No.230419
>>230418If our daily food is replaced by only eating bananas, what will happen to the next generation in the future?
No.230420
There was no thread about veganism because veganism is really unhealthy.
No.230421
>>230419>>230419Im OP Let me explain, eating bananas is comparable to consuming our daily staple foods. Bananas aid digestion and provide a sense of fullness, much like eating meat. In conclusion, bananas can serve as a substitute for our daily staple foods.
No.230422
>>230421>Bananas aid digestion and provide a sense of fullnessSo does water.
>In conclusionThere was one sentence.
>bananas can serve as a substitute for our daily staple foods.Staple foods shouldn't be substituted at all. Bananas lack protein and other vital amino acids, and to eat enough bananas to get your daily recommend dose of many important nutrients would put you several magnitudes above your sugar intake.
No.230423
i would kill a cow if it looked at me funny. im eating meat till the day i die
No.230425
>>230424That's about the kind of image I'd expect from a vegan.
No.230426
I've been vegan for 48 hours now. Feels good man. Just putting another pot of prison gruel on the stove now.
No.230427
Not vegan but vegetarian, microbiology has made cheese making non cannibalistic so I still enjoy cheese occasionally, thankfully most cheeses today are made from non animal rennet
No.230428
>>230423Who asked toothless zombie
No.230446
Ive been leaning into fruitetarianism lately and I can confirm that you stop creating odor. I enjoy this new lifestyle because its 0 harm. I never enjoyed how it felt to eat roots or leaf vegetables because I felt like each meal took a precious life away.
No.230456
I remember veganwiz
No.230459
>>230425That's about the kind of reply i'd expect from a faggot.
>>230446I couldn't possibly, I like potatoes too much
No.230460
>>230419You can’t live on just bananas. You can live on bread, vegetables, soy milk, seeds, nuts, fruit, potatoes, and a b12, iodine and D3 supplement
>>230427The dairy industry is the veal industry
>>230446Stop. Cook your food. Eat enough plants and not just fruit.
No.230472
I do this experiment once every couple of years because I always meet a new never-vegan who sees me as small minded for limiting my food intake. The inverse is of course the truth (ive tried several types of legumes that 99% of the population has never heard of) so I challenge them to swap diets with me. After my first meal im always violently ill. The carnivore who tries my diet always reports back that they have felt as healthy as they ever have for the time they try veganism.
Im doing this experiment with my dad. I cooked him a bunch of oats because he wasnt used to being full without the feeling of nausea. He keeps talking about how healthy his movements are, and how well hes been sleeping, and how much energy he has at work. Meanwhile I have been getting violently ill from having to suddenly get used to eating small amounts of poop and pee that most carnivores simply tolerate.
I can never go more than a week of eating the low quality meat that most people suffer through because i refuse to catch a fever for people who inevitably return to their sub-par diets simply because they prefer the taste of some meats enough to tolerate the lethargy.
No.230475
what is marketed as 'vegan' foodstuff looks like processed thrash to me
now I think about it I already eat vegetarian, but not by subscription to a lifestyle or identity
No.230515
humans need meat. but they also need vegetables. i'm still eating meat, but i'm starting to eat hundreds of fruits and vegetables every day. i'm also drinking lots of water every day.
No.230517
How long have you been vegan or vegetarian , 5 vegetarian years for me
I pity the sickly looking zombies who vacantly stare at the meat isle lmao
No.230518
>>230513ants are brainless. chickens and fish are, too. i'm an enlightened selective ethical ""pescetarian"". i don't eat nice animals like sheep and rabbits, but if i stomped a chicken to death i think they're so dumb and can survive off just a brain stem and lead a normal life that there wouldnt even be any noticeable suffering in the world.
im sure chickens in the distant past were more intelligent because it's strange how some birds are able to do math while chickens are too retarded to even feel pain. thats thanks to GMO and malnutrition for millennia probably idk. either way, there's obviously a huge difference in intelligence/suffering when you're talking about livestock and i think alot of vegans are dumb and blind for not discussing it. a dumbass sardine would have 0 reaction if you stomped its whole family to death in front of it, but goats would grieve horribly. ergo i'll eat the sardine but not the goat.
