubi you are a crab. You have no choice in this because it's been decided by the matriarchy and female hivemind that you are either too autistic or too plain with 0 rizz and no game or maybe you have some blacktag on your neck and a succubi wouldn't want to kiss it. Voluntary celibacy is only for those who already had sex and choose to abstain from it, it's not a choice for virgins, since virgins are naturally unattractive to succubi.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) No.225640
"crab" has two definitions
+ Someone who cannot have sexual intercourse (literal meaning)
+ Someone who defines it (the term), uses it and applies it to social commentary, explaining how things are using the term (all crab communities in practice)
Using the term to make narrative regardless of who you are and where you are in the political map makes you an "crab" theorist. Those in the "crab" communities express Rodgerist (aggressive sexual envy) and Marxist (gross entitlement and identity bullshit) sentiments.
Widespread adoption of the word makes men's objective worth succubus-centric by social consensus. It's all honor-culture bullshit, it's point is to shut you up.
>>225639>Wrong, if you are undesirable to succubi you are a crab.Wizards or not, this demonstrates my point.
>>225636>You don't get to choose your labels. Society decides what you are.Again, in case you didn't get it the first time.
"crab" wasn't invented by men and it's cucked.
It's in
your and all men's interests to for this word to be seen for the misandry it is and for it to go away, forever.
And thank you for banning that low IQ idiot
>>225639.
No.225641
>spook terms
Yeah, every single trend slang terms that arose post 2014 is to be shunned. Just another way of categorizing people without knowing shit about anything. Very tired of that, humanity hasn't left high school yet.
No.225646
>>225638The Earth's shape isn't subjective. Your social status is. Because it depends completely on other people.
A beggar doesn't get to identify as the king of a nation. A 4'9 chinese midget doesn't get to identify as a black NBA player.
You are what other people label you as, whether you want it or not.
I was labeled a nerd in HS and college purely due to my appearance, despite the fact I don't give a shit about books, anime or even video games. I was completely cut off from college sports because even the head coach saw me as a nerd due to my looks.
I'm not internally a nerd. But I was forced to socially live as one because other people decided that upon evaluating my attributes.
No.225649
>>225646>You are what other people label you as, whether you want it or not.So, you want everyone to believe in "crab" and then you win? You're a good guy.
>Because it depends completely on other people."crab" doesn't exist in most languages.
>A beggar doesn't get to identify as the king of a nation.This analogy doesn't really apply to made up words and imaginary systems you muggle.
"crabs" didn't exist until 1997 and was invented out of thin air.
No.225650
>>225646Good post. Reminds me of "sovereign citizens" especially in Arkansas getting their asses kicked regularly by cops and courts despite strongly believing they are exempt from laws or government.
You don't choose whether laws apply to you or not. Other people (i.e. voters and juries) decide that.
It's staggering how many people think they can choose how other people view and categorize them as. You're a lawbreaker if you kill someone randomly regardless of you believing in punishments or not. Lol
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/sovereign-citizen-movement-united-states No.225651
>>225649>"crabs" didn't exist until 1997 and was invented out of thin air.crabs (men or more rarely, succubi, who can't get sex no matter how hard they try despite wanting to) have existed as long as humanity has. The literary term has varied.
Just 20 years ago it was AFC. 100 years ago it was "fruit" or "spinster" (the former implying the man is a gay due to being unable to get any succubus).
In the middle ages, men who were permavirgins were mocked as eunuchs.
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/social-sciences-and-humanities/eunuch No.225652
>>225650>You don't choose whether laws apply to you or not. Other people (i.e. voters and juries) decide that. Nobody believes in "crabs" but there is a growing awareness of "crab" communities.
>>225651>crabs have existed as long as humanity has. The literary term has varied.That's an "crab believer" retcon of world history.
AFCs, "fruits" and "spinsters" don't carry the fucked up connotations that "crabs" do and the mockery suggests they're voluntary.
It's a definition you have believe in, you both know this shit.
No.225653
>>225651>implying the man is a gay due to being unableVolcel if you wouldn't.
No.225656
>>225652Not that poster you're quoting, but average frustrated chumps (afc) were considered non-voluntary by pickup artists, they coined the term in fact
(to refer to men who go clubbing, hate not getting sex but are too ugly and/or unattractive and awkward to get it).
It was just a nicer way of calling a lower value man an īncel without the implications of a school shooter or other violent extremist.
No.225660
>>225651>crabs have existed as long as humanity has. The literary term has varied.>Just 20 years ago it was AFC. 100 years ago it was "fruit" or "spinster".>In the middle ages, men who were permavirgins were mocked as eunuchs.>https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/social-sciences-and-humanities/eunuchI'm trying to argue that "crab" communities have a definition they agree on at their core and they tell the world story using that. You've just done that.
It's like I'm discussing with a person from a community with deep convictions about life.
This has inspired me to start a new thread in the /lounge/,
Are "crabs" a 21st century religion?.
No.225661
>>225652>Nobody believes in "crabs" but there is a growing awareness of "crab" communities.There are entire crab truther communities that exist SOLELY to prove they are real. Do you seriously think the imitation crab meat for sale at the grocery store is a part of some conspiracy? Crabs are real and live in the ocean. Wake the FUCK up.
No.225667
>>225661>There are entire crab truther communities that exist SOLELY to prove they are real.You really want to convert people to this shit don't you.