No.230519
>>230518Your brain seems rotten tbh
No.230520
>>230519yeah thats typically what vegans will tell me when i remind them that bees are too retarded to even notice you took their honey, i'm used to it.
keeping just 1 horse locked in a tiny dark stall it's lonely and uncomfortable in is more suffering than every bee in human history has endured.
No.230521
>>230520Why are you posting here if youre not vegan, who asked
No.230522
>>230521im doing the actually ethical and good optics thing that normal people could get behind. what im discussing would get actual recruitment behind animal rights. if PETA would talk like i am, i bet cows wouldnt even be farmed for meat anymore lol and fish farms would increase by 5000x instead. and fish farms would produce 0 suffering and the world would improve so drastically it can't even be put into words.
but you keep talking about your brainless bees and make normies laugh and never take you seriously.
No.230524
>>230523They should make these the rules on april fools, lmao
>>230513>how is it any different than killing a mammal for food?you just made an argument for cannibalism lololol
No.230537
>>230522>>230523Prion infected spongiform brains lol
No.230557
I'm vegetarian but not vegan because to me it's a deontological issue rather than a utilitarian one. I also don't believe in some of the core tenants of veganism, like the idea that animals have a "personhood" or are somehow on par with human beings and that making use of them in any way whatsoever is violating their rights. I do not believe that when a chicken lays an egg, I'm violating it's rights by frying it. There's also a political slant to it. I've seen people say that you can't be vegan and also racist and things like that. There's very much an overlap with veganism and "wokeism", etc.
No.230558
>>230557I flipped a coin and gotcha i got this great answer, great my brother. I like your answer, we're gangsta for this great one answer very nice
No.230580
>>230557I'm a vegan but I agree with you. The issue with dairy and eggs as they exist is unrelated to some wooey concept like a rights violation or something. Alot of vegans have a stupid framework, I only agree with them incidentally
No.230590
>>230557Op here
Vegan here
Vegans and veganism is ultimately a personal choice, but ive met very few people who go back once they've become accustomed to the routine and lifestyle of veganism. That isn't to say that veganism is hard to root yourself out of once youre in (as far as being in America goes) because its very difficult to avoid meat and dairy and eggs especially if you have a social life. I feel very strongly- and this is from my own personal experience and my observation of others- that once your gut gets used to a higher nut, fruit, grain, and vegetable diet that that is the way were supposed to eat.
A body can and will develop a tolerance to meat and dairy, but youre not optimizing your life. Once youre used to experiencing deep restful sleep and alertness and wakefulness throughout the day, willingly choosing the alternative is almost an impossible choice to make.
No.230592
>>230590>Vegans and veganism is ultimately a personal choiceYeah, vegan children must make the personal choice of either eating meat, or not getting beaten by their vegan genderfluid hippie parents
No.230593
>>230592I stand by what I said that its a personal choice. Even for vegans with kids, the kids should be allowed to choose. Forcing your kids to be vegan is just as sick to me as forcing your kids to eat meat which was how I was raised.
Heck in all of america if youre raised on food stamps, the viable nutrition sources you can afford based off your stipend are never vegan. I remember talking to my parents about wanting to cut out meat (not even eggs or dairy at that point) at a very young age, and was told "if you dont like what i feed you, then you can go hungry." So for me, it was overcooked porkchops for dinner or a hungry stomach as a child.
Parents can be dicks though. Who am I to criticize my parents, im sure they did the best they could.
No.230594
>>230593>forcing your kids to eat meat"Forced to eat meat" and "forced to be vegan" aren't comparable. Eating meat is normal and healthy. Abstaining from and especially substituting it with garbage is not. So forcing veganism upon a child is child abuse, while punishing that kid for not eating his chicken breast dinner is good.
No.230599
>>230593If a child had to choose they'd eat cuckdonalds all the time tardo
No.230600
>>230599>If a child had to choose they'd eat cuckdonalds all the time tardoBruh, cuckdonalds are total shit. even me as kid know that thing is total shit, that thing even smell or have good taste? bacause i remember as kid and was a total shit (even for homemade hamburgers) i doubt a child will want that, maybe sugars or icecream etc. but maybe in the American ethos world… i dont know.
>>230594>forced to ve veganI have a lot of problems with this, and not the religious ones.
>forced to eat veggiesI have no problem with this (maybe in some oddly specific cases)
No.230601
>>230594There's nothing normal or healthy about exclusively eating meat
No.230602
>>230601>exclusively eating meatNobody suggested anything close to eating ONLY meat. You may be hallucinating. Pork tenderloin cures such hallucinations.
No.230623
besides 3 apples i ate earlier in the day it is just smoothie for me all day. made from:
>banana
>red grape
>juice + pulp of one lemon
>small chunk of an (edible variety) aloe vera leaf without the skin (so just the goo basically)
>4 small dates
>cocoa powder
>a few freezedried dragonfruitchunks and that i got as a gift that i am trying to use up
>walnuts
>100% peanutbutter
had fresh ginger, forgot to add it.
No.230624
>>230419>If our daily food is replaced by only eating bananas, what will happen to the next generation in the future?more energy
less disease
no random fatigue during the day
better digestion
more poops per day but they are quicker because there is less to wipe
quicker recovery from injury
more kids because increased fertility and more attractive people
don't take anyone's word for it though. just do it for 1 or 2 weeks so you can experience this yourself.
No.230625
>>230446nice what are you eating currently? for me is
>banana (organic) these are always good, same high quality all year>apples (not organic) very nice currently! i most enjoy breaburns and grannysmith but i am very picky, they have to have the right crunch, juicyness and sourness or i stop buying them.>red grapes (not organic) they started selling lower quality ones for cheaper and higher quality ones for a higher price. quality and price varies a lot in grapes so currently i buy a few of the more expensive ones and put them into smoothies>lemon (organic) those are usually amazing, sometimes i just throw them whole into the smoothie with the rind and seeds though they make the smoothie rough No.230626
>>230459>I couldn't possibly, I like potatoes too muchstarch will feed your fungus plus potato is difficult to digest. the inability to eat regular potato raw should tell you anything you need know about this plant…
No.230640
>>230632Lol pieces of shit
No.230679
>>230624>less to wipeLiterally this + the fact that you wake up with more energy in the morning are the only reasons that I stuck to it in the early years. I thought it was funny that I had cut back so much on coffee I thought that I could kick it with the Mormons if I wanted to.
Just had a bowl of wood ear mushrooms which tasted a little had this exciting savory kick. The texture was very interesting unlike any other mushroom ive had before! Highly reccomend. Crazy high in b vitamins.
No.230709
>>230704A cake with no eggs or butter—that sounds depressing.
No.230712
>>230709A brainless ghoul that eats embryos is more disgusting
No.230714
>>230712i get eating eggs when you are starving in the woods and you are too stupid to understand that there is other stuff to eat. but when you have all the food available in the supermarket and you go there like a king and you can eat literally anything.
not eating fruit everyday when our ancestors dreamed of having the good fortune of access to fresh fruit all year round; that's disrespecting the ancestors
No.230722
I love eating fruits and vegetables. I’m starting to eat more apples, bananas, broccoli, oranges, etc. but I’m never giving up meat and eggs. I eat more than an entire bunch of bananas most days. Sometimes I’ll even go through an entire bag of apples. Right now my goal is to pound broccoli every day. But I also love eggs and beef and I won’t give those up.
No.230733
>>230709I know some people find it hard to believe that there is shit and like micro feces in beef and pork, but is it really too much of a stretch to point out how close to waste an unfertilized egg is to a chicken?
Also…
Cow's milk in the big 2026? That's a thinker…
No.230745
>>230744https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4724538/
>"The amino acids leucine and isoleucine are found in high levels in dairy products (Annigan 2014). The branched-chain volatile acids, isovaleric acid and 2-methylbutyric acid, stem from the metabolism of these two amino acids, respectively. East Asians and African-Americans experience higher levels of lactose intolerance than do Caucasians (ProCon.org 2010); hence we speculate that increased intake of dairy products by individuals of Caucasian descent results in increased levels of the branched chain amino acids in these individuals. There has been considerable speculation concerning the influence, if any, of diet on axillary odor, but little to no experimental data exists to date. However, Havlicek and Lenochova (2006) have shown that red meat consumption increases the negative hedonics of axillary odors (e.g., less attractive, more intense and unpleasant)."Stinky.