No.225783
>>225646>You are what other people label you as, whether you want it or not.>I was labeled a nerd in HS and college purely due to my appearance, despite the fact I don't give a shit about books, anime or even video games. I was completely cut off from college sports because even the head coach saw me as a nerd due to my looks.>I'm not internally a nerd. But I was forced to socially live as one because other people decided that upon evaluating my attributes.You sound very mentally weak. Would you start watching my little pony if you were labeled as a brony? Don't conform to their expectation, yes this will have consequences such as being ostracized. But far better than being a doormat for society.
No.225795
>>225639OP here.
I have raised this topic on other platforms and there are so many users that aggressively defend Alana's all inclusive
"everyone single qualifies as a crab" definition. Only the people in communities that use this definition to describe themselves and society really are.
I didn't know that there are people that actually want this word/whatever to be a thing that people perform to. It's quite the rabbit hole.
Wizards seem to have the sanest approach to the Manosphere.
No.225800
>>225795That quote is categorically false. Not all single people want sex.
Only those singles who desperately try to get sex with every method imaginable and still remain sexless for years and decades are incẹls. Who then start raging at the opposing gender online and doing mass shootings against them.
That has nothing to do with wizards. Wizards don't seek sex and some of them might even be good looking and genuinely, voluntarily opt out of relationships and sex.
Incẹls are very low quality men being weeded out of the gene pool against their own will. They are angry, genetically bottom of the barrel quasi-terrorists who don't accept their fate.
No.225804
>>225800>Only those singles who desperately try to get sexNot even those singles are crabs because they don't self-identify or know the culture.
>They are angry, genetically bottom of the barrel quasi-terrorists who don't accept their fate.This is only partially correct. They get recruited online by trolls who push
"everyone single qualifies as a crab" first.
The only logical definition for "crabs" is
"everyone who uses the word crab to analyse society and refer to themselves and/or others" because that's
all their communities do in practice. Anyone who sounds like that and tries to defend Alana's definition (like asserting that it's a "state of being" etc.) is one of them.
There are so many attempts to defend the definition on this thread alone, and I'm saying that this is also true on many other platforms.
It's like they're trying to spread an ideology.
>>225646 tried to argue that it is a consensus label that makes you one. That would work only if everyone used it that way.
I don't understand what would motivate someone to defend such a destructive word like that. Are "crabs" a 21st century religion?
>>225661 ,^ I think this question is a rabbit hole.
No.225806
>>225804You don't have to identify as a NEET to be classified one officially by the government. People can't decide their own social status. That's done by people who hold power in that society.
No.225808
>>225806>You don't have to identify as a NEET to be classified one officially by the government. People can't decide their own social status. That's done by people who hold power in that society.Are you a -vum?
Anyone who hasn't held a job for a minimum of a month qualifies as an "involuntarily umemployed". The "invums" have suffered microaggressions and fake "personal responsibility" trolling for as long as human history even before the term was coined in 2025.
Invum is an involuntary state of being and not a movement or an ideology - Invum forum introduction
I will soon create a forum and invite some NEETs who qualify to discuss and share experiences and all the reasons why someone could be an invum. I expect to find racevums, femvums and many mentalvums there.
Femvums have actually existed for a long time and you can't argue against that. They might need their own group - Vumen's rights?
It's early so the word hasn't caught on yet but it could be mainstream in 30 years or so. Then the "invum theory" could catch on and people can start to label each other "-vums".
No.225814
>>225808Yeah, that just sounds psychotic. People will continue using NEET, íncel or other established terms because they can quickly form a mental image based on what they heard influential people talking about them.
It doesn't matter if they're derogatory or not, humans are vindictive bullying animals and have no morals. They want to openly ostracize and torment those who don't fit in.
No.225817
>>225814>Yeah, that just sounds psychotic.Exactly what I'm trying to say, inventing and then astroturfing "crab" in 1997 is just as psychotic as "invum" or "inNEET", but guess what, you're defending it to me as an established term. I guess it's psychotic until I've convinced 10k followers they're inNEETs and get featured on a Netflix documentary.
Think of every other social adjective and prefix it with "involuntary" and create a crybully forum about it and simmer for 3 years before letting the radicals out to other forums. I would estimate up to 10% of male spaces being crab believers with the rate going up to 30% for dating related forums.
No.225826
>>225817I have a proper answer though.
"Involuntary" people are Internet addicts
No.225832
>>225817(edited)
Jokes on you
I used to be an invum for ages XD
Context: in my single-parent family, I wanted to work since 14 (struggling with the money) and my self-esteem took a massive hit from not being able to work because me mum is all about edumacation XDDD she was all about bullying me into getting a speciality, all the "go study, sonny, you must! whadda you mean you don't want to? you'll get conscripted!" as if i am a yet another silly stag full of desire for an adventure, hustles, yadda, yadda, no respect for getting a legit job
and on top of that, shes the kind of person who was paid daily! Not monthly, not weekly, daily! She would straight up bust her day payday on munchies, on funsies, anx then proceed to roll her eyes every time I bring up the financial adultness topic
No.225842
>>225817Honestly, it's far higher in all generations millennial and younger. At least 70%+ of the men are getting zero action or they are even openly mocked by succubi of their gen on tiktok.
A small percentage of good looking zoomers and gen A men who aren't soy infused multigender neurotics get to fuck dozens and hundreds of succubi.
No.225870
>>225842"crab" is just a definition but I don't deny that the dating economy can shift and be shit to men.
>they are even openly mocked by succubi of their gen on tiktok."crab" forums regularly catch and ban succubi so it's no surprise if a large proportion of lurkers are succubi, these succubi are in on the "crab" game. The BP is trending on tiktok right now.
They're studying "crabs" and then using that stuff to try to "neg" men online.