No.230747
>>230745>Lactose intolerance varies significantly by race, with approximately 90% of people of East Asian descent, 80% of Africans, while only about 5% of Northern Europeans are lactose intolerantGeg
No.230749
>>230744what if "lactose intolerance" is just the human body rejecting the poison and when you don't have it, that means your body is defficient in the ability to know what is good for it.
you drink the poison, your body literally on fire, but you sit there insisting it is fine. insisting has only hurt you all life long yet you still do it, hellbent never to learn from mistakes.
No.230750
>>230748>>230748are you fat? if not how do you stay chin with liking cheese that much.
i wanted to post in imagefile of a graph that shows that obesite went up with cheese consumption but i am sitting in a cafe on a vpn so i can't upload attachments even though i am the number one best attachment uploader ever to this website. no respect at all for me.
No.230751
>>230749>>230750Sounds like african asian cope lmao
No.230755
>>23075180% of the Earth's population is in Africa and Asia.
No.230756
>>230714>>230744Ugh… sorry, I only eat vegetables, But yeah… strangely enough, my voice can still shake the room, and I never run out of energy to ignore what you say. Sorry, my mediocre body and voice are nothing compared to you who eat luxury. It's just… you know, the cheap vegetables I eat every day make me immune to colds, my voice never gets hoarse, and my head stays straight even when you all drool. Oops, sorry, don't flatter me like that… I'm just a vegetable eater who doesn't know anything about good food. It's just… I wonder, even though I only eat plants, how can my voice be this strong, while those who say they 'eat everything' get tired easily when they shout? So, eat lots of green vegetables, right? Ah, I only eat leaves, needless to say, that's great. It's just… it's not bad, it keeps my voice clear and makes good.
No.230757
>>230755Wish theyd stay there lmao
No.230758
>>230751>Sounds like african asian cope lmaosounds like you were trying to gloss over the fact that cheese makes people fat and sick.
cheese to a fatty is like meth to a junkie. the only significant difference between cheese and hard drugs is that cheese destroys you slowly enough so that people who don't do their own thinking dont even notice.
No.230759
>>230755Who cares about shitskins, they aren't even human. Next thing you tell me indians are the apex of humanity because they are so numerous, lmao
No.230760
>>230758Sounds like afriasian cope geeeg
No.230764
>>230760this is dragon ice to prevent vegetables from rotting.
>>230758sound like afriasian cope geeg
No.230765
>>230764Yes, that's why vegetables or fruits are stored in the refrigerator or freezer so they last longer and don't rot.
No.230766
>>230518>>230522bumping my own posts because i'm the highest IQ "pescetarian"-lite here and im upset noone ever responds to me.
chickens are so retarded they can survive and still have a "personality" while completely brainless. i believe it was a massive failure of animal rights organizations to make these monstrous creatures their mascots.
No.230768
>>230766>i'm the highest IQ "pescetarian"-lite here and im upset noone ever responds to meNot doing Pescetarians any favors.
No.230773
>>230766The chicken holocaust (as most of us enlightened vegans refer to it) is not only a ethical and health problem, but is a human rights issue. I'll never argue against the massive canyon that exists between Chicken intelligence and human intelligence, but the underlying issue is the same. Chicken farms are the testing grounds for big pharmagricapitalists to find the perfect formula for making docile little products out of living breathing things. Chicken is the medium through which the steroids and antibiotics enter your system and make you farmable just like an animal. The prison we exist in is a prison we choose willingly and we are shackled by our stomachs.
No.230781
>>230766the idea that chickens don't suffer doesn't seem very realistic to me but it's not like i'm a neuroscientist and this is unfalsifiable anyway.
You'd need to be very, very confident in this assertion to act based on it.
No.230792
>>230766i can feel stuff you can't, i don't go around arguing that i should have the ability to decide whether you live. compared to me you are the chicken with. you're lucky others extend the compassion to you inferior species that you are unwilling to extend yourself.
your entire life is a graceless expression of conflict disguised as an emergency.
No.230793
>>230792>you inferior speciesHumans are the most superior species. People should acknowledge that more instead of trying to feel pity for mere animals. They only exist to serve us in terms of nutrients or labor.
No.230795
>>230790>>230791Lol the afriasian cope is desperate
No.230796
>>230793Get to work and pay your taxes
No.230799
>>230798"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
famous quotes in Animal Farm the novel book George Orwell's work
No.230801
>>230798>>230799Its The wolf in the sheep's clothing
No.230805
>>230793>Humans are the most superior species.which you can only feel the need to dwell on if you yourself are an inferior specimen within this species. if you were in the process of being in contact with your potential, you'd be humble and kind, not some nasty supremacist. because you can't reach height in climbing you want to identify with what others have achieved and make it seem like you are like them. you are not. you have never been near the human peak.
No.230807
>>230795>afriasian copecan't come up with new things to say and just repeat yourself huh
No.230813
>>230806>>230807Lactose intolerant afriasian geeeg
No.230814
>>230813all humans are lactose intollerant, even you. it is just you have so low standards, you don't care if it makes you sick and disabled. useful idiot for the malevolent processed food industry, waste of a human life.
No.230815
>>230806I hate this music so much
No.230819
>>230814Cuckfriasian seethe
No.230821
>>230818Oh anon it wasn't personal, so there is no need to be sarcastic. However, I reserve the right to express my utter disgust over your shit taste
No.230823
>>230821>Oh anon it wasn't personalpeople eat literal rot and fungus-mold that excludes them from being healthy and you absent-minded factory child have no opinion about it but you do have emotions to spare for whoever put music in the video. shaking my head at how dumb and misguided you are.
No.230824
>>230823What's wrong with mushrooms?
No.230825
>>230823That is because champignons are delicious anon, I eat the fungus itself
No.230829
>>230792sorry but not even niggers and inbred pakis commonly leave their children to die. chickens will lay fertilized eggs out in the middle of a road and let them decompose there or other chickens will cannibalize them first. and you're just utterly deranged and delusional for still defending them after ive given you evidence that they can exist comfortably while brainless. people like you are why real animal rights will never get off the ground. we'll just keep arguing over brainless bees and brainless chickens while real animals are tortured in pure agony and the meat industry laughs at your reverse propaganda.
No.230830
>>230829Youre a fucking idiot.
Chickens can and will stare down a buffalo if it comes between them and their eggs.
I know youre being retarded ironically but in case you actually believe chickens dont have a fierce instinct to protect your young, you can just look up chicken defends nest on any video streaming platform you want. Even the retarded on that radicalized you into hating minorities if you'd like.
No.230832
>>230815do i have another video for you hoe.
incoming!
No.230833
Is the afriasian still posting, fuckin tard
No.230835
>>230824>What's wrong with mushrooms?1.)they're almost animals (closer to animals then to plants)
2.)i don't know about all mushrooms but the obvious ones being eaten are the dicks of these gigantic underground network species that come out of the ground (or out of the wood they are cultivated on) to relese spores (ejaculate).
so they are animal penises basically
3.)this is about what happens in the cells. fungus is already everywhere and your body tries to get it out. to your body it is a similar pest problem as parasites are. it is difficult enough to hold the conditions in which they can not spread througout you. your body painstakingly tries to hold a certain ph to keep all this shit dormant and when it fails to keep the ph, this stuff is not going to invade you, it is already in you and it just wakes up and start eating you the second the ph changes enough to unfreeze them. you shoveling more fungus inside you adds to that problem. well some people enjoy being at war and i guess this includes the war they fight inside their own body against hungry critters and fungi who are ready to eat them. imagine thinking you are an apex predator killing weaker animals and eating them, arrogantly asserting that nature is brutal and the strong shall rule the weak, while internally being ruled by fungi and bugs; unbeknownst to the apex predator that is.
4.)this is about digestion. when you are in emergency mode though (and your body is) your relationship with the fungus is even more complicated then that. you are likely to have a sort-off symbiosis with fungi in the lower long windy parts of your digestive tube. imagine green mouldy little pockets of fungi that help digest starches and grains for you and your body does want them out but also they do help make nutrients available to you that you otherwise could barely absorb so your body kind of wants them to stay. they do reduce the absorption surface though because the walls of the food tube need to be empty and not blocked by fungus. if the stommach-contents can't come close enough to the cells doing the absorption, their straws can not reach the smoothie and they can not slurp it.
No.230843
i don't enen consider it veganism, to me it is just staying healthy while most people get sicker. i watch a omnivore streamer and i can hear his mucus, when he coughs it sounds moist, thick and slimy. he also burps a lot and then moans in pain after every burp. dude lost most of his hair, overweight, poor eyesight.
i get that people find overengineered modern factoryfood pleasurable to eat but no taste can justify being in this bad of a shape. no feeling on the tongue can possibly justify this result.
that dude is trapped in bad habits and has no idea of how much better his life would be with sompler, more natural food. eating apples all day and reduce his stupidfood to one portion in the middle of his day would revolutionize this fool's life but he doesn't know. needless suffering.
No.230846
>>230835George Washington carver studied mushrooms and described them as the oldest and most advanced intelligence on the planet. I feel that if they didn't want to be farmed and cultivated and eaten, then they wouldn't be.
No.230849
>>230843Most food is industrially produced even fruit and vegetables, but yeah meat is some of the worst things you could eat, laced with hormones and chemical preservatives of all sorts
Wish I had a price of land to grow my own food, my I could actually grow a lot on a small piece of land, to me growing a healthy non genetically modified wheat variety would be great
No.230851
>>230846>I feel that if they didn't want to be farmed and cultivated and eaten, then they wouldn't be.well in a way you are correct while still being foolish not understanding the somewhat parasitic potential of mushrooms. you know how they grow shitake mushrooms on mushroom logs? mushrooms can also grow on you.
i had a mushroom growth inside me a few years ago briefly. i was sleeping under a blanket wearing thin cotton pants and that was too hot and i didn't mind not yet knowing the danger. it was very hot and i would sweat and i wouldn't care. what i did was create the ideal conditions for mushrooms to grow and one the back of my knee, this itchy red circle would appear and i felt the moment it sproutet in me. fucking mushroom took my knee over! but no worries, i detoxed to the best of my ability, exercised, make sure to have better climate around my knee and it went away and never came back.
i cant make sense of the process entierly but what i have pieced together and in good-faith believe to be true is when you eat mushrooms you get 'mushroom building blocks' inside you and those can grow on you and start to multiply if conditions are sufficiently bad. if you were healthy eating a mushroom once in a while won't cause damage to you. you'd have systems that quickly deal with all intrusion and limit any damage that can be caused and if damage happens, it can quickly be repaired. but since you aren't healthy, it would be in your best interest to stay away. but since you don't act in your own bad interest nothing even matters to you anyways.
you arguing for the eating of mushrooms is not unlike arguing that ticks are part of nature too and deserve your blood, stop being anti-tick.
No.230852
>>230849>Most food is industrially produced even fruit and vegetables, fruits and vegetables (unless grown in some new type of vertical farms that might not even use soil anymore but some petroleum based substitute) are mostly just washed, sorted and packaged in industrial scale as far as i can tell. though bill gates is working hard to change that i guess.
that's not the same as mixing chemical isolates in big silos within specific temperature ranges and pressures. don't act like that's the same. candy, chocolate bars, bread, pasta, convenience food, cheese are chemically engineered. they would just be flour or sugar without the factory and they wouldn't exist without the isolates. the apple tree can exist without isolates and factories.
>but yeah meat is some of the worst things you could eat, laced with hormones and chemical preservatives of all sorts people don't care where i live. they just buy the candy and slowly disable themselves with them.
>Wish I had a price of land to grow my own food, my I could actually grow a lot on a small piece of land, to me growing a healthy non genetically modified wheat variety would be greatyeah i have those fantasies too, maybe one day i can make them reality.
No.230853
>>230849>Wish I had a price of land to grow my own foodthis dude in the mountains of vietnam
https://www.youtube.com/@PrimitiveSkillsnet/videosclick "oldest" so you can easily find his ~20th video that's when he has gotten a piece of land.
you can see him pile on just a small wall of mud as to create a basin for rice to grow in. he uses bamboo to create a pipe system that re-directs riverwater over his field and then later he pulls out a little piece of wood so it can drain. in later videos he keeps teraforming the mud to create a little pond for fish to grow, later he creates a big lake in the middle of his land and you can see him throw all kind of plantmatter into the lake and you can see the fish coming up to eat the plants. later he builds a little shed for ducks.
had no idea how much nice edible plants there are in vietnam. like wild ginger, wild chillies, wild fruit trees. where i live there aren't that many plants in the wild for humans to eat. people who settled where i live must have been retards.
No.230859
>>230852I was into vertical farms for a bit. I thought they were gonna buy up all the abandoned buildings in the cities nearby, give everyone jobs, and feed the world but that never happened. I heard that a lot of the people who invested in that technology ended up completely unable to produce most of the crops they were attempting to grow, and then the companies that sold the technology would blame the growers by claiming they didnt do one or two things perfectly the way they were supposed to basically avoiding liability.
Also, a big problem with fruits and vegetables as far as im aware isn't the gmos, but the fact that they have to haul bees across the country and dump them in areas where pesticides are used carelessly.
You know that an apple orchard in Oregon will need bees to fertilize their trees, so the company that grows those apple will ship in hundreds of thousands of bees. If the pecan farmer nearby is spraying his plants with insecticides and pesticides or harmful fertilizers, theres nothing that can be done to keep the bees on the apple orchard. Eventually they check out the neighboring pecan farm and get obliterated.
No.230860
>>230853Chili isn't native to Vietnam, so no such thing as "wild chili". It was brought from the Americas a few centuries ago.
No.230866
>>230860i assumed they were native just because they are wild. i guess someone imported them, planted them in the mountains and they have successfully adapted to the climate and are now able to reproduce themselves and spread a bit.
No.230867
>>230859i've seen videos of rice farmers sending armies of ducks on their fields to eat anything but the rice in japan, maybe they could find an animal that keeps the insects off the fruit trees like frogs or anteaters.
i have not looked into vertical farming yet but what i thought was interesting is the farmbot. similar to a 3d printer but it is just a little cnc grabbing-arm and watering system that automatically places seeds in a small area of soil, waters them just right and squishes weeds.
No.230871
>>230867The automation of agricultural processes lately has had such a tremendously positive effect on the world. Obvious reasons aside (food increasing while greenhouse gas emissions decreasing) if you've ever been in a plane and flown over Midwestern america, you would have seen these circular pattern in giant fields. This is the new norm, because farmers find that its cheaper to work less land thereby decreasing crop yield and just spinning a big arm around in a big circle that plants, fertilizer, waters, and harvests all your crops. The alternative is driving a tractor up and down your land back and forth.
The edges in the corner can be used for game hunting, shooting, and whatever the hell else the farmers want to do. A lot of people are letting the areas grow wild and some native species have recovered in rural areas that had been driven away by big ag.
Say what you will about automation, but i cant think of one time when growing food easier has ever had a negative consequence. Even AI can detect disease in plants quicker than farmers can 99% of the time or something ridiculous like that.
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>>230871i have not seen this before, this is fascinating. this seems like the logical next step from the little cnc frambot that can only reasonably service an aread the size of one or a few matresses.
hopefully this is (or soon will be) picked up by open source so that this tech isn't gatekept by the disgusting technocratic warlords. if only these circles could now be moved closer to the place where people actually eat the food and not be owned by some asshole who wants to be rich instead of feeding his fellow men…
if i could own a few smaller arms like that i would grow the bulk of my food myself except stuff like nori seaweed. i'd want an earthship to live in and a few of those circles around me for cucumber, bell pepper, grapes. banana i could grow in the earthship's greenhouse.
>Say what you will about automationi doubt many people object to automation, what people object to is the surveilance and central system of ownership through investors, stock markets, debt and other financial instruments. passive income requires the continued denial of the natural human desire to own the means of production. ownership to be outsourced to a minitory of authoritarian psychopaths isn't it.